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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #580 on: July 20, 2010, 05:44:46 PM »

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Also, you can be in limbo for years and years, subjective limbo time, but in reality only moments have passed.
Yes, a lifetime can go by, because each layer is ten times dilated by going into a dream within a dream within a dream. Um, within a dream.

So if a character descends into a dream-within-a-dream-within-a-dream-within-a-dream (and SPOILERS they do) a person’s brain can magically work at 100000% normal capacity while still maintaining a presence in all the other dream layers? Fuck you.

Correct, that is physically impossible. Neither is anything seen in the movie for that matter (the brain cannot make that accurate of a simulation). This is a rather odd place to stop suspending your disbelief.


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But first, as the chemist who invented the sedative, why is it important to synchronize the kicks, the triggers to wake you up?
Well here’s the key: You want to wake all the way up, because if you don’t, you can’t go back up to rekick and wake yourself up. The sedative leaves inner-ear function unimpaired, so you have to feel a jolt in the level you’re asleep in to wake from the level below.

DREAM AVATARS DONT HAVE INNER EARS LET ALONE INNER-EAR FUNCTIONS. And it doesn’t make any sense to me how the brain of the dreamers is supposed to differentiate between real world stimuli and what they’re experiencing in each dream level. Beyond that, there was no explanation for why a person in a second-level dream would not feel what his real body is feeling if he can feel it on the first level.

You can't wake up from a dream level if you're still asleep in that level? That's what I'm getting out of that statement. It makes some sense given how absurdly detailed the dreams are.

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Also unexplained is how the characters can keep descending in the dream state, since the chemist character formulated the sedative to allow for only 3 dream levels. Even more confusing is why if the architect character can change the dream world in fundamental ways, why doesn’t he just surround the other characters with impenetrable barriers before venturing into deeper dream levels? The writers went to great lengths to show that too many changes in the dream world cause the “projections” to attack, but in each level they were already being attacked as soon as they entered! IT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

1. The chemist was hypothesizing and it had not been empirically tested. And limbo technically isn't another level. That point wasn't very clear in the movie.

2. The dream illusion needs to be as realistic as possible or the person will just wake themselves up. In the first heist, Saito does this (twice).

3. The projections are also another reason, actually. During that one training sequence Juno Ariadne changes it too much and gets surrounded by a mob and stabbed. Since Fischer's projections were already trained, such changes would have made it worse somehow. Hence all the paranoia about it.

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And then the whole idea of “totems” is bullshit too! The top that spins and spins and spins in a dream… why? If the dream architect is expected to make changes as subtle as the fabric of Saito’s carpet, why would he overlook making a toy work according to known physics? The rest of the dream artifacts work just like their real-world counterparts (quick examples: the dream machine, the guns, the cars, the elevators, the safes, the keypads) but for some reason a simple top baffles the “most skilled extractor of dreams”. Even stupider is the ending: Leo leaves the magic top spinning, and the film cuts to black before it stops, leaving the audience to wonder if it was all a dream.

The entire point of the totem is that you are the only one who knows how it works. They're for defensive purposes. An architect trying to trick you would not know the exact weight distribution of the top or a die (as you note later).

The top works because if you were in a dream you could will it to spin forever. That's physically impossible, so there's a test for you.

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Earlier in the movie though, Leo himself explains that an extractor alone knows the weight and feel of his totem, so if Leo were in a dream he would have known it the whole time even without spinning the thing. It might have been an interesting development if Leo had known he was in a dream all along and still went through with the heist (and resulting dead wife shenanigans), but the movie's just not structured that way.

That's not quite right; it might have been difficult to determine just by having it in your hand.

Anyway the top is more for the audience than Cobb's character. I doubt totems work very well if you don't want them to.

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I HATE INCEPTION

These are pretty dumb reasons in all honestly. The first part of the movie is full of infodump and throwing more exposition everywhere would just drag it down more.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #581 on: July 20, 2010, 06:49:59 PM »

Guess what Clutch, the movie isn't really about science, it's about the magical dreamscape as a method for character exploration. This should have been obvious as soon as they used that stupid "people only use a tiny portion of their brains" line that every movie regurgitates.

I thought the movie was internally consistent within its own rules set. Also I thought it was really really good.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #582 on: July 21, 2010, 08:42:37 AM »

These are pretty dumb reasons in all honestly. The first part of the movie is full of infodump and throwing more exposition everywhere would just drag it down more.

More reasons: wooden acting, retreaded themes, poor dialogue. I hardly think what would have resolved my complaints was more  exposition; if they had actually left the movie's mechanics more vague it wouldn't have been so shocking when they flouted them.

Guess what Clutch, the movie isn't really about science,

No shit.

I thought the movie was internally consistent within its own rules set. Also I thought it was really really good.

Agree to disagree on these points. If I had to say something nice about the movie to get my RAM chip, I will grant that the gravity effects were pretty spectacular, but that's all I've got.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #583 on: July 21, 2010, 04:36:34 PM »

These are pretty dumb reasons in all honestly. The first part of the movie is full of infodump and throwing more exposition everywhere would just drag it down more.

More reasons: wooden acting, retreaded themes, poor dialogue. I hardly think what would have resolved my complaints was more  exposition; if they had actually left the movie's mechanics more vague it wouldn't have been so shocking when they flouted them.

Oh, well those would be better reasons.

