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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2008, 05:55:35 PM »

It's official  :approve:

Now they just need to announce that James Nesbitt will be the eleventh Doctor and good times, they will roll.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2008, 08:09:14 PM »

H O L Y   S H I T




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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2008, 09:06:46 PM »

FanTAStic.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2008, 05:53:29 PM »

Okay.  I'm doing my best not to go all gushing fanboy here, but...seriously, how the HELL does he do it?  How does he manage to hit one out of the park every single time?  And dare we hope that, two years from now, every week will give us an episode this good?  (Or at least more than two a season?)

He just nails it pretty much everywhere.  The setting, the monster, the imagery, the mystery.  And of course, most compelling of all, at least for me and certainly from a long-term perspective, is River Song.  And honestly, the idea of the Doctor encountering [spoiler]a companion he hasn't met yet[/spoiler] seems so obvious that it's a wonder nobody seems to have thought of it before.

[spoiler]It seems to contradict the Ood's foreshadowing that the Tenth Doctor was nearing the end of his run; River Song clearly recognized him.  I suppose it's possible that she recognized him through some means other than his appearance and assumed he'd regenerated, but that seems a bit of a stretch.  The more plausible interpretation is that the Tenth Doctor continues on as he is and takes her on as a companion, some short while after Donna's departure.[/spoiler]

(EDIT: [spoiler]You know, it's not necessarily either-or.  It's quite possible that Tennant is still the Doctor by the end of Series Four but not by the beginning of Series Five.  There are still those movies they're putting out next year; it's quite possible that #10 and River Song could be in those, and even possible that a significant amount of time could pass between Series Four and the movies -- hell, if he could "one year later" over the course of a single WEEK, #10 and River Song could potentially have YEARS of implied adventures in-between movies.  So maybe Moffat gets his foreshadowed existing relationship between #10 and River Song, and RTD gets his foreshadowed regeneration into #11.  Actually, the more I think about it, the more plausible that sounds; RTD works with Tennant until the end of his run, which is the last movie, not the series four finale, and then the Eleventh Doctor is a new toy for Moffat to play with.[/spoiler]  Also, I am typing out "River Song", both names, an awful lot here.  Is it a first name/last name thing, or a dual name like I've been writing it?  I didn't really catch that.  But "Professor River Song" makes a lot more sense than "Professor Song".)

Any way you slice it, I think it's very clear that Moffat's already laying the groundwork for his run.

And perhaps the most compelling twist would be if [spoiler]she died in next week's episode[/spoiler].  A tad predictable, perhaps, but it would certainly make things interesting when [spoiler]she showed back up[/spoiler] during his run -- something which I think is all but inevitable now.

If I had a complaint at all, it's that he overplayed his hand with the "How can somebody be dead AND saved?" bit.  Think the solution to that one's fairly obvious.  And even if I'm wrong, it seems like somebody should have at least suggested the obvious solution by now.

Anyway.  Damn fine ep all around; looking forward to next week's.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2008, 01:52:20 PM »

Part of me feels like I should complain that part 2 was so utterly predictable, but really I think that's because it was totally consistent with what he set up in part 1.  Moffat follows the rules, and he leaves breadcrumbs -- I knew who The Empty Child's mummy was, too, but that's not a bad thing.

RTD can bust out some Tinkerbell shit and a special effects extravaganza and I guess that's surprising after its own fashion.  So surprising the audience isn't always good.  Doing something obvious and still making the audience care enough to fist-pump and shout "fuck yeah" is a lot harder, and that's what Moffat did this time around.

If there WAS one false note, it's the one I already pointed out last week: that it took the Doctor so long to figure out what "saved" meant when I got it immediately.  I don't like stories where I'm smarter than the Doctor.  (This recalls a comment my uncle made a couple times about Superman's super-brain: the problem is that it only makes him as smart as the writer.)

And speaking of Superman, there was more than a whiff of For the Man Who Has Everything in Donna's story.  And maybe a little bit of the ending of Crisis on Infinite Earths in the ending.

