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Title: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on July 21, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
Hey look it's 1885 again! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1036105/How-Chinas-taking-Africa-West-VERY-worried.html)

Great exposé article, sums up some of the issues nicely, though this has been in the works for some time now, going back to the 1970's at least (Angola etc.). We could only pray that after yet another 50 years of merciless rape and a further 50 years of Imperial Chinese Raj, that the Africans will someday find their own Sun-Yat-Sen. If the Africans even survive at all - the Mainlanders typically don't even have that nominal White Yellow Man's Burden to pay lip service to.

But you know, that's the hopeful outlook. What ho, darkies!

Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on July 21, 2008, 04:50:37 PM
"a country where the population has almost trebled from 500 million to 1.3 billion in 50 years."
 :wat:

Interesting article, though.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on July 21, 2008, 05:28:45 PM
Yeah, the rounding was a bit excessive... but not as excessive as you'd wish it was.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on July 21, 2008, 05:37:09 PM
Just so long as it's bassed on passable statistics.

I'll be damned.  Trebled actually can work that way.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Kazz on July 21, 2008, 05:38:02 PM
 :wakka:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 04, 2008, 05:02:35 PM
Some good stuff here (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/yorkblog).

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There is growing evidence, in fact, that China's official environmental numbers cannot be trusted. The actual level of air pollution in Beijing is worse than what China promised, and worse than China's official claims.

:orly:

Also, I want to hug the fellow who wrote the commentary in the Nan Feng Chuang (see the 'Patriot Games' entry).

Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Thad on September 22, 2008, 11:15:43 AM
So, it's tainted milk (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSPEK11155120080922) now.

It bears repeating that they EXECUTED their previous FDA chief over shit like this.  (I've always said the death penalty's not a deterrent...)

Anyway.  China.  What the fuck.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: McDohl on September 22, 2008, 11:51:57 AM
I heard on the news about this that the FDA chief resigned over this.  I have no link to back it up or anything, but yeah.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on September 22, 2008, 03:21:35 PM
Wow, for the first time ever I want to use my moderator powers.

Only I can't seem to find what it is you guys do to merge topics. (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=912.0)

(Was going to rename the merged thread 'China' for clarity).

 :sadpanda: :fail:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Thad on September 22, 2008, 03:31:02 PM
Should be down at the bottom, right above the "Jump to:" box.

I'd do it, but you sound so enthusiastic.

EDIT: GJ.  I changed the sub/desc to something less awkward.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on September 22, 2008, 07:00:23 PM
Huzzah. Not as much punch, but hey, if it didn't fit I should've just made that concession myself instead of trying to shoehorn it.

Brevity is not my strong suit. No, really?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Thad on September 22, 2008, 08:51:33 PM
No kidding.  You just got called on lack of brevity by ME.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Spaco on October 01, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
Surveillance of Skype Messages Found in China (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/technology/internet/02skype.html?hp)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: SCD on October 02, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
So funny thing happened the other week:

For the longest time, one of my favorite delicacies was White Rabbit Candy.  It's like hard creamy taffy, except it also has a rice paper coating which prevents you tasting the sweet goodness until the candy is sufficiently melty to melt both the rice paper, and thus the candy.  I was eating them the other day when my roomate came in and grabbed a few, asking me if this sort of stuff would kill him. 

I told him that considering it was Chinese, just being in the same room probably condemmed him of six different types of Cancer..  "Of The Ass..."

The next day, he pelts me with the remaining candies as he shows me this (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2008-09/26/content_7061881.htm).  Since then, the Vancouver based importer has carried out a voluntary recall. 

And now I have no White Rabbit...
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Kayma on October 02, 2008, 09:22:34 AM
I said wow.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on October 02, 2008, 10:25:29 AM
o/`reeeememberrrrr what the dormouse saaaaaid o/`
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: SCD on October 03, 2008, 07:16:22 PM
Wow?

Wow doesn't even begin to cover the theory that the Economist suggests is behind this whole scandal.   (http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12343910&fsrc=rss)

It puts even more meaning to "this whole issue has become nothing more than a big flaming pile of cow dung!"
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on October 03, 2008, 07:23:04 PM
I love the tone of the article.  "Until now, scientists have been unsure of the chemical's toxicity.  ...now they're sure."
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Catloaf on October 03, 2008, 07:58:30 PM
So, it's urea that just turned into that other chemical....

Me Chinese

Me play joke.

Me go pee pee in my nations milk.

Wow, that's an awful joke.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on October 03, 2008, 08:06:49 PM
...

You are in third grade!

Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Air on October 03, 2008, 08:13:03 PM
Molest man makes that post so much worse somehow.  ::D:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on October 03, 2008, 08:21:52 PM
I really do get that a lot.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Arc on January 21, 2009, 03:23:23 PM
China censors Obama's inauguration address. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090121/ap_on_re_as/as_inauguration_china_obama)

Quote from: AP
BEIJING – China censored its translation of President Barack Obama's inauguration speech, removing references to communism and dissent, and quickly halted state television's live broadcast of the address when Cold War-era animosities were mentioned.

...

The audio quickly faded out from Obama's speech and cameras cut back to the studio anchor, who seemed flustered for a second before turning to ask a U.S.-based CCTV reporter what challenges the president faces in turning around the economy.

...

"There are breakaways even when broadcasting China's own meetings," he said. "Americans might care a lot about the presidential inauguration, but Chinese may not be very interested."

The last comment reflects Gallup's finding that only 9% of those polled in China (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/gallup/) believed the election would make a difference. With this truncated delivery of information, why would they ever believe otherwise?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on January 21, 2009, 08:16:40 PM
Well they're right.  I really don't expect Obama's election to make much of a difference.  In China.

I mean unless he goes over there personally and kicks the ass of every person in Beijing.

I know a lot of people here would actually believe he'd do that.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji on January 22, 2009, 11:11:34 AM
Guess the message wasn't clear enough the first time, so it bears repeating: fuck around with your food/drug standards, and you will die (http://uk.reuters.com/article/burningIssues/idUKTRE50L0ZG20090122).
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on January 22, 2009, 11:30:20 AM
Killing two men and sparing the woman?  What kind of China is that?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Arc on January 22, 2009, 12:10:14 PM
From the image section:

(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/driftycity/ukreuterscom.jpg)

Quote from: reuters
Police gather near road blocks meant to repel Big Wheels, RC, and Tonka Trucks around Shijiazhuang Intermediate People's Court...
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on January 22, 2009, 03:48:09 PM
...wait, aren't the majority of Chinese horribly lactose intolerant?

