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we've been doing this all wrong
« on: October 02, 2013, 04:03:06 AM »

why the hell is it called an exquisite knorpse instead of a knytting circle
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 04:06:07 AM »

holy shit
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 04:30:06 AM »

Well, now we know what to call the next one.
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 04:37:19 AM »

all my double tyrannicals
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 05:14:37 AM »

Because the K isn't silent? Listen to the creator talk about it: http://vimeo.com/m/9440930

So kuh-norpse works as a better pun than you'd expect, given the English-speaking habit of skipping a leading K.

Kuh-nitting is still pretty good though.
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 10:00:06 AM »

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Well, now we know what to call the next one.

"When hell freezes over"?

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Your game is harder than you think, by a lot

He talks about how he eventually discovered that what he thought was easy was normal, normal was hard, etc.

I basically learned that this go round, except my difficulty sense is so warped that I'm actually TWO steps below. What I think is easy is hard, and normal is very hard/expert.

Still, good advice. There's a story that battletoads is so fuckdamn hard because the devs got so good at it that they kept upping the ante to make it "interesting" to the playerbase. I don't know if that's true, but it's certainly a factor in game design to keep in mind.
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 10:47:03 AM »

I really like following what Greg Street from WoW says on Twitter, because a lot of times you get interesting insights like "We have the data; if you put up a difficulty wall in front of people, they don't rise to the occasion, they just go play something else."
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 11:07:48 AM »

Yep. People are not interested in difficulty, they are interested in fun. There's another quote from someone (I forgot) but it basically states "There's no such thing as a movie that doesn't let me see the ending if I'm not good enough for it."
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 11:59:08 AM »

Some people are interested in difficulty sometimes. Give those people the option to create their own difficulty. Risk/reward systems are good for that, but even just vaguely suggesting at the possibility of a challenge run can open things up tremendously. Nethack-style conducts should be more prevalent in every genre.
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 12:27:10 PM »

Yeah, I'm gonna be making more use of difficulty sliders, that's for sure.

I don't really think the "hard parts give keys which unlocks harder parts" worked, because everyone just cheated the keys in in the end and then skipped past Death to see the final ending.

Death 3.0 will just be in the open for people to attempt if they wish.

Of course, this is all moot, because ek4 will never ever happen in a million fucking years. Sure, right now there's like 3 people posting in the thread, but eventually Niku will lose interest and Bongo and I will have to make the entire game again minus a few short sections from Stush and Kazz and yyler and fuck that.
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 12:31:05 PM »

"eventually" meaning halfway through EK2
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 01:35:42 PM »

you can actually see the screen in Niku's area where the lava dims, the fire bouncers lose their bounce, the quad homing shot flies sink into depression, never to enjoy life again
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 01:36:08 PM »

the fucking lava seahorses are still dicks though
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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 02:36:05 PM »

Of course, this is all moot, because ek4 will never ever happen in a million fucking years.

B-But I made this title screen!

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Re: we've been doing this all wrong
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 02:37:20 PM »

hashtag exquisiteknorpse
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