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Title: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on November 27, 2009, 06:57:43 PM
I MAKE SOME STUFF. PUT LITTLE PLASTIC GUYS AROUND. PEW PEW PEW. WELL MORE LIKE CLANG BLANGG.

Apologies for the totally shit nature of the pictures. My camera is 7 years old and is complete garbage for taking macro shots. Or any other kind of picture for that matter.

First, we have a haystack (actually, I made this most recently). A painted dome of spackle, suitably dressed with hay (cheap gesso brush bristles, mildly trimmed to fit). Simple stuff.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/01_Haystack.jpg)

A little cart, filled with chopped trees. Hey, let's actually add a quarter so people have some idea of scale - now there's a wild idea! Pretty much just wood and glue, with a little cheap acrylic used for weatherstaining.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/02_Wood_wagon.jpg)

How aboutsome friggin' buildings, dammit? Here, have a farmer's thatched cot.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/03_Cottage_1.jpg)

This fancier cot has a gabled door and a stone foundation. Stone texture obtained from a railroad hobby store and worth EVERY DAMNED PENNY IT'S AWESOME. Also, note the chicken coop. Bawk-bawk-bukakke!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/04_Cottage_2.jpg)

Shit, you think they got indoor plumbing in those cottages?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/05_Outhouse.jpg)

I stuck all the crap so far on a table and called it a village. YEAH.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/06_Village_1.jpg)

Lumber is handcut, from coffee stirsticks and the occasional traditional popsicle stick. Interior framework is foamcore quickly painted black, with recesses to make doors/windows look better. Thatch is scouring pad carefully wash-dyed several times (that shit takes forever to dry out). Bases are masonite covered with spackling, then painted.

Yes, I will eventually add a little grass flock and shrubbery here and there.
Title: Re: There does not appear to be a thread about wargame terrain
Post by: SCD on November 27, 2009, 08:30:04 PM
I like.  That's pretty nifty detail. 

I would go as far to call it art for the tourists.  Might even fetch a cool dime on the Kingston, or Ottawa's open markets.
Title: Re: There does not appear to be a thread about wargame terrain
Post by: Royal☭ on November 27, 2009, 09:18:50 PM
That's pretty cool.  You should consider some How-To tutorials.  I don't play much wargame stuff, but I've always found the creation of the terrain fun.  Also I have a secret love for miniature villages.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on December 11, 2009, 08:35:42 PM
I got a band of 25mm Amish guys to help me raise a barn.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/07_Barn_1.jpg)

This time I got all SOOPER-fancy, so that units can fight inside!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/07_Barn_1b.jpg)

There's a tiny hay trough, pitchfork and rope coil inside the barn as ornaments (that pitchfork was a fuckin' bitch to make, but so satisfying to pull off). And yes, those hinges are fully functional. The hinges were a bitch too - all those little nails had to be pressed in by hand, after drilling all the nail holes (to prevent the wood from splitting), then when that didn't hold strong enough, I had to take everything off and epoxy it all.

The backdoor is stuck in that half-open position though [/innuendo].
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on January 15, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
Time for an update I suppose?

Some fences and fields I made to vary the terrain for game purposes (building are nice, but they're effectively big bricks unless you makes them interactive or whatever), so here are some fences (low walls) and farmer's fields (hindering terrain).

The fields were a colossal bitch. I essentially took corrugated cardboard and did wash after wash of watered-down plaster/spackle, 'imbuing' it with plaster until it was stiff and strong enough to stand up to heavy use. The cardboard kept warping and faling apart. I had to carefully balance my attempts to refine previous coats with the spackle's tendency to warp the piece. FUN!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/08_Fences_n_Fields.jpg)

Next was a pair of watchtowers. They're dead sexy, but oh god, I'm not making anything of such loose construction again (these finished forms are as about as strong as could be reasonably expected).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/09_Watchtowers.jpg)

Finally, here's particularly awesome idea Starr had: an Asterix-style round "gaulish" hut. This one happens to be the home of a beekeeper. The round brick base is actually lots of very carefully joined short segments of the flat stone texture sheets I have (turned out really nice).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/10_Round_cottage.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Shinra on January 15, 2010, 07:53:35 PM
Ah, the classic "Achieve victory points by seizing the most beekeeper huts" scenario. One we've all played many times before.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Doom on January 15, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
Stand strong, Brothers! The Apostles of Nurgle will crest the hill in mere moments, and we know that they hunger for new strains of insect to deliver vile plagues from! May the Emperor guide our blows!
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Shinra on January 15, 2010, 08:05:33 PM
Slaanesh needs honey.

I don't think we need to discuss why.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on January 15, 2010, 08:07:13 PM
DELISHUS HUNNY
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Lottel on January 15, 2010, 10:59:22 PM
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
D:
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: MadMAxJr on January 16, 2010, 08:30:24 AM
These sure are better than fighting in the fields of broken styrofoam objects and coke cans.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on January 16, 2010, 09:33:32 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/buge/bee_marines901.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on January 16, 2010, 04:02:30 PM
That's AWESOME.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: MadMAxJr on January 16, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
I was talking with a friend and he says the paint scheme is a good analogy.  He says they're spot on for Japanese hornets, which are capable of fighting entire beehives, decapitating most of them.

Not so sure about the part where they eat the young.  I don't think space marines do that.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on March 12, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
It's the return of my terrible camera!

First, a Granary/Warehouse/Depot thing. The ceiling of the lower floor is high enough for taller units or cavalry. It has no moveable parts, but it looks nice anyway.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/11_Granary.jpg)

Here are some details, a better look at the under area (a semi-enclosed area theoretically for large dry cargo that can be used as a defensive breastworks), a demonstration of modelling OCD at work (the floor portals showing a theoretical hatchway and cargo-lowering area), and a better look at the upper loft doors and block and tackle.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/11_Granary_b.jpg)

What fantasy town is complete without a scaffold? HANG 'EM HIGH!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/12_Scaffold.jpg)

Finally, the smith's which only took about a hundred thousand years to complete. Here's an overview of the forge and workshop (the workshop has a removable roof). 

