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Title: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 10, 2012, 06:02:36 PM
The Thing Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Tn1Y-ERCE#)

The night is cold. The events of the previous day still continue to astound and confuse. Why were those foreigners chasing that dog? Had they gone mad? Their high powered rifles and grenades seemed to suggest it.

But then, in the morning, you found something you couldn't believe. Something it didn't want you to see. Only your restless wanderings, unable to sleep so close to dawn, had discovered it. The "dog" wasn't a dog at all. Instead, some kind of... imitation. It had assimilated the other dogs in the kennel. You burned them. Burned them all. The screams were unlike anything you had ever heard before.

But the dog had been loose in the compound all day before being locked up for the night.

Now, it could be anyone.

The finger pointing. The accusations. Nobody is in the clear. It seems hopeless. The Thing simply has to wait until the cover of darkness to strike again.

But then a plan. A wire, heated. Blood. A hope of survival.

You don't know if it'll be enough.

12 players begin the nightmare.

Geo
Caithness
Kazz
gahitsu
Lottel
Destil
Kayma
Friend
Ocksi
Sharkey
Zara
Beat

Sharkey has the extra test today. Self-testing is not allowed.

It takes 7 votes to test.

Dynamite may not be thrown today.

All players must check in here before the game and timer begins.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 10, 2012, 06:21:31 PM
I'm here.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 10, 2012, 07:26:20 PM
This game should be DYNAMITE, know what I mean? Wait...

shit...
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 10, 2012, 07:30:20 PM
Geo, if you innocently attempt to ignite a flame war in this thread, I'm going to have to do a thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 10, 2012, 07:34:04 PM
Do a thing?  Kinky.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 10, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Well, let's get to it then.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 11, 2012, 03:02:45 AM
Se til helvete kom dere vekk! Det er ikke en guild. Det er en ting, det etterligne en guild. Det er ikke ekte! Kom deg vekk idioter!
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 11, 2012, 07:28:12 AM
I thought both of you died. Oh wait, is this the fucking remake that tried to pass itself off as a prequel? Fuck this, I'm outta here. *pours whiskey into his cpu fan vent*
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 11, 2012, 09:19:39 AM
Let's do this thing
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Zaratustra on October 11, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
i always suspected norwegians were aliens
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 11, 2012, 08:14:10 PM
You cheating bitch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv_XaPp-XIY#ws)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 08:40:58 PM
I'll test Geo on account of he looks suspiciously identical to me.

also I had an erotic dream about him once and it made me really uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 11, 2012, 08:54:25 PM
We're talking the test with the wire for this game and not something else, right?

*grabs unto his belt protectively and eyes the exits*
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 09:07:36 PM
Yeah, sure. The wire thing. Totally what I meant.

Also, not only is R-KN6 not fucking mate, but Q-Q5 puts you in place to tear ass after that. I admire the foreshadowing, but yeah, that's a cheating bitch.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Se til helvete kom dere vekk! Det er ikke en guild. Det er en ting, det etterligne en guild. Det er ikke ekte! Kom deg vekk idioter!

I'm not even going to google translate that shit. I saw "guild" and "idiot," so we're all on the same page.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Anyway, do we vote to flamethrower Geo now? Because he's a sexy... because he's a thing? Because he's totally a fucking thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 11, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Sharkey tests Geo's blood with his wire right out of the gate.

The blood sample remains inert.

Geo is human.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
I can still fuck eat kill him anyway, right?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 11, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Not on day one.

So wait, has the game started? I thought we were still waiting for everyone to check in.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 11, 2012, 09:36:03 PM
gahitsu checked in in the other thread, we're waiting on Kayma and Kazz.

Voting for the other test and the time limit still hasn't started.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
You couldn't have stopped my hot wire. It's an unblockable technique. Fufufu. Etc.

P.S. I'm not a thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 11, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
I vote for Kazz.  I bet that asshole is a Thing.  He tries to touch all the ladies.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 11, 2012, 11:06:06 PM
Maybe this isn't the best time to point this out, but did anyone else notice that an antarctic research base probably doesn't need this many flamethrowers? Seriously, what do we even use these things for? I mean, besides melting ice, which is a sisyphean task no matter how many fucking flamethrowers you've got. This whole thing was obviously a setup.

Whatever, fine. Test Kazz. He was all over those fine bitches. And by bitches, I mean dogs. And by dogs I mean space monsters. He's obviously a spaceperv dogtoucher using psychology on us.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 12, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
Actual voting isn't allowed yet (still waiting on Kayma) (Kazz's vote was just him fucking around) but when it is, please bold all votes and wire tests to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 12, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
oh also I forgot day 1 doesn't have a time limit so feel free to go crazy
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 12, 2012, 12:22:11 AM
I'M GOING FUCKING CRAZY
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 12, 2012, 01:14:23 AM
HE'S DONE GONE CRAZY SHOOT HIM
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 12, 2012, 03:24:11 AM
ok guys where the fuck is kayma
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 12, 2012, 04:44:44 AM
Alright, this game is now started. 7 votes will test a player.

(The only way to actually kill off players is by dynamite or flamethrower.)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 12, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
Sharkey sure is talking a lot. Might be because it's his first game, but it also might be because he's a Thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 12, 2012, 11:19:07 AM
Caithness for doing the whole talks too much/talks too little argument.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 12, 2012, 11:34:23 AM
Ocksi because alien wolves always accuse the first accuser.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 12, 2012, 11:35:30 AM
What's that? I should throw my dynamite at Beat Bandit?

*sparks a flare and holds it menacingly up to the fuse while looking crazy and snow caked*

...

Wait a minute, this isn't a dynamite stick, this is my own severed and then frozen penis with a tampon jammed into it!

FRI DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 12, 2012, 12:16:58 PM
Yup, I'm still voting for Kazz.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 12, 2012, 12:38:13 PM
Sharkey sure is talking a lot. Might be because it's his first game, but it also might be because he's a Thing.

Or it might just be because I'm drunk.

Kazz is either a Thing using reverse psychology or a human who's trying to waste our time. Either way I think we should test someone else and light up Kazz, regardless.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 12, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
Day 1 is a fairly arbitrary vote and considering there are no negative consequences to testing innocent players, I will vote for Ocksi.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 12, 2012, 01:26:35 PM
Sharkey sure is talking a lot. Might be because it's his first game, but it also might be because he's a Thing.

Or it might just be because I'm drunk.

Kazz is either a Thing using reverse psychology or a human who's trying to waste our time. Either way I think we should test someone else and light up Kazz, regardless.

Oooh, look at me, I'm Sharkey, the man who played a million billion wolf games, the man who can see into your very soul and find your intentions, I know what you're gonna do before you even do it, cause I'm ol' psychic Sharkey
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 12, 2012, 01:29:36 PM
TEST ME. OCKSI
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 12, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
I vote to test Zara for standard "being too quiet" reasons.

and I vote to tell Sharkey to BOLD his votes again so that he'll actually do it and we don't have to guess.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Zaratustra on October 12, 2012, 01:48:59 PM
what, i totally did post there

anyway I vote for Kazz
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 12, 2012, 02:07:15 PM
I didn't bold it because it wasn't a vote.

And how about you stow the lip and actually tell me what's wrong with my conclusion, Kazz. If identifying a thing is more useful than confirming a human, especially on the first day when nothing else has been established, why would a human vote for themselves unless they were just dinking around?

So... I dunno. Test Caithness for no reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 12, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
Yeah, Geo. It was a suggestion to throw dynamite at Kazz, not a vote to test him.

I also agree that it is not in a human's best interest to vote for himself, unless he's counting on being turned into a Thing. But there are now two people who have done so, Kazz and Ocksi. Guess I'll have to go with Kazz, who explicitly told me last game that his strategy was to get turned.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 12, 2012, 04:23:44 PM
I'm switching back to Caithness because even though he is right that confirming humans at this point is totes worthless, he also seems to be totally against getting day one over with so we can see shit explode.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 12, 2012, 04:32:55 PM
If you just want to vote for the person with the most votes on them in order to get the day over with quickly, that is now Kazz.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 12, 2012, 05:44:17 PM
Okay what? That response right after Ocksi's post makes me vote Caithness.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 12, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
Okay I phrased that dumb but disproving him by showing off how fast you can get people to not look at you is pretty suspich.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 12, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
I don't undersand your clarification any more than the post it was clarifying.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 12, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
I think caithness sounds the most suspicious at the moment
.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 12, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
I honestly feel like Zara and now Ocksi are more suspicious. I maintain my Zara vote.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 13, 2012, 12:05:12 AM
Yeah, sure. Let's test Caithness and hope for a thing who just wants to end day early for super fun conversion times, rather than a flamethrower who just wants to light someone up.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 13, 2012, 03:42:39 AM
I don't undersand your clarification any more than the post it was clarifying.
Sober attempt:

Ocksi commented on drawing the day out. You quickly counter how Kazz is actually the fastest way to end the day. It feels less like you're calling Ocksi out on being dumb and more like you just revealed the reason you voted for Kazz.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 13, 2012, 08:13:08 AM
Ahh, I get it now. I was trying to point out how he was drawing the day out just as much as I was, but I can see how using the person I was voting for as an example might seem opportunistic.