EDIT: Turns out yes, but lactose intolerance doesn't affect infants.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Dooly on January 22, 2009, 05:39:04 PM
Wouldn't they get lactose intolerant from drinking shoddy milk all their lives?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Spaco on January 23, 2009, 12:45:04 AM
Milk is not commonly consumed in China, as dairy in general doesn't fit with Chinese culinary traditions. It has become increasingly popular in the last five to ten years, however, and is considered a luxury food.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: François on January 23, 2009, 04:05:14 AM
So right now milk is China's fugu.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Arc on January 23, 2009, 08:06:13 AM
Come on, pal. MILK ME.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Kashan on February 11, 2009, 04:48:07 PM
DEATH VANS!!! (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm)

 :humpf:

EDIT:  :slow:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: MadMAxJr on February 11, 2009, 04:51:11 PM
This one was floating around quite a bit today.  Why? (I am not saing Kashan is to blame, this turned up in an office email too.)  The article is almost three freaking years old.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Zaratustra on February 11, 2009, 04:54:38 PM
It's like the X-Seed 4000 building project everyone linked to a few months ago like it was news, despite it being more than ten years old.

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The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China "promotes human rights now," says Kang Zhongwen

 :wat:

I think the death van should just run over criminals. that'd be awesome.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Bal on February 11, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Clearly what we need in China is a great arena, where the condemned bring their own, personally customized Death Vans to compete for a pardon against the government supported and outfitted Executioners team.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Transportation on February 11, 2009, 05:56:13 PM
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The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China "promotes human rights now," says Kang Zhongwen
I would think a bullet to the head would be less painful than lethal injection.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on February 11, 2009, 05:56:41 PM
Clearly what we need in China is a great arena, where the condemned bring their own, personally customized Death Vans to compete for a pardon against the government supported and outfitted Executioners team.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Brentai/ironchefkaga_mug_av.jpg) Allez tuer!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Arc on February 15, 2009, 01:20:23 PM
A bubble in space?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8xLsQ1MIE

Oddities aside, the non-stop zooming text was what won me over.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: JDigital on February 15, 2009, 09:58:11 PM
I love this comment:

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yeah they faked it .. so what??? .. get over it .... they need the money for rice and stuff .....
nobody is perfect
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Bal on February 20, 2009, 02:11:43 AM
Yeah, man, back off. Lets see you land walk in space on that kind of budget.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on February 20, 2009, 03:00:42 AM
Waiting on Aintear.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Arc on March 09, 2009, 08:57:15 AM
Chinese ships 'harass' US vessel: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7933171.stm)

Quote from: AP
The US ship sprayed one Chinese vessel with water from fire hoses to try to force it away, it said.

But it said the Chinese crew stripped to their underwear and carried on approaching to within 25ft (8m).

:enraged: Those tightey whitey rapscallions!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Fredward on March 09, 2009, 12:56:01 PM
I really hope this doesn't start a war. Not just because that would probably end in nuclear holocaust, but even if it didn't, can you imagine having the "USNS Impeccable" being in the history books? That's almost lame enough to be a name for a Canadian ship*.

*for those less versed in Canadian history, one of our first naval vessels was called the HMCS Rainbow.  ::(:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 09, 2009, 12:59:55 PM
On the flip side, I would say that British Royal Navy ships probably have the highest overall composite level of awesomeness-of-name of any navy in the history of this earth.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on March 09, 2009, 01:27:57 PM
They've had a several hundred year start of naval history during which to cycle through all the stupidest words in the native language.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Romosome on March 09, 2009, 02:44:14 PM
I really hope this doesn't start a war. Not just because that would probably end in nuclear holocaust, but even if it didn't, can you imagine having the "USNS Impeccable" being in the history books? That's almost lame enough to be a name for a Canadian ship*.

*for those less versed in Canadian history, one of our first naval vessels was called the HMCS Rainbow.  ::(:

I wouldn't want a war started over MOONING, either.  It's already dumb enough when a ship blows up and sinks and starts a war over vague accusations of who killed everyone on board.  This would just be horribly, horribly petty and the more I think about it the less humor there is in it. =/
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 09, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
It could always be dumber. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_jenkin%27s_ear)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: SCD on March 09, 2009, 03:22:12 PM
I am almost willing to side with China in this case:  Where was the impeccible each time the Chinese encountered the vessel? 

Remember back to the time the chinese forced a US spy plane to land in China...  They don't like being spied upon, and will retaliate with grace and dignity as they have these days.



Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Royal☭ on March 09, 2009, 03:38:02 PM
I wouldn't want a war started over MOONING, either.  It's already dumb enough when a ship blows up and sinks and starts a war over vague accusations of who killed everyone on board.  This would just be horribly, horribly petty and the more I think about it the less humor there is in it. =/

But I love the Spanish-American war.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 09, 2009, 04:59:49 PM
I wouldn't want a war started over MOONING, either.  It's already dumb enough when a ship blows up and sinks and starts a war over vague accusations of who killed everyone on board.  This would just be horribly, horribly petty and the more I think about it the less humor there is in it. =/

But I love the Spanish-American war.

Bully!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: McDohl on March 09, 2009, 05:33:33 PM
I really hope this doesn't start a war. Not just because that would probably end in nuclear holocaust, but even if it didn't, can you imagine having the "USNS Impeccable" being in the history books? That's almost lame enough to be a name for a Canadian ship*.

*for those less versed in Canadian history, one of our first naval vessels was called the HMCS Rainbow.  ::(:

We're not one to talk.  We named a ship after a crazy, doddering old grandpa of an actor.  Sure he became president later, but still.

Thad, hurry up and become President so Katestory XVI can come to pass.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 29, 2009, 09:22:13 AM
So I don't know if anyone's seen this yet but Chinese spy ring exposed... spying on the Dalai Lama and exiled Tibeteans (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090328.wspy0328/BNStory/International/home).

I mean I actually find this hilarious and reassuring. Instead of any of the ten thousand more effective things they could use a muahahah diabolical international spy ring for, Chinese leadership has choosen to pander to their deluded paranoia. Not that Tibet isn't something that they have to keep tabs on, but anyone following the issue knows the Chinese leadership has completely failed to grasp any part of the the problem they face in any kind of realistic way.

Anyway, I doubt this is their only international intel ring, but still...

