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Autobalance

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Suicide Option

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Brentai's idea

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Total Members Voted: 4

[Friday]

As satisfying as it was watching Brentai hurl himself to his death, I don't like the turn/suicide mechanic. If Brentai hadn't been able to resist, the vampires could have saved themselves. As it was, no sane human would have switched to a losing vamp team and all I could do was lash out in rage and vengeance. The vamps depend on their ability to turn; the game already moves too quickly to scry before turning every time, so making it even more of a crapshoot is just crippling the vampires. I know it sucks to be one night away from an inno win and then suddenly you are put on the other team against your will, but imagine starting as a vampire and knowing that the only way to increase your numbers to win the game is if you are already winning.

Thanks, Lee-Ham. You summed up my feelings on this nicely.

Was planning on making this thread/asking this question.

So, here's the deal:

Autobalance is gay.

Suicide option means players won't join a team that isn't already winning, making it that much harder for the wolves and especially the vampires to win the game. Seeing as how the wins so far have been:

1. Niku
2. Inno
3. Inno
4. Inno
5. Wolves
6. Wolves

I am not sure the vampires need this kind of nerf.

Suffice it to say: I don't like either option. I don't like how an innocent player can be sucked into a losing team and lose the game because of it, and I don't like how if suicide is an option, it heavily nerfs the vampires.

I've thought about this a lot. I can't come up with a good solution.

So... thoughts?

[Zaratustra]

make a shop sell anti-vampire items that give the suicide option

[Brentai]

My answer is basically what I suggested before: get rid of the need for Masters, any vampire can turn as long as they're alive.  This isn't broken as it necessitates making sure the last standing vampire doesn't get killed that night, either by being lynched, killed, or just blowing up - it's basically hard enough to get by as a vampire without forcing them to rely on two randomly chosen people anyway.

Leave suicide an option, BUT, if a single willing turn can effectively win the game by his or her self, then that person is going to be much less likely to see the call of the dark side as a chump deal.

Wolves don't need a balance in this regard.  The game is already designed such that wolves can win with just one good player, plus I think there may be one too many of them to start with.

[Guild]

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I'm done here.

[Friday]

After talking mostly in #ff about this I have come to this conclusion

1. Vampires start with Master and 1 turned
2. After master dies, any current turned can become the Master
3. this only works once
4. conversion is automatic, there is not suicide option

y/b

(I used this model for the fifth game by the way only with 2 starting turned and the vamps still lost)

RE: Brentai

I personally think infinite turning is OP as hell. I will run a game if a majority wants that, though!

[Friday]

OOOOOOOK

After more #ff discussion

I have come to what I want to run next game

Vampires begin with Dracula and 1 or 2 turned depending on game size

Dracula's turns are compulsory, you cannot suicide

After he dies and another assumes his throne, players get the suicide option. Both kinds can still scry.

[Guild]

good compromise, and it further complexifies the game