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KIMOTA!
« on: August 31, 2009, 06:13:32 AM »

So is Miracleman just another of those "Well you have to judge it by what he was trying to do and when he was trying to do it, not by what he actually did" things that Alan Moore seems to have built his career on?  Because all I'm really seeing here is everything that people found puerile and insulting about, ie, Infinite Crisis and such.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 09:45:33 PM »

So is Miracleman just another of those "Well you have to judge it by what he was trying to do and when he was trying to do it, not by what he actually did" things that Alan Moore seems to have built his career on?  Because all I'm really seeing here is everything that people found puerile and insulting about, ie, Infinite Crisis and such.

I've never actually read the thing.  There haven't been any recent reprints, you see.

The whole history, as you might expect, fascinates the hell out of me, and I've been meaning to discuss it either here or in the Copyrights thread (or perhaps even in its own thread!), but...every time I find myself spending more than five minutes on the boards I suddenly find it's 11 at night and I have a splitting headache.

Goodnight!
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2009, 07:56:04 AM »

Here I will make a short version of Miracleman for you:

MIRACLEMAN: Hello I am CAPTAIN MARVEL actually not really
KID MIRACLEMAN: lol me 2
YOUNG MIRACLEMAN: me three
MIRACLEMAN: This will be rehashed later as SUPREME so you don't have to read these crazy 60-style young-superhero antics
KID MIRACLEMAN: BOMBED
MIRACLEMAN: It is TWENTY YEARS LATER and I forgot who I am but now I remembered
DOCTOR: Actually you were all made by the MILITARY to FIGHT COMMUNISM or whatever and I'm evil raar
YOUNG MIRACLEMAN: I spent 20 years being super and now I have MIND BULLETS and I am also evil
MIRACLEMAN: well that will not do I will fight you
*There is a BIG FIGHT and there are LOTS OF BLOOD and some serious JOJO shit and this was really EDGY in the 80s*
YOUNG MIRACLEMAN: Well that's what I get for putting the magic word that changes me IN MY FUCKING NAME
MIRACLELADY: Oh I was made in that lab too and I was RAPED
DOCTOR: I die at some point or not zara doesn't really remember I'm sure it was an epic fight
MIRACLEMAN: Well fuck this I will become KING OF THE WORLD and make life perfect for everyone
MIRACLELADY: We will have hot MIRACLE SEX every night I don't see how this could go wrong
*And SURPRISE it does NOT GO WRONG MIRACLEMAN makes some kind of really awesome MIRACLE TOWER and spends like twenty issues being AWESOME at everything he does*
LAWYERS: Alan turns out 60-YEAR-OLD comics have a lot of legal baggage attached to them
ALAN MOORE: CTHULHU FTHAGN
LAWYERS: Listen Marvel will just rehash this plot as THE SENTRY in 20 years anyway go do Swamp Thing or Supreme or Promethea if you want to watch people have SUPER SEX ALL NIGHT I know it's a thing for you
ALAN MOORE: MY NAME IS HUGE
NEIL GAIMAN: oh by the way Miracleman revives Kid Miracleman and they're GAY for each other because Miracleman has SUPER SEXUALITY and also I am like a king midas of gay
*COMIC ENDS AT THIS POINT*

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2009, 08:28:46 AM »

and also I am like a king midas of gay

You have no idea how hard I'm laughing at this right now :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2009, 08:38:14 AM »

You have no idea how hard I'm laughing at this right now :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2009, 09:02:34 AM »

NEIL GAIMAN lives like fifty minutes from me. I've seen him in grocery stores before. I'm scared to say hi D:
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2009, 12:07:30 PM »

You forgot OH THERE'S ALIENS and five incomprehensible chapters of WE'RE ALL GODS LET'S MAKE EVERYBODY GODS and oh why not several pages of this which is decidedly NSFW.

Thanks, Alan Moore.  That's really what I was hoping for in this comic.  Was that.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2009, 12:23:02 PM »

Jesus I completely forgot that MIRACLEMAN has a daughter with his wife but she's some CHILDREN OF THE DAMNED shit and goes around being HURF DURF MY SUPERIOR INTELLECT IS SUPERIOR

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2009, 01:03:54 PM »

Heh. Funny, yet illustrating anecdote: I've always thought of Watchmen as Alan Moore's 'High Society'.
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Re: KIMOTA!
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 05:50:04 PM »

...okay, here's a rundown of Marvelman history for Marvelman neophytes by a Marvelman neophyte.  I should repeat that I have never actually read a single issue of the thing, because I am 27 years old and don't much like reading comics on screens.

So, okay.  Best way to start is with a timeline.

1941: National Comics sues Fawcett Comics, claiming that Captain Marvel infringes on Superman.  Their case is flimsy as hell, and basically consists of "He has superpowers and a secret identity."

1954: In arguably the single worst, most ignorant ruling in comics history, the judge finds in favor of National.  Captain Marvel is cancelled.

(For a more in-depth look at the case, see Wikipedia's entry, National Comics Publications v. Fawcett Publications.)

L Miller & Son, the British company that was publishing black-and-white reprints of Captain Marvel, suddenly finds itself high and dry.  Writer-artist Mick Anglo creates a "new" character, Marvelman, who is exactly the same as Captain Marvel: a young reporter who transforms into a superhero by saying a magic word, who has two younger sidekicks and fights a mad scientist.

1982: Alan Moore brings back Marvelman in a British magazine called Warrior, edited by Dez Skinn, who claims to have the rights.  This is the beginning of what Moore (and, later, fucking everybody) will become best known for: taking a classic superhero character and reimagining him in a darker form.  It gets critical acclaim.