But no, ending the day as fast as possible is not my goal. If it was, I would have to vote for myself now.

...Maybe that's another bad example.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 13, 2012, 11:27:34 AM
Sure, let's vote Caithness
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 13, 2012, 01:11:38 PM
If I vote for caithness that's gotta be close to 7, right?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 13, 2012, 01:31:19 PM
I'll vote Caithness too because Kazz was obviously being a smug shit.

I do have to ask, though. Sharkey has the free test, right? Isn't his vote for Caithness that free scan or does he specifically have to name his specific scan as such? I just want to make sure we're scanning as much as possible.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 13, 2012, 01:39:50 PM
Unless I'm confused, he used that on Geo in the first couple posts.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 13, 2012, 01:47:03 PM
Yeah, I did Geo right off the bat. He's human, for now.

Anyway, I vote we take off all our clothes, pop a shitload of no-doz, and just stand in the same room staring at each other until spring.

... wait, the clothes thing is for puppet masters. Or maybe witches.

Whatever. Strip.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 13, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
Oh, derp, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 13, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
You're still wearing some of your clothes.

But with such a naive and well intentioned question we can probably confirm you as human for today, creepy veiny stuff be damned.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 13, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
I'm happy to report that I am no longer wearing any of my clothes
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 13, 2012, 07:29:53 PM
I'm happy to report that I am no longer wearing any of my clothes

(http://i.imgur.com/7WvUx.png)

Fine, I'll kill you later.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: James Edward Smith on October 13, 2012, 08:59:24 PM
None of this is my fault.

Untagged NSFW picture after being warned for untagged NSFW content.  I hope Geo wasn't a player in this game.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 13, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
Welp, I'm fired. See you guys later.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 13, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
well this was a good game
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 13, 2012, 10:12:13 PM
did kayma actually get fired?


or was it dynamite
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 13, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
God Damn You All to Hell! - Charlton Heston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ#)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 14, 2012, 12:05:28 AM
well, let's get a sub for Geo and resume, i guess.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 14, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Lyrai/Aoko has volunteered to replace Geo, assuming his role.

The game continues.

Unless Kayma is actually gone.

In which case I'll find a sub for him too.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 14, 2012, 01:30:29 AM
Also, Caithness is being tested.

You hold him down and extract a sample of his blood, before dipping the  hot wire in.

Nothing. Caithness is human.

Night roles.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: A on October 14, 2012, 02:28:23 AM
Chiming in to say I'm here and paying attention.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 14, 2012, 07:54:36 AM
Not really fired in any sense! Though I did view that image at work. 1,000 needles indeed.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 14, 2012, 10:44:26 AM
Righto. Game continues as normal. Still waiting on night actions.

Remember, flame units, if you're not burning anyone, please PM and state so. Otherwise I have to either find you and ask or wait for the 24 hour limit to expire.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 15, 2012, 04:55:56 AM
The night is silent. In the morning, you all assemble in the rec room... and nobody is missing.

But you know that the ranks of The Thing has increased.

12 players struggle to survive.

Aoko
Caithness
Kazz
gahitsu
Lottel
Destil
Kayma
Friend
Ocksi
Sharkey
Zara
Beat

Lottel has the extra test today. Self-testing is not allowed.

It takes 7 votes to test.

Dynamite is now live and may be thrown, except if you have two or more votes on you.

48 hour timer begins now. Hammertime may be called to extend the day by 24 hours. (Each player may only do this once per game.)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 15, 2012, 10:51:09 AM
I'm still suspicious of Sharkey, even more so now because of some of his comments in #outerheaven. I won't place any votes until after Lottel uses his extra test, though.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 15, 2012, 12:03:40 PM
Do you have a log of his inhuman internet relay chatting? The court would hear it. 
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 15, 2012, 12:06:38 PM
But you know that the ranks of The Thing have increased.

B-, good atmosphere!  keep it up  :advice:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Zaratustra on October 15, 2012, 12:09:48 PM
keeping a record here for my own benefit as well as that of anyone else:

Geo/Aoko and Caithness have been tested on day 1, both innocent.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 15, 2012, 01:03:04 PM
Do you have a log of his inhuman internet relay chatting? The court would hear it.


2012-10-14 00:58:30< Sharkey> Oh, hey. Is it allowed to talk about werewolf shit?
2012-10-14 00:59:01< Caithness> uh, i haven't read the rules recently
2012-10-14 00:59:12< Mazian> ~fabulous secret powers~
2012-10-14 00:59:19< Caithness> it usually is in vampires vs. werewolves
2012-10-14 00:59:26< Sharkey> Righto, I won't then.
2012-10-14 00:59:30< Caithness> not sure about the thing
2012-10-14 00:59:43< Caithness> maybe only in #finalfight
2012-10-14 00:59:44< Sharkey> Except if I don't dynamite kazz first thing tomorrow, it means I've been turned.
2012-10-14 00:59:45< Caithness> ask friday
2012-10-14 00:59:49< Sharkey> Or I changed my mind.
2012-10-14 00:59:53< Sharkey> Or I don't have dynamite.
2012-10-14 01:00:29< Sharkey> But seriously, burn him.
2012-10-14 01:00:39< Sharkey> just cus
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 15, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
Well, uh, that's great information to have BUT NOT TO POST BEFORE HE POSTS.

Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 15, 2012, 05:08:15 PM
I'm not exactly sure what I should do at this point.

Sharkey, would you like to have a brief conversation with me?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 15, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
But you know that the ranks of The Thing have increased.

B-, good atmosphere!  keep it up  :advice:

Kazz is found, hung by his own entrails. A note is clipped to his shirt:

"lol idk my bff jill?"

Kazz was the Grammar Nazi.

EDIT:

<Esperath> PS I really hope Kazz goes Grammar Nazi on your post
<Esperath> http://www.englishrules.com/writing/2005/hanged-or-hung/ (http://www.englishrules.com/writing/2005/hanged-or-hung/)
<Friday> ohhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiii
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 15, 2012, 06:13:01 PM
2012-10-14 00:59:44< Sharkey> Except if I don't dynamite kazz first thing tomorrow, it means I've been turned.
2012-10-14 00:59:49< Sharkey> Or I changed my mind.
2012-10-14 00:59:53< Sharkey> Or I don't have dynamite.
2012-10-14 01:00:29< Sharkey> But seriously, burn him.
2012-10-14 01:00:39< Sharkey> just cus

Caith, if you actually read that it's a complete non-statement (i.e., a joke.)

I do kinda want to burn kazz, but I'll settle for just testing him. Not that I have anything against the guy. I just think he's funnier when he's on fire.

stupid goddamn not just murdering everybody for no reason mumblemumble etc
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 15, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
So are there out of game communication rules here? I would assume so, though I'd also assume that something like that wouldn't really count as a violation.

For now I'm waiting to see how the free test turns out; personally I'd be inclined to scan Friend as he seemed to be more interested in an easy test than anything (pushing for both the vote leader and the self-voter).
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 15, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
So are there out of game communication rules here? I would assume so, though I'd also assume that something like that wouldn't really count as a violation.

Yeah, that's why I asked. Nobody knew, so I made a smartass comment. Drunk fuckoffery while watching Baby Police wasn't exactly a strategy meeting. Unless I can vote for Baby Police to be nailed to a fucking cross made out of flamethrowers.

But for the sake of clarity, what are the rules on secret conspiracies or whatever?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 15, 2012, 08:01:50 PM
I'd assume we can talk about it outside of the thread? I mean, I hope so, 'cause that's the reason I play here and not on TT. It's a ... caustic mentality there, to say the least.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 15, 2012, 08:56:32 PM
Pretty sure as long as Friday gets a transcript,  it's cool.

Pretty sure.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 16, 2012, 12:54:00 AM
If you test me, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: A on October 16, 2012, 02:50:55 AM
D...Double Kazzing?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 16, 2012, 04:49:12 AM
Yeah, outside communication is fine. You're free to talk in IRC, send other players PMs, etc.

Like Lottel said, just remember to send me the transcript.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 16, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
For now I'm waiting to see how the free test turns out; personally I'd be inclined to scan Friend as he seemed to be more interested in an easy test than anything (pushing for both the vote leader and the self-voter).

I can accept the vote leader point, but I don't think it's fair to hold the self-voter vote against me, because Ocksi voted for themself after I already voted for them. Also, I don't mind if you want to test me, but personally I feel like it's a waste of time since I know I'm innocent. I would rather vote for zaratustra based on nothing but my instinct.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 16, 2012, 11:54:26 AM
Are you planning to use that test before time runs out, Lottel?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Zaratustra on October 16, 2012, 12:06:23 PM
We have... 16 more hours I think.

