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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #480 on: May 03, 2012, 08:34:20 AM »

Must be a Miller thing.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #481 on: May 03, 2012, 08:38:12 AM »

D'OHHHHH

Anyway.  I saw an Al Franken performance back in '04 and, during audience Q&A, somebody asked him "What happened to Dennis Miller?"

Franken said he was always like that.

He didn't criticize him; he was more diplomatic about it (which suggests that he's probably on friendlier terms with Miller than, say, Victoria Jackson).  He said that Dennis has always gone in for that kind of visceral, emotional, angry-at-what's-going-on-in-the-world type of comedy.  He added that while you didn't see much of it on the bits of SNL that broadcast, he'd frequently do audience warmup with that type of material back in those days.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #482 on: August 01, 2012, 12:31:00 PM »

Pepper Spray Cop Pike finally fired; collected more than double my annual pay while on the past 9 months' administrative leave.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #483 on: August 01, 2012, 01:05:45 PM »

College tuition is such a complicated issue, further complicated by the growing uselessness of the college degree.
Consider how many people are majoring in shit that doesn't make them more marketable, vs STEM and things more directly applicable to their desired field.

I think a lot of the "college graduate" bitching about how employers aren't kicking in their doors is coming from people with BAs in psych, history, communication, etc..

I'm sure that's part of it, but...guy with a CS degree working a temp job where he images laptops all day over here.
Yeah, and before that, you were being exploited by a local ISP. My reaction to both remains, "What the fuck?"

Does it have something to do with being somewhere without jobs, but without the income/desire to move? No acceptable telecommute jobs?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #484 on: August 01, 2012, 01:29:16 PM »

Little bit of all of that, now peppered with the problem of holding an 8-year-old CS degree with no professional experience beyond some freelance PHP development.  People who ARE hiring entry-level positions want guys right out of school.

Meanwhile I've racked up plenty of hours doing IT, but surprisingly few people are looking for LAMP admins.  The good news, such as it is, is that forecasts call for a hell of a lot of companies still needing people to upgrade them to Windows 7.  Hey, it's work.

I've still got feelers out there and am keeping the ol' resume current but I'm not actively looking for work at the moment, because (1) it looks like this place will need me at least through November; (2) the pay is decent and it's low-stress.

Far as trying to break out of this rut I've got a few ideas; I'd still like to try my hand at making a game sometime, and I submitted an audition to ACX before it got too damn hot to sit in a house with the AC and fans turned off and intend to submit more when it cools down a bit.  (Wrote a comic script too, but that was more of a just-for-fun kinda thing.)

Why?  How's the market out your way?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #485 on: August 01, 2012, 01:37:14 PM »

A friend at Blizzard asked me to apply and is recommending me, but I haven't seen it pan out yet. Might be that Blizzard is slow, or that it got thumbs-downed without him hearing. I have no clue. Been over a month.

I've been utterly remiss in my job search, due to a lack of pressure, and have been considering grad school. Starting to think that going to grad school without first landing a job will be dangerous for future hiring prospects.

I think if I tried something in the start-up direction, I have enough faith from one of my university instructors that I could swing some emergency seed money. I'm sort of tempted to ask people like the ANTLR guy and others working on OSS make ends meet. I'm assuming it's unsavory (to cave-geeks) stuff like talks, support, and book sales.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #486 on: August 01, 2012, 02:36:52 PM »

Hey, I know at least one company near Irvine who will hire you if you have a Master's degree but lack any sort of experience or basic competence.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #487 on: August 01, 2012, 04:01:02 PM »

Sounds like a great place to work.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #488 on: September 17, 2012, 08:45:45 AM »

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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #489 on: September 17, 2012, 11:16:48 AM »

Molly Crabapple arrested again.

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While we were being put into van a suit grinned and told the cops “nice work”

EDIT: Warren Ellis has things to say.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #490 on: September 26, 2012, 12:33:52 PM »

UC Davis settles for $1M, agrees to let ACLU help develop its new standards for how not to pepper-spray peaceful protesters in the face.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #492 on: October 10, 2012, 12:34:49 PM »

"Coming up next: A new trend that's sweeping the nation. Wasting food!"


Coming up next: A new trend that's sweeping the nation. Wasting food!


Wasting Food

I'm beginning to notice a pattern here.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #493 on: October 10, 2012, 07:18:25 PM »

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According to Occupy Gardens Toronto, the reason given for the destruction of the vegetable garden is that they didn't have permission to grow a vegetable garden in the park.

It seems impossible that nobody noticed the garden and gardeners tending to these heirloom plants for almost five months. That the garden was allowed to grow for all this time without being removed can be construed as permission.

That's a pretty shitty thing to do on the end of The Man but seems a little derpy-doo on Occupy's end.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #494 on: October 10, 2012, 08:56:58 PM »

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a little derpy-doo on Occupy's end.

This is the recurring story of OWS. Unlike the tea party which was run largely by adults with a primary goal (albeit a dumb one), OWS can't seem to figure out a message, has basically no leadership, and inundates themselves with projects largely aimed at 'sticking one to the man' that inevitably backfire, and then everybody but them ends up being framed as the bad guy.

