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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2010, 01:00:27 PM »

I understand that states need a certain amount of autonomy to operate, but there should be some kind of national safeguard to veto anything that infringes on the Bill of Rights.

That's pretty much the entire purpose of the Supreme Court.

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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2010, 01:02:51 PM »

Really federal or state courts.  Part of why the judiciary exists to slap down unconstitutional legislation, and this law is indefensible in that regard.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2010, 01:04:55 PM »

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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2010, 01:47:04 PM »

I think immigration falls under the jurisdiction of the president, actually.  It's a federal issue, not a state one.

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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2010, 04:01:02 PM »

So a Democratic Representative received some death threats for speaking out against the law.

This is something that really needs to be dealt with fast and swift.  One of our MPs in Canada who I really dislike just in the same timeframe got hit with some online death threats after pointed out that we have some extremists growing (last time he did that, he got brutally beaten and a plane blew up a few months later), to which the provincial Attorney General (of the provincial government who pushed the same man out of the leadership of the province) jumped fast and hard with criminal investigations, promising to ensure that people just can't hide online and make death threats. 

This is the second time this week where your citizens have buckled under death threats relating to something people said, the first resulting in censorship from a Viacom subsidiary.  This one seems more serious, as elected officials should be above being threatened for their lives, regardless of how much people dislike him and his opinions.  I'm saddened that I didn't run into this myself, and that chances are your nation will continue rewarding such threats..  Something I like to call "giving into terrorism". 

In America:  Ironic, isn't it?
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2010, 04:15:00 PM »

I think immigration falls under the jurisdiction of the president, actually.  It's a federal issue, not a state one.
Well, yes and no. Federal agencies (like ICE and CBP) are responsible for implementation and detainment and such, but local law enforcement agencies work with them all the time, such as when somebody is arrested for a crime who turns out to not be a citizen. So this is where things will get very silly - state law enforcement may end up arresting a lot of people who, once turned over to the appropriate federal agency, will promptly be released. However, this also means that the law only works inasmuch as federal agencies let it - if the Obamastration really like this bill, they might simply opt to not take people arrested under this bill. At Secretary Napolitano's discretion, immigration enforcement in Arizona could dry up overnight, and the state would have no recourse whatsoever, as they simply aren't empowered to address immigration issues.

Something I like to call "giving into terrorism".  

In America:  Ironic, isn't it?

Depending on which theorists you ask, initiating military involvement in the Middle East was giving in to terrorism.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2010, 04:15:47 PM »

No you see in America terrorism is only done by brown people.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2010, 07:17:25 PM »

I think immigration falls under the jurisdiction of the president, actually.  It's a federal issue, not a state one.

The proponents of the new law say that the federal government hasn't been doing its job and the state needed to act.

At Secretary Napolitano's discretion, immigration enforcement in Arizona could dry up overnight, and the state would have no recourse whatsoever, as they simply aren't empowered to address immigration issues.

Which she won't do.  And which would be rather more roundabout than just vetoing the thing in the first damn place, which is what she would have done if she hadn't ditched her constituents to take a better job.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2010, 05:49:42 PM »

It's weird being an Arizonan right now. I feel safer as an American with her in the position she has now, but much less so as an Arizonan, because the governor is a fucking lunatic.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2010, 08:46:58 PM »

...seems I was wrong on the proof of identity and a state ID WILL work.  Of course, if your ID's from out of state, or they can come up with any other reason to suspect it's fake, that's not going to help.

I also heard that if you don't have your ID with you you can just give your name and they'll see if you're on a list.  Which, again, isn't going to help you if you're from out of state.  Or, I imagine, if you have a common name.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2010, 07:08:04 AM »

One of the main arguments I've heard for this is that since they're in the country illegally, this is just giving the police the power to enforce the law, which puts me in mind of what Martin Luther King Jr. said about how "a law can be just on its face and unjust in its application". That's something this law seems to be perfectly set up for, especially with people like Sheriff Joe running the show over there.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2010, 03:43:01 PM »

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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2010, 09:48:02 PM »

Wouldn't they have to go through Janet Napolitano for that?
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2010, 08:52:42 AM »

So it turns out this law is starting to have some very predictable results: namely, making a very large group of voters very angry at the Republicans in an election year.

I do not think that Brewer thought her brilliant plan all the way through.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2010, 11:20:34 PM »

AriZona Iced Tea tells people they're from New York, not Arizona, in the face of several boycotts on Arizona-based companies

Also FTA: Pressure is mounting on the MLB to move the All-Star Game from Phoenix to someplace not so fucked up.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2010, 03:41:02 AM »

Well, the MLB probably doesn't want any of their players accidentally deported.

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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2010, 04:09:49 AM »

Overheard on Fox News this morning:  Texas state legislature to introduce anti-immigration measures similar to Arizona's at next legislative session.
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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2010, 04:55:01 AM »

Overheard on Fox News this morning:  Texas state legislature to introduce anti-immigration measures similar to Arizona's at next legislative session.
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EDIT: After doing a little digging...
Texas Governer Rick Fucking Perry says that Arizona's law isn't right for Texas

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Re: What the fuck, Arizona?
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2010, 05:57:23 AM »

By which he means that the people who fund him make mad bank off immigrants and it'd be career suicide to deport their slave workers.
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