EDIT: Also, I predict that once again the entire planet will turn a blind eye and just let it go.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on March 29, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
Yeah, I think the global reaction is just going to be an eyeroll and a "Oh like we didn't see that coming."
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: on April 07, 2009, 04:27:35 AM
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/04/07/schoolboy-kills-8-9-year-olds-for-1/

The rest of it is "For 1 dollar"

Just... is there a huge ::(: somewhere.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on April 07, 2009, 06:35:51 AM
And he only killed two kids!  That url is all sorts of misleading!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Arc on April 12, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbuwqU9oxf4

:ohshi~: They've mastered the cortosis-weave!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Beat Bandit on April 12, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
And he only killed two kids!  That url is all sorts of misleading!
I was expecting some sort of super-saver deal. "Today only: kill eight nine-year-olds for the price of one!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on June 23, 2009, 09:38:24 AM
US files a WTO case against China (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/us-files-wto-case-against-china-over-exports/article1193429/)

So. A guantlet has finally been thrown. Granted this may come to nothing at all, it's interesting that a formal stand of any kind has finally been taken against China's longstanding double-standards in international trade.

We shall see.

One thought that I had: It's funny that this is a WTO challenge. Yes, a big part of China joining the WTO was to reap the advantages without having to reciprocate (which is pretty much what happened), but it was also very much a prestige thing.

Like the resentful fellow who wants to be a Club Member, the focus was always on getting in. Never mind those pesky rules - they don't really enforce those for the elect, do they?

Had they stayed out, there would certainly have been some negative economic consequences, but they would be mostly immune to a lot of the (quite valid) charges that have been brewing for some time.

:popcorn:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on July 06, 2009, 07:47:43 AM
China shows Iran how deadly internet-based riots vaguely blamed on the U.S. are done. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070600488.html)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji on July 06, 2009, 02:59:35 PM
I did a bit of a double-take on this one.

"Oh, a riot in China... wait 140 people killed? Nah... wait, now it's 156?" :barf:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: SCD on July 06, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
Keep in mind that your values and Chinese values are much different. 

China has to kill to keep their nation unified.  See my article on cheerful news.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on July 07, 2009, 05:04:16 PM
Now the Han are starting their own riots in protest of the Uighurs starting riots.

It's like if white males started a million man march through 1800s America.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 05, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Who who who's back in the news? (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/canadian-researchers-reveal-online-spy-ring-based-in-china/article1524228/) :whoops:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: SCD on April 06, 2010, 01:22:03 PM
When has china not been in the news?

First off, Google has learned the lessons taught by history professor and author of "To Change China" (which I have mentioned before why haven't you all read it, no a twit post doesn't count kabbage) in such a textbook manner, that I wouldn't be surprised that it would be placed in later editions of the book. 

Next of all, incompetent navigation on the part of a Chinese captain (big surprise there) is going to be the root cause of an ecological disaster of a special protected land (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/06/great-barrier-reef-ship-aground)

There's the emerging stories of Shit going Han (http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15826335), never mind that we're starting to get "not-ethnic", but modern peasant class here...

And finally the recolonization of Africa for their spoils. 

I haven't touched on the economic issues between China and America including the pegging of the Yuan, as that's really not my area of expertise, but right know I feel a cold snap coming on... 

So yeah, they really haven't left the news.  Not for a second.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 06, 2010, 01:34:28 PM
Well, okay, you're correct and I recognise all of those stories.... but those tend to be "business as usual" stories as opposed to "shit hitting the fan" stories.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on July 23, 2010, 07:27:38 PM
Read about mainland China's leading philanthropist and feel good about China for a change (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinas-top-philanthropist-gives-it-all-away/article1650447/)

:happy:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on August 16, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
China is now officially the second-largest economy in the world.

(Find a link yourself - I can't seem to find one that doesn't require a registration and/or isn't panicking about the idea that they could be richer than us someday, oh fuck.)

What does this really mean?  I'd say gear up for another Cold War but most of the mainland is actually pretty temperate.

Nah, that's a joke.

I think?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 17, 2010, 03:01:19 AM
Eh, it was inevitable due to sheer size.

Too lazy to provide a link, because I did all my reading when this story broke a week and a half ago, but on a per-citizen basis, their income is still in the toilet.

Wake me when the per capita income rises above that of buttfucknowhereistan, they show real evidence of innovation throughout their economy, or their social and environmental problems look like they're starting to get better instead of worse for a change.

Until at least ONE of those changes substantially, the US and Europe are gonna continue to rule the roost. Granted the third has shown a few small cracks recently with the 'approved' labour unrest and a slight easing of press restrictions, but man is there a long way to go before China's relationship with the rest of the world can change as much as it did in the first half of this decade. 

Meanwhile, India continues to show an earnest desire for really meaningful long-term improvement of their nation as a whole.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on August 17, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
Best of all, if India gains more prominence, the lingua franca won't change!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on October 08, 2010, 05:50:24 AM
Chinese pro-democracy dissident Professor Liu Xiaobo was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The Chinese government now faces the unenviable task of trying to keep this a secret from 1.2 billion people. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/liu-xiaobo-of-china-awarded-nobel-peace-prize/article1748944/)

Xiaobo himself is of course unavailable for comment, but you can read his last publicly available statement (http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/china_law_prof_blog/2010/02/liu-xiaobo-i-have-no-enemies-my-final-statement.html).
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on November 01, 2010, 06:08:53 AM
Anybody else heard about the "My Father is Li Gang" (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2010-10/27/c_13577445.htm) thing?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on November 01, 2010, 09:05:10 AM
No, but it seems pretty typical of the general rumblings going on lately. Where those rumblings will lead (if they lead anywhere at all) is another question entirely.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: McDohl on November 01, 2010, 09:26:23 AM
(http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/A/animelover2005/1103922216_seto_kaiba.gif) Screw the rules, my father is Li Gang!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Aintaer on November 01, 2010, 12:34:56 PM
Wake me when the per capita income rises above that of buttfucknowhereistan
...
Meanwhile, India continues to show an earnest desire for really meaningful long-term improvement of their nation as a whole.
GDP Per Capital (PPP), IMF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita)

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they show real evidence of innovation throughout their economy
"The 11th plan also introduced a distinction between hard targets (for energy efficiency, pollution and population) that officials were obliged to meet, and more indicative targets (for growth, employment and other things) that the economy was expected to meet of its own accord. And it replaced the single-minded pursuit of growth with “all-round” development, hoping to contain pollution and arrest widening economic inequalities."

