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Would you be in favor of adding the following boards?

An online gaming board, solely for discussion and hookups in online games such as MMOs or WFC games
- 7 (20%)
A forum games board for Werewolf and other forum-based activities (such as an upcoming olympic-style event)
- 12 (34.3%)
A seperate board for book, comic, movie, hobby etc discussion than gaming discussion
- 10 (28.6%)
I suggest another board below.  (it may be added up here)
- 1 (2.9%)
I think we have enough boards. (vote for no other option)
- 5 (14.3%)

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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 09:37:27 PM »

Well, a lot of suggestions appear above, and most of them feature 9+ boards.  Mine features 8.  Wolf games don't NEED their own board, but if it would filter them from Recent Posts, it's probably a good idea.

The most important thing here isn't adding a board, but rather, re-organizing how the current boards are set up.  Everyone agrees that we should seperate videogames and non-videogame media, at the very least.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 09:57:46 PM »

I think Kazz has a pretty good idea for stratification.  Brent's has 14 boards and I am not for that.

IMO the difficulty with splitting games and non-game media is that in practice it will result in one slightly-less-giant board and one tiny one.

Catch-all threads have their place, as Kazz knows perfectly well given his history of starting a new one in Wrath every time Arc locked the old one.  Not every movie or comic book I want to comment on should get its own thread.  (Although apparently every TV show I watch does.)  That said, they DO get unwieldy over time, and it's best to split out the conversations that get big enough to form their own thread.  (Of course, this gets dicey when people discuss more than one subject in the same post.)

I don't think there's much call for a Wrath-style board here.  Wrath's "say whatever you want without fear of reprisal" mission statement never worked out in practice.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 10:02:13 PM »

IMO the difficulty with splitting games and non-game media is that in practice it will result in one slightly-less-giant board and one tiny one.

That's fine.  A small board can be just as important as a big board; the participants are no less interested in the subject matter, there are just more of them.  Comics and movies, etc, have been historically shoved aside or relegated to their own megathreads.  Giving the whole thing its own board will encourage the starting of an individual thread for each subject, and that's fine with me: I had a hell of a time figuring out what music, anime, books, or movies were recommendable back on Pyoko.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2008, 10:10:53 PM »

I actually feel like sub-boards numerous boards exist to highlight smaller portions of content. I guess what I'm saying is: I'm not sure Talking Time benefits from making that particular division.

If we really wanted to make the board readable, we'd cross-thread bosts such that a post recommending something would also be the leading post to a tangent thread elsewhere on the board if it ever became that bad.

Maybe we should also name threads to be more accurate to the nature of the posts contained? :omg: I think the search does search thread/post titles now.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2008, 10:55:27 PM »

I think Kazz has a pretty good idea for stratification.  Brent's has 14 boards and I am not for that.

That wasn't really supposed to be a real layout suggestion, I was just trying to rattle off all the main areas.

If Arc really can summon from the DEPTHS OF HELL the option to gag certain boards from the RP ticker then we're golden.  We'll just split the boards into categories that people would probably want to cut out.

So, areas we'd probably want to give people the option to gag:
Werewolf/Pyolympics/Brawl/MMOs
Porn (I support this, mainly because you guys post funnier stuff than 4chan does.)
Whining/Dating Advice/Drama/Sissy Slapfights
Politics
Deals/Trading/Dirtiest Santa Ever
Art and Writing Projects
Game Design Projects
Comic Books (some people would gag this for example me)
Site/Forum News
Bullshit

All of the above would be either be child boards or contain child boards.  So say something liiiiiiike THIS:

Vidjagames and Other Media Discussion
 -Comic Books
 -Porn
Website/Forum Discussion (Forum News)
 -Trading and Commerce
 -Forum Games
Personal Discussion
 -Whining and Drama
 -Writing and Art + Game Design
World Discussion (Politics)
Miscellaneous Discussion (Bullshit)

The main downfall I see here is that it's still too many sub-boards to check, plus it looks uncomfortably like Bryokoforum's layout.  Bleh.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2008, 11:32:50 PM »

A community activities board for stuff like mafia games or ffags or game tourneys
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A werewolf board (including variants)
I'd kind of like stuff like this to get its own board, so that I don't have to sift through it on the way to finding something I'd actually read, but I don't have a particularly strong opinion about it, one way or the other.  (Even if I did, it'd probably irrelevant, anyway.)

A reviews board (with only a VERY FEW threads allowed to be made, like one for books, one for games, one for movies, etc. as opposed to a new thread for each book game whatnot)
Arc would super-disapprove.

EDIT: Chiming in to throw my hate on the Bullshit (thread) pile.  I tend to also dislike the E/N miscellany boards on other various forums, because they tend to wind up with similar shit like "the poster above me is x and the poster below me is y," and other games (sans Wraith Pinned to the Mist).   I suspect (outside of someone trying to be clever by deliberately giving a counterexample) we're above getting into stupidity of the sort.  Thankfully, we run a comparatively tight-ass ship—that is, a ship full of tight-asses.

