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Title: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
I'm the only liberal in an all-conservative work center.

Help.

NOTE TO MY COWORKERS WHO HAVE TAKEN TO LURKING: You're all a bunch of gays, and you're all in third grade.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Royal☭ on April 28, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
You have an edge because you are a liberal who was also in the military.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 09:14:18 AM
Everyone else has been in the military.  I fail to see how this gives me a leg up.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Royal☭ on April 28, 2009, 09:17:04 AM
Nobody ever expects liberals to have served time.  So you have that whole "Willing to sacrifice for my country" angle that so many love to trot out.  Your best advice, though, is to try not to focus on politics.  At all.  You'll probably get along fine as long as you just kind of nod your head and don't say anything when the subject comes up.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 28, 2009, 09:20:31 AM
Don't enter a debate.  Just politely excuse yourself from any political conversation.

Even if someone is totally, one hundred percent entirely wrong about something, control your urge to confront them about it.  Let it slide.  You can not "fix" them.  No good will come from fighting about it.

If you're confronted, just let them know you're not interested in talking about it.  You may say you "agree to disagree" but I find that trite; I'd prefer to say that "we're not going to change each other's minds."

Wear your prinny hat frequently.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
So, here's my angle on it.

Everyone here seems to believe that Obama's doing a shit job, judging his entire administration to be a failure based on 100 days.

Never mind that a lot of this shit started before he was even a blip on the radar.

They DO have something of a point though.  Obama was pretty much under the radar until his campaign.

Anyway, since we've all served in the military, that puts us on level ground for that sort of thing.

Do I have a reason to curl up and eat crow from these people?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 28, 2009, 09:22:23 AM
You won't convince them that Obama's doing a good job.  Don't try.  You really have to let it go.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 28, 2009, 09:23:26 AM
Dohl... who cares?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 09:24:27 AM
Because I have to spend a significant portion of my day with these people, if only for the reason that I enjoy having a roof over my head and food to eat and video games to play.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 28, 2009, 09:27:10 AM
Also, there's the prospect of the worst-case scenario: If they're bad enough, a few of them have root issues with Obama have nothing to do with what he's done and everything to do with who and what he is.

That's not a fight you'll win. More importantly, that's not something you even want to discover a hint of.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 28, 2009, 09:29:41 AM
Mock them.

Openly.

:wat: They'll never know. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/colbert-study-conservativ_n_191899.html)
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Ted Belmont on April 28, 2009, 09:31:55 AM
Also, there's the prospect of the worst-case scenario: If they're bad enough, a few of them have root issues with Obama have nothing to do with what he's done and everything to do with who and what he is.

That's not a fight you'll win. More importantly, that's not something you even want to discover a hint of.

Like so. (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=9.msg4778#msg4778)
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 28, 2009, 09:33:53 AM
Agree with them on the whole, or at least pretend to, and disagree on whatever specific points you disagree with if you must.  Most people, no matter how they've been raised, will be willing to have a thoughtful discussion on individual points as long as they don't perceive you as being in an adversarial opposite-team position.

I'll let you guys come up with the obvious TF2 jokes here.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 09:42:20 AM
Hopefully, this will be a temporary countermeasure to dodge the goobers until looking at these forums falls out of vogue.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 28, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
Sorry, not agreeing with the 'pretending is fun' proposal.

In all of my conversations with The Lost, they are either ideologically opposed, or devoid of the facts. Not my facts, I mean facts in general. Basic, one liner facts that shutdown their entire point of view.

Example: Teabaggers. Protesting the already passed stimulus, and the inherent taxes within.
Fact: The stimulus provided 95% of American workers with tax cuts.

Cuts.

CUTS.

:huge: CUTS!

... Post some their views and arguments. I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 09:58:57 AM
I don't know, Arc.  These guys seem to be under the impression that all this is gearing toward socialism.  Taking money from the rich and redistributing the wealth.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 28, 2009, 10:03:19 AM
Arc is wrong.  Don't fight them.  Keep your damned head down if you want to be happy.  Secretly wear earplugs if you seriously can't help yourself from rageface.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 28, 2009, 10:05:24 AM
I don't know, Arc.  These guys seem to be under the impression that all this is gearing toward socialism.  Taking money from the rich and redistributing the wealth.