And, praise Jebus, the sylvestermccoy.com fansite was wrong and [spoiler]Rose didn't appear anywhere in this arc[/spoiler].  I had a moment of panic when [spoiler]Hooded Figure first showed up[/spoiler], and was very relieved when [spoiler]I heard her speak[/spoiler].  Because seriously, that would have been awful.

Anyway.  Lots of really cool stuff at work here, and Moffat's clearly got some good ideas for his version of the Doctor.  2010 can't come soon enough.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2008, 01:40:25 PM »

Expected this week's to be a bit of a letdown after the last two, but I actually thoroughly enjoyed it.

The structure is classic -- a single, confined space, filled with stock characters; something happens to generate conflict, tensions run high, and everyone's at everyone else's throats.

The comparison to Snakes on a Plane (and other, similar disaster movies) is unavoidable, but IMO it evokes Twelve Angry Men more than anything.

This is the only episode where I've been left thinking "I really want a behind-the-scenes look at how they did that one."  The bottle setting lends itself to the possibility of shooting in sequence, something that Twelve Angry Men famously did to build the actors' tension; I'm curious if anything similar happened here.

Sharkey mentioned that the Sontaran arc was the first to impress him with the direction rather than the writing; I would add that this is the first I've seen that impressed me entirely because of the acting.

All in all, a really impressive little bottle drama.

Trivia:
The First Doctor serial The Edge of Destruction featured a similar plot of the Doctor and his companions trapped on the TARDIS and becoming increasingly paranoid.
Professor Hobbes is played by David Troughton, son of Second Doctor Patrick Troughton.

Next week: RTD's big finale starts.  For episode one, expect lots of histrionics from Donna and Rose, and a big reveal with Caan and Davros at the end.  For episode two, expect that bit with Harriet Jones that all the tabloids were yakking about back in March.  For episode three, expect a deus ex machina to top all deus ex machinas that have come before.  Also, expect Donna not to actually die despite all foreshadowing to the contrary.

Other characters I expect to appear, in order of likelihood: Jenny, Martha, Jack, Jackie, Mickey, Pete, Sarah Jane, anyone else from either of the spinoffs.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2008, 08:57:52 PM »

The 6/28 ep's title has been revealed as The Stolen Earth.  Gibes with the Harriet Jones rumors.

And, you know, every Dalek story, RTD season finale, or alien invasion of any kind.

They didn't keep the title under wraps because it gave too much away.  They kept it under wraps just to fuel fan speculation.  (The sylvestermccoy.com fan site I've mentioned several times as being repeatedly and hilariously wrong had it as "War on Skaro".)
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2008, 07:42:16 PM »

Wikipedia gives the plot of the finale away, and seriously..

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Also, was reading the fan spoiler site and came across this little gem:

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Message for RTD. PLEASE PLEASE don't make any of these stories a global warming story. While most people on Earth think it's carbon causing the increasing temperature the Doctor would KNOW it is just the sun's solar cycle. If there's anything about carbon/global warming, please let it be the other characters who say it.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2008, 07:28:10 PM »

Just watched "Midnight" today, and it was a really good episode.  In fact, it's RTD at his best, which seems rare these days.  It manages to practice fully the horror technique of keeping the audience in the dark.  We never understand what's fully going on, and the biggest tension comes from the characters themselves.

Also, as I watched it I was intensely reminded of the Satan Pit arc.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2008, 08:11:05 PM »

...So what was the problem with the Satan Pit arc? I enjoyed the hell out of it, particularly the bits with Toby's imaginary friend.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2008, 08:38:33 PM »

I was not refering to the quality of it, but the content.  Watch Midnight and you'll get the connection.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2008, 10:39:29 AM »

Wikipedia gives the plot of the finale away, and seriously..

 :facepalm:

I kinda figured.  But I'm still staying off Wikipedia.  Continue to tag spoilers appropriately, blah blah blah.