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/13_Smithy_1.jpg)

And some details of the forge.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/13_Smithy_1b.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on March 13, 2010, 04:20:36 AM
I'm telling you, you need to make a chicken leg hut! Where else is Baba Yaga gonna sleep?
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: MadMAxJr on March 13, 2010, 09:44:58 AM
The detail and weathering on these items are pretty fucking fantastic quality.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on March 13, 2010, 10:30:33 AM
I just love the coal bunker.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Lottel on March 13, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
Gah. I always love wargame terrain. I've always wanted to make some but since I don't play any games, it'd be rather silly. And starting to play an incredibly expensive wargame with no one around me that plays just so I can make little models of huts once a month is a bad idea as well.

But I still love looking at it. And Mongrel does some of the best work I've seen.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on March 13, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
Same goes with me. I'm really the only person who'd ever see my lovingly crafted terrain pieces so I don't bother Wait, that's terrible. Actually, I think it comes down to not having enough space or time to work on them. That and I have a backlog of minis I'd feel guilty of neglecting.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on April 16, 2010, 05:29:34 PM
Just a pair of shacks I made a couple weeks ago.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/14_Shacks_1.jpg)

I'd rather make more substantial updates, but I had to bust out the camera for something else anyway, so what the hell.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on April 16, 2010, 06:03:02 PM
When are you gonna make a church or fountain or something with that Dreamblade statue mini?
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on April 16, 2010, 06:29:47 PM
That's on the horizon, but I need a few bits first. It'll be an open-air roman-type shrine. The next building I'm making is a small country inn, I think.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on August 03, 2010, 06:20:16 PM
This is the most awesomely creepy-as-fuck set of game boards I've ever seen. (http://www.3t-studios.com/?p=776)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on August 27, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
Hey remember this thread?

Hate to get your hopes up regarding the inn, but work on that just went reeealll slow, due to work contantly interrupting things and my being tired all the time. I am mostly finished (about 80% there structurally - still need to put the roof on - and most of the detailing remains, but that's it). Anyway, for good or for ill, I have more time on my hands for the next little while and will be able to do more work. Pics of the inn will be posted eventually.

I'm posting NOW because I actually got so sick of working on the same building for so long that I actually stopped, changed gears, and built an entirely separate building in a saturday, plus some extra time over the past two weeks. This one's another country cottage, but it's much more weathered and tumbledown than my previous ones. I also made a well (there's gloss medium in the bottom for water, but obviously you can't see it in this shot).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/15_Cottage_3__Well.jpg)

The inn is a big learning experience for city buildings (of which I plan to make more). For the cottage, I finally broke down and started using vegetation, so that was my learning experience for this building.

One of the neater things I did as an experiment was to carefully glue in bristles in the 'thin' areas of the roof thatch to show how 'frayed' the roof was (if you look at real pictures of thatched roofs in really rough shape, they look like they're 'leaking' what looks like fresh hay (which is just the clean under-thatch coming out). It's hard to see in these crappy pics, but maybe you can catch it a bit.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on September 22, 2010, 03:40:30 PM
Quick question/favour/gag opportunity: It's time to play "Name that inn!"

Looking for inn names for my silly little stick buildings (need one now and at least one more for later). There are a few requirements:

- Generic. The name must work in a variety of towns, including vampire/undead dudes, Empire-type guys, Rebel Empire-type guys, and even some elf towns.
- Traditional. The name should have a traditional english-pub style name (so, like 'the [noun] & [noun]' or 'the [colourful adjective/adverb] [noun]').
- Comedic. Funny, but not stupidly so. A subtle joke or double entendre would be best.
- Simple. I need to paint little icons on the sign, in addition to the words, so any symbolism should be simple. This last one isn't as important as the others, it's just something to keep in mind.

So far, one idea I had was "The Crown & [comedy option yet to be determined]" ('crown' is good because lots of factions have crowns associated them for some reason or other, and _____ & _____ is a very classic naming convention).

I've been thinking about this too much to come up with good ideas. Figured I could fish here. Worst case, nobody replies and I'm no worse off.

Ideas?
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Stush on September 22, 2010, 08:28:32 PM
Holy boogers, Mongrel, that stuff is amazing! Miniature stuff is always so awesome, especially when it's detailed like that.

I remember once my mum took me shopping in town, and she said I could have anything I wanted for like, ten bucks, I chose a bag of railway scenery stuff, like tiny little barrels and trees and poles and stuff. :D So good.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: the asshole you hate on September 22, 2010, 08:30:09 PM
The owner of Hound's End hung a stuffed dog's butt over the front door of his tavern.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Classic on September 22, 2010, 09:44:13 PM
Pubs got their names because people can't read. If you decide to make a super-fancy rich-looking pub, make sure it has a really pretentious name/sign, like the, "Blue Swan," or "Three Blue Flagons"

Also good names, "Long Table" featuring a big, long table on the streetside of the building.

"Magic Glass" just featuring a wine glass with the word "welcome" written around it like a laurel crown.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: the asshole you hate on September 22, 2010, 09:57:55 PM
Way to say exactly what I said but with more words.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Lottel on September 22, 2010, 11:20:33 PM
He- you- they are nothi-


Almost got me. Shame on you. :wagglesfinger:
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Classic on September 23, 2010, 09:57:19 AM
A crown and some gems could be the "Royal Jewels" pub!

But it can't just be a spiked circlet kind of crown, it has to be one of those ridiculous queen-of-england style crowns.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: James Edward Smith on September 23, 2010, 12:45:40 PM
"The Royal Fowl"

With a picture of a duck or some other water fowl wearing crown and cursing. "@$*&#!"
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on September 23, 2010, 05:48:53 PM
"The Royal Fowl"

With a picture of a duck or some other water fowl wearing crown and cursing. "@$*&#!"