1985: Eclipse Comics begins reprinting Moore's Marvelman work in the US.  Marvel Comics raises a stink about the name, so it's changed to Miracleman in the US; Moore vows he will never work for Marvel and, being Alan Moore, holds the grudge to this day.

1985-1990: Moore continues the series after the reprints.

1990: Moore quits Eclipse after a falling-out with the publisher.  As he recounts the story years later, they've lied to him about having artist Alan Davis's permission to reprint his work, and Moore's begun to suspect they don't actually have the rights to Marvelman at all.

He passes the book along to his friend Neil Gaiman, but warns him of his concerns.

1994: Eclipse goes bankrupt, interrupting Gaiman's run in mid-arc.

1996: Todd McFarlane purchases Eclipse's creative assets, hoping to continue Miracleman.

1997: Todd McFarlane agrees to trade his rights to Miracleman to Neil Gaiman in exchange for the latter's stake in three Spawn characters the two of them co-created.

1997-2002: Gaiman, suspecting that McFarlane doesn't actually own any rights to Miracleman, backs out of the deal.  (McFarlane claims Gaiman doesn't own any rights to the characters, Gaiman sues and wins, but that's another story.)

2002-2009: Gaiman and others slowly unravel the rights situation.  It appears that Skinn never owned the rights to Marvelman in the first place, and in fact he was creator-owned all along.  What happened is unclear -- the book Kimota! claims that Skinn had a handshake agreement with Anglo to use his character (though Moore thinks Skinn is lying) -- but it's believed that Anglo always had the rights.  The book's in legal hell and can't be reprinted; Moore et al own the rights to the issues they did but not to the character.

2009: Marvel Comics buys Marvelman from Mick Anglo, who's now in his 90's and taking care of an ailing wife.  Alan Moore agrees to let Marvel reprint all his work (provided his artists are onboard, which they appear to be), but requests that his name be taken off it and all his profits given to Anglo.

What happens from here is still to be seen, but Gaiman has indicated he wants to pick up where he left off.

Gotta run (I finally get a chance to write this post and it turns out I JUST BARELY do), but some more good sources are, as you might expect, Wikipedia's Marvelman article and a recent Moore interview at mania.com (part 1/part 2).  The interview's worth reading in and of itself; I particularly like the bit where he says if he were writing Batman today, he'd be...basically doing what they're doing in The Brave and the Bold animated series.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 07:40:17 AM »

MarvelMan returns in June


I wonder if this will make Alan Moore satisfied and he'll write some stories for Marvel now.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 07:52:29 AM »

Ohhh, so that's why they're killing off the Sentry.
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Re: KIMOTA!
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2010, 04:40:55 PM »

MarvelMan returns in June

Sorta.  Just reprints for now.  Of the Anglo stuff.

I wonder if this will make Alan Moore satisfied and he'll write some stories for Marvel now.

:lol: good one.
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Re: KIMOTA!
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2010, 07:56:10 PM »

ALAN MOORE IS NEVER SATISFIED

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Re: KIMOTA!
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2013, 09:27:36 AM »

Marvel to reprint the existing issues of Gaiman and Buckingham's Miracleman, and then finish the series.

Still no word on reprints of the Alan Moore run.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2013, 01:49:07 AM »

The Moore run will be included.  Which I kinda expected given Marvel's references to getting original art from multiple artists (not just Buckingham), but most of the comics press reported only the Gaiman/Buckingham run.

ComicsAlliance explains the confusion by pointing out that Marvel is contractually forbidden from using Moore's name -- but still and all, if they'd said Veitch, Totleben, and Davis I think people would have gotten the idea.

Bizarrely, CA doesn't seem to know why Marvel can't use Moore's name, despite the fact that he has explained every single time anyone has asked him that he gave Marvel permission to reprint his Marvelman work on the condition that they not use his name.  (It's a bit more fair for CA to state that the royalty situation is unclear, as Moore initially asked that his share go to Mick Anglo, but Anglo has died in the years since that arrangement was made.  Presumably Moore would like that money to go to Anglo's surviving family, if any, but of course that's just conjecture.)
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Re: KIMOTA!
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2014, 03:24:03 AM »

Miracleman #1 is out. It has two of the Alan Moore short-issues, followed by a bit of background, two of the old Mick Anglo stories (which quite capture the Captain Marvel 'science as magic' bit the Silver Age of comics would go on to perfect) and some tidbits from a meeting between Quesada and Mick Anglo that, while it may smack of WE SURE OWN THIS COPYRIGHT NOW gives a nice insight to how relaxed the whole thing was back in 1950. Just some British chaps, drinking wine in the mornings and cloning Captain Marvel for a bit of cash.

I guess Miracleman also mirrors the comic industry in that way: Something that used to be a lark, but ends up weighted and crumbling under its suddenly ascribed importance.

Alan Moore is not credited, which is a bit confusing on the credits list when you have "Story by: THE ORIGINAL WRITER". Still, all the other artists and writers are carefully credited.

Overall, a good presentation for a comic based on the deconstruction of a relic, which has gone on to be a relic itself. Pity He Who Will Not Be Named won't be able to comment on it further than expletives shouted from a window.

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Re: KIMOTA!
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2014, 10:20:18 AM »

Gaiman himself is concluding the arc he started? That's really cool. I know his arc was really out there but I liked it.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2014, 04:49:02 PM »

Gaiman's been trying to get the rights to finish his arc for 20 years now, yeah.  Started a company with the explicit purpose of acquiring the rights; eventually sold it to Marvel.  The long-running legal dispute with McFarlane was actually kind of a side effect of the whole thing.
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