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Watchmen
« on: March 09, 2008, 01:41:20 PM »

Doesn't exactly fit in the comics topic, and I'm not starting a movie thread.

The film will be released a year from two days ago, according to the website. They've also uploaded

Pictures! Of actors! Pretending to do stuff!

Neat.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 04:00:23 PM »

Interesting.

I also find it funny that 'that look' is now de rigeur for any and all new superhero movies that come out.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 04:07:42 PM »

I wait with bated breath for Silk Spectre cosplayers.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 07:24:52 PM »

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 07:43:54 PM »

Okay, I just noticed the topic subheading.

Man I wish I could award Karma.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 09:42:23 PM »

See, everyone's bitching aside, I liked the Nite-Owl costume, precisely because he looks noticeably chubby.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 09:50:49 PM »

Well, in spite of my earlier offhand comment, I'm still in wait-and-see mode myself.

I mean, I'll admit I'm not HUGELY optomistic (complex subject matter + comic book movie does not - in my mind - seem like a likely candidate for successful adaptation), but I'm more than willing to give the thing a chance. And I'm not half so stupid as to indict the whole thing based only what we've seen so far.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 10:38:12 PM »

complex subject matter + comic book movie does not - in my mind - seem like a likely candidate for successful adaptation

New Frontier did a fine job of it, but of course it was a niche product.

I don't really know from Zack Snyder; never caught 300.  But he seems to have the right idea.  Greengrass wanted to modernize the damn thing.

And hey, he's even shooting The Black Freighter for the DVD -- so at least he's concerned about details.  I think worst-case, we're looking at something like the first two Harry Potter movies: a slavishly accurate adaptation, with none of the source material's soul.  Or, as Kevin Church put it in a post linked from the post Ted linked, "taking "cool" visuals and applying them to the plot of Watchmen while ignoring the story."
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 10:39:51 PM »

I wait with 'bated breath for Silk Spectre cosplayers.
Interesting wording...
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 02:31:04 AM »

Well, no nipples on Nite Owl is something, at least.

I'm noting that the two characters that are most guilty of "that look" are Owl and Ozy. The first is kind of a technophile, and he still can't seem to hide his gut. The second, well, it's exactly the kind of thing image consultants would put together. Spot the fuck on.

Now, Rorschach is just some crazy guy with a mask and a hat, and remains such, thank fuck. The Comedian, well, I can't quite tell if he has padded-out abs or whatever, but mostly he looks more like a whacked out paramilitary jerk. Again, that's just about right.

Hard to tell with Spectre, though the setting has me worried. Goofball fighting stance and kick-your-ass face for, I presume, the burning building rescue? What the screaming fuck? Hoping it's just a misguided publicity shot.

None of this really matters, actually. What's most important is that it's not shoehorned into an action flick. Actual action scenes in that book? I can count them on one hand, and they were fast things, and usually pretty real and ugly. If they become drawn out affairs with implausible bullet-time physicality and a frantic symphonic score blowing my eardrums out? Yeah, it's fucked. Nite Owl in that contemporary-ish costume frumping and mid-life crisis-ing around in his basement with the hood off and stupid glasses? Cool.

The pessimist in me expects for him to be suiting up down there with Mars, The Bringer of War blaring in the background, but I still hope to fuck to see that kind of shit subverted. It's kind of the point.

Yeah, it could be done with bright colored spandex and tunics and whatnot, but that's way the hell more camp than superhero now. There's nothing to challenge there. I get flashbacks to that Justice League live action pilot. Contemporizing them a bit in the cases where it's appropriate to the character and then humanizing them. Dressing them like superheroes, but with no backflipping (well, maybe Ozzy, and only for TV) or getting knocked through walls or whateverthefuck-- just very physically vulnerable people who dress up crazy and can throw a punch, but bleed when socked in the mouth, get winded after a scuffle with a couple muggers... Dress them like what we expect superheroes to look like now, and then show how that shit would play out, not realistically, exactly, but something a damn sight uglier and probably depressing than superhero movie expectations. That could still be brilliant and unsettling. And it's damn good timing for it.

