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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #260 on: September 24, 2009, 11:31:38 AM »

Oh, phew.  That's not a very controlled experiment, but at least it's an ethical one.

I'm going to go ahead and assume the vaccine itself is just a step towards finding a cure or something because actually releasing something like that to the public sounds like a really bad idea.  I mean it's good if you're worried about condoms breaking maybe but otherwise, you know, people are really stupid.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #261 on: September 24, 2009, 11:51:41 AM »

It's actually about as controlled as this kind of study can get, I think. You have two populations, one control and one experimental. The control group receives placebo or no treatment, and shows more or less the expected rates of infection. The experimental group receives the treatment, and shows statistically significant reduction in infection. I would guess that this study represents Phase II clinical trails for the combination of vaccines tested. However, my google-fu was too weak to actually find the study and my education is in chemistry, not epidemiology, so maybe someone with access to medical journals or JSTOR or something and more medical training than I have can elaborate.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #262 on: September 24, 2009, 03:27:43 PM »

They actually required the participants to get education on aids prevention and gave them condoms and such.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #263 on: September 24, 2009, 03:48:35 PM »

If they did that to the control group too, it's probably not significant that they did.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #264 on: September 24, 2009, 04:36:03 PM »

If they did that to the control group too, it's probably not significant that they did.
They did it for both groups. The new vaccine is actually a combinations of two different vaccines that were tried previously and failed to have effect. One vaccine was administered for the first 6 months and the other was administered for the next 6, and they both focus on making the bodies immune system stronger or something. There was an NPR article about it today and it was pretty informative.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #265 on: October 13, 2009, 02:14:09 PM »

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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #266 on: October 13, 2009, 02:40:34 PM »

The best thing
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #267 on: October 13, 2009, 02:58:28 PM »

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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #268 on: October 13, 2009, 03:42:58 PM »

Ah, man, does this mean my constant attempts to take over the world being thwarted by technical issues are actually subtle acts of sabotage from the future?
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #269 on: October 13, 2009, 04:16:53 PM »

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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #270 on: October 13, 2009, 04:28:09 PM »

:lol:
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #271 on: October 13, 2009, 07:31:17 PM »

Is this what passes for science these days? Might as well say that the profane magics of R'lyeh were causing it to break. Didn't someone disprove the possibility of time travel at some point in the past? I had heard something like that but God knows I am too lazy to check or really care.

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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #272 on: October 13, 2009, 08:05:47 PM »

Yeah, there's no room to be silly when you're doing science, everybody knows that to be a scientist you must first be a very boring person.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #273 on: October 14, 2009, 12:05:38 AM »

Didn't someone disprove the possibility of time travel at some point in the future?
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #274 on: October 14, 2009, 09:15:24 AM »

time travel is possible but the only way to do it is almost indistinguishable from no time travel having taken place at all.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #275 on: October 14, 2009, 09:41:31 AM »

Time travel stuff is far too commonly thought of in terms of how we experience time.  In that we feel that since we acquire and have reference to more knowledge at a further 'forward' point in time, and we commonly feel that we are 'moving in time' when it's just as probable that time is just static and we arbitrarily chose a direction we liked.  It's entirely possible that if time does indeed flow in a direction, we chose the wrong one, and the universe actually tends to structure from chaos, and information is lost as one's view moves linearly along the dimension.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #276 on: October 14, 2009, 02:23:19 PM »

Time travel is impossible without knowing the location and speed of every particle in the universe.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #277 on: October 14, 2009, 03:25:20 PM »

So what your saying is, God himself is sabotaging the LHC from the future.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #278 on: October 14, 2009, 03:28:55 PM »

So I guess it is possible that someone or something like some force or energy could go back in time. Unless it is just some kind of backlash from the universe itself. That would sort of hint at some super intelligence in the universe which is getting out there. Wouldn't time being static and us moving mean that we exist in every space that we have ever or will ever occupy in time, simultaneously, or am I misunderstanding your idea?

My understanding was it would be like teleporting: way too complex because you'd have to account for all molecules and everything would get so complex that not even the best computers from our wildest dreams would be able to calculate it.
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Re: ¡Science!
« Reply #279 on: October 14, 2009, 03:29:20 PM »

Time travel is impossible without knowing the location and speed of every particle in the universe.

And flying is impossible unless you flap REALLY hard.
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