Oh, well then they are informed.

Just start secretly sketching baguettes and berets on napkins and doors.

Their paranoia will eat them alive within the week.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Transportation on April 28, 2009, 10:14:48 AM
You should debate them if keeping quiet is more frustrating than not. If they're as far gone as you say, this will be for personal enjoyment more than anything else. Any deconverted would be a fringe benefit; you'll get too frustrated if that's your goal.

For example, at one job I worked at a religious nursing home. I didn't really talk much as their conversations were more bewildering than frustrating.

Also, it struck me as tad too futile to try to reason with people who thought women can't wear pants because God told them to.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: yyler on April 28, 2009, 10:17:53 AM
Pretend you are too stupid for politics. Hell, pretend you're too stupid for most things. They'll think any work you do is amazing and might bake you things.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 28, 2009, 10:27:05 AM
Pretend you are too stupid for politics. Hell, pretend you're too stupid for most things. They'll think any work you do is amazing and might bake you things.

GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 28, 2009, 10:27:47 AM
See, Arc, but this problem you're having is exactly what I'm trying to get around.  By declaring yourself part of the Other Team from the outset at the start, they are now thinking the following:

1) If I agree with this person about anything, I am betraying My Team.
2) Any facts presented by this person are outright lies or facts twisted to represent his viewpoint.
3) This person is dangerous as long as he is allowed to express his opinion.

So when a self-avowed Liberal says "Hey guys, you're getting a tax cut," the Conservatives can only think, "No, that's bullshit, there must be a catch."  If you sidle up nicely to the guy and say, "Hey, I'm your friend, I'm on your side, I'm trying to help you, did you know..." I'm not saying they'll have an epiphany right then and there, but they'll adjust their world views slightly to account for a fact they'll now believe in rather than blusteringly ignore.  You can't pick up the Conservative train and turn it around 180 degrees on the spot, but you can change its course one turn at a time.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 28, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
Quote Boxing!

Arc... this problem you're having

Uh, I'm not the topic starter.


declaring yourself part of the Other Team from the outset

I haven't.

The general makeup of these conversations consist of a conservative randomly engaging me in assumed agreement, me stating a fact that is entirely opposite, and them dazing out into space for minutes on end.

Has happened no less than a hundred times. Numerous colleagues and strangers. Same result.

Facts have a liberal bias. Use'em.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 11:07:05 AM
Uh, I'm not the topic starter.
Yeah, I am.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 28, 2009, 11:10:20 AM
Arc:

They could just be shocked that you actually spoke.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 28, 2009, 11:12:54 AM
Suppose I'm just content with leaving these cretins in their horrible ways.

I've long accepted the fact that nothing I could ever do will change their minds.

...of America.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 28, 2009, 11:16:35 AM
I would never have survived my father if I'd spoken up even half the times I wanted to.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 28, 2009, 11:19:36 AM
Changing someone's mind and surviving their batshit are apples and oranges.

In many cases, total psychological warfare would require a time machine.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Catloaf on April 28, 2009, 11:26:04 AM
If the socialism shit comes up, just say that while it's pointed in that direction, it's not headed there, but back towards a point of balance that we lost.  And then bring up the ratio between the Obama's taxes and Reagan's.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 28, 2009, 11:28:59 AM
Or just ask what the hell their problem with Britain is.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 28, 2009, 12:20:12 PM
Or just remind them that we could end up like Sweden.

OH NO NOT one of the two countries actually thriving in the current economy NOT THAT.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: JDigital on April 28, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
Never mind day 100, almost all Obama-haters were in on that as soon as they heard he was running for President. It's the exact same pattern we see with Dungeons & Dragons fourth edition.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kayin on April 28, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
Okay, Dohl, I agree that crawling into a corner is hiding is a bad idea, but you can defend your self safely.