Source: Economist (http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=478048&story_id=17314578)

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their social and environmental problems look like they're starting to get better instead of worse for a change.
China Leads Major Countries With $34.6 Billion Invested in Clean Technology (http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/03/25/25climatewire-china-leads-major-countries-with-346-billion-15729.html?pagewanted=1)

I realize my posting here is going to stir up all manners of fecal projectiles over bias; but hey, let's try to be a little bit objective: China, as Evil as it is, is trying to fix its issues.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Royal☭ on November 01, 2010, 05:40:45 PM
So they're spending $34 per person on clean technology.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on November 01, 2010, 06:46:38 PM
I like how Aintaer points don't really respond to mine. They're just kind of a jumping-off point to quote nice-sounding statistics and sound bites.

Okay, the per capita income is technically relevant, but the two sentences of mine you mashed together have nothing to do with a relative comparison of GDPs between India and China. Yes, India has further to go, a long time before they even catch up to China, let alone have a chance at passing them... this does not invalidate the idea that they're not wasting half so much time in arcane bullshit so deep it'd make an Elks Lodge proud. 

Anyway, the CPC can call for whatever it wants in its grandiose budget statements, but saying you're going to fund innovation or green tech is one thing and actually having your economy become significantly greener or more innovative is another thing entirely. The disconnect between statements and results is old hat for the CPC now. 

I mean, it was a running gag last month that Wen Jiabao has been calling for political and social reform but his remarks were was censored by the party. The damn Premier can't even call for change without tripping over the bureaucracy. I know that the fact that he wasn't rebuked actually means that there's a tacit sort of approval for his comments in some quarters, but the whole thing is still theatre of the absurd.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Aintaer on November 02, 2010, 11:43:16 AM
this does not invalidate the idea that they're not wasting half so much time in arcane bullshit so deep it'd make an Elks Lodge proud.
Not to be a troll but uh, source? I'm not sure what you're pointing to here. Their censorship? Human rights record? Stomping on heads-ohwait
Honestly, you point out one of China's ills is its pay parity being lower than "bumfuckistan", which may be true on average. But you then turn around and point to India as an example of what's going right? Unless you have some sort of quantitative evidence for why this is so (beyond the fact that democracies give you happy feeling in pants) I'm gonna call your argument out as bullshit.

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Anyway, the CPC can call for whatever it wants in its grandiose budget statements, but saying you're going to fund innovation or green tech is one thing and actually having your economy become significantly greener or more innovative is another thing entirely. The disconnect between statements and results is old hat for the CPC now.
We all know the CPC statements are full of shit, but the change in the tone of its shit is more the point of that "soundbite" article. You can point to any world government's statement of economic goals and claim bullshit, but this is just rhetoric. Yes, you are correct that currently, the Chinese economy is not environmentally friendly or innovative for the most part. However you are incorrect if you believe the CPC's true intention is to keep it that way and claim differently just to placate the West. In order for China to sustain growth, the paramount goal to the CPC, it needs to move beyond its current market of manufacturing and construction. As Obama has pointed out, the Green Economy is a large area of growth in modern times, and I believe China's first move of $34 billion is a step in that direction. They're certainly far behind other world economies, but they're taking bigger steps as well.

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I mean, it was a running gag last month that Wen Jiabao has been calling for political and social reform but his remarks were was censored by the party. The damn Premier can't even call for change without tripping over the bureaucracy. I know that the fact that he wasn't rebuked actually means that there's a tacit sort of approval for his comments in some quarters, but the whole thing is still theatre of the absurd.
Haha, yes the Chinese invented bureaucracy, they'd be excellent at it. The political landscape in China is pretty ridiculous. The Party would like to present itself as a solid coordinated entity, but the reality is that it is composed of people. Often when talking about China, the Party is conflated with the people of China, which is unfortunate. It is the will of the Party from which all the grandstanding and all the bullshit arises. The people have their own desires for their lives. As much as China is dominated by government policy, much more indomitable is the cultural pragmatism that's lasted much longer than any empire. As long as the people believe the government is making things better, the Party will be in power.

The Chinese people have never been idealistically unified, and hence cannot be idealistically motivated around a concept like Christianity or Democracy. Chinese religion has a pantheon of gods that fall in and out of favor by how much their worshippers believe that god is effective at giving them what they want: health, progeny, prosperity. Much is the same on the political side. It is not that the people are inherently communal (http://www.glowleaf.net/wp-content/gallery/post-pics/zerg_rush.png), it is what worked for them at that point in history. And quantitatively, looking at the past 20 years, the Party has for the most part done the people good in terms of living conditions, poverty levels, education. Why do you think Deng Xiaoping introduced mixed economy or "Communism with Chinese flavor"? Because the Party was in danger of losing control after the failures of the planned economy; it was no longer effective to the people. The "nice-sounding" statistics exist because the Party has quantitatively improved aspects of Chinese life, in contrast to the "nice-sounding" ideology that the US has introduced to Iraq.

Is the Western ideocentric view false or somehow misleading? No. But it is not what the Chinese people understand. It will not work in China. But you know what, it works here (hopefully). Individual voice, however contrary or inflammatory, serves a purpose in this ideology. And that's why, to make this ideology work here, you should all go vote.

In related news: I have begun processing my N-400 application to Naturalize. Hopefully by April of next year I will be able to vote as well!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on November 02, 2010, 01:44:14 PM
In spite of their well-known focus on appearances, I don't believe that the CPC says things just as some kind of smokescreen to throw off the west. Plans to drive change are genuine and well-intentioned. The problem is that a drive for change in some parts of the CPC does not mean change will come.

Change is more than just statements and plans, there's a cultural and social aspect to it. A desire, a drive. You can call it racism* if you want, but to date the US has displayed far more drive and desire for innovation than almost any other country (never mind just China). In spite of everything else, unless China starts to actually mobilize the staggeringly massive human capital it has, they will remain at roughly their current levels of achievement.

Deng Xiaoping was almost frighteningly intelligent, and he deserves full credit for his insights. But he was also positioned ideally, at a time when change could be pushed through. A lot of folks have correctly determined that now is the time for another such change, but there is more resistance this time and the future is cloudy. Change may be stifled or put off, and if it is there is the possibility that the people will start to decide that the CPC is no longer working out. What will happen at that point (if it comes to that), I don't know. It is clear though that the CPC is afraid of that possibility and has been for some time.

I'm not the sitting here fantasizing that China will have it's own 1776. Nor am I afraid of China, in spite of the fear campaigns that some westerners do try to use. I merely try to observe. What I see right now is that "Communism with Chinese Flavour" is coming close to the end of its usefulness and that no one is really sure what's going to happen next. We could see more gradual change, or we could see a pullback.