Also, was reading the fan spoiler site and came across this little gem:

Oh yes, that's a big part of why I derive intense schadenfreude every time that site turns out to be wrong.

Its description of Silence/Forest still contains the following:

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Donna starts receiving strange images of a girl with blond hair. The girl's name is Rose and she warns Donna of a plan by the Daleks and an old enemy of the Doctor's to destroy her universe.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2008, 01:39:52 PM »

Well, could have been worse.  Rose was actually well-used, though as a magic all-knowing enigma.  (There's got to be a literary expression for that.)

The "What would happen if the Doctor hadn't been around?" angle was decent enough, although predictable, and of course it's amusing that RTD goes to great lengths to explain what happened with the hospital, the Titanic, the Adipose, and the Sontarans while completely ignoring Pompeii, Elizabethan England, and 1930's Manhattan.

Of course, there was an overwhelming feeling of "We've been here before, just two weeks ago" across the ep, but it was actually acknowledged in the ending.  There's going to be some payoff relating to Donna as a bridge between worlds, and I admit to finding it interesting that it looks like there's actually a REASON she first appeared right after the Doctor said goodbye to Rose.

Obvious weaknesses: Donna back to being unsympathetic and shrieky (forgivable since it's part of the "What would have happened without the Doctor around?" premise); complete physical impossibility of "The stars are going out" plot.

Checking the scoreboard:

Next week: RTD's big finale starts.  For episode one, expect lots of histrionics from Donna and Rose,

Confirmed.

and a big reveal with Caan and Davros at the end.

[spoiler]Nope, not yet.[/spoiler]

Other characters I expect to appear, in order of likelihood: Jenny,

[spoiler]Not yet.    [/spoiler]

Martha,

[spoiler]Confirmed.[/spoiler]

Jack,

[spoiler]Confirmed.[/spoiler]

Jackie,

[spoiler]Not yet.    [/spoiler]

Mickey,

[spoiler]Not yet.    [/spoiler]

Pete,

[spoiler]Not yet.    [/spoiler]

Sarah Jane,

[spoiler]Confirmed.[/spoiler]

anyone else from either of the spinoffs.

[spoiler]Confirmed.[/spoiler]
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2008, 11:01:57 PM »

Yeah, that was hardly complete and utter shit. A bit funny with the picking and choosing of storylines to acknowledge, but otherwise pretty okayish. Kind of helps that by this point I expect any RTD season finale to be embarrassing horseshit that must be hidden from girlfriends who have otherwise enjoyed it, if only because they've only been exposed to the one or two episodes a season that fail to make me wish I didn't like this stuff.

Also, it can hardly be just me, but somehow Rose seems sinister as all fuck all of a sudden. I would really, really like it to death if she somehow turned out to be genuinely villainous at some point. Then again, I feel that way about a lot of blond exes. It'd make things easier, but rarely ever happens.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2008, 12:27:05 AM »

Right, you set the bar low enough and you're bound to be entertained.

Did I mention I liked Get Smart?

I am easy to please when it is 110 out and I go into a darkened, air conditioned room for two hours.

Anyway.  Rose as a villain would be way cooler than whatever is bound to actually happen.

Also, Donna actually dying, and me feeling bad about it, would be a coup in and of itself.  I know I've made the comparison before, but I remember reading a post somewhere where someone suggested it would have been awesome if Lucas had spent Episodes 2 and 3 somehow making everyone like Jar-Jar and then killing him off at the end.

That's kinda what they did with Adric in the Fifth Doctor run.  He was still an annoying little shit, but his death had a sense of tragedy about it.

...Of course, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.  The first 2/3 of LAST season's finale were pretty good too.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2008, 09:57:31 AM »

I can appreciate the attempt at a Donna story, because as annoying as I'm sure she's meant to be, Moffat proved that it isn't impossible to use her towards a sorta no-bullshit bitchy-mom angle that's more amusing and direct than grating. I get bored with how Rose and Martha are so damn fragile and sensitive all the time when the Doctor's more than able to, however briefly, play that role when needed.

