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Team Fortress 2 / Re: The TF2 Thread
« on: December 28, 2008, 01:24:39 AM »
Once there was a medic who ubered his actual target a bit too late and ended up allowing me to kill four or five morons with an ubered wrench in two seconds or so

It was pretty funny

Gaming Discussion / Re: Persona 4: Specs Appeal
« on: December 26, 2008, 05:05:56 PM »
I got the Fool,  but I've been taking this one for four or five years and it's always given me the Hanged Man.

Which one do I trust?????? Oh, Internet quizzes!
So I was reading Wikipedia about the cards to better understand the characters in this game and it turns out that the Fool is sometimes given to people who are really the Hanged Man.

The most common interpretation of the card is of an outcast of society that appears to be a fool, but is in actuality completely in alignment and integrated.
So if you take one, take the one I posted?

Gaming Discussion / Re: Persona 4: Specs Appeal
« on: December 25, 2008, 10:23:39 AM »
I got the Fool,  but I've been taking this one for four or five years and it's always given me the Hanged Man.

Which one do I trust?????? Oh, Internet quizzes!

Gaming Discussion / Re: Left 4 Dead
« on: December 25, 2008, 03:14:07 AM »
When the stupid stuff is fixed I probably won't hate the game anymore.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Left 4 Dead
« on: December 25, 2008, 02:36:10 AM »
I can't really speak for Bal, but taking advantage of something stupid like that to win isn't very fun, whether it's a simple exploit or one that does take skill to do. These glitches aren't self balancing.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Left 4 Dead
« on: December 24, 2008, 11:39:44 PM »
I disagree.  Every team I've ever seen that has tried to run through the level has gotten their shit kicked in when they round a corner, get boomed on, hunters pop out, smoker isolates one, etc.

As long as everybody stays close the whole time, the specials are no threat at all.  People should be patient.
This may be true, but like Catloaf says, if you wait around you are just giving the Infected more chances to attack. Even on Expert this isn't a big deal, but against a real person this is a monstrous advantage, pun intended. This is why at the end of No Mercy you just double use the radio and hope for the best. Expert mode is nothing compared to a smart player who can lead a team of Infected well.

If, you know, the general playerbase was intelligent, I'd probably enjoy this game. As it stands, I really hate it, so if you ever see norondor playing it isn't me or him.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Left 4 Dead
« on: December 24, 2008, 01:11:32 PM »
I like versus a lot, but as far as I can tell the best strategy for the survivors is RUN REALLY FAST THROUGH EVERYTHING and unfortunately I am never on a team where everyone knows that. Against good Infected, you just can't sit around and wait for them to attack you. You have to sprint.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 23, 2008, 03:10:56 AM »
I came from the future of this post to add this note to the beginning of it to say that this... thing is not actually directed at anyone, least of all Thad.

Are you saying you seriously saw his first post and thought it was legit?  I saw a post fapping off for paragraphs over FF7, complete with spelling "mako" with a "u", and I went straight for his IP to see who he really was.

...frankly I'd have guessed OHak since he's the only one who seems to be taking him seriously, but it's not.

Oh, now that's just insulting.  Since when have I ever written something that ungodly verbose about something I liked?  Especially Sephiroth, of all things, a character more known for what he looked like than what he actually did.  Say what the fuck you will about Ultimecia and her profoundly retarded "time kompression" plan, or Necron and how he had fuck-all to do with anything that happened, at all, EVER, at least people bother to remember them for what they did or didn't do.  Sephiroth?  Fuck his resume, he's a bare-chested jackass in a big black coat with less testosterone and body hair than a twelve-year-old boy and ten goddamn feet of sword.

Ten goddamn feet of sword.  In a game with cyborg gun arms, megaphones and an artillery cannon that can take out cities but is stuck with a twenty-degree cone of fire pointing at a country that couldn't start another war if they tried, and in a series that gave us the fucking gunblade and whatever the shit that basket on a stick was in FF9, this strikes me as a decision with all the sense of Pickett's Charge.  The only difference between the people who gave Sephy that waste of iron and the Confederate commanders is that the Confederates heard the plan and said, "this is the dumbest fucking thing ever."  No word on what it would be like if the roles were reversed, but somewhere there's probably a dimension where a bunch of displaced Japanese committed seppuku over a strikingly piss-poor military blunder that they thought was the greatest idea ever and pubescents on the Internet masturbate to a game where a spiky-haired douche chases after an evil Abraham Lincoln.  If you really care about it figuring it out enough, go make a machine that lets you punch through dimensions.  I'll wait.