What worries me is that China's real historical record is one of coming close to joining the international community, but pulling back in the crucial final decision. Will they finally break through this time, or will there be another retreat? Again, I don't know, but perhaps you might find it in me to forgive my cynicism if I say I am hopeful but not confident.

I think one of the key things to overcome is the irrational fear to practices and ideas - like freedom of information, pluralism, or respect for individuals** - that are seen as "western" but which are in fact global, and have been used by successful nations for thousands of years. They're not just "American" things. More importantly, they're things to be embraced, not feared.

One of the biggest reasons I point to India as a nation where things are going right is that, for all their problems of corruption, disorganization, and vast poverty, the Indians do not suffer from a lack of imagination or a fear of western ideas. Ultimately they have enough self-confidence that they realize that copying things other countries do well does not mean they will lose their own identity as a result. Look at Japan. Japan's corporate and economic structure is more or less western, but no sensible person would accuse them of having lost their "Japaneseness" - and Japan was actually occupied by the US! The Indians also have a real determination that heartens me. Where the CPC feels it is owed respect by the world and the individual Chinese citizen is of a like mind or indifferent, the Indians know they have a long way to go and are determined to earn that respect.

*Amusingly, the most racist people I know are western-born Chinese who despise everything Chinese and regularly go on racial tirades that would probably earn them jail time for hate speech if the speakers were white.

**This does not necessarily mean American-style civil liberties, but that individuals can at least live without fear of repression.

Congrats on the Green Card.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 08, 2011, 05:53:04 AM
This is really just comedic and note really scary at all: China bans all movies and TV shows that feature time travel (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=21256&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+worstpreviews%2Fheadlines-30+%28WorstPreviews.com+-+Headlines+%2830+most+recent%29%29&utm_content=FaceBook)

(http://davidlavallee.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/doc_brown-full-1.jpg)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Pacobird on April 08, 2011, 06:04:11 AM
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The Chinese people have never been idealistically unified, and hence cannot be idealistically motivated around a concept like Christianity or Democracy. Chinese religion has a pantheon of gods that fall in and out of favor by how much their worshippers believe that god is effective at giving them what they want: health, progeny, prosperity. Much is the same on the political side. It is not that the people are inherently communal, it is what worked for them at that point in history. And quantitatively, looking at the past 20 years, the Party has for the most part done the people good in terms of living conditions, poverty levels, education. Why do you think Deng Xiaoping introduced mixed economy or "Communism with Chinese flavor"? Because the Party was in danger of losing control after the failures of the planned economy; it was no longer effective to the people. The "nice-sounding" statistics exist because the Party has quantitatively improved aspects of Chinese life, in contrast to the "nice-sounding" ideology that the US has introduced to Iraq.

Because when I see the longest politically and geographically-unified nation in the history of the world by a few thousand years my first instinct is definitely to assume its people are more ideologically diverse than the Westerners who can barely keep their shit together for 40 years without some genocide.

(When Westerners decide shit isn't working for them, they kill the rich and start new countries)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 08, 2011, 06:58:14 AM
Don't worry, the Chinese periodically self-immolate too.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on April 08, 2011, 07:34:49 AM
It's only been 72 years since the Chinese killed the rich and started a new country.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on April 08, 2011, 07:45:35 AM
Which according to Paco is almost double what the west can handle.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Pacobird on April 08, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
It's more like, kill the rich and restart the same country.

Guys, once we remove the decadent figurehead on the Imperial Throne, there will be a new day for Rome!

hey where is everybody go
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: teg on April 15, 2011, 07:09:39 PM
China bans Science Fiction and Fantasy (http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/14/china-bans-time-travel-for-television/?on.cnn=1).

The big focus there seems to be on time travel, but they seriously just banned virtually all science fiction and most fantasy.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on April 15, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
Are they counting Water Margin and Journey to the West?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on April 15, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
That probably falls under the category of 'national folklore' or 'approved heritage texts' or some other doublespeak.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 15, 2011, 08:28:59 PM
... you guys did see the last page, right?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: teg on April 16, 2011, 03:21:12 AM
Nnnnnope!

I barely check this board, sorry.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 16, 2011, 03:26:09 AM
I wasn't going to say anything when it was just you, since that's an easy mistake. But three people made it a lot funnier. 
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on April 16, 2011, 06:30:52 AM
I knew that news item sounded familiar.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on April 30, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
It's not surprising that the press guidance provided by China's censors (http://volokh.com/2011/04/24/all-the-news-thats-not-fit-to-print-in-china/) list exists, but that pieces of it are made available online.

Not that this makes China scary, but it's interesting.

(Contrast vs USA approach: distracting plebs with celebrity news.)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on April 30, 2011, 11:11:50 AM
On the plus side, we're getting more transparency in the (Chinese) government! That's good!?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on May 26, 2011, 06:45:39 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam)

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Liu says he was one of scores of prisoners forced to play online games to build up credits that prison guards would then trade for real money. The 54-year-old, a former prison guard who was jailed for three years in 2004 for "illegally petitioning" the central government about corruption in his hometown, reckons the operation was even more lucrative than the physical labour that prisoners were also forced to do.

...You have got to be shitting me.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on May 26, 2011, 08:32:58 AM
No surprises there, I'm afraid.

Pretty much the only way to stop this kind of thing is to destroy or wholly remove a given MMO's international market economy.

Question: As a non-WoW player, what nominal, half-assed things does Blizzard do to pay lip service to the idea of stopping this? Or, hell, do they in fact try?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on May 26, 2011, 09:38:18 AM
Some Chinese gold farmers would repeatedly enter a dungeon (Maraudon) and kill some bosses for items that they would then sell or convert into reagents. Their countermeasure was to introduce a timer that prevented a player from entering more than 5 dungeons an hour. Even after the dungeon farming fell out of favor, Blizzard left the measure in place, to the great irritation of people running small dungeons. It also fucked people attempting to use dungeons for mining legacy (read largely irrelevant) materials needed for leveling tradeskills.

Blizzard also kinda sorta bans farmers. Part of the problem is that they started using compromised accounts instead of their own accounts.

How do they get the accounts? Keyloggers, phishing, and the usual. The funniest form of fishing is PMing people offers. These offers usually come in broken English, and are generally hilarious. E.g., "Hello,, we Blizzard are proude to offer u free mounts trial. 2 collect u reward go to http://blizzard-sounding-subdomain.obviousfishingsite.cn (http://blizzard-sounding-subdomain.obviousfishingsite.cn)"
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on May 26, 2011, 10:08:10 AM
I think Blizzard may've actually nerfed the Maraudon item values/disenchantment tables first, and then left that 5 dungeons per hour measure in. It remained a vestigial pain in the ass. They also nerfed chests and drops in other dungeons, but didn't remove the fucking thing.