I generally try to discredit my adversary CAREFULLY and without them feeling attacked. The media is horridly unreliable, bias and can basically tell you what you wanna hear if you look hard enough. I generally use this fact my advantage bring it up carefully. If you can politely imply that someone -might- not have the right information, you can usually dodge out carefully without actually fighting.

Sadly thinking about it now, I can't really explain how someone else could use this and what tricks to use. All I know is it works for me pretty well.

Though if you feel like you have ground, don't be afraid to make a point. The socialism thing has always been an easy one for me. I just say that sounds find to me. If they get indignant, I point out how it only benefits me and likely them. From here it's either a fact related article of they're civil (rare), but more likely they get pissy about this and I defend their ego a bit. I am not a gambler, so socialism benefits me, but it's perfectly okay for them to want to be able to possibly one day super rich, even if it's unlikely.

Most people don't know a lot about socialism anyways so they'll usually give up as long as you don't make their beliefs feel invalid... and it's pointless to try and do so and it'll only make them want to become more embedded in their ideology.

Your mileage will probably vary.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Classic on April 28, 2009, 01:03:47 PM
Dude... How did you miss this?
:perfect:
BAKE THIS MAN A COOKIE.
:cake:
Gotta do the cookin' by the book.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Classic on April 28, 2009, 01:12:48 PM
Srsly, if you gotta do a thing... Arc's clarified suggestion is probably pretty close to a good idea. If you can maintain the illusion that Arc assumes and Brentai recommends.

If you really need to argue, find something that you and your target agree on. Spar a bit over it, and after a while keep asking questions until you twist out of them something you can agree on. If you point out that you're not actually disagreeing, just misunderstanding what the other is saying, it might be enough to make them open to what you have to say, or at least respect your opinion. Because even if they disagree with you, they will believe that the actual disagreements are minor. Or some such a thing.

That said, this doesn't really work unless you're arguing with somewhat reasonable peers.

EDIT:
That said, this doesn't really work unless you're arguing with somewhat reasonable peers.
DUH.
Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Bongo Bill on April 28, 2009, 01:28:17 PM
Suppose I'm just content with leaving these cretins in their horrible ways.

Try to avoid thinking of them as cretins and the rest should come naturally. You can't expect them to respect your opinions if you don't respect theirs. The key to the survival of an overwhelmed intellectual minority is civility, and the basis of civility is in honesty - honest, respectful disagreement.

It's possible that some among them won't be respectful about it. As long as it's not all of them, you'll probably find it more effective to take the high road - shame them into civility, as it were. If it is all of them, you might want to go over their heads.

If you want to avoid political conversation, tell them so. If they talk politics in earshot of you, ask them to keep it down, because if they keep it up you will be tempted to defend your position, which everybody will regret. You didn't come here for an argument, after all.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: BŁge on April 28, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
Changing someone's mind and surviving their batshit are apples and oranges.

In many cases, total psychological warfare would require a time machine.

Or a background check... Archibald.  :suave:
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Ocksi on April 28, 2009, 09:15:48 PM
They DO have something of a point though.  Obama was pretty much under the radar until his campaign.
Something I'm tired of?  People who act like The Great and Majestic Lord Barack Obama didn't exist before he ran for president.

2006:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20061023,00.html


(note the Palin-esque hair on his upper-lip.  No gussying this one up, no sir.)
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Royal☭ on April 28, 2009, 09:36:16 PM
These are things all men have an they couldn't bother to touch it up, how disrespectful.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Detonator on April 28, 2009, 09:51:29 PM
I say go the "angry anarchist" route.  When they complain about Obama, agree with them, then add how you can't trust the Republicans either because they got us into this mess.  If they try to defend them, act astonished and disappointed that they would trust any politician.  They can't paint you as an Obama lover because you agree with them on that point, but demand they see the bullshit from the other side, and if they don't, call them brainwashed pansies who blindly follow whoever tells them what they want to hear.  If you attempt to "enlighten" them every time politics comes up around you, they should quickly stop.

