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Discussion Boards => High-Context Discourse => Topic started by: Niku on January 25, 2008, 10:41:52 PM
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Is there some specific reason seemingly random people seem to be banned from joining the forum? Kayumi and TedBelmont specifically. Or am I just unaware of some dark and sinister crime these two have committed?
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Good thing I'm so painfully unremarkable.
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zomg mutant tongue :orly: :up:
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Oh, and yes.
Um...which is... ... ...?
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A dark war occurred in the shadows, which made it even darker and nobody could really tell what was going on. When the dust cleared, people were chosen at random to take the fall. This is their story.
:MENDOZAAAAA:
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Um...which is... ... ...?
As an experiment of mine to log how many times those who professed to hate Sharkey's guts would try to visit his forums. Just about all six of them have tried three different times throughout the days.
Lovely.
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Seems like that would have actually been EASIER to see if they had signed up for accounts.
...Anyway. I like Ted. Don't see why he should be locked out.
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I required a log, and it was easier if searched by IP and host.
Going just by probable screen names is like catching puss with a pasta drainer.
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Oh hey look Arc is performing experiments on an internet forum.
:serious:
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Once the Banhatten Project is complete, the Atomu Age will be upon us!
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I required a log, and it was easier if searched by IP and host.
Could still be done without banning, right?
Anyway. Shark was pretty clear on the "we're not going to ban people from posting both places" thing when he started this up. I don't like this; it's quite a bit worse than the word filter. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's exactly the kind of thing I was hoping to get AWAY from by switching to a new board.
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No one has been banned for posting in both forums.
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Oh, for the love of...
And people say *I* parse things too minutely.
Seriously, I don't see how this is any better than my password at Pyoko getting changed. I mean, am I missing something? Because it sure looks like you just banned a half-dozen people for not liking Sharkey. Any point you're trying to make sorta gets subsumed by that.
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I don't have any enemies!
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Seriously, I don't see how this is any better than my password at Pyoko getting changed. I mean, am I missing something? Because it sure looks like you just banned a half-dozen people for not liking Sharkey. Any point you're trying to make sorta gets subsumed by that.
As true as this may be, with a choice between Suave Evil and Obnoxious Evil, I've got to pick Suave Evil every time.
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I don't like the President, I guess I am BANNED FROM AMERICA
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It's Sharkey's right to ban whoever he wants to. Fuck, if I started my own forum, none of you would be allowed in.
The trouble with this is that Pyoko will be dead in a month and this is a community that has grown over the past four years to include many, many people, and as much as we may desperately hate one another, I don't like that we're being forcefully seperated.
However, until we find a completely neutral person who's willing to host everybody's shit, it is pretty much unavoidable.
So, let's get into the swing of things.
Dear Sharkey,
Joxam called you a twat.
Love, Kazz
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To be clear again, these were my bans (for science and industry!).
Could still be done without banning, right?
That wouldn't pick up the visits, and again, I'm not one with enough time to search through every last members information.
And people say *I* parse things too minutely.
It isn't minute, it's distinctive. No one has been banned (here) for posting in both forums. No one has had their account with thousands of posts and private messages blocked. No admin team has been altered.
Because it sure looks like you just banned a half-dozen people for not liking Sharkey.
How they went about it, and the issue itself, was the best part. Made for some classy reading.
I don't like the President, I guess I am BANNED FROM AMERICA
Don't fret. You'll spend plenty of time faux complaining about your expulsion and how you can view the country anyways.
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God, I wish you'd give a straight answer about anything.
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These are Sharkey's forums? Who are those two other people I see on the title image?
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Ludwig von Koopa and Paul Teutul, Sr.
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Does having a Koopa mean you get your own personal log-airship, complete with cannons that point directly at the deck?
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unban brentai
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That could make this thread even juicier without the context.
Damn you, context. Damn you.
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That was fun. :smile:
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To be clear again, these were my bans (for science and industry!).
And I'm about as impressed by using the "social experiment" euphemism for BOfH stuff as I am by using it for trolling.
Could still be done without banning, right?
That wouldn't pick up the visits, and again, I'm not one with enough time to search through every last members information.
They're in a log SOMEwhere, damn it. Apache keeps logs too.
No one has been banned (here) for posting in both forums. No one has had their account with thousands of posts and private messages blocked. No admin team has been altered.
You're setting the bar awfully low.
How they went about it, and the issue itself, was the best part. Made for some classy reading.
And so we come to it: you're fucking with people's accounts for your own amusement, and deliberately cranking up drama with the old board.
God, I wish you'd give a straight answer about anything.
You know, Kazz and I actually agree a vast majority of the time.