I will give that the city of Toronto could have actually done something with the vegetable garden's harvest, like giving it to a food bank or something, and that was super shitty. But the city has the responsibility to maintain the property, issue permits, enforce permits, etc. When somebody comes out and says "fuck the system, I'm taking this land and using it" ignoring that is basically an endorsement of anarchy. At the risk of being "it's a slippery slope" guy, when does it end? Tent villages become permanent shanty towns in the parks? They let us build a garden, let's see if they'll let us build a house! And then six months later when the city does cleanup in the park they get to demolish a bunch of houses and get another story in the paper talking about how heartless the city of Toronto is for tearing up affordable green housing.

IMO, OWS needs some serious leadership and a bit more focus in it's message. Leftist protests in general do, because as it is it's hard to take them seriously since it inevitably devolves into a bunch of hippies who don't know what it is they're acutally protesting, why it's relevant, or what needs to be done to fix it. Protesting is basically the equivelant of a leftist block party, with burning man being the family reunion. If somebody could take these people and point them in a real direction and convince them to start supporting political candidates and pushing for bills to be passed and unify the message, we could have a huge grass roots movement to fight lobbying, corruption, income inequality, etc, with the actual electing power that the TPP had.
 
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #495 on: October 10, 2012, 09:03:00 PM »

In fairness, part of why the Tea Party was so well-organized was that it was almost immediately co-opted by the Republican Establishment.  (That it has been a less-than-reliable ally of the Republican Establishment was foreseeable to any reasonable human being, but the Republican Establishment does not really fit under that category.)  There's also the matter of the media's respective coverage of the two organizations, which we've already gone into at length in this thread.

But that's not to say you're wrong.  I've always seen OWS as a pretty aimless organization, with a great deal of potential but largely squandering it.

Coincidentally, within the half-hour I'll have a blog post up with Frank Zappa talking about much the same thing forty years ago.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #496 on: October 10, 2012, 09:28:11 PM »

In fairness, part of why the Tea Party was so well-organized was that it was almost immediately co-opted by the Republican Establishment.  (That it has been a less-than-reliable ally of the Republican Establishment was foreseeable to any reasonable human being, but the Republican Establishment does not really fit under that category.)

Hey maybe the Democratic party should co-opt OWS. Oh wait, they represent big business, nevermind.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #497 on: October 10, 2012, 10:54:47 PM »

My big question is did the authorities spend five months trying to politely tell the sorta-protestors to move their shit, or did they specifically decide to sit by watching while people did actual work until the optimal time to move in and take a big shit on their effort?

If it's the latter I think we're past the point of appealing to the authorities' sense of responsibility.
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« Reply #498 on: October 11, 2012, 05:39:14 AM »

My big question is did the authorities spend five months trying to politely tell the sorta-protestors to move their shit, or did they specifically decide to sit by watching while people did actual work until the optimal time to move in and take a big shit on their effort?

If it's the latter I think we're past the point of appealing to the authorities' sense of responsibility.

If the New York OWS eviction was any indication, I would say that the city probably spent five months politely telling them to knock it off. OWS are destructive little fuckers and I think the authorities have been exceedingly fair with them thus far, riot police aside. Say what you want about the Tea Party, they always got permits for their protests and were apparently pretty good about cleaning up after themselves and not destroying public property.


In fairness, part of why the Tea Party was so well-organized was that it was almost immediately co-opted by the Republican Establishment.  (That it has been a less-than-reliable ally of the Republican Establishment was foreseeable to any reasonable human being, but the Republican Establishment does not really fit under that category.)

Hey maybe the Democratic party should co-opt OWS. Oh wait, they represent big business, nevermind.

This stings pretty bad but it's absolutely true. It pains me how much the left let OWS shit in the wind when the right fully embraced and utilized the TPP. If Democrats had many any attempt to really reach out to OWS I think we would be seeing a very different narrative playing out in this election. But I think the Democrats think they can win without having to fuck around with the status quo, which has made them quite a lot of money.

I just don't understand why the left seems so insistent on embracing the policies of the right, as the right continues to rush further and further to the extreme. If we want to shatter this "both sides are the same" shit (that, by the way, exclusively seems to bother liberal voters) once and for all, the Left needs to start being fucking leftists. I think the political narrative could change pretty drastically if somebody just got up and said "Yes, I am a socialist, just like dozens of presidents and governments before me, the governments that got us through the great depression and sparked the industrial revolution and insured income equality, health insurance, and the 40 hour work week would be available for everybody - do you have a problem with America's success?"
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #499 on: October 11, 2012, 07:01:54 AM »

I just don't understand why the left seems so insistent on embracing the policies of the right, as the right continues to rush further and further to the extreme. If we want to shatter this "both sides are the same" shit (that, by the way, exclusively seems to bother liberal voters) once and for all, the Left needs to start being fucking leftists. I think the political narrative could change pretty drastically if somebody just got up and said "Yes, I am a socialist, just like dozens of presidents and governments before me, the governments that got us through the great depression and sparked the industrial revolution and insured income equality, health insurance, and the 40 hour work week would be available for everybody - do you have a problem with America's success?"

But I think the Democrats think they can win without having to fuck around with the status quo, which has made them quite a lot of money.

I'd say that pretty much answers that question.
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