Voting for Lottel until he uses that dang wire.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 16, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
I was actually waiting for input on who I should use it on.

But if that's not acceptable, I'll look over the thread again during dinner and think on who to test.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 16, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
I already gave my input, I thought. I'm for using it on Sharkey.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 16, 2012, 03:52:44 PM
My input: test caithness.

Just because I would've totally turned the one proven innocent as my first action, were I a the thing. Don't think it's great reasoning, but it's out there if you can't decide.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 16, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
I was thinking something similar.

Using my extra test on Caithness.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 16, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
If I were a Thing (which I was last game) I would wait until the second night after someone was confirmed human to turn them, because they're the most obvious test target the next day.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 16, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
I was thinking something similar.

Using my extra test on Caithness.

I need you to bold this if it's an actual action.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 16, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
If we test caithness then I would suggest we also test aoko. That way, we can confirm the existence of 3 things among the starting players. Or, we'll know aoko is a thing if Caithness isn't turned.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 16, 2012, 05:23:00 PM
If we test caithness then I would suggest we also test aoko. That way, we can confirm the existence of 3 things among the starting players. Or, we'll know aoko is a thing if Caithness isn't turned.

I don't really follow? If I understand you correctly, you're saying that we should try to find Patient Zero, and that's not the worst idea you could have in a Thing game. But I don't follow how testing Caithness leads to testing Aoko specifically, or why we should test Aoko at all. She's been laying low, but so has everyone else - what makes her particular?

Seriously, though, if I've missed something, feel free to illuminate.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 16, 2012, 05:28:32 PM
Keep in mind, because Aoko took over for Geo, she has already been tested on day 1 as human.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 16, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
Testing Caithness
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 16, 2012, 05:49:20 PM
"we ar testing caithness now," sed kazz. he was sad to use the test in tihs way but soemtmes a presedent had to do what was right even thouhg it was sad.

Lottel got the wire redy. Lottel was kazz's secrety assistant and kazz was in love with him. but if he told lottel this he would have to kill him beacuase he was presedent. it was sad but perhaps the world was ment to be this way.

Lottel dipped the wire in Caithnses'ss blod. the red crimson pool, like the fire, did not move.

"Caiehtnses is a human," siad Kazz.

He then turnd back to the fire and stared into it. the fire flickederd like fire.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 16, 2012, 06:02:35 PM
um... I had a reason at the time and it seemed coherent to me, but now that I look back at what I wrote I can't figure out what I meant either. So if I figure out what I wanted us to do I can tell you when I remember, but otherwise just disregard what I said.

EDIT:(This post is a response to Gahitsu if my post is unclear)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 16, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Lottel for testing someone immediately after they'd been tested. We need to cast a wider net. I understand people can be turned, but we also need to find some originalz.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 16, 2012, 06:45:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HR56l.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lJpqJ.gif)

You guys know Lottel better than me. Is he a Skrull or just stupid?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 16, 2012, 07:32:31 PM
Honestly, since this is so slow-going and it was such a shitty play from Lottel, I want to EXPLODE LOTTEL.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 16, 2012, 07:51:27 PM
Amid the accusations and finger pointing, the sound of a match igniting grabs your attention like nothing else.

"I'm innocent!" screams Lottel as Ocksi closes in with fuse lit.

"We'll see," Ocksi replies, and hurls his explosive into Lottel's face.

Lottel was a Thing. The Day continues.

Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 16, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
Fuck yeah. Now to vote for Kazz.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 16, 2012, 08:10:10 PM
Alright, now that that's taken care of, my vote's back on Sharkey.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 16, 2012, 08:21:48 PM
Oooooh. He was stupid and a thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 16, 2012, 09:47:35 PM
Nice. Let's see here.

Caiehtnses - human (proven).
Ocksi - human. Way too early to bus and the odds of converting a dynamite are lower than not (2/5) and it's better saved to end the game anyway. Unless someone tells me he's like Lottel's bff or something.
Friend - most of my suspicion of him is gone at this point, given that I can't see two of the three things pushing for re-scans this early; seems that putting all your eggs in one easily exploded basket isn't such a great move.

For now my gut says Beat Bandit, so let's start with him. Unless someone has some insight on who Lottel may have converted?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 16, 2012, 10:23:08 PM
I declare Hammertime and I vote for Sharkey
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 16, 2012, 10:28:26 PM
Caith, I think you should change your vote and untie me.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 16, 2012, 10:32:25 PM
Why, so you can throw your dynamite at me?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 16, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
No, I have to pee, and we've already overestablished our nakedness here. I can aim this thing without my hands, you know. You're not going to like where it's pointed.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 16, 2012, 10:41:34 PM
I feel like Ocksi is basically human, albeit untested. If Ocksi feels like Kazz is suspect, then I'm inclined to agree.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 16, 2012, 11:49:02 PM
Well, now we're both tied up, Sharkey.

A fine mess you've gotten us into.  I know you're not sure about me, but I bet you're human.  So let's hope we remain that way until the end of the movie, staring at each other over the flaming wreckage of our research facility, slowly but surely dying.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 12:10:25 AM
Hey, this isn't my fault!

... Except it kind of is.

I Am Dog Chasing Cars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSkWrpH3H3Q#ws)


Well, just so long as there's booze. And beards. Booze and beards everywhere.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: A on October 17, 2012, 12:48:10 AM
Some candles and music and we got ourselves some japanese porn.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 17, 2012, 01:28:28 AM
I'd kind of like to see Friend tested since he's thrown out three names in one day without much more than hunches or bandwagoning.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Zaratustra on October 17, 2012, 03:41:13 AM
Voting for Beat Bandit for suggesting the vote for Caithness on the first place.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 17, 2012, 04:35:54 AM
Notably I didn't give him as much time to respond to Caithness' post as I should have, but Lottel ignoring the Sharkey suggestion while so quickly jumping on mine could mean a thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 09:13:32 AM
Hey dudes, since you can trust me (straight up, unless you think they turned me night 1 and I immediately turned around and blew one of them up. If you do, you're an idiot.) I'd recommend taking your votes off Sharkey. He claims to be a regular Jimmie Walker, Texas Ranger so we should untie him and let him dyn-o-mite Kazz. If he doesn't blow Kazz up after we untie him, we know he's a parasite. If he does, we learn things.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 17, 2012, 11:20:22 AM
I'm not sure I see how that's such a great idea.

We've got 4 possible situations here, if we assume that Sharkey does actually have dynamite and that he will actually kill Kazz if we give him the opportunity.

1. They're both human. This doesn't really help us at all, since we lose both a human life and a bit of ammunition for killing Things.

2. Sharkey is human and Kazz is not. This is the best possible outcome, and I'm sure it's the one that Sharkey wants us to believe is true. He hasn't provided any reasoning for this plan beyond "I really want to kill Kazz", though.

3. Sharkey is Thing and Kazz is human. Not quite as bad as #1, because Sharkey would undoubtedly be tested and then torched overnight. Still not ideal.

4. They are both Things. In this scenario Sharkey got turned last night and is throwing Kazz under the bus in order to seem innocent. Doesn't seem especially likely, but that's precisely why he might be able to get away with it.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 01:47:08 PM
Yeah, but if he does it, that's two bonus tests this round, no matter the results. Learning five things today would be way better than learning three things today.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
Here's an idea: test my fucking blood.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 04:00:59 PM
Well, we will. After it's splattered all over the walls, we'll grab a sample and then we'll know.

Why are people scared to use dynamite as bonus tests? We get trustworthy information and we're certain those we prove innocent won't be turned later, so it's actually better. It also keeps the dynamite away from the Things. I say use it all on anyone not confirmed innocent already and we'll have a better shot of surviving to the end.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 04:03:31 PM
We have three more dynamites and a test for today. We know there are two things and there are 11 players with two confirmed innocents. We can actually end this farce right now if people start just blowing shit up.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 04:04:09 PM
In fact, if our LAMEthrowers just claim now so dynamite doesn't hit them, it's pretty much gg.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
I'd clap if I weren't still tied to this fucking chair.

Also, it'll be doubleplus-unawesome when you test me as human and then tomorrow morning you've got a turned Sharkey with dynamite. Not that I wouldn't have fun with that. I'd keep a close eye on whoever kept me tied up if that's how it goes down. Except Caith, who is human, but a little bit silly.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
On the Mad Stan front, I rescind my vote.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 17, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
Why are people scared to use dynamite as bonus tests? We get trustworthy information and we're certain those we prove innocent won't be turned later, so it's actually better. It also keeps the dynamite away from the Things. I say use it all on anyone not confirmed innocent already and we'll have a better shot of surviving to the end.