I actually think this idea is kinda funny, but I don't think it's possible to do at the scale I'm working in. It just won't be visible.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on September 26, 2010, 04:05:53 PM
Well, I'm almost there. I figured out that I want a name that has either 'boar' or 'stag' in it. I'm hoping for a good pun/double entendre. But I just can't think of one that makes a good relevant joke AND a good inn name.

EDIT: Finally figured it out: "The Lively Boar".
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on October 06, 2010, 08:41:35 AM
Finally we have progress.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/16_House_1.jpg)

Unlike the earlier shacks and cottages, here's a "proper" house. This was made with scrap material from the Inn (below), so I could alternate between projects.

And of course, the stupid thing itself. After damn near six months (off and on... it's not like I worked for six months straight), The Lively Boar

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/17_Inn_1.jpg)

Details (the roof over the stable/garage is removable).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/17_Inn_1b.jpg)

Oh lord, I pray my next city-type buildings will be a little quicker.

EDIT: And now, let's all go to the pub.

Motörhead - Lemmy Goes to the Pub (Alternative Version of Heart of Stone) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwHXelfFCo#)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Stush on October 10, 2010, 04:47:37 PM
Man, mongrel, you're a pretty damn good builder/artist hero!
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on October 20, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
Onward and upward. Something different with an oddball shrine to an Ourobouros-type diety.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/18_Shrine_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on October 20, 2010, 11:47:22 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/18_Shrine_1.jpg)

Why does that look so familiar....

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2qi3gxj.jpg)

 :oic:
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: McDohl on October 21, 2010, 04:13:10 AM
50 quatloos on the newcomer.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on November 14, 2010, 03:23:07 PM
So a while back I started making some smaller stuff to contrast the larger items I made. I started with a large chicken coop:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/19_Coop.jpg)

We are now entering extreme OCD territory. I decided to make some supply piles, because they serve so many useful purposes:

- They can act as terrain in and of themselves
- They can break up a larger terrain piece (like a barn or workshop) to make it feel different and new
- They can serve as terrain objectives
- They can serve as movable objectives

The "generic" piles were mixed with some more specific piles, so that you could mix and match quantities for whatever you need in a given game.

The awfulness of my camera was more frustrating here than usual, due to the massive loss of detail. Anyway, never mind. Here are the pics I do have:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/20_Supplies_1.jpg)

Things got pretty silly as I made these. I wound up carving and sculpting loads of tiny fiddly things by hand, and even going so far as to make a telescope (and other technical gear like the surveyor's theodolite) from tiny bits and cylinders of real brass (they sell these grab bags of the stuff at some model stores) and a tiny roll of leather (with a drop of clear gel medium as a lens).

If anyone wants to know how I made any particular item, I can certainly explain.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Stush on November 14, 2010, 03:34:37 PM
Darn it, Mongrel, this stuff is freaking amazing. :D
Tiny versions of big things are the best.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on November 14, 2010, 03:51:58 PM
We kept making "Stop, or you'll go blind!" jokes.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on November 14, 2010, 05:28:36 PM
Whoa, you could totally make some dungeon bitz for HeroQuest, like a bookshelf or an alchemist's desk.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Classic on November 14, 2010, 08:10:29 PM
What Buge said, only with wagons. The wheels don't need to move, but it would be nice if the sheer mass of your objective piles didn't look like it needed a half dozen men to move.

Other "fun" projects, large carved stones/obelisks, rough natural terrain (e.g. brambles or swamp), and garbage. Garbage is a simple bit of dressing that can add a lot of personality to different terrain pieces.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on November 14, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
I do have one wagon I made earlier (just a woodcart).

I may make some other wagons/carts/carriages later, as they certainly makes decent terrain and can also be used as mobile objectives or whatever. 

For now, I'm in that "Terror of Freedom" mode where I can pick any one of the several projects I'd like to do next. I'm thinking I may finish the grasslands I started (long paused while I built up a collection of gravel & rock for details), or maybe finish the larger farm field I was going to make (I made some small farm fields earlier, but they were a huge pain due to my poor choice of base material - now that I have better base material, it should be okay). Or I could base all the trees I have (that one's pretty important). Then there's a return to city buildings, field tents, a small sawmill I got the idea for...

:wakka:
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on December 15, 2010, 02:19:56 PM
Sorry, no update right now (cocktease...), but I'm thinking of doing something for a competition elsewhere.

The theme is "Secret Hideout/Hidden Base" I'd like to do a generic sort of "Hideout in the woods" for an ambush, the kind of place guerrillas might work from. The faction is generic no-good, dirty-hippie fantasy forest elves, with the usual Sherwood Forest boring tactics.

Since the game background is all pretty boring and clichéd, I'd prefer to make the terrain piece itself more interesting - and logical (hence my invoking modern guerrillas) instead of the usual "Treehouse hideouts", but I'm really not sure what might work out for a "secret forest base" beyond tired re-treads.

Been reading Guerrilla war histories for hours without gaining much (other than a better understanding of why WWI wargame nerds love Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck so much), so I figured I'd just throw out the question here.

Could be a small thing, like little ambush slots, or a series of caches (though the latter there seems pretty lame), to an actual full hidden forest base (though I don't think I want to tackle anything too huge... too many other projects on the go. Definitely nothing with a big water component). I was thinking of making a collection of little ambush cover bits, such as might be used for an IMMEDIATE ambush (a collection of things like a camouflaged tarp on the forest floor, a tree with room to hide inside, etc.), but I think I'm leaning more towards a single terrain object.