That's the obvious choice, but I think "Worstlympics" sounds stupid.  I'd like to come up with something better.
The 'Lympic System
Oh Nolympics
Kazz and Doom Took Our Boards Access Away for This Shit?
'Frolympics
D'ohlympics
("Lolympics" is beneath even me, though someone out there is thinking it.  Let's not.)
The Incredible Mr. Lympics
Niku and Zara Are Better Than You At Everything
Oh, Limp Dicks

I'll come up with more later, though you'll thank me not to.



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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 12:06:30 AM »

I'm going to vote against sub-boards.  But I'm also going to vote against too many main boards.  Obviously it is a delicate balance.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2008, 12:08:50 AM »

Kazz and Doom Took Our Boards Access Away for This Shit?

 :fail:

For the last time, I was not involved.

anyway.

I hate child boards.  They divide the threads up, but they actually take attention away from areas of the board.  A post in a sub-board can appear in the "Last Post" section of the main board, which is confusing, and it causes less traffic to the other board.  Even if that were somehow disabled, the sub-board wouldn't have the front-page attention it probably deserves.

Brentai's new suggestion does several things I don't like, including having a disgusting number of sub-boards.

"Whining and Drama" will probably feature absolutely zero whining or drama, because the people who start that stuff (ie me) take it very seriously and are going to put it in a place where very serious things go.

"Trading and Commerce" will fail as hard as the old Avarice forum did.  The old forum divided a bunch of topics we rarely discuss into big main boards, and then had one uberboard for all the stuff we did discuss, and then a bunch of boards below the sins containing most of the interesting stuff because, for whatever reason, we never bothered to abandon that damned theme.

Comic Books don't warrant their own entire sub-board.  They can go in with all non-game media.

And "Miscellaneous Discussion" is where 90% of the traffic will end up, and it will be a godawful mess like always.

I think eight is a good number of main boards.  I like my suggestion.  Let's all vote for that, and then do it.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2008, 07:28:23 AM »

I think I may need to beat this idea into you peoples' heads with a nail.

The purpose of the child boards is to allow people who don't want their ticker clogged by certain things to block them.

If that turns out to be impossible, then yeah sure fuck the child boards.  BUT:

Without bothering to reread this thread, I think at least three different people have said they don't want to deal with Werewolf bullshit.  So without making your own little space for it (which is totally warranted) you're giving people the option to either put up with it or block whichever entire board it's on (unless you give it its own main board, which ISN'T warranted.)

Drama needs to be shuffled into its corner by helpful mods so that the community doesn't implode under the weight of its own touchy-feely bullshit again.  But Kazz just proved that we don't have helpful mods so oh I guess we're just buttfucked  ::D:

Porn needs to be blockable.  Obviously.

As for the rest... fine.  If you guys want eight main boards, here you go.

Personal
Forum/Website
Videogames
Other Media
Politics
Wolf Games
Porn

Oops!  That's seven!  Looks like I fail again!   :smile:


I just realized I'm acting like I care what you people do.

Fuck it, do whatever you like.  Just as long as I can gag the threads where people complain about their girlfriends and Kazz whines.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2008, 10:25:37 AM »

I think there's a misunderstanding.  Are child boards blockable by individuals in a way that main boards aren't?  I didn't think that was confirmed.  I thought it was all server-side settings.

The main purpose of this is to reorganize, not necessarily to filter.  I understand what you were doing, but even you mention that you don't know that it's possible.

Either way, if it's possible with child boards, it's probably possible with main boards; I'd like to avoid child boards if possible because they gunk up the place.  And just because I don't think we need a porn board doesn't mean I think we need a porn filter; I'm capable of ignoring things I don't care about.  I rarely even use the Recent Posts list.

All that said, thanks for, uh, getting super defensive about it.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2008, 11:12:47 AM »

Don't make me get the hose, you two.

The purpose of the child boards is to allow people who don't want their ticker clogged by certain things to block them.

The problem is that, in practice, they do the opposite.  "Sloth" kept flagging "new posts" which were actually posts in Sloth Online that I didn't care about.

Without bothering to reread this thread, I think at least three different people have said they don't want to deal with Werewolf bullshit.  So without making your own little space for it (which is totally warranted) you're giving people the option to either put up with it or block whichever entire board it's on (unless you give it its own main board, which ISN'T warranted.)

Probably not, but if we get enough similar games like it and Guild's Castlevania thing, then it is.

Drama needs to be shuffled into its corner by helpful mods so that the community doesn't implode under the weight of its own touchy-feely bullshit again.

Again, nice idea in theory, but you will note that the place where the previous community imploded with drama was THE BOARD DESIGNED TO DO THAT.

Wrath didn't work.  It didn't defuse or isolate the drama.  It didn't prevent it from spilling over into other conversations.

A place to dump pointless tangents or one-sentence trolling from Guildenstern would have its benefits, but let's not fool ourselves into believing it would contain any intraforum fighting that came up.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2008, 11:26:12 AM »

Ok, a revision of my question, since nobody directly answered it.