I don't play JRPGs for the realism - shit, I just got done with one that put me up against Hitler on a UFO built by the Mayans - but sometime I just get blindsided by fridge logic when I'm busy trying to get the party to shut up about how much they miss the bland Mary Sue (I missed her too folks, mostly because my only choices for the Magic Spammer party role are Yuffie and Goddamn Cait Sith, but I'm getting over it and moving on with my life and so should you, now shut up and let me kill things) and start trying to figure shit out.  Fridge logic like "how the hell does he walk around with that thing?"  Because it's a sorry fucking state of affairs when you can fucking castrate the villain by going up a tight flight of stairs.  You see this?

This staircase could kick Sephiroth's ass.

Compare this to Daleks, who got their asses kicked by stairs but then - and get this - realized how stupid it was to not have legs on their robots, then gave their robots legs!  They realized what their flaw was, then corrected it!  Meanwhile, SOLDIER headquarters probably spent tens of thousands of dollars re-plastering all the stonework after Sephy there tore the shit out of the walls with his gigantic masterwork bastard sword, not to mention all the people he ended up cutting in half whenever he turned around too quickly.

The buster sword?  Giant fucking cricket bat, might be hollow, the thing would still hurt like hell either way.  It could be some ridiculous space-age alloy or some shit like that too; hell, say that they dunked it in a giant Makouououououou vat or maaaaaagic or something to make it lighter.  But at least you could still use a damn elevator when carrying it.  Sephiroth's sword?  Fuck no, fuck that, fuck whoever came up with it.  They should've snapped that fucking thing in half to make two smaller swords and had him fight with those.  He'd still be the same insufferable chode who keeps getting dragged out of his fucking coffin in the Lifestream or wherever the fuck people go when they die to make more money for Squaresoft, but at least he could take "revolving doors" off his list of mortal enemies.  Plus he'd fit right in with Drizz't and all the other retards who think dressing in black and carrying around two swords is cool.  Like, oh, say... most of Sephiroth's fanbase.  It's funny how that works.

...and I was only going to humor him to see if he was really serious.  I have this thing where I find it very hard to write off people as being utterly irredeemable.  Which, in retrospect, was a massive lapse in judgement.  My bad.

Plus, y'know... if it was me there'd be that whole "shitting where you eat" thing.

EDIT: I'm going to guess it was Demogorgon.
I don't think it is entirely fair to judge a character's merits based on how he is remembered by a bunch of 14 year olds on the Internet. Perhaps you should read my post again.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 05:25:39 PM »
Does Xenowhatever have materia?

As for citing, the thing I quoted is straight from there. It's a lot easier to understand the game if you just read it instead of play it. Not to mention all the useless shit in there you can just skip.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 04:21:24 PM »
Perhaps less provocative, if you want to talk about why OOT is an awful game, we can do that.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 04:19:53 PM »
It's all in the text. Start reading.

The only thing that is conjecture is the bit towards the end that I prefix with "Personally, I think etc".

Anyway, starting a Xeno* thread will do you no good; I've never played them.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 03:28:13 PM »
yet not half as gay as your hard-on for sephie-kun
I'd sooner cosplay Cid, thank you.

I'm sorry but it's over. The illusion has faded. "Work of art" was a red flag, pal.

Kefka did it better, lawl.
And what would you call it? Sorry, but I was never trolling you. You're all just wrong. Irrevocably wrong.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 03:19:15 PM »
Mostly I posted that to make it clear that an image as a response is not acceptable. If you are going to debate with me, the least you can do is make an attempt at something like courtesy.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 03:14:55 PM »
yea he didnt have to compensate
Says the guy with a spurting cock in his avatar.

But don't you dare talk about Sephiroth. He is one of the few great villains around.

Ehhhh, he's really let himself go.

Did Lloyd have a ten foot sword? No?

Big Boss says hello.

Oh sorry, I didn't realize that the pornographic drivel on Danbooru was the authority over a work of art such as FFVII.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 03:01:02 PM »
Did Lloyd have a ten foot sword? No?

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 02:53:50 PM »
Man, you guys also don't know a damned thing about dear old Sephy, do you?

Sephiroth葉he original擁s the result of Hojo and Lucrecia agreeing to letting Professor Gast add JENOVA cells to their unborn child. Lucrecia was Gast's assistant, and Hojo was probably always a raving loon, so it's not too shocking that this would happen. Though Vincent Valentine, ex-Turk, wanted to stop Lurcrecia, he didn't have the courage. When he finally did speak up, Hojo did whatever Hojo does, leaving Vincent to spend a decade or two (iirc) in his coffin in the Shin-Ra Mansion's basement. No doubt he was witness to Sephiroth laying waste to Nibelheim. Lucrecia died in childbirth, and Hojo told him his mother was JENOVA. This would prove to be very important.