Ideas? Suggestions for inspiration?
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: François on December 15, 2010, 03:25:02 PM
First image that comes in mind is a bunch of elves hidden in abandoned, semi-decrepit giant spider nests, suspended above the forest floor. Maybe they're wearing rough silk as camouflage themselves. Like to anyone going under it'd look something like, "giant spiders used to live here", instead of "warning: a squad of pointy-eared jerks is above you right now". Kind of like this (http://zedpower.dreamhosters.com/images/misc/spidernest.jpg) but bigger, and entirely (or almost entirely) in the branches of a single large (dead?) tree.

Or a beaver hut next to a small dried-up reservoir maybe. Or large bird nests if plus-size avians are de rigueur in the area. Simulated or repurposed lairs, in general terms. I think guerilla elves would use existing forest features before making their own, so I'd look at the animal kingdom for inspiration first, according to climate and such.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Lottel on December 15, 2010, 04:02:10 PM
First thing that pops to my mind is Knothole Village from the original sonic comics.
Hollow tree stumps filled with weapons.

But yeah, I think the key here is trying to make a forest, then figuring out where people would hide to ambush, then construct camouflaged places for them to wait.


No real helpful advice, sadly.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on December 15, 2010, 04:42:05 PM
(http://www.1000steine.com/brickset/images/6066-1.jpg)

This was the first thing that came to mind. If it were me, I'd use this particular set for inspiration for an ambush-hideout type place, only it would be more like a hillock up against a big ol' dead tree, rather than a chunk of castle that just happens to look like a hill. But you could do that too. Are there rules against using repurposed ruins?
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on December 15, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
Well, I technically have a "forest" but it consists of half-finished independently-standing trees and patches of scrub that I can place willy-nilly (which is intentional).
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on December 20, 2010, 03:21:10 PM
Okay, I'm sorry, but I just love this one:

(http://coolminiornot.com/pics/pics14/img4d0263dc8cfa7.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Büge on December 20, 2010, 07:45:29 PM
Looks like someone wants to be an Angry Marine. (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Angry_Marines)

(http://thefutilityoflife.com/attachments/Image/Angry_Marines.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on December 20, 2010, 08:18:39 PM
That banner is insane.
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on April 20, 2011, 02:39:15 PM
Hey, remember this thread?

I think this one will actually be converted to a game-functional unit.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Treb_Final_1.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Treb_Final_2.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Treb_Final_3.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Treb_Final_4.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Treb_Final_5.jpg)

Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on April 20, 2011, 02:41:53 PM
More

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/21_Sawmill_1.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/21_Sawmill_1b.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/21_Sawmill_1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on April 20, 2011, 02:42:37 PM
T-T-T-T-T-TRIPLE POST

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/22_Workshop_1.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/22_Workshop_1b.jpg)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: François on April 20, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
I don't even know how to begin
To praise all this craft so amazing
It's just too great for mere prose
So as far as compliment goes
Nothing will do but the rhyming
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Mongrel on April 20, 2011, 09:09:47 PM
Rhyming praise?!

We're not worthy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh78T--ZUxY#)
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: François on April 20, 2011, 09:35:26 PM
Humility suits many but on others won't fit
If your skill was a rocket it would certainly crit
From now on thanks to I
You can boast without lie
That the French wrote poems about it
Title: Re: Wargame Terrain
Post by: Stush on April 21, 2011, 03:16:20 AM
Man, mongrel, you are like, epic buildy man!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 02, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
Haven't built anything in a while. Been painting. Mage Knight is all prepainted of course, but while many figures are okay (and can even be cleaned and repainted) some are an outright horror, with godawful misshapen sculpts. Thankfully the worst offenders are a minority. My long term plan is to replace all the really awful figures (or the merely mediocre ones for figures I like a lot or play heavily), with nice minis stolen from various other lines.

I last painted minis many years ago, so I started easy enough, using acetone to strip nice sculpts and repainting them as best I could. This was a good example - he's easy to work with since he's bigger than most existing minis and is a snarly dragon, so small errors mattered less (this sculpt is probably one of my very favourite of the MK minis and is very nice with fine detail once you strip the glopped-on paint off).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Vharigar_01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Vharigar_02.jpg)

I started actually basing metal slotta minis on MK bases. This was an adventure! Cutting slots in the clix dials and grinding down the slotta tab so it's only maybe 1.5 mm deep.

This one I did about two months ago. It was the second mini I'd really done anything with (haven't bothered with pics of the first).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/RedDuchess.jpg)

Then, doing my next minis, I discovered that yes, those ink washes actually are useful after all, and oh wow what an improvement.

An old unit of six shadow warriors becomes a set of non-unique Bowmen, plus two uniques heroes of the same mold.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/RivArchers00.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/RivArchers01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/RivArchers02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/RivArchers03.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/RivArchers04.jpg)

Obligatory cleric chick. FYI, the board is resizing this image (on my browser, this is the only pic in this post that's being resized, so that's why I'm mentioning it specifically).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Elabeth.jpg)

Finally, a random border-captain. Trying some actual freehand stuff.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/TalDreen.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on September 02, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
You should show some of the original base set plastic sculpts in comparison so everyone can see the horror.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 02, 2011, 08:11:48 PM
I was thinking of doing that, but there aren't any online figure databases.

EDIT: Oh, well, T&T has their online store.

The Red Duchess used to look like this (http://www.trollandtoad.com/p132581.html).
The archers used to look like this (http://www.trollandtoad.com/p123953.html). The image doesn't show you the full horror though: That mess is a 40mm figure in a 30mm game.
The cleric looked this (http://www.trollandtoad.com/p132518.html).
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 09, 2011, 08:26:12 AM
Proxy for a figure that was issued after the game was disontinued (which is why there's no "this is the ugly misshapen lump I'm replacing" pic). They're basically impossible to get and when they do show up on ebay they're like $100. Fuck that - if I'm replacing figures anyway, I'm not paying $100 for a clix dial!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Kithana.jpg)

Slight mod... she had a crossbow and was holding arrows before. Carved a rapier and dagger from sprue plastic. Not a fantastic job, but it'll do.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on September 09, 2011, 10:53:55 AM
:o

Did you paint it yourself? It looks great!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 09, 2011, 10:59:22 AM
T'was me. It's an improvement on my previous figures, but not a huge one, I think.

