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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2010, 07:40:35 PM »

How about the month between the phone being lost and the story breaking?  Why wasn't he fired during that?
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2010, 01:02:02 PM »

Because firing him would imply he was the one at fault.

Because Apple wants to make it a case of theft, not a case of lost property.

Because police just aprehended Gizmodo's editor's computers in order to find the name of the person that sold them the phone.

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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2010, 01:13:11 PM »

Oooooh! This ought to get good!  :glee:

I wonder if it'll turn out that Powell's still employed because he claimed he was robbed?
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2010, 03:24:31 PM »

What in the FUCK is going on here

Because it looks like California's pissed about something that Apple doesn't care about.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2010, 03:45:09 PM »

Thoughtcrime.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2010, 11:03:28 PM »

It's really funny to compare this thread with the Talking Time Equivelent. Or comparing the threads on piracy. It makes me lol.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2010, 09:19:21 AM »

Apple's position in Flash seems to be:

1) We support open standards on the Web.
2) For this reason, we will not allow Flash on the Web.
3) For the same reason, we will not allow Flash on the App Store.

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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2010, 09:22:48 AM »

also we will not allow code in Flash's language to be ported to another language/framework that we support and then compiled
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #89 on: April 29, 2010, 12:10:33 PM »

I just don't understand how Jobs can crow about open platforms when Apple's flagship device is a carrier locked cell phone where applications can only be developed with Apple's approval and blessing. I'd write this off as an exception if their computer hardware wasn't designed to be upgradeable and unserviceable.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2010, 01:18:51 PM »

I guess its too much to ask for people to actually read the article.  Aside from the lengthy, true paragraphs about how awful and unstable Flash is, the basic idea is that there's nothing wrong with proprietary software, but proprietary formats are kind of dumb.  Which, y'know--if you're not an open source zealot--is pretty reasonable.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #91 on: April 29, 2010, 02:38:36 PM »

It IS rather reasonable until you realize it's coming from the dude that just limited the use of the iPhone API in every way possible. It's like hearing Bush speak against Saddam's invasion of Kuwait because invading other countries for no obvious reason is evil. PRETTY REASONABLE IN GENERAL BUT ONLY BEING USED TO FURTHER HIS OWN MEANS.

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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #92 on: April 29, 2010, 02:40:09 PM »

The issue I have isn't what's being said, it's who's doing the saying.

Let's look at iPhone app development; You can't make a program for the iPhone at all without Apple OKing you as a developer. Then, you create the app, and Apple has to approve the individual app. If you want to sell the app, you have to sell it through the app store. If a customer wants the app, they have to have an iPhone, and to have an iPhone they have to use AT&T. If the customer does not want to use AT&T, they can't use the app, and Apple reserves the right to brick the phone for taking it off the network.

I don't see how this is somehow different or better than "If you want to use Flash, you have to install a free plugin, and only Adobe gets to make flash players."
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2010, 03:10:04 PM »

One of these things is trying to make itself a web layout and video delivery mechanism standard.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2010, 03:11:23 PM »

The other thing is trying to make itself an EVERYTHING standard.

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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #95 on: April 29, 2010, 03:20:40 PM »

Honestly Jobs is kind of being a fucking tool here.  He has a laundry list of extremely good, hard to argue reasons for the decision, and keeps going back to the one that makes him look like the most self-unaware person on the planet.  Apple has been criticized for being too closed since the day it was freaking founded.

Adobe's rebuttal, on the other hand, puts into perspective why they're so understandably pissed: Apple just hamstrung Flash's interoperability, one of it's biggest selling points.  Hell, I remember Thad actually suggesting a few years ago that an aspiring game developer could switch to Mac and comfortably use Flash for cross-platform development.  That's still technically true... But it's not exactly tempting right now.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2010, 03:23:24 PM »

Wait he just said that Flash is made for mice and not touch interfaces.

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Theres a difference on a technical level? In fact, Flash only uses one button!
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2010, 03:52:14 PM »

I don't see how this is somehow different or better than "If you want to use Flash, you have to install a free plugin, and only Adobe gets to make flash players."

The difference here is that non-Adobe flash players exist.  Actionscript and .swf are open formats, and anyone can write readers for them.
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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2010, 08:06:17 PM »

So, basically, Steve Jobs is not only a hypocrite, he's basically completely wrong?

Also, has anyone else noticed the irony in closing your platform to someone because they don't operate an open platform?

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Re: Applepocalypse
« Reply #99 on: April 30, 2010, 09:13:13 AM »

Well, he does seem to impose values which are not universal

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