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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2010, 05:37:56 PM »

Whats more important to you, DA Artist? Creation, or acknowledgement and praise?

Yeah uh look at the way you phrased that question and tell me what you think the answer is.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2010, 05:47:13 PM »

It may fall more on the side of "reference" than "plagiarism", and everything he did was probably nice and legal.

Going to back off this a bit.  The fact that the story was pretty much identical to the Shadow story, plus the number of references used FROM that story, leads me to believe he'd have had a good chance of losing a case in court if it had ever gone there.  (Especially in an era where a court decided fucking Captain Marvel was an infringement of Superman, but that's a separate rant.)

Which leads me to wonder why nobody bothered.  Best guess is that the Shadow magazine used Donenfeld (National's co-owner) as a distributor.

We like to call this sort of thing 'using reference' and it's primarily considered a criminal act by 16-year-old girls with deviantart galleries.

If you "use reference" from the same source, repeatedly, in the same work, without attribution, then no, it starts to bump up on infringement.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2010, 06:12:40 PM »

If you "use reference" from the same source, repeatedly, in the same work, without attribution, then no, it starts to bump up on infringement.

What if it's many sources which are easily tracedidentified?
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2010, 06:14:52 PM »

If what Land was doing were illegal, Marvel would have shut him down by now.  Comics editors are INCREDIBLY gun-shy people.

So no, he falls on the "legal, but still a no-talent hack" end of the spectrum.  Which Kane did for most of his career, though I'm still not so sure about Detective #27.  Moot point, obviously.

...I should probably add, as context to the "signed his name to other people's work" thing, that this was common practice in those days, but that Kane was the only guy smarmy enough not to acknowledge it.  Siegel and Shuster, Caniff, et al were totally upfront about having to hire work out to others because they didn't have the time to do it all themselves.  Kane was the one who swore for decades that he did all the work himself.  Even when he dealt with his ghosts, he wouldn't tell them there were other ghosts -- "You're doing these issues, but I'm doing everything else myself."
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2010, 12:28:14 PM »

Whats more important to you, DA Artist? Creation, or acknowledgement and praise?

Yeah uh look at the way you phrased that question and tell me what you think the answer is.

Well clearly they just want to be jerked off by other artists. But still, thats terrible and makes me cry at night. :( I have to deal with this crap with young game developers all the time too.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2010, 01:59:35 PM »

...More thoughts: copying from somebody else's artwork seems like it'd be more likely to provoke litigation than copying from photo reference.

OTOH, given Greg Land's use of celebrities, I could see them potentially having an issue with likeness rights.

(I think Hitch and Robertson have acknowledged that their uses of Sam Jackson's and Simon Pegg's likenesses, respectively, opened them up to potential litigation, but both those guys turned out to be cool with the use -- in fact, one's already got a movie deal out of it, and fans are trying to draft the other.

At any rate, I doubt "artistic interpretation" is the only reason Nick Fury doesn't look like Sam Jackson in the Ultimate Avengers DVD's.)
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2010, 03:47:33 PM »

Oh now I'm curious. What character was Simon Pegg's likeness used for?
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2010, 05:03:07 PM »

Hughie, in The Boys.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2011, 10:32:00 PM »

Rich Johnston has done what Rich Johnston does best and exposed a fraudster, Rob Granito, a guy who's spent years claiming to be a pro who's worked on various comics and Batman: TAS while charging high dollar for "sketches" traced from other people's work.

Give the guy credit for two things: gigantic swinging balls.  After his plagiarism was exposed, not only did he start posting as a sock-puppet on various forums claiming to be somebody else vouching for himself even though his very-nearly-illiterate writing is instantly recognizable, but he showed up at a fucking convention.

There's lots more, and it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.  Nice seeing the guy get his comeuppance, at least.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2011, 05:45:06 AM »

Oh man, that "writing style". :lol:
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2011, 09:39:53 PM »

Joe Lieberman's nephew sells prints of other people's art.

He's still less of a prick than his uncle.

I guess now I can describe my view on copyright as "Somewhere in-between Joe and Chad Lieberman."  Or "Somewhere in-between Gene and Nick Simmons," I suppose.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2013, 04:19:50 PM »

Shia LeBeouf plagiarizes Dan Clowes, sets video to password-protected when people call him on it.
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2013, 07:38:06 AM »

EVEN HIS APOLOGY FOR PLAGIARIZING IS PLAGIARIZED!

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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2013, 07:56:17 AM »

Oh god
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2013, 08:16:44 AM »

pffflol
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2013, 08:22:57 AM »

When do we learn that Shia I'd actually just a plagiarized human being
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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2013, 08:49:15 AM »

EVEN HIS APOLOGY FOR PLAGIARIZING IS PLAGIARIZED!

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Re: Nick Simmons plagiarizes poorly
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2013, 04:42:38 PM »

What the fuck does he think he's doing, running for a Kentucky Senate seat?


...I gotta admit, though, lifting apologies verbatim from Tiger Woods and Robert McNamara is pretty funny.  I mean, a serious fucking dick move, but probably also be the wittiest thing he's ever done.

Which, granted, is a low bar, and it's not actually very damn smart at all to start shooting your mouth off when people are threatening legal action against you.

Whaddaya suppose is next, the standard celebrity apology-and-trip-to-rehab, or just do an Ashton Kutcher and hire someone to monitor his tweets before he posts them?


EDIT: ...Okay, one more, from Dr. Thaddeus Venture himself:

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