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The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji

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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2009, 02:59:35 PM »

I did a bit of a double-take on this one.

"Oh, a riot in China... wait 140 people killed? Nah... wait, now it's 156?" :barf:
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2009, 07:13:06 PM »

Keep in mind that your values and Chinese values are much different. 

China has to kill to keep their nation unified.  See my article on cheerful news.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2009, 05:04:16 PM »

Now the Han are starting their own riots in protest of the Uighurs starting riots.

It's like if white males started a million man march through 1800s America.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2010, 07:27:11 PM »

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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2010, 01:22:03 PM »

When has china not been in the news?

First off, Google has learned the lessons taught by history professor and author of "To Change China" (which I have mentioned before why haven't you all read it, no a twit post doesn't count kabbage) in such a textbook manner, that I wouldn't be surprised that it would be placed in later editions of the book. 

Next of all, incompetent navigation on the part of a Chinese captain (big surprise there) is going to be the root cause of an ecological disaster of a special protected land

There's the emerging stories of Shit going Han, never mind that we're starting to get "not-ethnic", but modern peasant class here...

And finally the recolonization of Africa for their spoils. 

I haven't touched on the economic issues between China and America including the pegging of the Yuan, as that's really not my area of expertise, but right know I feel a cold snap coming on... 

So yeah, they really haven't left the news.  Not for a second.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #65 on: April 06, 2010, 01:34:28 PM »

Well, okay, you're correct and I recognise all of those stories.... but those tend to be "business as usual" stories as opposed to "shit hitting the fan" stories.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2010, 09:06:21 PM »

China is now officially the second-largest economy in the world.

(Find a link yourself - I can't seem to find one that doesn't require a registration and/or isn't panicking about the idea that they could be richer than us someday, oh fuck.)

What does this really mean?  I'd say gear up for another Cold War but most of the mainland is actually pretty temperate.

Nah, that's a joke.

I think?
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2010, 03:01:19 AM »

Eh, it was inevitable due to sheer size.

Too lazy to provide a link, because I did all my reading when this story broke a week and a half ago, but on a per-citizen basis, their income is still in the toilet.

Wake me when the per capita income rises above that of buttfucknowhereistan, they show real evidence of innovation throughout their economy, or their social and environmental problems look like they're starting to get better instead of worse for a change.

Until at least ONE of those changes substantially, the US and Europe are gonna continue to rule the roost. Granted the third has shown a few small cracks recently with the 'approved' labour unrest and a slight easing of press restrictions, but man is there a long way to go before China's relationship with the rest of the world can change as much as it did in the first half of this decade. 

Meanwhile, India continues to show an earnest desire for really meaningful long-term improvement of their nation as a whole.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2010, 08:33:00 AM »

Best of all, if India gains more prominence, the lingua franca won't change!
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2010, 05:50:24 AM »

Chinese pro-democracy dissident Professor Liu Xiaobo was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The Chinese government now faces the unenviable task of trying to keep this a secret from 1.2 billion people.

Xiaobo himself is of course unavailable for comment, but you can read his last publicly available statement.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2010, 06:08:53 AM »

Anybody else heard about the "My Father is Li Gang" thing?
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2010, 09:05:10 AM »

No, but it seems pretty typical of the general rumblings going on lately. Where those rumblings will lead (if they lead anywhere at all) is another question entirely.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2010, 09:26:23 AM »

Screw the rules, my father is Li Gang!
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2010, 12:34:56 PM »

Wake me when the per capita income rises above that of buttfucknowhereistan
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Meanwhile, India continues to show an earnest desire for really meaningful long-term improvement of their nation as a whole.
GDP Per Capital (PPP), IMF
  • 97. People's Republic of China - $6,778
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they show real evidence of innovation throughout their economy
"The 11th plan also introduced a distinction between hard targets (for energy efficiency, pollution and population) that officials were obliged to meet, and more indicative targets (for growth, employment and other things) that the economy was expected to meet of its own accord. And it replaced the single-minded pursuit of growth with “all-round” development, hoping to contain pollution and arrest widening economic inequalities."