note: this has not been tested
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 28, 2009, 09:56:24 PM
Hand out books by L. Ron Hubbard.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Niku on April 28, 2009, 10:40:32 PM
BUY A PIZZA
 :cake:
PAY WITH SNAKES
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Friday on April 28, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
KILL YOUR WIFE
:justasplanned:
GO TO SILENT HILL
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 28, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
HEY GUYS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Brentai/advice.jpg)
WHATCHA DOIN?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Norondor on April 29, 2009, 01:45:58 AM
I say do what Hraedon did: be so well read and make it so clear that you're the smartest person not only in the room but in the entire building that the next time someone DOES bring up their flawed political views, you spend the next hour relentlessly but dispassionately pulling them apart at the seams. Don't leave any room to weasel out; if they back down to a less-idiotic viewpoint, take the opportunity to, in essence, tree them, like a hunting dog. Allow them no refuge, don't let them say "well, it's just my OPINION" or similar stupid attempts to deflect reality's cruel barbs.

Crush them completely, and the best case scenario is that they'll begin to change their minds, and the worst case is they'll never want to talk about politics around you anymore.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Fredward on April 29, 2009, 06:57:14 AM
this thread's subtitle ought to be "or: How to Lose Friends and Alienate People"
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Norondor on April 29, 2009, 07:00:10 AM
Not all friends are worth having.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Fredward on April 29, 2009, 08:11:06 AM
okay
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family or co-workers.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 29, 2009, 09:51:03 AM
The trouble is that if McDohl's performance is less than perfect, it turns into a shouting match and he gets canned.

And even if everything goes swimmingly, everybody in the office will hate his ass for life.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2009, 10:07:17 AM
Hand out books by L. Ron Hubbard.

For bonus points, do the above, but using only non-scientology books.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 29, 2009, 10:07:56 AM
At this point, I give the hell up.

Not only am I being ridiculed for political choices, but now I'm being ridiculed for the things I say on here because my coworkers are looking at these forums.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Classic on April 29, 2009, 10:09:17 AM
In defense of your idiot coworkers, you do say some pretty hilarious things on here.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
Why on earth would you even show them this dirty liberal forum?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: MadMAxJr on April 29, 2009, 10:16:57 AM
File an HR report about harassment if it ever goes beyond simple discussion.  Nobody should be humiliated at their place of work.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2009, 10:18:46 AM
Unless it turns out he's not supposed to be surfing the internet at work in the first place.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 29, 2009, 10:20:02 AM
my coworkers are looking at these forums.

Then... why'd you ask us for help?  Do you want to be bullied?

ugh.

Why doesn't anyone believe that being non-confrontational is the best fucking option?

Why ya'll gotta correct the world?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Doom on April 29, 2009, 10:27:40 AM
Because if it were easy to get along with other people, actual saints and gurus wouldn't be all that impressive?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 10:29:18 AM
Jesus, Dohl.  I wouldn't even show these forums to my coworkers when I worked at a video game company.

...okay that was probably in part because I was breaking nondisclosure all over the place, but mostly I just didn't want people to know what the hell I'm doing in my downtime.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 29, 2009, 10:50:33 AM
my coworkers are looking at these forums.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/100/Enters-1.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/100/Capitol-Pages-SOTU.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/100/CICBall-3.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/100/SalutesMarine.jpg)

Feels good, man. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/29/725817/-100)

But yeah, it's mighty morphin' human resources time.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2009, 11:21:50 AM
Feels good, man. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/29/725817/-100)

 (http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/Bon_Bon_2009/scruffy-1.jpg) No other way of putting it.  :itsmagic:
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 11:39:08 AM
Holy shit he's bringing back the rail system?  I completely missed that.

TOOT TOOT
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Bongo Bill on April 29, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
Ugh. Yes, by all means, the only way to deal with the stinking conservative untermenschen is to mock them into enlightenment, which is easy to do because their primitive hindbrains instinctively respond to images of Democratic presidents with fits of uncontrollable rage.