I know I'm thinking about saving as many humans as possible when my goal really should be to destroy all Things at any cost, but this reasoning doesn't really sit well with me. I also think it would be a really bad idea for the flamethrowers to reveal themselves now.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: A on October 17, 2012, 08:07:29 PM
Ocksi for pushing a strategy of "Just blow random people up and hey if you're holding a flamethrower, claim so it 'doesn't hit you'"
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
I'd also vote for Ocksi for pushing the worst strategy in history, but I'm afraid if I do then a certain someone's going to get off the couch and dynamite me.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
please don't waste the test on me. At least at this point, I'm guaranteed human. I want as much information as possible and at this point in the game, people using dynamite not only confirms their innocence, it tells us the role of whoever they hit. That is as good as two tests. Dynamite becomes a considerably less valuable weapon as the game goes on, as Things will have it. Right now is the actual optimal time for humans to beat Things. Numbers are still on our side, we likely still have three dynamite. We know we have two Things, we know we have two flamethrowers, and we know there are three dynamites still out there. After tonight, we know we have three things, and our dynamite and flamethrowers are considerably less certain.

It's really, really idiotic to not take the win while we have right in front of us.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:19:57 PM
Kazz
Sharkey
Beat Bandit
Zara
Gahitsu
Destil
Friend
Kayma

Eight players, three dynamite. On top of this, everyone knows their own role already. This leaves seven targets for three dynamite. Blowing three dynamite confirms the role of six out of seven players at this stage of the game and at no point later than now. We actually have the I WIN button available to us.

Granted one of the dynamite could have been turned already, but that still leaves us with ONLY TWO SUSPECTS.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:20:51 PM
On top of that, as each dynamite is used, the number of suspicious targets drops by two, making a good hit even more likely. Even on bad hits, we get the one thing we need, though: information.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 17, 2012, 08:29:44 PM
You forgot Aoko. Also, there's a significant chance of one dynamiter blowing up another.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:30:26 PM
Roleclaim, roleclaim, roleclaim. Aoko got tested, I doubt the Things were so brazen.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
You're not really guaranteed human, but it's reasonable to assume that you are one, and you'll probably remain human for the rest of the game because you're a practically useless turn target.

However, you haven't thought through your plan.  People using dynamite doesn't prove their innocence, because one of us was turned last night.  So, a person with dynamite could have been turned.

Secondly, losing even one of our two flamethrowers reduces our chances of winning by a fucking ton.

Third, everything we learn is something the Things also learn.  They know who the Things are, but they don't know who the dynamites or flamers are.  If all the dynamites throw right now, every one that doesn't hit a Thing narrows down their list of potential flamers by two.  All they'd need to do at that point is grab them and we're fucked.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
The Things don't have to know anything to win. They never have to learn anything, they just have to keep us from learning things. Knowledge is a weapon for the innocents.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
Regarding having not thought it through: if we get actual significant role claims, we can use the dynamite pretty accurately and narrow our list of targets down tremendously. If the dynamites then work with everyone to choose their targets from the list, it should be relatively easy to figure out which, if any, was turned.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
umm... this might be kind of stupid, but I actually agree with Ocksi, and in fact, had a similar plan to reveal myself as a flamethrower, but for different reasons: If you consider that there are only two things in play right now, you must think that they're not going to turn the flamethrower who just outed himself. Why? because they're in a very dangerous position right now and any obvious turn targets (myself) will be tested frequently and subsequently killed. However, we innocents also get a pretty good trade off for me outing myself:

1) The other flamethrower doesn't have to worry about accidentally killing me. I was planning on waiting until day 3 to reveal myself, to see whether or not the other flamethrower would start killing or wait. But if we wait until day 3, that's another potential 2 kills wasted.
2) The town gets an input on who I plan to kill.
3) You'll know exactly when I'm turned, because I'll no longer be able to murder people. This is actually useful information in certain situations, if you want to have an idea of who was turned when.

Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Secondly, losing even one of our two flamethrowers reduces our chances of winning by a fucking ton.

Right, but what about flamers worried about hitting each other? Notice no one died on day one, that's already two potential deaths wasted. Flamethrowers have to toe the line between playing too risky and not risky enough. So I figure if the other flamethrower is playing conservatively, I have to play risky for the both of us.

Third, everything we learn is something the Things also learn.  They know who the Things are, but they don't know who the dynamites or flamers are.  If all the dynamites throw right now, every one that doesn't hit a Thing narrows down their list of potential flamers by two.  All they'd need to do at that point is grab them and we're fucked.

But the reverse is also true: the flamethrowers also have a much smaller pool to determine who the things are, and with only two things in the pool right now, they're more likely to turn the people who are least likely to be tested, rather than the people who are most likely to be flamethrowers.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

I can go for that.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 08:43:35 PM
I forgot to mention: now that I've outed myself as flamethrower, I WILL be burning someone every night. It's your job as a town to determine who I will be burning. That way, the other flamethrower will know in advance who I'll burn and act accordingly. You will know exactly when I've been turned when I haven't killed anyone.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
you're going to get turned immediately unless the Things are retarded.  they have no reason not to eliminate you.  it is not a waste of their turn to do this.

good fuckin work.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
Yeah, that roleclaim means we should probably go all-in on my plan.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 08:53:17 PM
Okay: say they turn me. We get two extra tests, a flamethrower who doesn't have to think twice about nightkilling now that their partner is dead, and we'll know for sure that Caithness and whoever we test today is still innocent.
Whereas if I didn't out myself, could you guarantee that the other flamethrower would burn someone? Because I know I wouldn't have.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 08:56:06 PM
Yeah, that roleclaim means we should probably go all-in on my plan.

yeah i'm fuckin glad we were forced to.

i rescind my vote on Sharkey.  hopefully he also rescinds his on me so i can throw my own fucking stick.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
my last response was a response to Kazz. Also, thank you. That was pretty good work. I especially liked the part where you attacked one of my points, which invalidated the rest of my argument.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 08:59:07 PM
Yeah. We're committed now. Rescinding my vote on Kazz. Give me a minute to run through the topic and work out a list of probables. Shit just got real.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 09:05:53 PM
Here goes nothin'.

I throw my dynamite at Beat Bandit.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 09:07:45 PM
So much for waiting for role claims.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 09:08:12 PM
On the other hand, I truly support your new-found gusto for playing with your balls out.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 17, 2012, 09:10:25 PM
"Iv'e always loved you," sed kazz sadly., to his secretary beat bandit. "This is the powre of my final power."

And then kazz used the power of his final power.

Cid's Dynamite Limit Break - Final Fantasy VII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEmnzSIy2Go#ws)

Beat Badnit was huamn.

The Day continues under the burning daylight. The sun flickered like fire.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 09:12:30 PM
Welp!  Who wants barbecue?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 09:15:14 PM
I am going to burn you tonight
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 09:24:39 PM
I'm going to drop another HAMMERTIME on today so we have time to see some role claims and get this thing wrapped up.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 09:25:54 PM
Well, that could have gone better. But hey, these ropes magically fell off.

Fuck it. Dynamiting Kayma.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 17, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
 :whoops:

Kayma was a Flamethrower.

Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 17, 2012, 09:30:15 PM
ok I'm kidding he was actually a Thing.

 :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8nT8F.gif)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Woooooo. That leaves one dynamite.

Please choose to use it between Destil, Gahitsu, or Zara. Then our flamethrowers should torch the other two in the night (assuming one of them is not the second flamer, obv) and we should be finished by morning.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 09:35:04 PM
God damn you, Friday. Worst page break ever.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 17, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
Waiting for them to participate would be nice, in case they are willing to step forward with anything that could help put us on the right track.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 17, 2012, 09:39:07 PM
ok I'm going to bed now please stop murdering each other for a sec
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 09:41:58 PM
Okay, here's my list:

Geo - Tested, maybe still human. Also, not Geo anymore. Good first turn turn, though. So possible.
Caithness - Human as all fuck
Kazz - Human for sake of argument. I'm trusting him, and I really wanted to explode his ass. No homo.
gahitsu - Asked such a naive question that as of yesterday I'd guess human unless turned last night.
Lottel - Dead. Thing.
Destil - ?
Kayma - Dead. Thing.
Friend - Also going to go with human, unless outing himself as a flamer was just very clever.
Ocksi - Very likely human
Sharkey - Totally human over here.
Zara - ?
Beat - Dead. Human. I also figured him for a probable thing, for what it's worth.

Given all that, we've got Zara and Dest as most probables. !Geo and gha are possible. We have two flames, one dynamite, and one test. We can bring this home right now. We're fucked if we don't get it by nightfall, but it'll be a scholar's mate if we do.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 17, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Alright Sharkey, you've done a pretty good job of convincing me you're a human there.

Now I want to make very certain that Friend is not "just very clever".
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
If we don't win by tonight, we can safely throw that entire list out the window.  So I'd really rather not test the people on it that we're fairly certain of.