Source: Economist

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their social and environmental problems look like they're starting to get better instead of worse for a change.
China Leads Major Countries With $34.6 Billion Invested in Clean Technology

I realize my posting here is going to stir up all manners of fecal projectiles over bias; but hey, let's try to be a little bit objective: China, as Evil as it is, is trying to fix its issues.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2010, 05:40:45 PM »

So they're spending $34 per person on clean technology.

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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2010, 06:46:38 PM »

I like how Aintaer points don't really respond to mine. They're just kind of a jumping-off point to quote nice-sounding statistics and sound bites.

Okay, the per capita income is technically relevant, but the two sentences of mine you mashed together have nothing to do with a relative comparison of GDPs between India and China. Yes, India has further to go, a long time before they even catch up to China, let alone have a chance at passing them... this does not invalidate the idea that they're not wasting half so much time in arcane bullshit so deep it'd make an Elks Lodge proud. 

Anyway, the CPC can call for whatever it wants in its grandiose budget statements, but saying you're going to fund innovation or green tech is one thing and actually having your economy become significantly greener or more innovative is another thing entirely. The disconnect between statements and results is old hat for the CPC now. 

I mean, it was a running gag last month that Wen Jiabao has been calling for political and social reform but his remarks were was censored by the party. The damn Premier can't even call for change without tripping over the bureaucracy. I know that the fact that he wasn't rebuked actually means that there's a tacit sort of approval for his comments in some quarters, but the whole thing is still theatre of the absurd.
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2010, 11:43:16 AM »

this does not invalidate the idea that they're not wasting half so much time in arcane bullshit so deep it'd make an Elks Lodge proud.
Not to be a troll but uh, source? I'm not sure what you're pointing to here. Their censorship? Human rights record? Stomping on heads-ohwait
Honestly, you point out one of China's ills is its pay parity being lower than "bumfuckistan", which may be true on average. But you then turn around and point to India as an example of what's going right? Unless you have some sort of quantitative evidence for why this is so (beyond the fact that democracies give you happy feeling in pants) I'm gonna call your argument out as bullshit.

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Anyway, the CPC can call for whatever it wants in its grandiose budget statements, but saying you're going to fund innovation or green tech is one thing and actually having your economy become significantly greener or more innovative is another thing entirely. The disconnect between statements and results is old hat for the CPC now.
We all know the CPC statements are full of shit, but the change in the tone of its shit is more the point of that "soundbite" article. You can point to any world government's statement of economic goals and claim bullshit, but this is just rhetoric. Yes, you are correct that currently, the Chinese economy is not environmentally friendly or innovative for the most part. However you are incorrect if you believe the CPC's true intention is to keep it that way and claim differently just to placate the West. In order for China to sustain growth, the paramount goal to the CPC, it needs to move beyond its current market of manufacturing and construction. As Obama has pointed out, the Green Economy is a large area of growth in modern times, and I believe China's first move of $34 billion is a step in that direction. They're certainly far behind other world economies, but they're taking bigger steps as well.

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I mean, it was a running gag last month that Wen Jiabao has been calling for political and social reform but his remarks were was censored by the party. The damn Premier can't even call for change without tripping over the bureaucracy. I know that the fact that he wasn't rebuked actually means that there's a tacit sort of approval for his comments in some quarters, but the whole thing is still theatre of the absurd.
Haha, yes the Chinese invented bureaucracy, they'd be excellent at it. The political landscape in China is pretty ridiculous. The Party would like to present itself as a solid coordinated entity, but the reality is that it is composed of people. Often when talking about China, the Party is conflated with the people of China, which is unfortunate. It is the will of the Party from which all the grandstanding and all the bullshit arises. The people have their own desires for their lives. As much as China is dominated by government policy, much more indomitable is the cultural pragmatism that's lasted much longer than any empire. As long as the people believe the government is making things better, the Party will be in power.