It was put in during vanilla (~2005-6) and was still fucking annoying me in 2010, when I quit.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on May 26, 2011, 11:17:40 AM
Any chance someone posted some of these PMs? Sound like a laugh.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on May 26, 2011, 01:18:28 PM
(http://us.trendmicro.com/us/trendwatch/flod/20101029/images/article1_graphic.jpg)
(http://www.wowgoldfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fake-cata-spam.jpg)

They send emails too.

Quote from: http://vnboards.ign.com/world_of_warcraft_general_board/b19789/113396064/p1/
Greetings!
We are very sorry to inform you that your account occurred in the number of illegal transactions in a very long period of time. We have not received any complaints about your transactions. But if other players send complaints about your account to us, we will permanently ban your account.
So we have issued this warning letters to you. You should go to the account management website to check your account status as soon as possible [link], you can also find them here.

Blizzard Entertainment Inc Account Administration Team
P.O. Box 18979, Irvine, CA 92623
Blizzard Entertainmen

The most clever thing, though, was spelling gold-selling domains with corpses.

(http://www.wowgoldfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wowadvertising.jpg) (http://www.wowgoldfacts.com/2009/07/16/the-gay-spam-parade/)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: on May 26, 2011, 03:02:06 PM
Sometimes they'd made art in the air spelling out their domain name.

Dropping a train set screws this up, which is a hilarious site to behold.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Pacobird on May 27, 2011, 06:08:41 AM
Blizzard actually took a gold-selling site with particularly aggressive marketing (peons for hire) to court to shut them down and won, but that's typical of anti-RMT enforcement in these games; you can't go after the guys producing the product if they're just farming (even bots are usually coded in a way that can't be detected server side), so you go after the companies that sell the product to consumers when they behave in particularly egregious ways.  It's telling that Blizzard took PfH to court for harassment of players, not selling them in-game currency.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on June 16, 2011, 08:50:12 PM
Vote as I say
Independent candidates for elections appear to be a spontaneous step too far for the Communist Party (http://www.economist.com/node/18836744)

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Even a hint of spontaneity in legislative elections can make the party squirm. In 1980 the first experiment with such polls led to heated campaigns on campuses. Officials intervened to block outspoken candidates from winning seats. Six years later, attempts to exclude independent candidates from local elections prompted student protests. The crackdown on the Tiananmen Square unrest in 1989 all but ended activists’ efforts at the ballots until 2003, when a slightly more liberal atmosphere encouraged dozens from the newly emerging middle classes to run. But when elections were held three years later, the party stifled media coverage.
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On June 8th the government revealed its jitteriness about elections in an interview by the state-run news agency, Xinhua, with an unnamed official of the National People’s Congress, the apex of the legislative hierarchy. The official said independent candidates had “no legal basis” and hinted that campaigning in non-approved settings would not be tolerated. But the official did not rule out the possibility that independents could run.
...
Liu Ping (pictured above), a retired worker with more than 31,000 online followers, tried to run but was disqualified, apparently because of her labour activism. Her home was later raided by police, who detained her for several days.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on July 09, 2011, 12:54:19 PM
China blocks searches for "river" to suppress rumors about the death of a former-president (surnamed River). (http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/07/06/following-jiang-death-rumors-chinas-rivers-go-missing/)

Not scary (beyond the everyday information suppression) so much as kind of a weird externality.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on July 09, 2011, 01:15:39 PM
(http://images3.cliqueclack.com/tv/files/2011/06/tumblr_lfrh2gyvq11qzj1o1o1_500.jpg)

You can't stop the signal.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Zaratustra on July 11, 2011, 10:07:49 AM
China blocks searches for "river" to suppress rumors about the death of a former-president (surnamed River). (http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/07/06/following-jiang-death-rumors-chinas-rivers-go-missing/)

Not scary (beyond the everyday information suppression) so much as kind of a weird externality.

Apparently China doesn't want the Chinese to think old people die.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Disposable Ninja on July 11, 2011, 07:22:59 PM
So, is China just one big scary fucking place?

Yes. Yes it is.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Ziiro on July 15, 2011, 10:05:01 PM
China's Ghost Cities and Malls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPILhiTJv7E#ws)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on July 16, 2011, 03:33:38 AM
64 fucking million empty apartments
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: François on July 16, 2011, 04:18:04 AM
64 fucking million empty luxury apartments
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: François on July 16, 2011, 04:20:58 AM
built on demolished occupied apartments

gah
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on July 16, 2011, 06:43:32 AM
Yeah where do they get off charging 70 to 100 thousand for these places when the combined income of most families each month is under a grand?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on July 16, 2011, 07:13:32 AM
It means that the right people see numbers go up.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on July 16, 2011, 07:55:30 AM
Are you saying that my creepy love of rising numbers could be used against me?

Also, I wonder how many of those people will be quietly disappeared.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2011, 09:29:19 AM
I'm confused why they wouldn't just construct bare bones studio apartments that the populace can afford instead of these baffling luxury suites. If you're going to build to meet an expansion quota, why not at least build something immediately useful?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on July 16, 2011, 10:15:07 AM
Maybe because the projected value of the assets is one way to calculate GDP.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on July 16, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
What a shitty country
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on July 16, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
For a collection of elites creating a housing bubble?
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Beat Bandit on July 16, 2011, 12:17:50 PM
You guys seem to be over thinking this a bit. China has always not given a shit about its people and loved to look insanely successful to the outside world.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on July 16, 2011, 05:25:08 PM
Yep.

You're also overthinking this in sense that town-planners are basically given a giant suitcase full of money and told SPEND THIS OR DIE! So why build shitty apartments when you can build nice ones? Nobody was going to afford middle-class ones anyway.

The problem is that nobody really cares if they sit empty or not (except people who would love to live in them). Once the money's spent the city could give a shit what happens and the developer's already two projects away. So there's no incentive to just drop prices and get them filled up. And if they devalue them now, wealthy speculators will shit their pants, the bed, and possibly the whole economy.

It might even work out for the government. If social unrest gets much worse, and housing is a big component beef (odds are yes) THEN they'll have an incentive to fire-sale the things to keep people quiet. Just think! The government can be all like FREE HOUSES FOR EVERYBODYYYYYYY!!!!!! As long as the buildings haven't crumbled too badly, they're like revolution insurance.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Friday on July 16, 2011, 06:24:35 PM
The US does the same thing with fucking jet fighter planes and shit instead of housing.

