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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2008, 04:49:04 PM »

McCain isn't telling people to do anything, and while I agree he should take some action, the responsibility isn't his.

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2008, 04:56:19 PM »

Again, cause and effect. McCain isn't telling people to do anything, and while I agree he should take some action, the responsibility isn't his.

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2008, 05:01:12 PM »

Again, cause and effect. McCain isn't telling people to do anything, and while I agree he should take some action, the responsibility isn't his.

Ah, okay, that clears it up.  You don't understand what "baiting" means.

...wait...

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2008, 05:08:18 PM »

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2008, 05:10:04 PM »

You're claiming McCain is intentionally baiting his reactionary base into threatening members of ACORN?
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2008, 05:12:32 PM »

A man who could not have predicted this effect is not fit to be a leader, especially of this country.

...which, again, means that you're arguing that your man is too incompetent to be malicious.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2008, 05:40:25 PM »

You're right, it's Sarah Palin's for trying as hard as she can to drum up people into what look to be two clicks away from lynch mobs.  McCain has merely shown he's an incompetent leader who has little to no control over his own suboordinates, or knowledge of their actions.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2008, 06:10:06 PM »

Has Obama brought up Troopergate at all? I don't see how she can go around accusing him of "not telling the whole story to the American people" after that was resolved.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2008, 06:17:04 PM »

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A man who could not have predicted this effect is not fit to be a leader, especially of this country.

I don't think it's unreasonably optimistic to assume people won't start killing members of a random organization over, of all things, the dying issue of race. In fact, it's a bit obtuse of you to call for the leader of our country to be cognizant of the zillion possible ramifications of every speech he/she gives on this week's Hot Button Issue.

Edit: I'd like to amend that last sentence to read: It's downright ignorant of anyone to blame McCain for anything a racist does until McCain says "Let's kill niggers." The old sentence is stretching things, I admit.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2008, 06:19:18 PM »

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2008, 06:20:31 PM »

Okay, I'm just going to leave it at "you're not qualified to be President of the United States either."
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2008, 06:24:20 PM »

The issue of race is dying with the ignorance that is racism (just a bit more slowly).
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2008, 07:34:44 PM »

So your argument, Guild, is that McCain has no idea that racists exist?  Or is it that he just didn't think they'd get fired up when he stoked their fears of the scary scary black man?  Or, wait, I think the other day it was that Sarah Palin is vestigial and will magically disappear on November the 6th.

...At least as far as that goes, you're right.  But only because McCain's going to lose.

Or is your argument that nobody could have possibly seen this coming?  Because in that case I'd like to refer you back to five months ago, when I saw it coming.  And you told me I was wrong.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2008, 08:29:17 PM »

As a sociologist, I'm really interested to hear why you think race is a dying issue.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #54 on: October 17, 2008, 08:59:22 PM »

How can saying "These people are horrible criminals!" to an angry mob not be meant to incite violence?

And yes, they are an angry mob.  It is utterly undeniable that they are an angry mob.  If you even think of trying, WATCH THE FUCKING PALIN RALLY VIDEOS AGAIN.  And no, I'm not saying, all, or even most McCain supporters are in the pitchfork party.  But there are thousands of them, and that is enough to spell trouble.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2008, 09:22:47 PM »

Where the hell do you live that race is a dying issue, Guild? Because it certainly isn't Arizona, whence McCain and I hail, and it certainly isn't any of the other parts of country I've lived in or visited. In my experience the only people who claim that race is a dying issue are the people who would prefer it remain a present but subterranean one.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2008, 09:25:15 PM »

But I wanted to be a Moloch...
Oh well.

pitchfork party.
A pitchfork party sounds kind of cool! ::D:


As a sociologist, I'm really interested to hear why you think race is a dying issue.

This was actually the subject of a really scathing anthropological article I read. It was for a class, don't think I'm some kind of worthwhile person who pursues knowledge for its own sake or anything.
Anyway, the gist of it goes that people will claim not to be racist and that their prejudgements aren't based upon race, but by a curious co-incident correlation that has nothing to do with race (of course) but just so happens to fall along those lines.
It is also commonly argued that their racist attitudes are not based upon race, but upon cultural differences (especially based on economic divisions). Unfortunately, these same attitudes and long-standing practices (which reinforce one-another) within the mechanisms, through which even the white under-privileged were (but not anymore, THANKS W!) able to amass some wealth to pass on to their children, are essentially exploitive barriers to the advancement of the even less-privileged.

Or so the argument goes. I'm going to see if I've still got it on my machine (I should) and pass it on to you if you're interested.
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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2008, 09:29:52 PM »

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2008, 09:51:27 PM »

As a sociologist, I'm really interested to hear why you think race is a dying issue.

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Re: Culture Wars
« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2008, 10:11:58 PM »

This was actually the subject of a really scathing anthropological article I read. It was for a class, don't think I'm some kind of worthwhile person who pursues knowledge for its own sake or anything.
Anyway, the gist of it goes that people will claim not to be racist and that their prejudgements aren't based upon race, but by a curious co-incident correlation that has nothing to do with race (of course) but just so happens to fall along those lines.
It is also commonly argued that their racist attitudes are not based upon race, but upon cultural differences (especially based on economic divisions). Unfortunately, these same attitudes and long-standing practices (which reinforce one-another) within the mechanisms, through which even the white under-privileged were (but not anymore, THANKS W!) able to amass some wealth to pass on to their children, are essentially exploitive barriers to the advancement of the even less-privileged.

What's worse: discriminating against poor black people because they're poor, or discriminating against them because they're black?
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