I vote Zaratustra.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 09:52:10 PM
Shit, y'know, we're only assuming we have two flames for tonight.  It's entirely possible one of them got snagged last night.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 09:57:14 PM
Look, I can understand why you would want to verify my claim. However, I am in a vulnerable position and would prefer if we didn't waste our test confirming what I already know, considering I'm a high risk turn. Therefore, I would prefer to test Destil, Gahitsu, or Zaratustra.

I'm also going to use my Hammertime.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Shit, y'know, we're only assuming we have two flames for tonight.  It's entirely possible one of them got snagged last night.
That would be really shitty luck. We can also get around that, possibly. We can have the other flamethrower out himself, use the test on him or myself, and the confirmed innocent can kill the other flamethrower. I wouldn't recommend that plan, though, because the odds of that being the case of 1/10. And we will have just murdered an innocent flamethrower.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 17, 2012, 10:00:52 PM
Why would a turned flamethrower bother outing himself?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 17, 2012, 10:04:42 PM
...that's how you can tell I did not think that plan through.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 17, 2012, 10:05:37 PM
all aboard the SS HASTY
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 11:00:18 PM
Well, between all of us we have a shitload of hammertimes to spare. I suggest we use them as necessary, because tonight is the fucking time. Let's do this rundown again.

Dead as fuck:
Lot (Thing)
Kayma (Thing)
Guy with the annoying sig (whoopsie daisy!)

Definitely Motherfucking Human
Caith

Very Probably Motherfucking Human:
Sharkey (oh shit violating NPOV)

Probably human:
Kazz (got the wrong guy, but I bet on Beat myself, and at at least he wasn't armed. If he played me, he deserves to win.)
Ocksi (You got us into this full disclosure mess, but you blew up the right guy, so w/e.)

Maybe human:
Friend (Says he's got a flamethrower. I'm inclined to believe him. Also got us into this mess.)

Kinda-sorta-maybe human:
gahitsu (Asked some silly, non-thingy questions and then shut up.)
!Geo (Tested. Popped in once since then. Possible first turn turn.)

Most likely not human:
Zara
destil


And in that mess we've got one liar. We've got at least one flame, and possibly a dynamite. Two kills and one test, even with bad luck. We can do this shit.

Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 17, 2012, 11:09:03 PM
You forgot Aoko again.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 11:10:58 PM
I got !geo last time. Edited accordingly.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 17, 2012, 11:24:56 PM
For what it's worth, I'm voting to test Zara. Not that getting the thing tied makes any difference at this point. A thing with a stick chucking it would be game over, anyway. Just seems like a slightly more likely thing than dest, after going over the thread. And I might be incommunicado for a bit while I catch a plane.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 18, 2012, 01:26:03 AM
God damn theroycrafting driven all-ins.

Friday: if both flames burn the same person, do we know they were doubletapped the next morning or do we only get that player X died?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 18, 2012, 01:33:11 AM
Also, I'm dropping my own hammertime. Need to think this one out, don't want a repeat of that wizarding incident.

(I rather like that rule and may well steal it for TT mafia if we ever play again)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Niku on October 18, 2012, 02:12:02 AM
OKAY GUYS WE GET IT YOU'RE TOO LEGIT TO QUIT
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Beat Bandit on October 18, 2012, 03:30:59 AM
Ron Burgundy - That Escalated Quickly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI#ws)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Zaratustra on October 18, 2012, 06:39:19 AM
OK, sure. If I don't get checked someone's going to flamethrow me tonight.

Zaratustra.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 18, 2012, 08:38:56 AM
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Friday: if both flames burn the same person, do we know they were doubletapped the next morning or do we only get that player X died?

The latter.

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Also, I'm dropping my own hammertime. Need to think this one out, don't want a repeat of that wizarding incident.

(I rather like that rule and may well steal it for TT mafia if we ever play again)

Feel free. I for one heartily endorse it; playing without time limits seemed to result in days that took weeks, and playing with harsh 24 or even 48 hour hard caps made it very difficult for the innocents to discover information sometimes. "Hammertime" gives the players enough freedom to fully explore each day while also preventing days that go on for weeks without anyone doing anything out of fear/apathy.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 18, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
Well, since no one's talking:

The last dynamite should reveal, so I don't blow them up with this stick I'm holding, because I'm throwing it as soon as they do.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 04:22:30 PM
That means you're the last dynamite. The other flamethrower should reveal.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 18, 2012, 05:21:33 PM
The last dynamite should reveal, so I don't blow them up with this stick I'm holding, because I'm throwing it as soon as they do.

There's four dynamites, countpro.  Me, Sharkey, and Ocksi all threw ours.

I'm betting you don't even have one and you're at the top of the suspect list anyway.

Last actual dynamite should hit Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 18, 2012, 05:59:47 PM
Is it safe to assume that Lottel and Kayma were the 2 original Things? I seem to remember getting a message about which night they were turned when we killed turned Things last game.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 18, 2012, 06:07:28 PM
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Is it safe to assume that Lottel and Kayma were the 2 original Things?

No.

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I seem to remember getting a message about which night they were turned when we killed turned Things last game.

I post the master list at the end, detailing when players were turned, but until then, it's impossible to tell.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 18, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Okay, I must have been thinking of Vampires then.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 18, 2012, 06:59:27 PM
Hah! I didn't count Ocksi's dynimite starting this whole crazy chain of events.

I'm blowing up Aoko. Sorry, but I can read gahitsu and I'm pretty sure she's clean.

Let's test Zara and reel this one in.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 07:44:54 PM
are you shitting me
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 07:45:13 PM
Hey everyone, torch Destil tonight.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 07:45:44 PM
Zara I guess.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 18, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
Why are we voting for Zaratustra? Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
someone will torch him either way, hopefully. We still need to know if the second burn needs to happen to Zara or Gahitsu.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 18, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
Geo/Aoko isn't the worst dynamite choice.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 18, 2012, 09:19:15 PM
The last Thing is in captivity.

The Galaxy is at peace.

 :perfect:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 18, 2012, 09:19:32 PM
jk Aoko was a Flamethrower

 :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: A on October 18, 2012, 09:39:48 PM
You dumb motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 18, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
Hey don't lump me in with them. Anyways, we should all probably vote for destil now, just to confirm his thingitude.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Geo/Aoko isn't the worst dynamite choice.
actually, was totally the absolute worst dynamite choice.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 18, 2012, 10:21:14 PM
Destil.

If Friend is for truth our flamethrower, the game rests on a coin flip if Destil isn't guilty: Zara or Gahitsu.

If someone not Friend is a flamethrower, burn Friend tonight to win it.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 05:25:18 AM
Geo/Aoko isn't the worst dynamite choice.
actually, was totally the absolute worst dynamite choice.

YES I ATE MY WORDS ALREADY THX
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 19, 2012, 06:52:58 AM
God damn it.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 08:27:02 AM
The three players you should have considered targets have been repeated over and over and over. I'm glad you can't pay enough attention to not just throw the game away. Bravo.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
I mean, play that stupid just likely means you're a thing. But if you're somehow not, I cannot believe we actually made it to the brink of winning with someone too mentally deficient to read a thread.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 08:33:12 AM
i can believe it!

this was fated to be a failure as soon as the players were given free will
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 09:03:37 AM
The three players you should have considered targets have been repeated over and over and over. I'm glad you can't pay enough attention to not just throw the game away. Bravo.

Wasn't he one of those three, though?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 19, 2012, 09:13:42 AM
How do we even know that the thing is one of those three, anyways? If the last thing was the turned thing, couldn't it potentially be anyone?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
The three players you should have considered targets have been repeated over and over and over. I'm glad you can't pay enough attention to not just throw the game away. Bravo.

Wasn't he one of those three, though?
Well, yes. But he's clearly stupid enough that blowing himself up would've been a benefit to us.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
How do we even know that the thing is one of those three, anyways? If the last thing was the turned thing, couldn't it potentially be anyone?
It could potentially be anyone, yes. That's why we were using dynamite to ferret out likely targets, leaving us with two flamethrowers to clean up the mess. Chances were good for them to hit a dynamite (2/5) or a vanilla innocent (2/5). With three relatively confirmed innocents, any dynamite making incredibly stupid plays (with regards to the innocents) is likely a Thing, the same way anyone using a bonus test very stupidly is likely a Thing.

Destil is our most likely choice for last remaining Thing, since he played so damned stupidly. That said, if we don't burn the Thing tonight, we're done, as they will be turning what is now our only Flamethrower and the innocents will have no way to kill a Thing from here on. Had Destil used his dynamite on Zara (or Gahitsu), we could reasonably assume he was innocent because he was playing to the innocents' strength. We would also know for certain what one of those were via dynamite result, used our test to examine the other. Then we would have confirmation of everyone's roles, roughly.

