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Pointing and Laughing
« on: August 08, 2011, 07:49:37 AM »

Right.  And you know what equally-lazy task they could do now to commemorate Metroid?

Another limited run of Metroid Prime Trilogy.

I imagine the reason they haven't is that they can't justify the production/distribution cost based on their current sales.  It happens, particularly in the waning years of a console's lifespan; that's how we wound up with a fully-translated, unreleased Earth Bound NES.
Also: I have a hypothesis that Sakamoto resents the success of Metroid Prime. Despite his lack of involvement, Prime 1 completely overshadowed the next "real" Metroid game, launched almost at the same time.
I remember sometime before Other M came out, he declared the Prime trilogy to be effectively non-canon in an interview.

Woulda' been pretty sweet to see that reprinted though.

Good thing I bought a copy on day one, on a whim, having only ever played the original Metroid, having no idea how rare the trilogy would become. :itsmagic:
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2011, 08:10:55 AM »

I've thought occasionally about getting a copy, but I already own the first 2 games on GameCube (and never finished the second).  All I'd be getting out of the ports would be widescreen and an (I'm told) inferior control scheme.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2011, 08:38:51 AM »

I thought the control scheme was the best thing about Metroid Prime 3, but that might not be the highest praise.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2011, 09:09:56 AM »

The controller scheme I fine IN METROID PRIME 3.  It's a little too fiddly for all the tiny bug things you have to shoot at in Prime.

It still irritates me to no end that standard GC controls aren't even an option.  I mean, whyyyyyyyy?
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2011, 09:53:58 AM »

Change the lock-on feature so that you can't aim elsewhere when you lock on to something. I did that in 3 anyway.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2011, 10:18:54 AM »

I personally found that the Wii control scheme in Prime 1 made some parts of the game way more manageable (O HAY PHAZON MINES).  I imagine it might even make  Prime 2 playable, but ymmv and having beaten them all once may have had something to do with it.  WAGGLE OR GO HOME is one of my least favorite parts of the Wii, admittedly (looking at you, DKCR). 
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2011, 10:27:37 AM »

I can't believe there are people who think "point at thing to point at thing" is a less intuitive control scheme in comparison to an FPS that only used one stick.

I mean really now.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2011, 10:40:55 AM »

Either way it's probably not worth the wackily high prices the collection is going for these days if you don't already have it.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2011, 12:30:45 PM »

I can't believe there are people who think "point at thing to point at thing" is a less intuitive control scheme in comparison to an FPS that only used one stick.

:strawman:
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2011, 12:50:19 PM »

I thought the control scheme was the best thing about Metroid Prime 3, but that might not be the highest praise.

i thought the best thing was the fact that it had an implementation of achievements that actually worked as god intended.

not to say that it was a bad game, it was a solid game, but apparently the idea of in-game unlockable toys and features has just disappeared in the modern era, replaced by unlockable pop culture jokes that also gain you no benefit whatsoever.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2011, 01:12:12 PM »

I thought the control scheme was the best thing about Metroid Prime 3, but that might not be the highest praise.

i thought the best thing was the fact that it had an implementation of achievements that actually worked as god intended.

not to say that it was a bad game, it was a solid game, but apparently the idea of in-game unlockable toys and features has just disappeared in the modern era, replaced by unlockable pop culture jokes that also gain you no benefit whatsoever.

Dead rising also had this and it was awesome. It was my first experience of achievements and I've been disappointed by them ever since. Being told "good job!" is just way worse than being able to unlock an arm cannon.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2011, 01:33:53 PM »

not only that but the gold (i think?) achievements in MP3 also usually came with a cutscene where samus does something really fucking cool, and are obtained by trying to do something really fucking cool that you would hope would work, like putting a bomb on the bridges in sky world to retract them while there are still space pirates standing on it.

also, bonus points for not telling the player what or where achievements are, so you don't feel compelled to grind them out or anything. this is honestly better!
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2011, 07:26:31 PM »

There's a genuine question here of whether the kid would be completely fucked up on the basis of being named an embarassing name after a word in a fake language in a video game, or on the basis of being named an embarassing name so his/her parents could themselves get free video games.
If it were me, I would name the kid for the free games, then legally change the name after the paperwork is done.