Sephiroth is the culmination of the JENOVA project. JENOVA is a lifeform that fell from the heavens, as told by the Cetra. This obviously means space (which is clearly why Shin-Ra wanted to go to space at all葉hey are not interested in exploration but rather the spoils of conquest). He was put into SOLDIER and took on the job of training the "recruits" who were just like him: Zack and Cloud, first and foremost. It's not stated implicitly, but there is no other reason they would go along with him, when he is more accurately carrying you on his shoulders during the "flashbacks".

Hojo doesn't ever stop at JENOVA cells, though. While arguably more powerful than makou infusion, they aren't really going to last forever, so he begins cultivating SOLDIER recruits in vats of makou, sometimes going too far and creating the monsters we see during one of the flashbacks葉hough he did infect a precious few with JENOVA cells from time to time; most notably Cloud, Zack, and all the black robed men you see around. (Personally, I think this is the best explanation for monsters I've ever seen in a game; most games [FF8, Legend of Dragoon] say they come from the moon. It doesn't make sense for monsters to exist, so I am glad that it was explained well in FFVII. As Barret says, "Damn, Shinra! The more I hear, the more I hate 'em!") And it isn't as though turning men into monsters via makou energy is unheard of: the WEAPONS are monsters created by the planet for defense out of the Lifestream, which is what makou really is. Enraged, Sephiroth destroys the vats. He realizes Hojo fucking up is the reason he is out here in the sticks at all.

Later in the same series of flashbacks, we see Sephiroth in the hidden basement library in the Shin-Ra Mansion: the place all of Gast's old journals ended up. He pages through them. Cloud approaches him, only to be ignored. He hears Sephiroth reading aloud to himself: " organism that was apparently dead, was found in a 2000 year old geological stratum. Professor Gast named that organism, Jenova... X Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova confirmed to be an Ancient ...X Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova Project approved. The use of Mako Reactor I approved for use... My mother's name is Jenova... Jenova Project... Is this just a coincidence? Professor Gast... Why didn't you tell me anything? ...Why did you die?" This is when he begins to realize that he has been wronged. He begins to realize he was one of Hojo's experiments. Father or not, Hojo is going to pay葉his is Sephiroth's resolution.

The next time Cloud visits him, Sephiroth calls him a traitor.

Sephiroth: Ha, ha, ha...... Who is it!? Hmph...traitor.

Cloud: Traitor?

Sephiroth: You ignorant traitor. I'll tell you. This was an itinerant race. They would migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on... At the end of their harsh, hard journey, they would find the Promised Land and supreme happiness. But, those who stopped their migrations built shelters and elected to lead an easier life. They took that which the Cetra and the planet had made without giving back one whit in return! Those are your ancestors.

Cloud: Sephiroth...

Sephiroth: Long ago, disaster struck this planet. Your ancestors escaped... They survived because they hid. The Planet was saved by sacrificing the Cetra. After that, your ancestors continued to increase. Now all that's left of the Cetra is in these reports.

Cloud: What does that have to do with you?

Sephiroth: Don't you get it? An Ancient named Jenova was found in the geological stratum of 2000 years ago. The Jenova Project. The Jenova Project wanted to produce people with the powers of the, the Cetra! ...I am the one that was produced.

Cloud: Pr...produced!?

Sephiroth: Yes. Professor Gast, leader of the Jenova Project and genius scientist, produced me.

Cloud: did he...? Se...Sephiroth?

Sephiroth: Out of my way. I'm going to see my mother.
And so we see it. He realizes, after days spent reading, that he is the final heir to the Cetra. If JENOVA ever "fell from the sky", it was because she traveled to the planet with the rest of the Cetra (as explained elsewhere). Realizing this, he goes to see his mother. On the way, he destroys Nibelheim for the hell of it.

I'm going to pause here. Does Sephiroth have a reason to be pissed yet? Hm, he was an experiment, lied to, and then used to cover up for his sniveling father's fuck-ups in some mountain town? No, I'd say he has no reason to complain. None at all.

This also causes him to go a bit batshit. He goes to the Nibelheim reactor and pulls the JENOVA cells from the back room, talking to himself about being the chosen one and "Mother's rightful place as ruler of the planet". While it is possible that JENOVA could have spoken to him as Sephiroth later spoke to his puppets, I am not sure she did, and he may have just been off his rocker at this point. In response to all this bullshit, Cloud tells him to calm down, which gets him a sword through his chest for his trouble. But you know, Cloud is resilient, and made of nearly the same thing as ol' Sephy, and promptly takes the sword out and chucks Sephiroth into the core of the reactor, which connects straight to the Lifestream. (Hence later he is in the crater, frozen in makou.)