If going through everyone that way didn't reveal the last Thing, the two flamethrowers could go through the remaining four (Four dead from dynamite, two flamethrowers, two confirmed) players, giving us two 25% chances to hit the target. On top of that, the reasonable supposition that Sharkey was human, as he blew up a Thing as well, increases those odds to 33% for each flamer. After the end of day test, we'd actually have another confirmed as well, increasing the odds to 50% for each flamer, or, more realistically 100% if they coordinated.

If Destil isn't a Thing, he's certainly a Thing-Sympathizer.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 10:07:40 AM
Destil
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 10:12:10 AM
well wait

if Destil really were a Thing, he'd have seen no harm in bombing one of our primary targets.

unless he somehow figured out Aoko was a flamer.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 10:22:24 AM
Destil is either a Thing too stupid to realize he could just go along with our plan to win or an innocent stupid enough to have just cost us the game.

We need to know which and that should narrow us down to two targets, anyway. Then it's just up to Friend (or the Real Second Flamethrower) to make a judgement call and we'll see what the world looks like tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 10:23:13 AM
Well, Friend is now very nearly confirmed human, because if he were a turned Flamethrower the Things would already have won.

Zaratustra had 5 votes on him before Ocksi switched his to Destil, but I don't know if Friday wants to count that or not.

Looks like we have a 1 out of 6 chance of winning tonight, depending on who Friend torches.

Ocksi
Kazz
Sharkey
Destil
Zaratustra
gahitsu

I guess it improves to 1/5 after the test. I kind of want to test Ocksi for suggesting this whole crazy plan in the first place.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 10:25:32 AM
Also if my count is correct, everyone still alive has already voted.

Zaratustra - 3 (Sharkey, Zaratustra, Destil)
Friend - 1 (gahitsu)
Destil - 3 (Friend, Ocksi, Kazz)
Ocksi - 1 (Caithness)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 10:26:25 AM
What is crazy about my plan? After hitting the first Thing with dynamite on day 2, if everyone works together, the innocents are guaranteed victory by morning! That's why games like this are usually random numbers of roles: so you can't find the exact moment where you have exactly the right tools to definitively win the game. With a set number of players, Day 2 with one thing down guarantees the innocents have the resources to mathematically eliminate all possible targets.

Crazy, I know.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
It would have worked on Day 1, but the fact that there has been a turn makes a lot of the assumptions your plan was based on invalid.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 10:50:46 AM
caithness are you compelled to be paranoid

so far you've been alternately convinced that Friend, Sharkey, and Ocksi are all Things.

can you calm the hell down
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 11:24:03 AM
The only one of those I was convinced on was Sharkey. And I think I've been calm despite my paranoia. I just don't want to be like "Oh man I didn't even THINK of that!" when I end up losing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
It would have worked on Day 1, but the fact that there has been a turn makes a lot of the assumptions your plan was based on invalid.
Can't throw dynamite on day 1. The only assumption it makes is that a flamethrower has not been turned. Everything else comes down to players just acting in the innocents' best interest. With an all-in like this, it's also in the Things' best interest to play to the plan, if there's a chance they won't be discovered in doing so. It's when Things act stupid that they get caught. Worked for Lottel and it should work for Destil, as well.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 19, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Holy fucking shit, what. With Friend being the only Flamethrower left, possibly, I guess one way or the other by the end of the night?
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
I guess I just fail to see how Destil's choice of target was any stupider than Kazz or Sharkey's. Beat Bandit and Kayma could just has easily have been flamethrowers based on the information they had.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 19, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
As far as my target: . Sharky and Ocksi both blew up things, so they're out. Caithness was tested human. Friend is claimed a flamethrower.

That leaves myself, gahitsu, Zara and geo/Aoko. Zara had votes already, so test Zata, kill Aoko was the logical choice.

I may have gambled the game on my ability to read gahistu, but I'm 100% sure she's a human right now. Yesterday she told me IRL she "knew Lottel was a thing and was going to push for him." I've both seen her make such proclamations in mafia as an innocent after the fact. Apologies to Friday as I'm not 100% sure to get you a transcript of an exchange like that (and for my part I just nodded and didn't say anything).

Like I said, let's test Zata and end this thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 19, 2012, 12:06:51 PM
And for my money, if we lose from here it's because Ocksi's a mad genius who bussed Lottel, then used that to convince everyone to go crazy. Or Sharky or a very clever opportunist. Those were some amazingly accurate dynamite tosses...
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
Well, it was kind of obvious that Lottel was a Thing. But Kayma? Where did the idea to target him come from? (Kazz told me it was originally his idea, by the way.)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 12:29:03 PM
There's nothing amazing about mine: a player made an incredibly dumb move, so I busted his balls for it.

Sharkey's and Kazz's dynamites WERE arbitrary. They both picked targets from the list of untested players, however.

Your dynamite was boneheaded because you not only dynamited a player who had been tested, you didn't do the one basic thing we needed (wait for the other flamethrower to claim). After deciding to quite literally blow your load early, you then managed to hit not only someone we knew had been tested, but also who happened to be the flamethrower.

Whether you agreed with my strategy or not, once Friend committed to it in public, we really had to go all-in.

You then not playing with the team's strategy is easily the worst possible move for the innocent team. We've gone from nailing the thing 100% to at best a 1/3 shot at it. So if you're not a thing, you're just dumb.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 19, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
I forgot to mention who I'm killing tonight.

If we don't test Destil today, I will kill Destil.

If we test Destil and he's innocent, I will choose randomly among
Sharkey
Kazz
Gahitsu
Zaratustra

Why did I include Sharkey and Kazz?
Because Caithness seems to think that one of the dynamites are undercover things. I did have to acknowledge the possibility of such a situation, so Sharkey and Kazz are also at risk of being burned tonight.
I included Gahitsu and Zaratustra because they were the original suspects in Ocksi's game plan.

I didn't include Ocksi, because I don't think he's a thing. If he is a thing, though, I'm not going to get in the way of his win. This plan was too goddamn convoluted and over the top for a thing to bother with and it would be a shame not to give the win to him. 

If you want to give input on my plan, feel free, but take into account that the only person whose opinion I can completely trust as human is Caithness', so his opinion will be weighted more than yours.

Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 01:03:21 PM
Destil:

Mine and Sharkey's tosses were fairly arbitrary and yes we could have easily blown the game ourselves.  That's just the nature of the all-in strategy.  The fact that we were in such a good position after the tosses was dumb luck, but we had all the information you needed at that point to make a better decision.  I personally had Geo/Aoko about fourth on the suspect list, after Zara, Gahitsu, and you, because he would have been a good (or as it happens, excellent) choice for a first-turn conversion by the Things.  Which means if we had three extra dynamite, I would have given the big green-light on throwing at him/her.

Friend:

Well, we lose.  You realize that you HAVE TO hit the Thing tonight or it's game over, right?  Sharkey and I are SHIT choices.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 19, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
Of course I realize I have to hit the thing, but how do I know one of you isn't turned? Caithness seemed to believe that thing Sharkey blew up his partner to secure his thing status. While I admit that it's not likely that's the case, it isn't any more unlikely than Gahitsu or Zaratustra being the thing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 19, 2012, 01:18:42 PM
All out of my hands at this point. I'm not too concerned with my chances at this point, really, at least if we test Zara. From where I'm standing he has to be the last thing, I know I'm human and I'm as certain as I've ever been about my read on Gahistu.

If we lose other than that it's because we went all in on a plan that required the things to not possibly have acted in a certain way. Nothing I could do about that.

Fire it up. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eYmlStCU8k")
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 01:22:38 PM
How many Hammertimes have been used/how much time do we have left? I'm not sure if I want to use mine or if I just want to get the game over with.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 19, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
There was plenty you could do about it. Like not blowing up our flamethrower.

We've used three hammetimes, so we should have an extra 24 to go.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 19, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
If you want to get this game over with, we can just vote for Zaratustra and I can go ahead and torch Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 19, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
I would like to hear what Zara has to say, but I think in order to increase my perceived chances of winning I'll have to vote for Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 19, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
i'm just about at the point where i hate my team so much that i hope we lose.  so i guess i'll be happy either way.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 12:40:43 AM
Jesus wept. I go away for a day and then this. This shit was practically a lock.

Hammerzeit! Just in case we need it.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 12:56:09 AM
Alright, if I ever had a fault it was underestimating the goddamn idiocy of the common man. And the common man in this case is Destil. He's either absolutely fucking retarded, or a not-particularly-smart thing doing an excellent job pretending to be absolutely fucking retarded. Honestly, that would be such a dumb move for a thing that I wouldn't even advocate the test except that... hell, it was so fucking thick that the possibility exists that he thought we might not test him for it. Really, it was that stupid, and taking it any further would be some kind of reverse-Vizzini.

Friend: A minimum of analysis would reveal that so far both Kazz and I have made sub-optimal moves for things, and optimal moves for humans. Kazz hit a human, but it was also one of the humans highest on the list who happened to have me tied up, and yeah, we both tried to get Caith to lay off before making that decision. We agreed on hitting Kayma afterward, and it worked out.

