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[Kazz]

As long as they're losing on a single issue, they're the victims, okay?

And if they're the victims, God is the victim.

And even though He's all-powerful, He is helpless when you defy His cadre of ignorant hicks.

[sei]

No, they just get a free ticket to blame natural disasters on people for a while.

THE GREAT SKY GOD DOES NOT APPROVE OF YOUR SO CALLED "PROGRESS"

[Guild]

The bible does address the issue of child murder. It states that a child unable to comprehend the idea of sin will go to heaven by default when dead. It doesn't say, "So don't kill them," however the bible DOES say, "Thou shalt not murder."

Is abortion murder? According to the bible, killing for a just cause is acceptable.

Furthermore, the bible stipulates that any laws of man which do not conflict with the Word are to be obeyed by the righteous.

LOLBORTION

[Brentai]

The bible does address the issue of child murder.  It states that a child unable to comprehend the idea of sin will go to heaven by default when dead.

Oh hey.  About exactly the opposite of what the Baptists are saying.  Huh.  'magine that.

[Classic]

I'm not sure of the Catholic dogma on that point. I'm not sure where a child is... "infected" with original sin. So I suppose it's possible that the original sin is tied with the pain childbirth causes a mother. Or some such a thing. All I know is that if a baby dies after being born, but before their baptism, they are cast into hell because the sacrament of baptism hasn't been given to them.

On the other hand, one of the big catholic tenets (happy Thad?) is to be fruitful and multiply, but it's been ages since I've actually looked up the pope's interpretation of the accumulated philosophy.


EDIT:

Fuck Aquinas.

[Thad]

I'm not sure of the Catholic dogma on that point. I'm not sure where a child is... "infected" with original sin. So I suppose it's possible that the original sin is tied with the pain childbirth causes a mother. Or some such a thing. All I know is that if a baby dies after being born, but before their baptism, they are cast into hell because the sacrament of baptism hasn't been given to them.

I was given to understand that the church was reexamining this notion in recent years because it's made it difficult for them to make inroads in Africa.

Lewis Black did a bit about it on Daily Show which I unfortunately can't find at the moment; it went something like, "I guess they COULD just change their stance on birth control, but it's WAY EASIER just to REORGANIZE THE ENTIRE AFTERLIFE!"

catholic tenets (happy Thad?)

[Guild]

The bible does address the issue of child murder.  It states that a child unable to comprehend the idea of sin will go to heaven by default when dead.

Oh hey.  About exactly the opposite of what the Baptists are saying.  Huh.  'magine that.

Well, the bible says they're still infected by original sin. It's just that they're not liable for it yet.

[Classic]

Lewis Black did a bit about it on Daily Show which I unfortunately can't find at the moment; it went something like, "I guess they COULD just change their stance on birth control, but it's WAY EASIER just to REORGANIZE THE ENTIRE AFTERLIFE!"

catholic tenets (happy Thad?)

They didn't reorganize that part! You're goin' to hell for sure now!

[Brentai]

Lewis Black did a bit about it on Daily Show which I unfortunately can't find at the moment; it went something like, "I guess they COULD just change their stance on birth control, but it's WAY EASIER just to REORGANIZE THE ENTIRE AFTERLIFE!"

I'm guessing their (justifiably) afraid of losing a bunch of the people they have, while probably not having that much of an effect on the people they're screaming at.  Saying something to the effect of "More people get to go to Disneyland!" is probably safer.

[Kashan]

The bible does address the issue of child murder.  It states that a child unable to comprehend the idea of sin will go to heaven by default when dead.

Oh hey.  About exactly the opposite of what the Baptists are saying.  Huh.  'magine that.

Well, the bible says they're still infected by original sin. It's just that they're not liable for it yet.

The bible doesn't say anything about original sin actually.

Fuck Aquinas.

 

[Guild]

Yes it does. It just doesn't call it "original sin."

[Classic]

I'm curious.
Is it in Genesis?
Or is it part of the NT deal?

[Kashan]

Yes it does. It just doesn't call it "original sin."

The only place anything like it is talked about is in Romans, and there it really doesn't fit with the concept Aquinas was talking about.

[Thad]

Yes it does. It just doesn't call it "original sin."

This is a good snapshot of Guild's "debate" technique: say something contrary, cite no examples, and demand other people disprove your claim.

Guild, knock it off or I'm kicking you back off the board.

Classic, Kashan, do not reply to people who use this style of argument.

[Kashan]

Yes it does. It just doesn't call it "original sin."

Classic, Kashan, do not reply to people who use this style of argument.

Okay. 

[Brentai]

No, go ahead and let him do it.  People disproving his claim is pretty informative.  And common.

[Classic]

B-b-but!

I'm curious.
Is it in Genesis?
Or is it part of the NT deal?

Is equivalent to:

SOURCES!? FUCKERMOTHA!

Right?

[Bal]

Catholic Dogma, at least the traditionalist kind, indicates that a child born, but not baptized goes to purgatory, along with all the good people born before Jesus.

[Classic]

...
...
Isn't purgatory counted as a layer of hell?
Or is that just Dante?

[Brentai]

Wasn't the idea of layers all Dante?

(Not counting Hindu-Buddhism here.)