Ludwig von Koopa and Paul Teutul, Sr.
Which one am I?
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Well, the experiment worked. How about we...ya know...just unban everyone and call it a day and then go with the more honored system of letting people get banned for being stupid fucks beyond redemption. :smile:
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I like Kayumi and I don't know TedBelmont too well but I guess he is okay too.
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I don't know, I thought the idea of this place was so that we could have diverse opinions without being banned for it? Shit, I thought that was what caused the whole damn thing in the first place...
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:rage: God damn faggots!
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:wuv: We love you!
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banana phone
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more like BANana phone, amirite?
wait
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:hurr: THANKS FRED THAT WAS THE JOKE :hurr:
:wuv: :wuv::wuv:
:wuv: :wuv:
:wuv: :wuv::wuv:
:wuv: :wuv:
:wuv: :wuv::wuv:
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What a great start to the community, fellas!
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:smile:
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:endit:
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::D:
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And there was much rejoicing.
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Classic does not approve of petty displays of dickery, pretty much no matter who does it.
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I support dickery, I just don't support pre-empetive dickery.
Give the man a knife before the sniper pops him from three football fields away.
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Classic does not approve of petty displays of dickery, pretty much no matter who does it.
I take it you don't much enjoy either of the boards then.
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And so we come to it: you're fucking with people's accounts for your own amusement, and deliberately cranking up drama with the old board.
They don't even have accounts to fuck with. Saves me time.
What a great start to the community, fellas!
Judging from the flood of members we've had in the past day, I'd say this community started years ago.
Give the man a knife before the sniper pops him from three football fields away.
The knives already came out.
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Anyone that supports Arc's preemptive banning now step forth. Anyone? Anyone at all?
...hello?
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Adorable.
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The knives already came out.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Brentai/Trigun_knives0042.jpg)
Fabulous.
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I instinctively wanted to give
Brentai karma for that, but we don't have that. Any plans for that one, or are we going to skip that?
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I figure the best way to reward quality messages is with worthwhile messages in return.
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Maybe you should've had the ban image/video/whatever actually tell the people why they were banned. Less drama, same amount of easy tracking.
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Arc, you sound like fucking Kazz or some shit. Stop being a fucking dickwad.
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an admin who won't let us know what he's doing and why?
sounds familiar.
fuck, i posted a huge warning when I wanted to change people's names back from Miscellaneous Man and I still got shit for it. so Arc must just think he's above accountability.
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an admin who won't let us know what he's doing and why?
sounds familiar.
fuck, i posted a huge warning when I wanted to change people's names back from Miscellaneous Man and I still got shit for it. so Arc must just think he's above accountability.
Let me also say that while I get annoyed by your defensivness over fuckups, you have always been clear and open about it.
Unlike the individual in question here.
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fuck, i posted a huge warning when I wanted to change people's names back from Miscellaneous Man and I still got shit for it.
People gave you junk for that?
Pathetic.
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I thought there was a reason tagline on the ban page. I just assumed that in my case, the reason was "eloH".
It was a pretty convincing argument, you gotta admit.
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:wuv: :wuv: :wuv: :wuv: :wuv:
Totally solving all our problems through the power of love, here.
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Dear Arc;
Stop beating around the bush and cut this shit out.
:wuv:, Burrito
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Also.
Evidently, Kayumi messaged LD a few hours ago to get her to ask me why he was banned from this forum.
So, he seems to be completely unaware of whatever offense he committed that Arc keeps hinting at.
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All I can say is that Arc as most certainly not "keeping it real".
Or perhaps he kept it... too real.
:hurr:
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Classic does not approve of petty displays of dickery, pretty much no matter who does it.
I take it you don't much enjoy either of the boards then.
Basically! :rage:
Buuut... :whut: Mostly, the dickery is minor enough that I don't call it dickery. Really, none of you do anything that actually offends me. Mostly, I'm anti-banning except in extreme cases.
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I want to know what they were banned for so I can avoid doing it.
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As an experiment of mine to log how many times those who professed to hate Sharkey's guts would try to visit his forums.
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I didn't 'give Kazz shit' for it so much as express my desire for him to be more polite concerning it.
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Maybe I -should- make Pixel Pals after all.
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Judging from the flood of members we've had in the past day, I'd say this community started years ago.
It DID.
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Years before most of the people on either forum ever showed up, in fact.
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including, and here's the kicker, Arc.
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As an experiment of mine to log how many times those who professed to hate Sharkey's guts would try to visit his forums.
That can't be right. Kayumi doesn't profess to hate Sharkey's guts. So there's got to be something else, and I want to make sure I don't do that.
