Topic: Don't you know there's a war on? (Read 68861 times)

Thad · « **Reply #580 on:** September 12, 2012, 09:34:19 AM »

Over a Youtube video.

I remember saying something, during the Everybody Draw Muhammad Day kerfuffle, about Internet Tough Guys who are totally okay with sitting comfortably in California poking a hornet's nest on the other side of the world.

Sam Bacile is an asshole. Yeah, tough guy, real easy to talk shit and hurl insults when it's not YOUR life on the line. (And it's not; I hear he's in hiding now but it's not like he's living in a goddamn DMZ.)

On the other hand -- and this shouldn't even have to be said, but here it is -- Bacile has the right to say whatever the fuck he wants and mock whoever he wants and be as much of an asshole as he wants as long as he's not actually physically harming anybody. And fuck anybody who's willing to murder another human being because he made fun of you. Fuck anybody who's willing to murder another human being because SOMEBODY ELSE HALFWAY ACROSS THE FUCKING PLANET made fun of you even more.

Brentai · « **Reply #581 on:** September 12, 2012, 09:48:36 AM »

I can't condemn Bacile because there have been much worse attacks on Islam by Americans in the past. Fuck, Frank Miller ain't in hiding (well, he probably is, but nobody's directly threatening him).

He just happened to be the wrong guy saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. And everything he said just happens to have been given weight.

Zaratustra · « **Reply #582 on:** September 12, 2012, 10:43:36 AM »

Also, it's possible Sam Bacile does not actually exist.

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2012/09/12/3106801/who-is-sam-bacile-neither-israeli-nor-jewish-says-a-self-described-acquiantance

Thad · « **Reply #583 on:** September 12, 2012, 11:10:56 AM »

FTR I think Frank Miller is an asshole too.

Brentai · « **Reply #584 on:** September 12, 2012, 11:40:29 AM »

Well, of course, but would you accuse him of endangering our people overseas under normal circumstances?

Thad · « **Reply #585 on:** September 12, 2012, 12:08:21 PM »

"Endangering" is a strong word.

Not considering the potential repercussions of his work for people other than himself? Yeah, I would ABSOLUTELY accuse him of that.

Sharkey · « **Reply #586 on:** September 12, 2012, 01:25:32 PM »

I'm sure everyone's caught Romney's insane asshole response, but a picture says a thousand blah blah

The guy is putting political cartoonists out of work.

Mongrel · « **Reply #587 on:** September 12, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »

I almost want to say that that's the picture that loses him the election right there.

Thad · « **Reply #588 on:** September 12, 2012, 01:56:53 PM »

Popehat has rather a good post on the subject.

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It's possible to say that there is no excuse whatsoever for this violence in response to speech you don't like, and that the angry mob should be condemned without qualification, and still believe — and say — that "filmmaker" Sam Bacile is a vile bigoted douchebag peddling contemptible hate-smut.

It's possible to say that the bigoted Bacile has an absolute right in the United States to make and distribute anti-Muslim propaganda (with very narrowly limited exceptions — for instance, showing it to an angry crowd gathered outside a mosque might be intended to cause, and likely to cause, a clear and present danger of imminent lawless action), and say say that his exercise of that right makes him vermin. He seems like a verminy kind of guy. Here's what he had to say about the murders in Benghazi:

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Though Bacile said he felt sorry about the death of the American who was killed in the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.

"I feel the security system [at the embassies] is no good," said Bacile. "America should do something to change it."

(The argument that Bacile is not legally responsible for mob violence is correct, the argument that he is not morally responsible for mob violence is persuasive to me, but the argument that the fault lies with bad security is the sign of a disordered mind.)

Shinra · « **Reply #589 on:** September 12, 2012, 02:00:36 PM »

JESUS CHRIST DONALD TRUMP SHUT THE FUCK UP

Doom · « **Reply #590 on:** September 12, 2012, 02:07:20 PM »

Nothing like the safety of a tyranny, said the rich man born into his life of privilege.

Mongrel · « **Reply #591 on:** September 12, 2012, 02:17:06 PM »

That's not really earthshattering anyway. That kind kind of thinking informed American foreign policy for over a century (and still does now and again).

But you're not supposed to say that out loud, (The) Donald. That's just crass!

Mongrel · « **Reply #592 on:** September 12, 2012, 02:19:37 PM »

Man, I just had a little mind blowing moment: The horrible right wing now hates the Middle East for their freedom.

Zaratustra · « **Reply #593 on:** September 12, 2012, 02:36:22 PM »

These are the horrible people Romney will absolutely not have America making amends with:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer

Sharkey · « **Reply #594 on:** September 12, 2012, 04:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Zaratustra on September 12, 2012, 02:36:22 PM

These are the horrible people Romney will absolutely not have America making amends with:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer

You gullible libtard, those photos are obviously staged in a cynical attempt to convince us that every single citizen of that country doesn't want to kill us.

... shit. I was being sarcastic, then I scrolled down to see that this is half the facebook comments, almost word-for-word.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #595 on:** September 12, 2012, 04:24:51 PM »

What a fucking tragedy.

Royal☭ · « **Reply #596 on:** September 12, 2012, 06:53:57 PM »

Quote from: Sharkey on September 12, 2012, 04:00:37 PM

Quote from: Zaratustra on September 12, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
These are the horrible people Romney will absolutely not have America making amends with:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer

You gullible libtard, those photos are obviously staged in a cynical attempt to convince us that every single citizen of that country doesn't want to kill us.

... shit. I was being sarcastic, then I scrolled down to see that this is half the facebook comments, almost word-for-word.

You're not tricking me into reading Facebook comments that easily.

Brentai · « **Reply #597 on:** September 12, 2012, 08:43:56 PM »

Man, I just pulled my eyes off of Romney's MUAHAHAHA to look at some of the expressions of the audience in that picture.

Worth a chuckle, if a rather dark one.

Friday · « **Reply #598 on:** September 12, 2012, 08:49:56 PM »

Yeah, I noticed that. They look like they are just realizing what a fucked up world they live in, to me.

"Did that guy just say that? Really say that? I'm not sure he said that. I'm gonna have to check the internet later to make sure that he said that, because I can't believe he just said that."

Thad · « **Reply #599 on:** September 12, 2012, 08:55:05 PM »

Quote from: Zaratustra on September 12, 2012, 02:36:22 PM

These are the horrible people Romney will absolutely not have America making amends with:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer

Stuff like that warms the cockles of my icy, icy heart.

I like to think most people are basically decent and think murdering people is pretty not-cool. Nice to see people speaking out to mourn a man they didn't even know and show some solidarity and common cause.

I wish we'd quit fucking wasting opportunities like this one.

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