Is it possible to make the most recent posts list (referred to as the "Murple" for the remainder of this post) something you have to subscribe to?

Example: I "murple-subscribe" to a thread or a board and it will begin to show up in my own personal murple, the effect being that each person has to create their own personalized murple.

Ideally if nothing is "murple-subscribed" to it stays with a global murple.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2008, 11:28:57 AM »

The purpose of the child boards is to allow people who don't want their ticker clogged by certain things to block them.

The problem is that, in practice, they do the opposite.  "Sloth" kept flagging "new posts" which were actually posts in Sloth Online that I didn't care about.

Good point.

Drama needs to be shuffled into its corner by helpful mods so that the community doesn't implode under the weight of its own touchy-feely bullshit again.

Again, nice idea in theory, but you will note that the place where the previous community imploded with drama was THE BOARD DESIGNED TO DO THAT.

Wrath didn't work.  It didn't defuse or isolate the drama.  It didn't prevent it from spilling over into other conversations.

A place to dump pointless tangents or one-sentence trolling from Guildenstern would have its benefits, but let's not fool ourselves into believing it would contain any intraforum fighting that came up.

Good point.

I like having child boards around for my own purposes, but I do recognize that they're basically fucking annoying.  Now that I've consciously boiled it down I sort of do like Kazz's board list, except I still fucking swear we need a Porn board because I don't expect you people to stop posting pictures of Rydia with octopi crawling out of her CUNT CUNTY CUNT CUNT CUUUUUUUUUNT!, and obviously it's better if that shit gets posted in an area where I won't, say, accidentally open it at work.

If you need to make room, Creations and Forum Games can probably go together to make one whole forum (which I just realized, they already are) and Online Hookups would probably fall under the domain of Real Life and/or Forum Games depending on what you're doing.

...leaving us with almost exactly what we have now, except Mouthing Off gets chopped in two and Slacking Off gets less generalized.  Also everything gets renamed so you don't have to read the board name twice to sometimes figure out which one it is.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2008, 11:42:14 AM »

Hey, I made Thad's first point up there earlier!  ya wankah

Anyway.

I agree with Brentai; I didn't think much about it, but there aren't actually that many Creations that are independent of Forum Games anyway.  A "wolf game only" board isn't warranted, but a Forum Game board is necessary between me, Friday, Bongo, Guild, and the upcoming -lympics.

So, I'll revise my list:

(arranged in order of my estimation of postload)

Gen. Videogames
Non-game media/hobbies
Real Life (all personal discussion)
Forum/community stuff
Real World (Thadland)
Creativity/Forum Games (filtered from Recent Posts)
MMOFag/Friendcode Basement
NSFWville
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2008, 11:44:55 AM »

Ok, a revision of my question, since nobody directly ans

NO.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2008, 11:48:17 AM »

Ok, a revision of my question, since nobody directly ans

NO.

Are you speaking on behalf of all the programmers in this community?
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2008, 11:55:58 AM »

Are child boards blockable by individuals in a way that main boards aren't?

Boards can be blocked for individual user groups. As a matter of fact, those who wish not to see Wolf Games / Wolf Game Updates could just be thrown into a group with all the same rights as a regular user, but with the Wolfyness invisible to them once it has its own board. That way the wolf updates will remain on the Latest Posts listing who wish to see them there, and the code doesn't have to be hacked.


Are you speaking on behalf of all the programmers in this community?

OK.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2008, 11:57:20 AM »

I like Kazz's proposal.
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2008, 11:57:45 AM »

Arc, you're being cryptic instead of directly answering people's questions again.

Are you speaking on behalf of all the programmers in this community?

I assume so.  My thought on reading your post was "Yeah, that'd be really cool but a bitch to code."

(Unless possibly somebody's already written an add-on to do it, but as I understand it even that causes problems since we're running an older version of SMF.)
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Re: New Boards or Sub-Boards
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2008, 12:08:11 PM »

Hey, I made Thad's first point up there earlier!  ya wankah

Sorry, told you I wasn't rereading this thread.  I apologize for that and for my earlier douchyness.

Now let's make out.

Anyway.

Okay, okay, I understand, the wife and all...

So, I'll revise my list:

(arranged in order of my estimation of postload)

Gen. Videogames
Non-game media/hobbies
Real Life (all personal discussion)
Forum/community stuff
Real World (Thadland)
Creativity/Forum Games (filtered from Recent Posts)
MMOFag/Friendcode Basement
NSFWville

Getting closer.  The only suggestion I'd make is to roll up the Friendcode board into the Wolf board, which I realize makes it look a bit like a Katamari of tiny boards but I think it's reasonable to assume that people who want to block one would probably block all of them (except possibly Creations).

Maybe we can just switch out Friendcodes with Creations.  The fact that it's such a small board is more a failing of this community than of the concept itself.

Yes, I am contradicting myself now.

We'll need to make up some groovy new names as well.  I realize there was a long thread about that elsewhere but I kinda want to make it official.  The Ministry thing was clever but it's hell trying to remember whether VvW is in Showing Off or Slacking Off.
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