If they announce a videogame tie-in, we're all screwed.

... unless, against all fucking odds, it turns out to be a third-person story-driven old-school adventure game that jumps viewpoints constantly and has maybe a half dozen action segments that are each pretty much three-second-long QTEs that deliberately feel incredibly out of place... The frantic HOLY SHIT flashing A-Button icon comes up, you instinctively hit the thing, and congratulations, you just gunned down a pregnant woman. How do you feel?

Fuck. I just talked myself into wanting that.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 03:04:44 AM »

Mike Sterling has an interesting take on the subject.

Ah, fuck. Would've saved me a lot of the trouble.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 07:26:57 AM »

I will be happy as long as [spoiler]Ozymandias gets away with killing millions of people "for the greater good"[/spoiler].  That's about as dark as it gets, and any other commentary in the work is auxiliary to it anyway.

My ultimate fantasy is that people exit the theater, turn to their loved ones, and ask, "Honey, are we sheep?"

(Even though the smart money is that they'll just go on grazing and being scared of the sun.)
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 12:04:52 PM »

let us all hope kazz never learns of the word 'sheeple'

Watchmen may be a big comic, but a lot of it is the same scenes being told from the view of different people. That might be cut a bit.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2008, 12:21:33 PM »

I will be happy as long as [spoiler]Ozymandias gets away with killing millions of people "for the greater good"[/spoiler].  That's about as dark as it gets, and any other commentary in the work is auxiliary to it anyway.

[spoiler]Ah, but DOES he get away with it?  Yes, he backs the other masks into a corner and they're forced to silence, but don't forget how the book ends.[/spoiler]  I don't see the ending being changed.  I don't see how someone who is actually shooting The Black Freighter would fuck with the soul of the work like that.

Besides, the "Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain" speech is one of the greatest things ever written in a comic book.

Then again, V for Vendetta was a great adaptation until the last 15 minutes.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 05:24:16 PM »

Silk Spectre must've ate one killer burrito for lunch.

Read the book over the (snowed in) weekend. This is becoming an annual occurrence.

The Black Freighter hooha still feels like a smart idea went awry. Just gets in the way; not as relevant as it thinks itself to be. Won't mind it being regulated back to the DVD release.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2008, 11:27:56 AM »

I will be happy as long as [spoiler]Ozymandias gets away with killing millions of people "for the greater good"[/spoiler].  That's about as dark as it gets, and any other commentary in the work is auxiliary to it anyway.

[spoiler]Ah, but DOES he get away with it?  Yes, he backs the other masks into a corner and they're forced to silence, but don't forget how the book ends.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Because the New Frontiersman was top-notch objective journalism.  The inclusion of the scene implies its significance, but realistically, unless the kid takes the journal and sends it to someone with an ounce of credibility, Ozy would get away with his plan to... er, end war forever.[/spoiler]

Also, re: Black Freighter, I really want to say I get it, and I've even read about what it's supposed to mean, but I'm sorry, it's over my head.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2008, 11:33:44 AM »

why the fuck are we using spoiler tags? There's a statute of limitations on this stuff.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2008, 11:45:36 AM »

snape kills dumbledore
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2008, 12:47:05 PM »

The inclusion of the scene implies its significance

That's it exactly.  It needs to be in there, just as surely as Ozy's victory.

Who knows what happens after that?  Well, that's the point.  It ends with a question.

...A Question.  I like it.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2008, 03:58:56 PM »

Funny, but I never really saw that as "MAYBE IT WILL ALL BE FOR NOTHING" but more "Heh, the one time they run something true it happens to be the most batshit sounding paranoid consipiracy theory to go over an already high bar, and won't be believed."

I mean, I could see how the other thing was implied, and probably even intended, but not the way I chose to interpret it.
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