What's really better is the pictures. I'm trying to play around and find better ways to take photos of my stuff without actually going to the trouble of building a lightbox.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on September 09, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
Take two or three sheets of printer paper.  Not exactly a lightbox, but helps with photo-taking.  When you get money to burn, grab one of these lightbox kits (http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras-photography/a205/).
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 09, 2011, 01:14:10 PM
Printer paper is what's behind the figure, I'm just angling down a bit.

Here's a couple of sloppy repair dorks I did too.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Field_Engineers.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 22, 2011, 12:42:04 PM
More stuff!

I made some wheatfields from doormat and MDF (hardboard). Started by cutting bases and gluing on chunks of mat cut to fit.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat08.jpg)

Then I added my standard wall compound ground texture.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat09.jpg)

Painted & flocked:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat10.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat11.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat12.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat13.jpg)

Hey, what's that thingy in the field?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow03.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow04.jpg)

Before painting.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow01.jpg)

I also rebuilt a figure I'd cobbled together from Mage Knight bits. I actually liked the way the figure looked, it's just that the figure's supposed to be a dwarf, but was actually as tall as large men, while still being dwarf-proportioned. Which made him kind of look silly.

Here's the "before" version:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Janos_01.jpg)

So I ripped him apart and rebuilt him from the ground up, this time trying to do it properly. I shaved off the shoulder joints, excess height and pared things down where I could. This time I actually epoxied and pinned the bits instead of just comically mashing them together with a glue gun. Then I added several new parts and actually tried greenstuff sculpting:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Janos_v2_WIP.jpg)

Finished and repainted him (now dwarf-sized!). Wasn't able to do too great a job since ultimately I was still using chopped up Mage Knight bits under all that, but it's a big improvement over the first version (NOTE: This is the only image in this post that the board is auto-shrinking. You can click to enlarge a bit). 

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Janos_v2.jpg)

Note that I also tried to do a tattoo, which was another first for me. It's supposed to be a pair of crossed pistols, which are his faction symbol (you can see it on the base).
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mothra on September 22, 2011, 12:59:41 PM
More stuff!

I made some wheatfields from doormat and MDF (hardboard). Started by cutting bases and gluing on chunks of mat cut to fit.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat08.jpg)

Then I added my standard wall compound ground texture.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat09.jpg)

Painted & flocked:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat10.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat11.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat12.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wheat13.jpg)

Hey, what's that thingy in the field?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow03.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow04.jpg)

Before painting.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Scarecrow01.jpg)

Now I just want to make a tabletop X-Com game.

That scarecrow came out pretty bitchin'
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Ziiro on September 22, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
You work serious magic with those mageknight figures. I'm pretty jealous of that ability.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 22, 2011, 01:56:14 PM
Now I just want to make a tabletop X-Com game.

Oh man, you're totally right. I just realized how much these look exactly like those X-Com wheat fields. :lol:
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on September 22, 2011, 05:03:33 PM
This is why I wanna come live with you and Starr.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on September 23, 2011, 02:08:17 PM
I cannot believe you are putting this much time and effort into MAGE KNIGHT.  I loved the game when it was slightly popular, I was even a Judge for a time.  But to have this kind of dedication is OCD, a real love for the game, and/or a sign of dementia.  That said you're doing fantastic work.  That remodel on the dwarf hand was top notch.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 23, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
Weeeeelllll, two things.

1) If I quit Mage Knight tomorrow, all my terrain is still just as usable for Warmahordes, WFB, any historical wargames from roughly 750 AD to 1850 AD, or whatever. Okay, sure, not so much with 40k, Infinity, or goofy stuff like Dystopian Wars, but you get the idea.

2) I already have the Mage Knight. Playing something else means BUYING something else. Once you take into account the new rules to learn and also the fact that I would HAVE to paint it, instead of that just being optional. Well, that's more like work than fun.

I will close by quoting my comments in Defenstration's thread:

That's what I really like about Mage Knight. Yes, it's a dead game and finding players is impossible, but I have a large enough collection (nearly complete) that I can provide armies for anyone playing and don't have to worry about ever picking up product again. Its really simple, you can teach damn near anyone to play (we called it "Warhammer for Dummies"), and it's very intuitive. The only real arguments are related to position and measuring and there's a relatively simple solution that prevents those (declaring intent on placement).

The real fun is that I can now customize things however I want. The dials mean the stats don't change and are always clear, so I can use whatever figures I like, painted however I want, so long as I want to do the work. The existing figures are prepainted, so if I don't care enough about a figure to bother modding it, I don't have to. The game being discontinued means the figures are dirt cheap (though if you were to start now, many of the figures are hard to find, so I can't really suggest it for other people) and I don't ever have to pay attention to a product release again!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on September 23, 2011, 09:11:36 PM
I've seen Mongrel's collection of Mage Knight. It rivals his collection of magic cards.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on September 23, 2011, 09:45:58 PM
Isn't a fair chunk of that my old collection anyway? I forget who I shipped that to.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 23, 2011, 09:59:24 PM
Your stuff did come to me, but it's a small part of what I've got.

I've seen Mongrel's collection of Mage Knight. It rivals his collection of magic cards.

Only if you're talking physical size rather than monetary value.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on September 23, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
Don't you also have my MTG cards?  My god, any game I quit goes to Canada.....
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on September 24, 2011, 06:19:20 AM
I might! I can't even remember!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on October 06, 2011, 09:23:42 AM
Okay, new dorks.