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[5:31] <@Vance> Okay, going back to my previous comment
[5:32] <@Vance> "but I suppose it DOES bear asking you guys are so damn interested in going there if you hate us all so much." He's definitely lost it.
[5:33] <+Kayumi> What?
[5:33] <+Kayumi> Oh is he posting about it?
[5:33] <+Kayumi> The damn point I've been trying to make is that I don't and never once said that I did hate them
[5:33] <+Kayumi> and I don't know where the hell he got that impression.
[5:34] <@Vance> Yes, well, that's our former and apparently present Thad. Makes assumptions, denies making assumptions, accuses others of making assumptions.
[5:34] <lapKazz> arc implies that you said you hate Sharkey
[5:34] <+Kayumi> Yeah, I don't know where the hell he got that.
[5:34] <@Vance> I never said I hate Sharkey. Frankly I have a gripe with him, but that doesn't mean I hate him
[5:35] <lapKazz> vance, you picked out the single instance where Thad did anything but fight for Kayumi et al to be unbanned?
[5:35] <@Vance> Wasn't aware I was supposed to. I don't know what Thad's doing, frankly.
[5:35] <+Kayumi> I remember saying, in response to people complaining in gloom and doom tones that the whole thing signified the end of the community as a whole, that Sharkey had never been the core of this channel in recent memory...
[5:36] <lapKazz> vance i don't even know what you're talking about
[5:36] <+Kayumi> I remember saying that the loss of his website that it was not exactly as if he has been making regular updates to it in the past several years
[5:36] <@Vance> Nor I you.
[5:36] <lapKazz> well i was talking to kayumi
[5:36] <@Vance> You call Kayumi by my name?
[5:36] <+Kayumi> I remember saying that both Sharkey and Arcturus could have handled that argument better
[5:36] <lapKazz> except for the one sentence where i said "vance," i was talking to kayumi
[5:36] <+Kayumi> but I don't remember saying anywhere that I hate Sharkey
[5:36] <@Vance> Silly me.
[5:37] <lapKazz> kayumi, arc's being 100% dickhead right now and nobody knows why
[5:37] <lapKazz> because he won't explain himself
[5:37] <+Kayumi> I'm about ready to declare loathing for Arc over the whole thing, but that's just anger at an idiot throwing a tantrum at me for unexplained reasons
[5:37] <BongoBill> A voodoo ritual went wrong and maou is possessing him.
[5:38] <+Kayumi> an ineffective one to boot, I'll be home in Canada in just over a month and his fucking ip ban won't work anymore.
[5:38] <@Vance> It's rather astonishing. I thought Arc was one of the more levelheaded people around
[5:38] <BongoBill> We need to throw somebody in the volcano.
[5:38] <lapKazz> like, i really want to like Arc, because he put a lot of work and all that into the boards, but i just wish he'd be accountable for what the hell he's doing
[5:38] <lapKazz> there's a theory that it's all a big prank, but it isn't funny to anyone
[5:38] <+Kayumi> And at that point if he wants to keep me out he's more than welcome to ban canada and see how long it goes on
[5:39] <lapKazz> i'll paste this conversation onto WFE
[5:39] <+Kayumi> Well leave out the bit about banning Canada.
[5:39] <+Kayumi> He'll take it as a good suggestion.
[5:39] <lapKazz> hopefully it'll force Arc to post his evidence against you
[5:40] <lapKazz> whatever it may be
[5:40] <lapKazz> or just admit that he has none
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I think Arc's asleep right now. Maybe we should wait for him to start posting again before we continue throwing expired produce.
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I suggest it's time to start another forum, because the only mod who's paying a slight bit of attention here has gone mad with power.
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Arc, I think I see what you are after -- giving several of those who did not complain about terra/maou's behavior an object lesson on why it is reprehensible. However, you behaving in that manner is not going to help convince anybody how terrible terra/maou is, it will only convince them how terrible you are. I mean seriously, the only reason anybody is here in the first place is because they find that sort of thing revolting, surely you have to realize that nobody is going to be pleased with this, especially since they're having to guess at your motives.
Or are you intentionally trying to ruin this thing before it gets off the ground? Because that's the only other goal I could see this being a means to.
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(http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/Fortinbras/greatest_show_on_earth.jpg)
Or so it was for a while, but it's been going on so long and at such over the top intensity that now even I'm a bit pissed. Eventually drama (which is basically my fourth food group, replacing vegetables) gets dull and annoying and all I want is for me and my Internet acquaintances to be able to talk about whatever bullshit without some loon trying to make a ridiculous point (or just have a laugh?) at their expense.