Arc, I expected better from you.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: James Edward Smith on April 29, 2009, 01:09:04 PM
In my mind people are allowed to believe whatever they want to and support whatever politician they want to by extention of this.

If people ever ask me what my opinion is, I will tell them what it is in as frank and yet unbeligerent and respectful a manner as possible. Also, if something comes up that makes me want to express my opinion, I will do so, in a respectful and decent manner. I expect my opinion to be respected and so I respect the opinions of others. Anyone who doesn't respect my opinion for what it is, can go get fucked and they can tell me to go get fucked if I do the same to them.

So basically, what is your fucking problem about working with a bunch of conservatives? Do they not pay you unless you vote republican? Are your beliefs so weak and unsubstantiated that having other people around you who don't believe the same thing shakes their foundations and discomforts you? Are you that incapable of social discourse that not sharing a poticial mindset with your peers makes forming an enjoyable relationship with them impossible?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Norondor on April 29, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
YOU'RE CANADIAN
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: MadMAxJr on April 29, 2009, 01:27:38 PM
People can believe whatever they want.  But we have laws that keep people from bashing others in the workplace about it.  Take notes of who, what, and when you were offended on the job.  Take to HR.

And with that the microwave bell indicating I am getting to vested in a serious discussion has gone off.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Classic on April 29, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
Too bad HR has good odds of thinking his namby-pamby god-hating liberal self is just exaggerating. But seriously, if they're really being that childish, be childish right back and tell teacher.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Transportation on April 29, 2009, 01:48:11 PM
At this point, I give the hell up.

Yeah, see, that was the problem. You went in expecting to win. This sort of thing takes years of ideological osmosis for it to work. Most national political shifts come from the mindless middle's gut reaction of "vote for other guy when things are shit", not some clever argument.

Are your beliefs so weak and unsubstantiated that having other people around you who don't believe the same thing shakes their foundations and discomforts you?

I cannot for the life of me think of a scenario where that has ever happened. And I don't mean personally, either. Usually it's just people thinking their ideas are correct and the opponent's are dangerous and horribly misguided, at best. The latter is rather easily demonstrable for the Republican Party. So, not seeing the problem with being hostile to it.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2009, 01:55:17 PM
Yeah, I dunno about you guys, but on the LOL SRS SIDE I'm pretty much with the other Canadian.

Always kills me how polarized thiings are down there. Geez.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 01:59:18 PM
Political discrimination is a real thing down here.

It's not covered by the Bill of Rights.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: patito on April 29, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
We could always ask Arc to ban the ips of Dohl's workplace, thereby solving all of his problems.

Also, teaching him not to surf the internet at work.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
If he hasn't learned that lesson by now...
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 29, 2009, 02:11:48 PM
We could always ask Arc to ban the ips of Dohl's workplace, thereby solving all of his problems.

...you know, that might be feasable, at least until this bullshit blows over.

I'm also printing that Daily Kos article and sticking it up on the wall.

EDIT: It DID actually warm my heart today to see one of them have Bandit Keith plastered all over their desktop background.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Catloaf on April 29, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
Always kills me how polarized thiings are down there. Geez.

What do you expect from a two-party system.  Being in the middle on one thing means you have to give away another thing that's important to you.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 29, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
So, Dohl, did you actually want help, or did you want our help pouring gas on the fire?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: patito on April 29, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
EDIT: It DID actually warm my heart today to see one of them have Bandit Keith plastered all over their desktop background.

No see, this is good, now you know you have something in common, and maybe that's a starting point so you guys can start getting along.

I really fail to see why it is so important whether someone is a liberal or a conservative or whatever other titles people will come up with later.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Norondor on April 29, 2009, 02:45:23 PM
weeeeeeell one side just spent the last 10 years haphazardly dismantling everything worthwhile that our nation stands for so they would no longer need to be the slightest bit apprehensive about publicly baring their naked greed and hatred
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: James Edward Smith on April 29, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
Leave it to Department of Transportation to actually ANSWER a clearly rhetorical question that was clearly directed at the thread starter in the first place...