Started off with this old figure as a base.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScDoBHnV1Vbp3xAF7xmMkqN3OVDSP-1-80vIwTkjwMKa7MWxg9bAOlLs1q)

He was basically a "small" dragon-man (called a Neophant) from the first set ever. He was useful as a small fighter and point-filler to round out a dragon-man ("Draconum") faction army (most Draconum were and are big, expensive figures), but which had become mostly obsolete. Time for an update! A friend made some updated dial designs and I took it from there.

I stripped the stock paint off a pair with acetone, then went to work:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Styx_and_Myramor_WIP.jpg)

For the first fellow, the straps are layered electrical tape, with some metal trim. The round stud bits are finishing nail heads I snipped off, the pauldron on the first fellow was a hollow filigreed metal bead that I cut into quarters, layered, and added a neck-guard fin from styrene card. His sword was an old spearhead, with a nail for a pommel and the grip was simply filled in with epoxy. For the second fellow, the scimitar blade was done in styrene card as well, with a greenstuff hilt (that hilt is not my best work :P ). The belly plate was a flat bead, the jewel and belt studs were just epoxy drops, and the belt itself is more electrical tape. The fur is greenstuff.

Here are the finished versions (click to resize):

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Styxthus.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Myramor.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on October 06, 2011, 10:09:27 AM
O__O
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Ziiro on October 06, 2011, 10:26:53 AM
Question, Mongrel: Do you build your Terrain for yourself or do you sell it?

Ps. Here's a good light box solution: http://www.digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-inexpensive-light-tent (http://www.digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-inexpensive-light-tent)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on October 06, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
I normally just build it for myself. It takes way too long to build this stuff for it to be commercially viable in any way.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on October 06, 2011, 01:34:55 PM
Hmm. Didn't I send you one of those?  Wasn't he red?

Anyway, that is a killer touchup to the figure.  You used acetone on plastic?  How did you go about this without melting features off the figure?
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on October 06, 2011, 05:57:10 PM
The plastic that Mage Knight guys are made of is sort-of acetone resistant. So long as you don't get too crazy (and let the figure FULLY dry after you use the acetone on it) it's okay. I don't dunk figures or anything, I use swabs dipped in the stuff. It's more labour-intensive, but it's really the only way to do it properly.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on October 06, 2011, 06:54:59 PM
Okay, so you're surgically applying acetone, letting it eat through the top layer, and then scrubbing it off?  Good god, you have such patience for a dead game that you have turned around and made fun for you.

Don't let the gaming industry see you doing this.  They will unleash the Slanneshi Neckbeardian, who is 95% beard and neck.  You will not like how he thinks of your game, you will ignore him, but he'll never go away, even when you close your eyes.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on October 06, 2011, 07:29:03 PM
Are you sure it's Slaanesh and not Nurgle? I mean, the way some of those dudes handle personal hygiene...
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on October 06, 2011, 07:35:44 PM
Okay, so you're surgically applying acetone, letting it eat through the top layer, and then scrubbing it off?  Good god, you have such patience for a dead game that you have turned around and made fun for you.

Don't let the gaming industry see you doing this.  They will unleash the Slanneshi Neckbeardian, who is 95% beard and neck.  You will not like how he thinks of your game, you will ignore him, but he'll never go away, even when you close your eyes.

What's really bad is a guy I know and I are gonna start making small expansion sets.

We probably won't physically MAKE all the figures, just do up dials. But as you can see we do actually bring some of our creations to life.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Tzeentch on October 06, 2011, 07:58:45 PM
Slanneshi Neckbeardian

Neckbeards are followers of Nurgle.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on October 07, 2011, 02:26:14 AM
They are easily confused, the Slaneshi one is publicly sexually awkward in addition to socially awkward.  If you so much as mention a girl, they get that really strange gleam in their eye because girls are yet another game that can be won and they expect the prize to always be a submissive slave girl of fantasy art legend.  The Nurgle variety has more emphasis on the rank smells and picks at his scabs during the game, flicking them onto the table.

And for completeness...

The Khornite Neckbeardian is that guy who upon loosing throws dice and slams his arm in a sweep across the table, forcing your figures and his own hurdling toward the floor, all the while stomping about getting so very angry that you cheated him by playing fairly.

The Tzeentch Neckbeardian may or may not be in possession of a Disc of Tzeentch flying mount, flamethrower arms, and a morphic body.  They appear exactly as the Tzeentch Flamer as per the codex, with the added bonus of being complete pricks and laughing insanely as they finish moving every piece on the table.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Ted Belmont on October 07, 2011, 05:10:59 AM
They are easily confused, the Slaneshi one is publicly sexually awkward in addition to socially awkward.  If you so much as mention a girl, they get that really strange gleam in their eye because girls are yet another game that can be won and they expect the prize to always be a submissive slave girl of fantasy art legend.

So, Guild + beard?
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on October 07, 2011, 08:06:52 AM
+110lbs
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Guild on October 07, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
...
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Tzeentch on October 07, 2011, 08:35:28 AM
I found those words you were looking for. (http://www.portal2sounds.com/651)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 03, 2012, 11:33:39 PM
More dorks!

Here's the before picture:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Commandos_00.jpg)

It really doesn't get much more butt-ugly than those guys.

And here's what I replaced them with (a Warmahordes Cygnar Rangers' squad)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Commandos_01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Commandos_02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Commandos_03.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Commandos_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 11, 2012, 11:42:22 AM
A repurposed Aragorn.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wisp_Freeblade.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Ziiro on January 11, 2012, 11:48:05 AM
Mongrel I don't suppose you'd be interested in painting my entire chaos army, would you?
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 11, 2012, 12:00:56 PM
:>_>:
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 11, 2012, 12:04:51 PM
Oh! By the by, that metal is actually unpainted. I am so bad at painting metal that I've developed a technique to avoid it entirely. First I burnish it with a wirewheel on my dremel (have to be REAL CAREFUL with that - too easy to wear off fine details), and I do add some wash touches (Gryphonne Sepia, Devlan Mud, etc. The sword hilt has a very thin wash of Shining Gold to give it a bit of colour, though it's tough to see in the photos) to add depth.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on January 11, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
A repurposed Aragorn.