This by no means puts our dear boy out of commission. Instead of doing his dirty work himself, he uses the power of the makou around him and his own JENOVA cells to take control of the minds of all the SOLDIER members who also have JENOVA cells. Some die, but many do his dirty work well enough; often they transform so uncannily into him that everybody in the damned world thinks it was Sephiroth who kills Aerith, when in reality it was one of his puppets. All of these puppets, after fulfilling their purpose羊econ on the boat to Costa del Sol, killing the other last surviving Cetra to ensure his place as Emperor-God, etc.葉ransform into the JENOVA beasts you then fight: Birth, Life, Death, and Absolute. Side note: they never walk through walls or teleport. The game is told from Cloud's perspective. You are seeing them flicker because Sephiroth is messing with Cloud's mind for fun. He knows what Cloud is, what he has done, and what he will do. He lets Cloud get the Black Materia, then makes him give it to him. It is a game to Sephiroth. He is hoping that Cloud is abandoned (thereby sharing the same fate that Sephiroth believes he had) rather than killed. He is very much a masochist in this regard. You'll also note that he only outright kills those without JENOVA cells, such as President Shin-Ra, or the Midgard Zolom.

Sephiroth doesn't just want to destroy the planet. He isn't mad at it so much as the people living on it; they are the descendants of the people who let his mother die. That is why he summons Meteor. He knows that the planet can repair itself if only Shin-Ra stops draining it, and isn't worried. As you should know, the Cetra were not indigenous to the planet, they merely met their end there. Before that they traveled space, planet hopping, searching for the Promised Land. My personal theory is that the Cetra did find the Promised Land in the form of the Lifestream, and they "returned" to it by letting themselves die while the ancestors of modern humans protected themselves. If so, that only adds to Sephiroth's character; he is so mind-warped and crazy that he doesn't understand the Cetra wanted to die, and he is stuck in the Promised Land. This technique is called "dramatic irony". But that's a theory better fleshed out in another post.

Shin-Ra begins to take notice once he summons a giant rock (with bad transparency around the sides) and holes up in the crater, so they decide to shoot him with the Junon canon (The Sister Ray) from Midgard. Sephiroth takes this as his cue to unleash the WEAPONS, which go on to wreak some fucking havoc. This is about when Cloud decides he needs to finally kill Sephiroth, who just doesn't understand the concept of simple human life anymore, and does. Though Sephiroth throws one final clone at the team (JENOVA Absolute) and transforms twice in an attempt to kill them, it's not enough by that point. Cloud has stopped caring that Sephiroth is some kind of batshit telepath and straight-up kills Sephiroth, shirt or no shirt.

I don't know, maybe if you had the reading comprehension of a ten year old (and I know many of you probably did) when you played this game the first time, I don't think this is terribly hard to understand. It's a simple matter of a man who was wronged by a corporation and his father, which led him to an investigation, which led him to go crazy and try and bring about a new era. I guess he isn't necessarily a villain so much as he is just really pissed. It's very clear that throughout the game Cloud is basically fighting this guy for no reason, because Sephiroth is really just playing around with him while he tries to accomplish his own goals (occasionally using Cloud to help). If you want to talk about Cloud being a shitty protagonist, we can talk. I've got some things I could say about him, as well. But don't you dare talk about Sephiroth. He is one of the few great villains around.

Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 01:25:06 PM »
Oh yeah, I meant to say those are the only two other towns with makou reactors.


Gaming Discussion / Re: Final Fucking Fantasy
« on: December 18, 2008, 01:18:41 PM »
Dire lack of consistency? More like were you at all paying attention?

Midgard and Junon, you may notice, are surrounded by miles of dead earth葉he result of power being drained from the planet. Did you get a look at these cities? You may notice that they in one case made almost entirely out of power stations or in the other sucking lifestream straight off the seafloor. It takes a lot to power these "steampunk" cities. Look at the only towns that have makou reactors, i.e. Nibelheim and Corel: Nibelheim has about enough for the executive mansion to have power, and Corel burned down (I am pretty sure the only reason that the Gold Saucer can run off that one makou reactor is because tents don't have electric lamps). What are the other towns with makou reactors? Oh wait, there aren't any? So I guess they are just supposed to be magically "steampunk" then? Jesus.

Then you'll notice that the places the Shin-Ra pay attention to are "steampunk" as well; case in point由ocket Town. Did you play this part of the game? The part where Cid is pissed because Shin-Ra put a bunch of crap all over his town and then left it there to die? Did you notice how about 2% of that rocket isn't fuel?

In short, I guess I don't know why you think having a ranch or something that isn't "steampunk" a bad thing, because it makes a lot of sense to me. "Dire lack of consistency" more like "completely unflawed consistency".

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