My point was just that if McDohl is seriously having a problem here, then it's because his self-esteem is too low to work with a bunch of people who don't see exactly eye-to-eye with him and don't automatically like him without him doing anything to warrent them doing so. I mean, I love working with people who have similar interests and beliefs as much as the next person, but I think that once you are out of your teens, you need to be able to meet people and form healthy relationships with them without "bullying" resulting. Like, I don't know enough about the situation to make any call on anything, but someone at Dohl's work needs to grow up is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: TA on April 29, 2009, 03:23:27 PM
Or because
Not only am I being ridiculed for political choices, but now I'm being ridiculed for the things I say on here because my coworkers are looking at these forums.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on April 29, 2009, 03:24:24 PM
Geo, that someone could very well be me.

I really am a marshmallow, and I let shit get under my skin way too easily.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
EDIT: It DID actually warm my heart today to see one of them have Bandit Keith plastered all over their desktop background... in America!

weeeeeeell one side just spent the last 10 years haphazardly dismantling everything worthwhile that our nation stands for so they would no longer need to be the slightest bit apprehensive about publicly baring their naked greed and hatred

Nor, did the Reds personally do something to you, or do you just feel it that necessary to get worked up about shit that they're already paying for with pretty much the entire structure of their organization?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 29, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
... mock them into enlightenment, which is easy to do because their primitive hindbrains instinctively respond to images of Democratic presidents with fits of uncontrollable rage.

A fine result to inflict on those who ridicule. If my posting of images and listings of political success actually disappointed you, then you would have loved my original plan of posting donkeys deep dicking elephants, cum and anal fluids MSPaint'd in.


Anyone who doesn't respect my opinion for what it is, can go get fucked and they can tell me to go get fucked if I do the same to them.

Dohl is seeking advice beyond telling the entirety of his fellow workforce to get fucked.


Always kills me how polarized thiings are down there. Geez.

After witnessing the culture wars of the late 20th century boil over into rewarding the world at large with death and decay, partisanship has proven to be a fine elixir these past two years.


We could always ask Arc to ban the ips of Dohl's workplace

Yes, a hostname or even IP would be grand.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: TA on April 29, 2009, 04:10:10 PM
Is it possible to ban an IP range unless they've got a cookie for a specific account, so Dohl can keep at it?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Transportation on April 29, 2009, 05:30:11 PM
Leave it to Department of Transportation to actually ANSWER a clearly rhetorical question that was clearly directed at the thread starter in the first place...
They didn't really strike me as rhetorical as a few of them were plausible motives that also had an unknown answer, i.e. the opposite of a rhetorical question. Turns out your crazy theory was right anyway. Making my point moot.

Always kills me how polarized thiings are down there. Geez.

What do you expect from a two-party system.  Being in the middle on one thing means you have to give away another thing that's important to you.

That's more a consequence of the First Past the Post system than a unique thing to the U.S. It's not like people expect the New Democrats or Liberal Democrats to actually win. Even the proportional representation of the German system is dominated by two opposing left and right blocs; although the smaller parties are listened to more often due to crazy coalitions.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2009, 07:29:53 PM
I don't know, I wouldn't say we're nearly as polarized here. In fact, I don't have the article handy (I posted it here long ago), but Canada actually has the lowest level of party loyalty of any western democracy.

I like that JUST FINE.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Thad on April 29, 2009, 08:18:08 PM
...haven't read much past page 1, but I find that the "All politicians are crooks" angle is a good way of finding middle ground.

Also, the crazier a thing someone says, the worse an idea it is to try and argue with it.  Reasonable people can discuss differing points of view; people who believe Clinton was responsible for a series of secret murders cannot be reasoned with.

In case of emergency, find a way to change the subject to boobs.