Hey, I have the Heroes of Helm's Deep set. I'm planning to paint it too, after I finish the Fellowship...
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 11, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
I think I picked it up as a random secondhand almost eight or nine years ago. Been sitting in a box pretty much since then. Finally painted!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on January 11, 2012, 12:58:08 PM
...and that model of the girl in cutoffs, and my Mansions of Madness figures...
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Malikial on January 11, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Commandos_01.jpg)

My favorite thing about these is how easily you could mod this to be a band....
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Ziiro on January 16, 2012, 02:45:39 PM
:>_>:

Properly paid for of course.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 16, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
Far be it for me to turn down money, but it'd take me about a hundred thousand years to paint a whole warhammer army.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on January 16, 2012, 07:09:52 PM
If you mailed them to me, it would only take five thousand years.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 25, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
Took some new pictures to replace some of the shitty old ones (finally! nice pictures of the supplies!). FYI, the board's shrinking the tall ones:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Smithy01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Smithy02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Inn01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Inn02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Cottage01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Supplies01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Supplies02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Supplies03.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Stush on January 25, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
Jeez, Mongrel, these are just amazing. :D
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Lottel on January 25, 2012, 05:38:54 PM
I am blown away.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on January 25, 2012, 06:51:17 PM
I can't believe the weather's been so nice that you'd be able to take those pics on the balcony.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 25, 2012, 07:02:13 PM
Well, the supplies were indoor pics.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on April 27, 2012, 07:30:04 AM
Finally did a new one. An obligatory elf ranger dorkus.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Tal_Dreen_v2.jpg)

Given how slow I am and the number of time I had to re-work things, he took two bloody days to paint, but at least I think it was worthwhile.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on April 27, 2012, 09:11:47 AM
I'll say. Well done! He looks fantastic!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 01, 2012, 01:07:34 PM
Well, that was something of a gap, wasn't it?

Just a small one for now. I'm on more of a figure painting kick, but this is sort of a combination of the two.

I while back I got one of the new GW elf figures to use for a figure conversion. Problem is, the new high-elf sculpts are bloody giant! This fellow is just about 40mm! It drove me nuts too, because he was a perfect sculpt for what I needed (eventually I resorted to getting some early 2000's Phoenix Guardsmen and converting them to get the same kit in the right scale).

Anyway, I thought a slightly oversized figure would work great for a monument. And his dramatic pose really fit well too.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Monument_01.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Monument_02.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Monument_03.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Monument_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: François on May 01, 2012, 03:49:56 PM
Holy crap, that vert-de-gris is uncanny. I bet you have pigeons wistfully looking through a window right now.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on May 02, 2012, 06:38:32 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 10, 2012, 07:22:12 PM
Woop woop (click to resize)!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Chela.jpg)

She's actually a conversion of a blood bowl/elfball figure (http://willy-miniatures.blogspot.ca/2012/04/sara-8.html).

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Chela_WIP.jpg)

That shoulder plate is the first thing I've ever really fully sculpted in green stuff!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on May 10, 2012, 08:27:50 PM
Dang, you're good at this.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Stush on May 11, 2012, 07:53:36 AM
Mongrel is the king of everything.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 11, 2012, 07:55:42 AM
 :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 16, 2012, 08:59:44 AM
I think this is one of my all-time favourite miniatures. Been sitting on it for almost ten years before feeling comfortable enough to paint him.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Geddion.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Stush on May 16, 2012, 09:37:09 AM
It looks pretty amazing for having been sat on for 10 years.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: TA on May 16, 2012, 10:10:40 AM
Man Mongrel do you take commissions?  If I ever wanted a painted miniature I feel like I'd want you to paint it.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 16, 2012, 12:44:46 PM
Well, it takes me literally days to paint a mini, so I probably wouldn't do it unless it was a really small number of figures.  :P

But if it was a very small number, I would probably be open to the idea.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 23, 2012, 07:22:20 AM
Woop woop.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Sir_Mishler.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on May 23, 2012, 07:34:01 AM
Outstanding!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Classic on May 23, 2012, 09:01:43 AM
I don't know if you're fast enough to have this replace your day job, but I think you could net (a good fraction of) minimum wage for your time if you did take commissions.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: James Edward Smith on May 23, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
I think this is one of my all-time favourite miniatures. Been sitting on it for almost ten years before feeling comfortable enough to paint him.

And then after all that waiting... YOU FUCKED IT ALL UP. Way to go LOSER.

Hahaha, all your minatures look amazing, Matt. I still frequently open up a window with your bronze monument guy post in it and jack off to it.

Andrea's jealous because she used to have a ton of Mage Knight figures, Hero Clix too.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 23, 2012, 09:56:45 AM
Sounds hawt. Keep me posted on your distance shots.  :perfect:

I don't know if you're fast enough to have this replace your day job

I could be ten times faster and that wouldn't cut it.

Like I said, I could do individual commissions.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Classic on May 23, 2012, 10:54:08 AM
I'm just saying that these:
http://earthreborn.ludically.com/painted-minis (http://earthreborn.ludically.com/painted-minis)
Are $14 a mini.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 23, 2012, 05:55:33 PM
Well, Mage Knight figures were technically "Hand-Painted" (by Chinese near-slave labour) too.