Just sayin'.
I can't believe there are people who think "point at thing to point at thing" is a less intuitive control scheme in comparison to an FPS that only used one stick.

:strawman:
Whatever, I'll just be over here moving and turning at the same time. :shrug:
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2011, 09:04:06 PM »

Which is great as long as you never have to change visors or look at a map.

You don't have to change visors or look at a map very often in Metroid Prime, do you?
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2011, 09:20:46 PM »

visors is wiimote +pad map is nunchuck C

if i remember right

the thing in MP3 is that you don't have multiple beam types, it's like older metroids where you just change to a better gun when you get it
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2011, 10:50:22 PM »

Yeah, accessing the map is the same as it ever was, and changing weapons or visors means pressing a button and then moving the cursor, which is admittedly a step up from just pressing a button, but hardly enough to justify calling the whole scheme inferior.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2011, 11:01:55 PM »

Visor changing is a real pain in Wiimote-MP1.  I haven't gotten past it so I can't compare it to the game that was fucking made for Wiimote controls.

Again, note that part, please.

MP1 was literally, specifically, and very very clearly built around pad controls.  The entire game was made with the express purpose of proving that pad controls could work in an FPS.  So yeah, taking out pad controls is, in the first place, a lot like taking the giant goddamned console out of Steel Battalion, and secondly it just doesn't work very well because shit wasn't meant to be played that way.  It becomes very goddam clear when you face the very first boss outside of the tutorial and can't hit shit because it's literally just several waves of small zippy things that circle around you, and it turns out that "point at a vaguely defined invisible area at the edge of the screen to turn" is a lot less intuitive than "press a direction to turn in that direction" when you're trying to find things that aren't all up your face.

Which is not to say that the Wiimote controls are "bad" or "inferior" - I rather enjoy the fuck out of them, especially when you're up against (big, slow) space pirates.  Which I understand is mostly what you're up against in MP3.  But yeah, when someone who hasn't even played the first game the way it was designed jumps up and rabidly defends "his" way of doing things because somebody pointed out that it doesn't really 100% work in a janky retrofit, I have to glance up at the URL bar and make sure I haven't accidentally typed in GameFAQs.

And of course, Nintendo not putting in the option is so, so stupid.  I'm guessing they really just imported the first two games' data into the MP3 engine and were too lazy to re-implement GC controls, but Jesus have some fucking pride in your historic accomplishments in the field of giving FPSes consolitis forever.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2011, 03:34:05 AM »

But yeah, when someone who hasn't even played the first game the way it was designed jumps up and rabidly defends "his" way of doing things because somebody pointed out that it doesn't really 100% work in a janky retrofit, I have to glance up at the URL bar and make sure I haven't accidentally typed in GameFAQs.
is that what they're calling it now
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2011, 06:13:39 AM »

Metroid Prime controlled like crap no matter what controller you were using, and it wasn't because of visor switching.
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Re: Pointing and Laughing
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2011, 09:02:08 AM »

But yeah, when someone who hasn't even played the first game the way it was designed jumps up and rabidly defends "his" way of doing things because somebody pointed out that it doesn't really 100% work in a janky retrofit, I have to glance up at the URL bar and make sure I haven't accidentally typed in GameFAQs.
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Would you prefer "gives repeated single-sentence knee-jerk responses that are completely free of detail, comparative analysis, or any acknowledgement that a single shred of an opposing viewpoint -- as conveyed by someone who has more experience than he does with the topic at hand -- may have the least bit of merit?"

Me, I think it's a little wordy.

Hey, I've never actually played MP3.  Or the retrofitted MP1&2.  I'm actually quite interested in hearing the opinions of people who have direct, personal experience with them!  Noro, Bongo, and Brent have all provided useful information.  You've provided no actual information, useful or otherwise.

Far be it from me to criticize smug condescension, but dude, back that shit up with something.
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