The Chinese people have never been idealistically unified, and hence cannot be idealistically motivated around a concept like Christianity or Democracy. Chinese religion has a pantheon of gods that fall in and out of favor by how much their worshippers believe that god is effective at giving them what they want: health, progeny, prosperity. Much is the same on the political side. It is not that the people are inherently communal, it is what worked for them at that point in history. And quantitatively, looking at the past 20 years, the Party has for the most part done the people good in terms of living conditions, poverty levels, education. Why do you think Deng Xiaoping introduced mixed economy or "Communism with Chinese flavor"? Because the Party was in danger of losing control after the failures of the planned economy; it was no longer effective to the people. The "nice-sounding" statistics exist because the Party has quantitatively improved aspects of Chinese life, in contrast to the "nice-sounding" ideology that the US has introduced to Iraq.

Is the Western ideocentric view false or somehow misleading? No. But it is not what the Chinese people understand. It will not work in China. But you know what, it works here (hopefully). Individual voice, however contrary or inflammatory, serves a purpose in this ideology. And that's why, to make this ideology work here, you should all go vote.

In related news: I have begun processing my N-400 application to Naturalize. Hopefully by April of next year I will be able to vote as well!
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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2010, 01:44:14 PM »

In spite of their well-known focus on appearances, I don't believe that the CPC says things just as some kind of smokescreen to throw off the west. Plans to drive change are genuine and well-intentioned. The problem is that a drive for change in some parts of the CPC does not mean change will come.

Change is more than just statements and plans, there's a cultural and social aspect to it. A desire, a drive. You can call it racism* if you want, but to date the US has displayed far more drive and desire for innovation than almost any other country (never mind just China). In spite of everything else, unless China starts to actually mobilize the staggeringly massive human capital it has, they will remain at roughly their current levels of achievement.

Deng Xiaoping was almost frighteningly intelligent, and he deserves full credit for his insights. But he was also positioned ideally, at a time when change could be pushed through. A lot of folks have correctly determined that now is the time for another such change, but there is more resistance this time and the future is cloudy. Change may be stifled or put off, and if it is there is the possibility that the people will start to decide that the CPC is no longer working out. What will happen at that point (if it comes to that), I don't know. It is clear though that the CPC is afraid of that possibility and has been for some time.

I'm not the sitting here fantasizing that China will have it's own 1776. Nor am I afraid of China, in spite of the fear campaigns that some westerners do try to use. I merely try to observe. What I see right now is that "Communism with Chinese Flavour" is coming close to the end of its usefulness and that no one is really sure what's going to happen next. We could see more gradual change, or we could see a pullback.

What worries me is that China's real historical record is one of coming close to joining the international community, but pulling back in the crucial final decision. Will they finally break through this time, or will there be another retreat? Again, I don't know, but perhaps you might find it in me to forgive my cynicism if I say I am hopeful but not confident.

I think one of the key things to overcome is the irrational fear to practices and ideas - like freedom of information, pluralism, or respect for individuals** - that are seen as "western" but which are in fact global, and have been used by successful nations for thousands of years. They're not just "American" things. More importantly, they're things to be embraced, not feared.

One of the biggest reasons I point to India as a nation where things are going right is that, for all their problems of corruption, disorganization, and vast poverty, the Indians do not suffer from a lack of imagination or a fear of western ideas. Ultimately they have enough self-confidence that they realize that copying things other countries do well does not mean they will lose their own identity as a result. Look at Japan. Japan's corporate and economic structure is more or less western, but no sensible person would accuse them of having lost their "Japaneseness" - and Japan was actually occupied by the US! The Indians also have a real determination that heartens me. Where the CPC feels it is owed respect by the world and the individual Chinese citizen is of a like mind or indifferent, the Indians know they have a long way to go and are determined to earn that respect.

*Amusingly, the most racist people I know are western-born Chinese who despise everything Chinese and regularly go on racial tirades that would probably earn them jail time for hate speech if the speakers were white.

**This does not necessarily mean American-style civil liberties, but that individuals can at least live without fear of repression.

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Re: China is fucking scary
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2011, 05:53:04 AM »

This is really just comedic and note really scary at all: China bans all movies and TV shows that feature time travel

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