So you'll understand my frustration when RTD goes and does the complete opposite of being direct in, once again, bringing in his companion's parents. I suppose I like Donna's maw'n'paw more than the last two we've been given, but it's still a continuous downer that jumps in to murder the momentum at least once every five minutes, with absolutely no payoff save for the ephemeral tension that we know doesn't matter on account of how fixing the timeline makes it all pretty meaningless. Why does he keep forcing in these characters which don't have any idea what's going on, no real role to play but "confused", nor any apparent impact on Donna or the story at hand?

Uhg.

Episodes like this remind me of watching Voyager, which last time I checked, was exactly what was wrong with science fiction. Really hoping this is just the crushingly retarded Last of the Time Lords of his pretty decent Utopia and Sound of Drums.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2008, 10:24:54 AM »

Well, by the end of season 2, I liked Jackie better than Rose, but yeah, the family crap is definitely an angle that's hurt RTD's run.  I understand why it's there -- Lord knows most of the companions in the original series were interchangeable cardboard cutouts -- but trying to grant a character more depth by surrounding her by a family of stock characters hardly does the job.

That said, under the circumstances -- unemployed and eventually a refugee -- it was logical that Donna would be with her family, not on her own.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2008, 07:51:10 PM »

Finally got caught up. Apart from a really, really lame first episode they seem to have got a much better ratio of good (or at least watchable) episodes to complete drek than the last season. And even Donna isn't half as irritating as I was expecting she'd be. And the Sontarans were super, super great.

My wish list for Season 5:

-Lay off the full-scale alien invasions a bit. Between flying saucers destroying Big Ben, Cybermen, Daleks, retarded fat monsters, monsters made out of retarded fat, Sontarans nearly killing the entire world and whatever else I'm forgetting it's getting harder and harder to believe that the average Londoner STILL doesn't know aliens exist.

-No more aliens that are just giant earth animals or animal-people. Please. Even the mysterious invisible transdimensional time-eating parasites were just big stag beetles. That's unbelievably lame.

-On a similar note, I know the writers love being oh-so-very-clever but can we at least TRY to avoid the moronic Harry Potter quasi-Latin alien names like Pyrovalien and Vespifuckstick? Thanks.

-No more episodes where you travel back in time to shamelessly kiss the ass of some dead historical figure. You're just embarrassing yourself.

-Take it easy with the fucking sonic screwdriver already.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2008, 10:46:13 PM »

it's getting harder and harder to believe that the average Londoner STILL doesn't know aliens exist.

See, despite Donna's misplaced skepticism in last week's ep, that's not the vibe I get at all.  I'm under the impression that, ever since the Big Ben attack, the existence of aliens is common knowledge.

Didn't Martha acknowledge, in her first appearance, that it wasn't the first time aliens had shown up in London?

-On a similar note, I know the writers love being oh-so-very-clever but can we at least TRY to avoid the moronic Harry Potter quasi-Latin alien names like Pyrovalien and Vespifuckstick? Thanks.

-No more episodes where you travel back in time to shamelessly kiss the ass of some dead historical figure. You're just embarrassing yourself.

In fairness, these were both commonplace in the original series.

-Take it easy with the fucking sonic screwdriver already.

This kinda was too, though they destroyed it in the Davison era for good reason.

EDIT: I would add that, for the most part, I think the current-series writers have kept the Sonic Screwdriver as, primarily, a tool for opening doors and generally restrained themselves in using it as a deus ex machina.

I think its rather more substantial use in Forest of the Dead is forgivable due to the rather extensive setup that this future Sonic Screwdriver had additional capabilities.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2008, 11:43:50 PM »

I've seen a lot of commercials for the Sara Jane Smith spinoff, and I'm guessing it's just the Dr. Who producers attempting to snag the teenage girl market, isn't it?
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