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Catloaf

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2009, 05:28:12 PM »

won't work, the right will control the discourse to be about the left being opportunistic bastards with no hearts who use the deaths of their friends for political reasons, people will take it at face value because i am dead and living in hell, and all healthcare discussions will be irreparably destroyed, maybe they'll even shut down medicare

Because no one has the guts to say:  "Just like they used Jesus' death to justify a banking system overhaul."
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2009, 05:43:05 PM »

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2009, 12:50:05 AM »

The NHS is pretty fucked up and disorganised at the moment and far from the great institution it once was, but it does its job quite okayly.
You should have some too.

I think the thing with America is the fact that you have great political antipodes a couple of states away. That makes things difficult for both the rightists who want to shoot all the gays and the leftists who want to shag them. There's a reason Luxembourg isn't the same country as Belarus.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2009, 08:38:17 AM »

Some people* really have no sense of irony.

They dislike socialised healthcare out of distaste for the actions of socialist Germany in World War II, but have no problem invading other countries or keeping members of a certain social group in camps.

JD I really like you and all but I think there's a pretty big stretch between "taliban combatant / Iraqi Insurgent" and "social groups". I want to see Gitmo closed as much as the next guy, but we are not talking about the jews or the japanese.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2009, 08:57:54 AM »

Yeah, we're talking about moozlums, totally different. They're just brown, not white or slanty eyed. :hurr:

To be honest Shinra, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. What does it matter what "group" we're talking about when Gitmo's population doesn't exclusively hold prisoners arrested from Iraq or Afganistan?
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2009, 09:55:13 AM »

Shinra, are you saying that Muslims are less human than Jews and Japanese?  Because that's how I read your statement.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2009, 10:03:12 AM »

Shinra, are you saying that Muslims are less human than Jews and Japanese?  Because that's how I read your statement.

Reads like blatant sarcasm to me.  :shrug:
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2009, 10:12:22 AM »

But prior to that he wants us to make the distinction between people who are inarguably combatants (they have firearms and point them at people) and "social groups" in general.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2009, 12:09:58 PM »

A social group of angry guys with guns can look like and can be easily falsely marked as enemy combatants.

That doesn't make it alright to send them to camp.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2009, 06:52:43 PM »

What if they're overweight and need someone to drill good eating habits into them? And why have we gotten off on this tangent in the Health Care Reform thread?
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2009, 10:56:35 AM »

That's how it happens in the wild wild west.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z0N9fDJTTE
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2009, 08:32:51 AM »

It's not like Americans have grown dumber since 1950 or something. If the 40 million (I believe) uninsured gain basically free/cheap healthcare with the public option, whammo instant Democratic voters for life. Single payer would be an improvement, but whatever.

This is basically the core of the reason why the Republican party absolutely cannot give an inch on this.  If Obama were to actually secure health care for every American, the GOP would be totally fucked even if they'd played ball.

Comprehensive health care reform passed by either party would be a body blow from which the other would take decades to recover.  That is why single-payer is usually dismissed as "politically unrealistic". 


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Turning now to the rest of the agenda for 1974, the time is at hand this year to bring comprehensive, high quality health care within the reach of every American. I shall propose a sweeping new program that will assure comprehensive health insurance protection to millions of Americans who cannot now obtain it or afford it, with vastly improved protection against catastrophic illnesses. This will be a plan that maintains the high standards of quality in America's health care. And it will not require additional taxes.

-Richard Nixon, State of the Union Address, 1974

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2009, 05:56:05 AM »

It is vitally important that you take the time to send a letter to President Obama sharing with him the need for a public option.  Don't just sit this one out and hope that it will take care of itself.  We all need to get behind this and show our support.


Here is the letter I sent him this morning:
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Mr. Obama,

Lately in the news I've been hearing you make overtures about not being serious on the public option.  If you do not back the public option, which as of yesterday had a 55% approval rating from the people of America, I will not support you in 2012.  Without a public option, any health care bill will not be reform, it will be just re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

Republicans have repeatedly stated their intentions not to compromise on this issue, so neither should we.  The Democrats won the White House on a platform of real reform that included the public option, and to not provide it would utterly destroy the party.  And I am willing to say right now that if you balk, if you flinch in the face of this historically important moment, I can not in any way support you in future elections.  I am spreading this message to my friends and neighbors, to people who had supported you because they grew sick of the dark times that George W. Bush had put America through.

If you fail to deliver the public option, it will not just be your loss.  It will be the Democratic parties loss.  It will be the loss of the sick, the infirm, the weak and the poor.  It will be a loss for all of America.  And it will hang around your head.

Thank you for your time, Mr. President.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2009, 07:42:17 AM »

Obama's all for the public option. It's the people who need convincing.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #94 on: September 03, 2009, 09:31:48 AM »

Obama's all for the public option. It's the people who need convincing.
That's assuming they can be convinced or reasoned-with in the first place. I think not after reading this.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2009, 10:44:19 AM »

There was a kind of  happy protest in Berkeley today. Bunch of people with "Honk for Health Care" and similar signs. Which, as usual, strikes me as a little unnecessary in this place. Also, that intersection is dangerous enough without everyone honking on their way through. Enough of that and someone will end up needing health care a lot sooner.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #96 on: September 03, 2009, 11:24:03 AM »

Obama's all for the public option. It's the people who need convincing.
That's assuming they can be convinced or reasoned-with in the first place. I think not after reading this.

It was clearly in self-defense.  The old man attacked the digit-hungry man first!  It was an over reaction, but they were both unarmed and it doesn't even say which one of them put the hand up to hungry's face and/or into his mouth.  Nor does it have a credible source.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #97 on: September 03, 2009, 06:26:23 PM »

Gus Porter, American Legend nobly defends our true American health care system from those socialist Canadians.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #98 on: September 03, 2009, 09:58:39 PM »

Perhaps the problem will solve itself when a prominent anti-healthcare protestor discovers that he's got something serious and insurance won't cover it.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #99 on: September 03, 2009, 11:30:11 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNs7Zpqo98&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fboingboing.net%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=599

This is the very first time I've seen anyone one the other side of the debate seem at all reasonable.  And Franken, while not being funny, makes some great points.
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