(I am assuming your place of business is as big a sausagefest as mine.)
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Bongo Bill on April 29, 2009, 08:48:57 PM
All's I'm saying, Arc, is that if conservatives you know are angered by mere images of Obama, then you need to find some better conservatives.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 09:04:12 PM
This is most likely true.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Arc on April 29, 2009, 09:12:52 PM
We get to choose our conservatives now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-hac0YaEFk

Dibs!
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Thad on April 29, 2009, 09:14:51 PM
...I was going to change the subject to boobs but then Arc beat me to it.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Friday on April 29, 2009, 09:18:08 PM
Putting all her other bullshit aside, the "I have Christian morals which obviously falls more into a republican category" comment bugs the fucking shit out of me.

Not because she said it. I don't care about one person. The problem is I see that shit from reds all the time. It's like liberals lack morals. Or Christian morals, anyway. They are literally painting liberals as "not moral" which is the start of a really fun road that leads to thinking those who are not like you are evil.

(We'll ignore the fact that there are like 2 hundred trillion liberal Christians and just focus on the "painting the other side as lacking morals/evil aspect)
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Classic on April 29, 2009, 09:20:53 PM
But those aren't real Christians.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Friday on April 29, 2009, 09:43:48 PM
Fuck, nevermind. After re-watching her video, I realize she's right about everything and I was wrong about everything.

I mean, there's loans.

Shit, I'm taking out some loans, you know
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kashan on April 29, 2009, 09:47:36 PM
Eh, I hear the same thing from the left all the time, usually about how if conservatives really cared about Christian values they'd be focusing on ending the war and feeding the hungry.

Anyone remember or have a link to that video about the psychological that linked respect for authority and purity with conservativism and empathy and  willingness to try new things with liberalism?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Brentai on April 29, 2009, 09:50:29 PM
There are two sides to everything, including good and evil.  That's why you have those little dots in the tajitu.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Romosome on April 29, 2009, 09:52:51 PM
brentai just say ying-yang like a real american, we don't have time for using google and learning something your chinese muslim gibberish
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Kazz on April 29, 2009, 09:54:37 PM
it's yin-yang
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: patito on April 29, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
We could have 3 sides to everything or more if we go with the D&D alignment system.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Bongo Bill on April 29, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
In fairness, liberalism and secularism are (incorrectly) associated in the broad delineation of political domains, just as social conservatism is often argued for using Christian rhetoric.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Classic on April 29, 2009, 10:35:08 PM
I wonder if any of your coworkers want to sign up.
...
We have little icons... they're cool. I guess?
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: McDohl on September 20, 2013, 02:13:10 AM
Quote from: TirMcDohl;1629544
Coworkers: (political blah blah, conservative talking points)

Me: (ignore)

Coworker: you voted for Obama didn't you?

Me: no comment

Coworker: (guns guns guns sandy hook conspiracy Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi)

I hate being alienated at work.

I couldn't help but think of this thread during the conversation.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Zaratustra on September 20, 2013, 02:25:26 AM
every day in facebook is some ex-co-worker posting I SUCCEEDED CAUSE I WORKED HARD Y'ALL ARE JUST HATERS and it's all I can do to prevent myself from ripping the screen off its moorings and through the room.

NO YOU SUCCEEDED BECAUSE YOU WERE WHITE, MALE, OF ABOVE-AVERAGE IQ AND HAD A HIGHER GRADE EDUCATION. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE IT'S WHAT -I- DID AND THAT'S WHAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH US DID.
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Friday on September 20, 2013, 05:01:25 AM
god i hate yuppies

I might actually hate them even more than college students, except that there are college student yuppies
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Niku on September 20, 2013, 05:30:25 AM
perhaps the only thing that has ever been improved by adding p to it
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Zaratustra on September 20, 2013, 06:26:44 AM
puppies are certainly full of P
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mothra on September 20, 2013, 07:30:18 AM
Capital-P Gey
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Friday on September 21, 2013, 08:06:32 AM
If I could only take one word into the cold dark void it would be Bakugan
Title: Re: Liberal's Survival Guide to Conservative Coworkers
Post by: Mothra on September 21, 2013, 10:05:59 AM
Friday you should get a load of these hot and heavy Bakutweets me, Two Dinners and Smiler are lighting up across the webisphere.

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