My skill level is probably a "7" on the coolminiornot scale. Which is enough for low grade money once in a while. I.E. this is fun and I enjoy my own work, but this ain't gonna end in some uplifting live-your-dreams story. Not least of which because it sure as hell isn't a dream of mine to have a career painting minis (though obviously it would beat my current job if all else were equal).
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Classic on May 24, 2012, 08:24:11 AM
I just like the idea of getting paid to do work that I could still pretend was a hobby.
...
...
Basically guess I'm saying I want to see your love for the art and craftsmanship of your minis be slowly bled from you in the form of Canadian dollars.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 24, 2012, 08:32:41 AM
:richiam:
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 31, 2012, 04:46:28 PM
Some new guys. These are three out of four brothers who were all promo figures. Out of the four, two had really crap stats. One of those was a free giveaway so I have him, but the other awful one was a super-hard-to-find rare promo, so I never bothered to complete the foursome. The other two (the mage and the archer with the brown cloak) are actually so-so-decent figures though.

That mage sculpt is a old Mordhiem figure sculpted by the Perry brothers (they usually do really nice historical minis, mostly beautiful Napoleonics), which is why he looks very un-GW-like even though it's of GW-issue. It's a great damn figure.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Starsdawns.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Fedrin_Starsdawn.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Kierin_Starsdawn.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Jareth_Starsdawn.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on May 31, 2012, 05:08:43 PM
I'm really happy that you found an outlet for artistic expression, even if it's not drawing. Those figures look stupendous!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on May 31, 2012, 05:16:30 PM
I know you're going to call me on being grinch-like, but I really don't see minis painting as being artistic, it's more like a really difficult colouring book. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it*, just that I refuse to call it art in my case.

*Well, it's more the results I enjoy... the process itself is just a lot of squinting really hard and trying not to let my hands shake too much.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on May 31, 2012, 06:04:34 PM
I know you're going to call me on being grinch-like, but I really don't see minis painting as being artistic, it's more like a really difficult colouring book.

My sculpture teacher told me that art is basically problem-solving. It's a sentiment that I agree with.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Joxam on June 02, 2012, 07:42:30 AM
I feel bad because my problem is usually that I'm bad at art.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on June 04, 2012, 07:29:49 AM
This guy used to belong to MadMaxJr! Well, the dial base did.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/HEG.jpg)

I have more elf dorks I could convert, but I think I'm going to switch to something else for a bit. Not sure what's next.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on June 04, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
Ninjas.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on July 18, 2012, 12:37:37 PM
This is probably the best thread to ask. I have some small resin parts to a model kit that I want to make duplicates of. What's the best way to do that, Mongrel (or anyone else)?
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on July 18, 2012, 01:22:04 PM
How complete do you need the copies to be? I have some instant mold (a silicone compound you heat up and press onto the object to create a mold), which works pretty well for light simple stuff, but it's not the best for 360° stuff - better for reliefs or just one side. Which is not to say you can't make 360° molds out of instant mold, but it's much more difficult and the process risks damaging the original (because you need to cut the mold off).

Also, how high-precision do you need this to be? Because any press-on mold material isn't the greatest for super precise stuff (precise in terms of a mechanical fit, not in terms of detail - instant mold is pretty decent for retaining detail).
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on October 30, 2012, 10:42:45 AM
This guy is seriously the greatest figure. <3

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Molog_Bloodaxe.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on April 15, 2013, 04:46:27 AM
Oh yeah, I did more of these.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Jaysa_zps15f9121d.jpg:original)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Therenody_zpsed0fb98a.jpg:original)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/MEG_zps0178d713.jpg:original)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on April 23, 2013, 01:42:12 AM
I loved painting this pair.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Astrus_and_Baldric_zps0018da6e.jpg:original)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on April 23, 2013, 02:23:31 AM
They look even better in real life! :D
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Stush on April 26, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
You make such pretty things, Mongrelle!
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on June 11, 2013, 03:19:28 AM
Nothing last month due to KOTOR 1 & 2, but here we are, back on the hog.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Aetius_zps3e063b19.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on June 19, 2013, 05:22:35 AM
I re-replaced a figure I had already replaced. :8V:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Chela_V2_zps3b8b4819.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Beat Bandit on June 19, 2013, 05:54:33 AM
Mongrel describing his hobbies to co-workers: "You'd be amazed how hard it is to get an even coat between the butt cheeks."
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on June 19, 2013, 05:56:13 AM
Silly, that's what ink glazes are for  :3
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on June 25, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
New dorkus.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wisp_Freeblade_V2_zpsb84d93fc.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on October 07, 2013, 06:56:57 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Wrath_zpsd14a33b3.jpg~original)

Back on the hog, I suppose?
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on December 03, 2013, 09:45:59 AM
Some more doodz BEATSMANS.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Brimbidus_Grimm_zps78f82bef.jpg~original)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Jackal_zps426533ec.jpg~original)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Morgarius_zpsb3ec591f.jpg~original)

Group shot!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Beatsgruppe_zpsb6625e1e.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 11, 2014, 10:53:52 AM
I'm sure that there are geekier things than a sci-fi samurai elf chick wargaming figure... but I sure can't think of any right now.

I really tried to push myself further with this one. Partially because it's such a cool figure, but also because it was a special issue sold to raise money for a well-known indie wargame designer, after his newborn daughter died suddenly.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/FramFramson/Lillian_Grace_zps65ac1224.jpg~original)

I even hand-painted the gilt base markings.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Büge on January 11, 2014, 06:37:01 PM
I'm sure that there are geekier things than a sci-fi samurai elf chick wargaming figure... but I sure can't think of any right now.

A sci-fi samurai catgirl wargaming figure.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: MadMAxJr on January 13, 2014, 01:37:23 AM
Jesus, you're still working on amazing figures and putting them on bases for a game that died in like 2005.  That detail work on the cape over the fold is pretty god damned amazing.
Title: Re: Mongrel's Wargame Terrain (and figures)
Post by: Mongrel on January 13, 2014, 05:22:26 AM
I mostly talk to older European wargamers, for whom "doing your own thing" is pretty normal. Playing like, stock 40K or Warmachine would be anathema to me.

I am getting into a new game though (Pulp Alley)! I will post figures once I get working on those.