Anyway, even after Ok committed us to this ludicrous all-in strategy, that double bomb wouldn't have been the optimum move for even one remaining thing. There would have been far more ambiguity over who was armed with what, and room to argue. Unless Kazz was damn near certain that I was going to somehow get him tested when the only confirmed human was positive that I was a thing (and still entertains the possibility) then there wasn't much sense in collusion. That'd be getting into some serious Moriarty shit, honestly. The possibility exists that Kazz and I are some brilliant-human/desperate-thing combination, either way around. I wouldn't bet on it, so even if you're going to coinflip this shit I would consider weighting the probability a bit more. You know why I whimsically wanted to kill Kazz early on? Because he's fucking smart. Probably the same reason Caith doesn't trust me right now, ironically enough. Hell, if Kazz is a thing I'd actually be disappointed right now, unless he's doing some bizarre thing where he actually lowered his chance of winning because it was more important that I personally facilitated the win. Which is romantic, but there are limits to even my vanity. If Caith weren't double confirmed he'd be higher on my list at this point.

This has already descended into imbecilic self destruction. Do a test on Dest and then... just what the fuck ever.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 01:17:45 AM
If Dest turns out to be human, my money's on G. Not a lot of money, mind you. Because he already blew the bank. I'm just more inclined to believe that he's a double-idiot at this point, logical fallacy be damned. The alternatives are that Zara wins by being mostly quiet, Ok wins through a strategic sacrifice, Kazz wins by conning me and actually playing worse unless you account for a convoluted meta-meta game, Friend wins by lying about the flamethrower and magically being unchallenged by the real one, etc. Any of the alternatives are better than an idiot or the guy who conned the idiot.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 03:02:52 AM
Actually, you know what? I let emotion get the better of me there. After looking back it seems more plausible that Dest is just a human moron. Switching my vote back to Zara. If I'm wrong there we can still have a great little argument over whether to burn Gha or Dest. Hell, at this point I'd like to see them throwing each other under the bus. So hey, I still get to have at least a little petty vengeance.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 20, 2012, 05:02:45 AM
There'll be no bussing from me. As a vanilla, I have no active role to play in the game and as one of the three (four?) main suspects, I have no say in the proceedings. Watching the hysterics unfold over Very Serious Internet Games has been 100% worth the price of admission for me anyhow.

 :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: gahitsu on October 20, 2012, 05:12:55 AM
I do want to say that if Thing Oksi wins, I'll give him a blowjob, but if Thing Zara wins, I'm going to kick him in the nuts.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 20, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Could someone tally up the votes again? 8 players left means we need 5 to test.

EDIT:

looks like Zara has 4 and Destil has 3, with Friend still voting Ocksi.

Is this correct? Someone double check please.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 20, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
I've got Zara at 3 and Destil at 4, with Friend still voting gahitsu.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 20, 2012, 09:52:16 AM
Either I missed Sharkey switching off of Zaratustra in the first place, or he never did.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 20, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
I've got it at:
3- Zaratustra (Sharkey, Zaratustra, Destil)
4 -Destil (Kazz, Ocksi, Caithness, Friend)
1 - Friend (Gahitsu)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 20, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
Zara

i do think he's more likely.  if not him, flame Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 20, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Switch to Zara and end this shitshow.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 20, 2012, 01:04:23 PM
Friend: A minimum of analysis would reveal that so far both Kazz and I have made sub-optimal moves for things, and optimal moves for humans. Kazz hit a human, but it was also one of the humans highest on the list who happened to have me tied up, and yeah, we both tried to get Caith to lay off before making that decision. We agreed on hitting Kayma afterward, and it worked out.

You seem to think that I chose you and Kazz based on what his suspicions in the thread. I should have been more clear. Caithness PMed me explicitly telling me to kill you or Kazz tonight. Sorry for any ambiguity.

EDIT: I posted before I finished writing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 01:23:35 PM
Have you been watching Caith in this thread? His suspicions have been consistently, absolutely wrong. Actually, he's a hilariously accurate human detector. I gave you sound reasoning. Go ahead, fuck this up. You all deserve to die at this point.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 20, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
I wasn't saying that to disprove you or anything. I was just trying to explain why I was originally going to coinflip the kill. Not like it matters now, since I'm killing Destil anyways. (Assuming Zaratustra is innocent)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Oh, well. That's alright then.

Let's get this over with so we can finally discover that Kazz was playing insane gambit roulette or whatever.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 20, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Zara is tested human.

Night roles.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 20, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
Destil is burned alive in the night.

As he runs screaming through the halls of the compound, you notice that --

oh shit hold on I forgot the oven is still on
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 20, 2012, 02:02:36 PM
Anyway, you notice he's --

Yes Mom I'm busy right now

oh

oh a kitty video?

sure I'll go look at it
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friday on October 20, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
Innocent Victory.

Geo/Aoko - Flame
Caithness
Kazz - Dynamite
gahitsu
Lottel - Thing
Destil - Dynamite - Assimilated Night 1
Kayma - Thing
Friend - Flame
Ocksi - Dynamite
Sharkey - Dynamite
Zara
Beat

Thanks for playing, all!
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 20, 2012, 02:15:36 PM
Holy shit.

 ::(:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 20, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
...You know, I just wanted to burn Destil out of petty spite. BUT, I'm actually pretty surprised that he was the thing. My favorite part of this game was how no one listened to Ocksi's plan, but we won anyways. Just goes to show you: with the power of teamwork, we can overcome any obstacle. Good game everyone.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 20, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
The only two people who didn't listen to my plan that mattered were Aoko and Destil. Destil being a Thing makes sense; Aoko doesn't. Once you revealed and forced the dynamite to blow it all up, my plan was finished.

I would also like to thank the Things for playing like absolute retards. Protip: the only two conditions for the extra test? Don't re-test someone on Day 2 and don't test another Thing. Anything else seems completely legit.

Also, if you're the last Thing and you have a dynamite and everyone is urging you to blow up SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS INNOCENT do it. It is way less suspicious than flying in the face of the people you're trying to make believe are your friends.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 20, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
Hahahaha, good game everyone. I don't feel as foolish as I potentially could, since I did vote to test Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 20, 2012, 07:18:04 PM
Hahahaha, good game everyone. I don't feel as foolish as I potentially could, since I did vote to test Destil.

we're just lucky that nobody took you seriously
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kayma on October 20, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
Boo.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Lottel on October 20, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
Yeah, this was on me. Sorry Kayma. I was actually busy when I got the test and just tested the last name suggested.

Probably could have done that a little better.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Caithness on October 20, 2012, 09:52:13 PM
I think it's really hard for the Things to win without everybody self-testing.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 20, 2012, 11:05:58 PM
I would also like to thank the Things for playing like absolute retards. Protip: the only two conditions for the extra test? Don't re-test someone on Day 2 and don't test another Thing. Anything else seems completely legit.
If the assumption is that it's always sub-optional (an, in fact, a kill able offense) to re-test someone then the things are just going to always prefer to convert a day one test, however.

Actually, you know what? I let emotion get the better of me there. After looking back it seems more plausible that Dest is just a human moron. Switching my vote back to Zara. If I'm wrong there we can still have a great little argument over whether to burn Gha or Dest. Hell, at this point I'd like to see them throwing each other under the bus. So hey, I still get to have at least a little petty vengeance.
This is the exact reason I acted as I did, I was hoping Friend would come to this conclusion and kill Gahitsu. Killing an innocent I'd be high on the flame list and have to dodge three flames and win a coinfip (since Gahistu has also basically revealed to me she wasn't a flame, I had it down to zara and Ako). I liked my odds better having to only have the town make one misplay (especially since killing a non-flamer innocent would just shrink my hiding pool), since Zara was already on the table for testing I didn't feel I had much of a choice. Preferred the odds that Friend would make one wrong move over the odds that friend and the second flame would make a total of three. If I killed Gahistu and you tested Zara the optimal moves for you guys becomes flame Sharky, Ako and Myself in any order, add in any number of tests tomorrow and I lose that sequence.

I don't think the game's unwinnable for the things, but with one thing killed on day two the odds go way down.

For what it's worth I've have killed Kayma myself if someone killed Beat Bandit first.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 21, 2012, 02:05:45 AM
Ahh that does make sense from your perspective. Y'know, I really considered you a clueless innocent, but I figured on the off chance that you were a thing, I would never want you to even have a chance at winning. That's why when I revealed who I would be burning, both options had you getting caught, either by burning, or a scan.  Also, the four way coin flip was essentially a red herring. Considering Kazz, Sharkey, and Gahitsu would have nothing to lose by voting  Zaratustra(or potentially anyone, it just made sense to vote for him because he was the vote leader) and much to lose by voting for Destil, I was implicitly leaving the door open to test whoever they thought was most guilty.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 21, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
I would also like to thank the Things for playing like absolute retards. Protip: the only two conditions for the extra test? Don't re-test someone on Day 2 and don't test another Thing. Anything else seems completely legit.
If the assumption is that it's always sub-optional (an, in fact, a kill able offense) to re-test someone then the things are just going to always prefer to convert a day one test, however.