...

FREE JET FIGHTER PLANES FOR EVERYBODYYYYYY!!!!!!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on July 16, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
I thought that was free bombs.

Well... at the very least, bombs given away outnumbers jets given away.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on July 17, 2011, 02:51:58 AM
Yeah but we can use jet planes, we just gotta keep finding wars.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on July 17, 2011, 08:14:29 AM
We have more bullets than guns.
A military jet plane's most obvious and close-to-only function is to deploy bombs or seeking missiles.

... VTOL shit is pretty cool though.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Smiler on July 17, 2011, 08:31:40 AM
Let's just skip past the missiles.

Whitest Kids U Know. Baby Skull Seeking Bullet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osgrd1MPb7I#)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on August 09, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
More on the continuing cyber attacks out of China (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/09/chinese-hacking-201109).

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The vulnerability of corporations to attack stems in part from ignorance, in part from denial. Google executives reportedly believed that the American government monitors this country’s Internet infrastructure the same way it monitors foreign military threats to keep the geographic homeland secure. A former White House official told me, “After Google got hacked, they called the N.S.A. in and said, ‘You were supposed to protect us from this!’ The N.S.A. guys just about fell out of their chairs. They could not believe how naïve the Google guys had been.” (In response to detailed questions regarding Operation Aurora and the company’s response to it, Google declined to comment.)

Scary shit!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 09, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
Well, better that they find out now, while things are more or less "peaceful".
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 09, 2011, 09:48:54 PM
Kuang Kuang贺岁特别版兔年贺卡 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B8SOuswczI#)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on August 23, 2011, 06:32:51 PM
China airs documentary proving military university is hacking U.S. targets (http://www.geek.com/articles/news/china-airs-documentary-proving-military-university-is-hacking-u-s-targets-20110822/)

(Comments suggest the news source isn't impartial, but don't seem to discredit the story as much as blame said source for editorializing it.)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 23, 2011, 06:44:57 PM
Huh. They're actually flaunting it.

No Igor Gouzenko moment to be had here, I guess.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: sei on January 04, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
Quote from: http://english.cntv.cn/20111026/107506.shtml
Media regulators Tuesday announced a new directive to limit entertainment programs on 34 satellite TV channels and to replace them with "healthy shows," amid debates over moral decline in the country and the need for cultural reforms.

The new rules...are aimed at "preventing excessive entertainment and vulgar content so as to meet the people's demand for more delicate programs."

...

"All broadcasting, TV and relevant organizations are not allowed to conduct ratings rankings, and they are forbidden from eliminating or evaluating programs solely based on audience figures," it added.

[snip out of order]

The new directive does not give a definition for entertainment shows or to what extent they will be considered excessive, but lists match-making shows, game shows, talk shows, talent shows and reality shows as its primary targets.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on January 04, 2012, 07:47:09 PM
Hm. May wind up being one of the best ways to actively piss the population off and undermine the authority of the government (in a petty, casual way) I've heard.

Seems like a fair-sized misstep for the Careful Control overlords.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on February 10, 2012, 04:56:36 PM
An interesting new wrinkle that is probably much more relevant than bizarre Twitter rumours. Anyone been following the minor tug of war between Wang Yang and Bo Xilai?

The white western doofus Coles Notes version is that Wang is the boss in Guangzhou (which is close to Hong Kong) and probably the most open and free mainland territory. Wang has experimented with "okay we're going to open this door just a crack" type stuff and most western observers "like" him as compared to similar bosses. Xilai is a bit of a an old guard throwback to the Mao era, who's become popular by smashing crime rings the old-fashioned way (round up absolutely everybody). He also has a fondness for patriotic songs and Mao-flavoured moralizing, so he's the "Family values" guy. The other side of that coin is that Wang is promoting more privatization and commercial dealing and Xilai stumps for more old-style socialism. But being the conservative guy is a bit different in China after all.

Anyway, there's been some serious weirdness going on with Bo Xilai lately (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/brewing-scandal-in-china-could-be-a-reality-check-for-harper/article2334141/). And it's anyone's guess what the upshot will be.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mothra on February 15, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
There was a quote from this article on the ongoing efforts to contain a spill of cadmium (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/world/asia/china-says-it-curbed-spill-of-toxic-metal-in-river.html?_r=1) that I can't really get over:

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Despite what appears to have been a disaster avoided, the episode highlighted China’s continuing struggle against contamination of its waterways. The Ministry of Environmental Protection has acknowledged that half the nation’s rivers and lakes are unfit for human contact, and news reports of chemical and oil spills are commonplace here.

That is insane.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on February 15, 2012, 11:17:59 AM
On the lighter side of things: How hard is it to pass the Chinese Drivers' License test? (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/how-hard-can-it-be-to-pass-a-chinese-drivers-test-very/article2338858/)

Those questions!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on February 15, 2012, 11:38:30 AM
More like "THOSE ANSWERS!"

I wonder what the guts of the Chinese prison system look like.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on February 15, 2012, 02:03:02 PM
A graveyard.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on February 15, 2012, 02:10:08 PM
You did a real good thing, Anthony.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 14, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Bo Xilai just got the boot from Chongqing. He may still have a place as a functionary somewhere, but his ascent is almost certainly finished; the paty bosses are making it clear that Xilai'll never make the top leadership now.

There's a hell of an interesting backstory there, I'm sure, but I doubt we'll see much of it.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 17, 2012, 04:46:10 AM
This is terribly minor and I'm not sure how many of you will get this, but: One of China's new "instant cities" brought on by the real-estate boom was called "Ordos" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17390729)

:glee:

(And if you don't care about ancient video game references, it's also a decent article on the current state of the property bubble in China)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: François on March 17, 2012, 06:06:05 AM
(http://francois.brontoforum.us/miscpic/ordos.jpg)

All I can think of is this guy but I'm not sure how it would relate. :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Cthulhu-chan on March 17, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
This article is about a year or two late to the game, isn't it?

China seems to think it can just keep building, building, building, and who gives a shit if anybody lives/works in the edifices.

They can't stave off this bubble bursting forever.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 17, 2012, 01:24:48 PM
Well, the central governement knows this can't go on and has been trying to rein it in, but Chinese municipalities have become addicted to the revenue from land sales. Much of those sales are half off-the-books and half on-the-books, which leaves the door open to all kind of corrupt agents being involved, no doubt.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: fullmooninu on March 18, 2012, 03:20:42 AM
well... ill give you my opinion. i dated a girl from them regions, and had some classes on chinese history

They currently dont care about primary industry, namely agriculture. They now only have 6% of farmable soil versus total soil. They are already using twice the allowed amount of fertilizers (by american measure) which is completely polluting the soil and water. The middle class, getting rich on exports, doesn't care.