Although for the wooden acting bit, I just figured they were meant to be written as toned down/boring. Which adds up to the same thing, anyway.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #584 on: July 22, 2010, 10:59:54 PM »

[Rec] 2 is not as good as the first film, mostly because it feels like they needed to pad out the already slim running time.  But it's still worth watching since it isn't just a straight up rehash of the original and takes things into new territories while still letting that creepy ass apartment complex do half the gruntwork in giving you the heebiejeebies.  Pretty sure you can watch the film on demand, and it's doing screenings in different parts of the country.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #585 on: July 22, 2010, 11:08:53 PM »

I didn't really like how [Rec] 2 went ahead and [spoiler]firmly established the origins of the zombie plague to just be straight up demonic possession[/spoiler] but overall it was a pretty great film.  I really liked how it built on the first one - I feel like this should be taught in film classes as an example of exactly how you do a sequel.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #586 on: July 27, 2010, 11:28:12 AM »

Went and saw Salt yesterday. It was okay. It's greatest weakness was the titular heroine, Salt: beyond her MacGyver-like resourcefulness, I couldn't really tell you a thing about her. There's not enough for you to identify with or root for, and a lot of the suspense is lost because you end up never really fearing for her life. You could argue that that was maybe the point given that her true loyalty was in constant question, but that's just an excuse. The great movie would have had a really strong, sympathetic characterization AND would have been able to pull off making you question her goals at every turn.

Still, the movie ended without a single plot hole or lingering question, and yet still managed to leave a sequel hook, so hey that's something. Also: Macgyver-like fun.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #587 on: August 12, 2010, 11:54:17 PM »

Just got back from a midnight showing of Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World.

I somehow managed to exist under a rock for most of the media blitz for this film, never read the books.  I was only vaguely aware of its existence through the advertisements for the video game.  This worked to my benefit, I think.

The visual effects were spectacular, from the comic book THUDs and WHAMs and the like to the wacky trail effects and dynamic camera angles with goofy speed lines that, for some reason, didn't seem out of place. 

All in all, I'd say WORTH IT.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #588 on: August 13, 2010, 06:58:59 PM »

Scott Pilgrim was indeed amazing, and this is coming from someone who loves the oboks. They changed some stuff based probably on the time they had to do it I can tell in detail what they left out over IRC or something the ending was pretty great though and the music was fantastic.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #589 on: August 13, 2010, 07:49:49 PM »

Went to FNM tonight, and they had the genius idea to put the soundtrack CD in on the player to loop for the entire 3 hours it took to do FNM.

I got kinda sick of "I Hate You, Please Die"
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #590 on: August 14, 2010, 05:46:10 AM »

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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #591 on: August 14, 2010, 09:37:19 PM »

Scott Pilgrim. Yes.


That's... that's it.

Yes.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #592 on: August 19, 2010, 08:46:43 PM »

Yeah, I enjoyed it, too. Enough so that I'm probably going to try to convince my friends to see it with me again on Sunday, assuming I can keep them from deciding to see the Expendables instead. I have a bargaining chip, though, in that the last time we all went out together, they decided to see The Sorcerer's Apprentice instead of Inception.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #593 on: August 23, 2010, 06:59:57 PM »

Saw the Expendables.

Isn't it 2010? Aren't special effects now better than real life? I guess they spent the budget on the cast and spent the other $1.95 on the visuals.

And Jet Li had the best ten lines in the film. Too bad he only had ten lines.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #594 on: August 25, 2010, 12:26:55 PM »

I am going to go see one Scottholomew J. Pilgrimsford The Motion Picture Show tonight.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #595 on: August 25, 2010, 06:04:59 PM »

I have seen it!

The first twenty minutes or so... sucked. I found it even harder to understand why Scott and Ramona like each other (I'm glad that they actually did and the pacing was absolutely awful. But eventually the movie really starts doing its own thing and playing with the source material and the audience gets into it and in the end it turns out to be really, really good.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #596 on: September 03, 2010, 06:09:55 PM »

So I just came back from Machete. 

If you want exactly what the trailer for it promises, you will get that and camp in spades!

And it's nice to see Danny Trejo play the protagonist...
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #597 on: September 06, 2010, 09:00:26 PM »

So I just came back from Machete. 

If you want exactly what the trailer for it promises, you will get that and camp in spades!

And it's nice to see Danny Trejo play the protagonist...

Yeah, it's probably one of the most honestly/accurately advertised films out there.  It's violence, sex, and more violence.  It's like Planet Terror, but will slightly less of those boring scenes that had no sex and/or violence.  It's no work of art, but it knows what it is and does it damn well.  I think if this sort of thing progresses much further we'll end up with a movie consisting of one 75-minute long fight scene, that's only interrupted for a few scenes of what is as close as they can get away with saying is not technically flat-out hard core porn.  No plot necessary, just witty one liners vaguely alluding to one.


And finally, Cheech Marin [spoiler]died for your sins[/spoiler].
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #598 on: September 06, 2010, 09:18:35 PM »

Finally saw Avatar is REAL3D

I have no strong opinion one way or the other.
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Re: Movies in the Theater
« Reply #599 on: September 07, 2010, 01:59:26 PM »

Well, no, that's not entirely true. My favorite character was Col. Quaritch, a favor that was, like his badassitude, solidified when he escaped the exploding airship by leaping out of it in a mech suit.
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