So what if they do? Innocent players have a better shot finding a Thing with the narrowed testing pool (second day, there are at least two Things among a shrinking untested player pool). Things turn someone every night, whether it's someone who was tested or wasn't. Day Two is a bit early to begin retesting. If Innocents are going to start retesting, that soon, they've given up.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 21, 2012, 01:25:09 PM
Post-game analysis, I guess. Looking forward to hearing from everyone else on this.

Dest's bombing still seems illogical in retrospect. From a thing's point of view there was still a pool of unknowns that included himself, Zara, Gha, and to a lesser degree Aok, Kazz, and Myself. With only two flame kills (and only one that the innocents were counting on) and a test that night there was a small but definitely non-zero chance that he might not be tested or burned. Especially with some fast talking. He might well have got Gha to bat for him with the rest of us privately.

As opposed to chucking an undeclared bomb and hitting an innocent, which absolutely guaranteed a test and/or burning, especially if he hit a flame thrower (was that a deduction, by the way? I had Aok pegged as likely for that, but sure as fuck wasn't going to share the conclusion. Especially given that from my standpoint there wasn't a good way of guessing between human-flamer and flamer-thing.) Figuring that out would have been smart, but doing it anyway equally dumb.

From a metagame standpoint it made so little sense that it almost seemed easier to believe that he was just being innocently stupid (especially after seeing so much of that in this game.) Testing Zara first didn't make any quantitative difference provided Dest got burned, but he actually seemed almost more likely at that point. Again, this is my first game, and if I've learned anything it's that I give way too much weight to people playing rationally with the information they have, even while playing irrationaly myself in the early game when there's nothing to go on and it doesn't particularly matter. killkazzkillkazznohomokillkazz

Also, Caith is a very, very silly person.

Aok not identifying also seems odd in hindsight, but on the off chance we didn't get the last thing there are a couple scenarios where that might have possibly provided a slim advantage. Whether or not that would have conveyed a greater one than everyone identifying and possibly sparking an argument is difficult to quantify. Identifying would have narrowed the pool and reduced the chances of being randomly killed, but would have left more ambiguity over which flame got turned the next day. Hard call.

Also, I still think Ok's all-in was very risky. It probably provided an advantage this time around, but if this is an iterative experiment it's a trojan horse strategy in that it'd probably only work that well with the same pool of players the first time.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Ocksi on October 21, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
I stand by going all-in in any situation where you have enough kills and tests to cover every possible suspect in the game in one turn if you know exactly how many targets you have, especially because it's only a matter of time until you're down to one flamethrower, which means you can't kill faster than the Things turn. We just happened to hit that point very early.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Esperath on October 21, 2012, 01:49:00 PM
From a spectator's perspective, this game was a fantastic read.  In fact, all three of the standard Thing games (ignoring the wonky rules from Thing3) were awesome.

I'm curious how the meta would favor multiple iterations of the day 2 all-in.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 21, 2012, 02:15:49 PM
The 'coinflip' I'm referring to are my odds of killing/converting the second flame, who I at that point knew was either Zara or Ako. I needed to do that to win.

Ocksi's entirely right that all-in is in your favor once the numbers are in your advantage. Once Lottel was dead you guys had this in the bag, and you ran with it, so good for you. I don't know if that's a bug or a feature in the ruleset, though (I think I'd personally prefer a slight random variation on the number of dynimite, even something as small as 4-5).
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 21, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
I stand by going all-in in any situation where you have enough kills and tests to cover every possible suspect in the game in one turn if you know exactly how many targets you have, especially because it's only a matter of time until you're down to one flamethrower, which means you can't kill faster than the Things turn. We just happened to hit that point very early.

I also agree, from a raw numbers perspective. In fact, I clapped for it. The problem is that it assumes rational play, or at the very least a minimum of metagaming to work optimally. It may not have worked out if not for the fact that the things actually played pretty damn foolishly. Not that Caith wasn't almost goofy enough to make up for it. I just looked over this again and I'm still boggling at very nearly everything he said. If he weren't a double confirmed human he would have been instantly burned.

Still, the odds at the time dictated it to be sound, and it worked even with a number of monkey wrenches. I'd almost advocate doing a game with unknown assets to mitigate that somewhat, but I think that'd probably just make the outcome more arbitrary rather than making social factors and dumbassery more relevant.

The 'coinflip' I'm referring to are my odds of killing/converting the second flame, who I at that point knew was either Zara or Ako. I needed to do that to win.

Except it would have been more logical to let things shake out with a small chance of survival and then taken a shot at converting a flame on a coinflip, rather than collapsing the whole thing to zero with a bomb on one of the less likely candidates. In fact, even if you made that mistake, a bomb on zara would have aroused slightly less suspicion. I still don't see how the move made any sense, other than "Wow, that was so stupid we'll put off killing him for half a second while we test the other guy."
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Esperath on October 21, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
Thing3 had variable Things and assets, but as it turns out, even a slight tweak can cause game balance to swing pretty wildly.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 21, 2012, 02:22:38 PM
Yeah, that's unsurprising. After my first subjective experience I'd hardly call these things deterministic, but maybe it'd be more better with a larger player pool and/or more initial factors that remain non-random.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: A on October 21, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
You should try Vampires vs Werewolves, Sharkey. It's the clusterfuckiest of the clusterfucks.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Friend on October 21, 2012, 03:40:47 PM
Except it would have been more logical to let things shake out with a small chance of survival and then taken a shot at converting a flame on a coinflip, rather than collapsing the whole thing to zero with a bomb on one of the less likely candidates. In fact, even if you made that mistake, a bomb on zara would have aroused slightly less suspicion. I still don't see how the move made any sense, other than "Wow, that was so stupid we'll put off killing him for half a second while we test the other guy."

That could have possibly won him the game, though, depending on who was the flamethrower. Unfortunately for Destil, I was pretty dead set on burning him. But, if I recall, you were the one who came to the conclusion that Destil was a dumb human, a conclusion that I also felt was extremely plausible. If I weren't so petty, I might have chosen Gahitsu to burn instead of Destil.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 21, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
I mostly just wanted to see Destil and Gha argue a bit before we burned Destil anyway. Seriously, that nonsense actually made me want to see him squirm more than just die.

So, yeah, so much for rationality, but that shit was practically insulting. I guess that's another factor.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 21, 2012, 03:58:43 PM
You should try Vampires vs Werewolves, Sharkey. It's the clusterfuckiest of the clusterfucks.

I'll definitely throw in for the next one. Ideally I'd like to see it from the actual monster side at some point without just projecting, but then, now that I've said that someone's probably going to use "Sharkey said he wanted to be a monster! Burn him!"

So that's fun, too.

But really, this was easy mode. It must be a blast trying to put together an impenetrable argument that reaches an untrue conclusion while taking into account what your opponents can conceivably know for certain and what their innate and irrational biases might be. Or keeping quiet and letting people fuck up. I'll be playing more, I think.

And yeah, sorry for calling a bunch of you stupid. Repeatedly. With occasional appended profanity. That's pretty much the best indicator that I'm having a good time. I was occasionally thick, myself. If I replayed this I would have held off on that initial arbitrary free test. People say way the fuck more than they intend to, even in the random phase of the game. Not just in Lot and Kayma's late votes, but in how they were delivered.

That scene from War Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo#)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Destil on October 21, 2012, 07:40:15 PM
Ultimately my biggest failure was one of player psychology, as people really wanted to see me burn just because I blew ou the second flame. Should have counted on that a bit more.

Sharky: You can't really take anything anyone ever says in wolf/mafia personally, I've learned. Some games the optimal play is just to be an abrasive asshole (or to try and look like the village idiot and hope no one sees through it).
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 21, 2012, 09:46:10 PM
Some games the optimal play is just to be an abrasive asshole (or to try and look like the village idiot and hope no one sees through it).

Or both.

 :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 22, 2012, 05:52:17 AM
My initial strategy was to draw attention to myself and attempt to get turned, as I had dynamite and would therefore be a huge asset to the Things.

When I didn't get turned on Night 1, I tried to avoid hitting endgame on Day 2 because Ocksi's plan was a risk sandwich with risk sauce.  But once Friend claimed, I realized it was all-or-nothing, and I was too valuable to the innocents to hold my stick.

Besides, I didn't want to give Sharkey a real excuse to blow me up.
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Sharkey on October 23, 2012, 11:00:10 PM
So you collaborated because you realized you were important, and I'd that I'd probably blow you up if you didn't.

(http://i.imgur.com/7KBrK.jpg)
Title: Re: Thing4 (Playing Thread)
Post by: Kazz on October 24, 2012, 10:47:22 AM
I'm the spaghetti.