I'm all in favor of alternative economic models, as the current dominant one depends on the illusion of infinite growth. But theirs seems to be about going back to mercantile values, without any actual gold per capita to support it.

They are not in a bad position, tho. Thailand and the rest of the peninsulate have a lot of food. And they can either buy it or annex it.

They are everywhere. But if you think about it, this is just the new silk road. Their "silk" is currently pretty crappy, tho.

Oh, and this:
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1870162_1822156,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1870162_1822156,00.html)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Shinra on March 24, 2012, 08:41:43 AM
An interesting new wrinkle that is probably much more relevant than bizarre Twitter rumours. Anyone been following the minor tug of war between Wang Yang and Bo Xilai?

The white western doofus Coles Notes version is that Wang is the boss in Guangzhou (which is close to Hong Kong) and probably the most open and free mainland territory. Wang has experimented with "okay we're going to open this door just a crack" type stuff and most western observers "like" him as compared to similar bosses. Xilai is a bit of a an old guard throwback to the Mao era, who's become popular by smashing crime rings the old-fashioned way (round up absolutely everybody). He also has a fondness for patriotic songs and Mao-flavoured moralizing, so he's the "Family values" guy. The other side of that coin is that Wang is promoting more privatization and commercial dealing and Xilai stumps for more old-style socialism. But being the conservative guy is a bit different in China after all.

Anyway, there's been some serious weirdness going on with Bo Xilai lately (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/brewing-scandal-in-china-could-be-a-reality-check-for-harper/article2334141/). And it's anyone's guess what the upshot will be.

It's all speculation, but considering how hard the Chinese are trynig to cover this up, it appears that this ended with a failed coup attempt. (http://www.businessinsider.com/no-one-really-knows-what-the-heck-is-going-on-in-china-right-now-2012-3)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on March 24, 2012, 11:27:34 AM
Man, crazy wildfire rumours going absolutely nuts for a day or two seems to be A Thing in China these days. If it's not a coup, it's an invasion of North Korea or whatever else has come up lately.

What do you want to bet that some crazy false rumor will actually trigger (but smaller) event soon? Maybe a riot that gets put down quickly, or some lower-ranking pol falling for it and saying something incredibly stupid, or something like that.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on April 12, 2012, 08:13:57 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2012/04/bo-xilai-and-his-wife-rumors-of-murder-in-china.html (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2012/04/bo-xilai-and-his-wife-rumors-of-murder-in-china.html)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 12, 2012, 09:11:53 AM
Yeah, there is some real WTF going on there. It's anybody's guess as to whether this was a real murder the top-level is no longer willing to cover up, or another part of a big frame job to discredit the guy.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Shinra on April 12, 2012, 09:57:35 PM
And the British just seem to be tickled pink that China is finally willing to put this on a fall guy.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 13, 2012, 06:17:45 AM
Huh, that could even be a third angle: With Bo on the outs, he's simply being used for garbage disposal (i.e. the murder rap is simply about making the Brits happy).
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on April 29, 2012, 07:01:22 PM
There is courage and there is Chen Guangcheng doing his best impression of Steve McQueen in The Great Escape (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/blind-activist-makes-daring-escape-to-beijing/article2417452/)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Thad on October 03, 2012, 09:00:39 AM
io9 (http://io9.com/5948528/the-unintended-consequences-of-chinas-one+child-policy) on the unintended consequences of China's one-child policy.

In addition to the obvious (abortion and actual infanticide of female children), there's the coming economic burden of one child being responsible for the retirement care of two parents and four grandparents, and the potential sociopsychological repercussions of a nation of people growing up without siblings.

And yeah the lack of women has increased the market for prostitution, mail-order brides, and good old-fashioned dowries, and men who can't find a wife tend to be lower-class and already statistically more likely to turn to violence and crime.

It's gonna be an interesting few decades.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Brentai on October 03, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
One wonders how much of this would still be an issue if China wasn't such an androcentric* culture.

* I was pleased to find out that this is actually the right word.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on October 03, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
It's gonna be an interesting few decades.

Yeah, I've been beating this drum off and on for a while. There really aren't too many scenarios that I can think of that end all that well.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on October 03, 2012, 12:30:59 PM
Yeah, I've been beating this drum off and on for a while.

So are the guys who can't find a wife!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on October 03, 2012, 12:51:24 PM
I must say, I've never heard that particular piece of anatomy called "a drum".
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Büge on November 05, 2012, 07:33:29 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-sues-wife-for-being-ugly-1415695 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-sues-wife-for-being-ugly-1415695)
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 08, 2013, 02:23:36 PM
Not so scary:

(NFSWish - no OUTRIGHT nudity) Xinhua tries to show a western execution, shows fetish porn instead. (http://shanghaiist.com/2013/08/07/xinhua_tries_to_show_western_execut.php)

It's like the Onion, but better!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on August 15, 2013, 12:34:37 PM
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1296783/henan-zoo-puts-dog-cage-labels-it-african-lion (http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1296783/henan-zoo-puts-dog-cage-labels-it-african-lion)

Wacky hijinx!
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Sharkey on August 18, 2013, 06:23:03 AM
Come to America. We have more women and even our executions are sexier.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Esperath on November 04, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tqUevXX.jpg)

Tiananmen Square, of all places.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Mongrel on November 04, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
One one hand, the US, UK and many other countries all experienced a period of "Holy shit, this rapid industrialization is making our air fucking awful", so the theory goes that China will eventually clean up too. It's bad enoough that the Chinese government is in fact allowing angry posts about air quality on the sino-internets.

The thing is that the problem is so severe over there that a lot of the estimates of what it would cost to fix problems on China's scale pretty much break the Chinese economy. We're talking huge pullbacks in multiple key sectors of the economy. Like a fifty percent reduction in steelmaking, thirty percent reduction in power use, a twenty percent reduction in the number of cars on the roads. But all of those (except steelmaking) are still rapidly ticking up.
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Friday on November 04, 2013, 12:55:14 PM
everyone always is like CHINA HAS TOO MANY MALES AND THAT CAUSES WARS OH NO but jokes on them they're gonna declare war just to get away from the Smog
Title: Re: China is fucking scary
Post by: Classic on November 04, 2013, 03:28:52 PM
I've heard it said that the biggest correlation to revolutions (not necessarily violent ones) occurring is the percentage of the population who are unmarried and recognized as young adults.