What was initially understood to be a project designed to get away from drama and overbearing autocrats has become so dramatic due to the new overbearing autocrat that even people who feed on this nonsense just want it to end.
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I mean seriously, the only reason anybody is here in the first place is because they find that sort of thing revolting,
I'm just here because that's where most of the key players at Pyoko have gone; I don't hate any of the people involved, even though some of them have been/are being juvenile.
In fact, I guess you could say I'm here because I love this community, and virtually everybody in it. Sharkey's presence is a wonderful, amazing bonus, but even if he publicly confessed ambitions of personally coming to my apartment and kicking me in the junk for being a furry, I'd probably still show up every day to read people's stuff.
I'd probably just justify it by pretending he was joking, even as I lie in howling pain/possibly bleeding on my living room floor. D:
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and punchy arrives to mention himself
thank you punchy
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I was being sincere. :(
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What also gets me is this shit about well "Why do you wanna come here if you hate Sharkey so much?"
Because the community is not about Sharkey. The Community is not about Arc. Within a month or two Sharkey will be posting once a week/month/year and Arc will just continue being strange and nebulous and neither will matter anymore. I don't got any beef with Sharkey, but I'd come here even if I did for that very reason.
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Whoa, whoa. Sharkey only posts in short bursts, but Arc has had a pretty steady run of posting. Excluding, of course, the DoA storyline. I am a bit annoyed by this story Arc tho'. Hmmm...
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Whoa, whoa. Sharkey only posts in short bursts, but Arc has had a pretty steady run of posting. Excluding, of course, the DoA storyline. I am a bit annoyed by this story Arc tho'. Hmmm...
Yes, but he rarely matters. He's rarely down to earth with anyone. He does do PDS though, I have to at least credit that.
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All I know is that this is pissing all over my plans for going back and revising that old self ("self" in the "collective bunch of people" sense)-gratifying project I was kicking around. I'll be damned if I restart it only to have to constantly revise or outright wipe what I've done due to utterly arbitrary mod actions.
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[5:32] <@Vance> "but I suppose it DOES bear asking you guys are so damn interested in going there if you hate us all so much." He's definitely lost it.
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[5:35] <lapKazz> vance, you picked out the single instance where Thad did anything but fight for Kayumi et al to be unbanned?
Not only that, but he cut out the first part of the sentence, "I frankly think the whole thing's asinine".
...This really IS an object lesson in defending someone you think is an idiot. Which I believe is how we got here in the first damn place.
What also gets me is this shit about well "Why do you wanna come here if you hate Sharkey so much?"
Because the community is not about Sharkey. The Community is not about Arc. Within a month or two Sharkey will be posting once a week/month/year and Arc will just continue being strange and nebulous and neither will matter anymore. I don't got any beef with Sharkey, but I'd come here even if I did for that very reason.
That's a perfectly reasonable answer.
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Great, lets hope Arc thinks so.
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I really wish I could care about this as much as all of you. It looks like so much fun.
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I really wish I could care about this as much as all of you. It looks like so much fun.
Hey eloH wanna go cruise for chicks or something instead? I finally finished fixing up that old El Camino I bought last year.
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Oh hi. I didn't see this one. Kind of wish I hadn't.
I see where everyone is, here. Arc made a lovely point re: applying fuckheadery to everyone who previously stood up for said fuckheadery. Other interesting points are made re: it still being fuckheadery. I propose the lifting of all bans and getting back to complaining about cartoons/videogames/porn and not the people who are helping us complain.
Also, I don't give a twisting fuck who hates me. I pretty much assume everyone does until they're sleeping with me, and I'm still pretty hazy about it at that point.
Anyway, point: knock off all that drama.
Edit: Remembered that I can remove bans myself and did so.
Exceptions:
eloH, who will go around it anyway.
Terra, who can use the forums when she unbans me from pyoko, dies, and is reborn as a fucking anteater with bacterial vaginosis.
Arcturus, who independently proved himself a brainless twat long before all this shit.
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Exceptions:
eloH, who will go around it anyway.
Is this Brentai-Eloh, or was the real one lurking around?
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Exceptions:
eloH, who will go around it anyway.
Is this Brentai-Eloh, or was the real one lurking around?
Due to confusion on this point I've removed that one, too.
Probably is Brentai. I'm abundantly aware that he hates my guts, but he makes great conversation.
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Thank you for lifting that ban.
That's one less thing for me to be confused about for a month.
I was seriously kidding about banning canada, too. Just in case.
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I nominate that Thad and Kazz be made full admins so this kind of crap doesn't happen when Sharkey's absent.
I mean, their pictures are in the logo, ferchrissake.
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Wow, I don't think I've ever been the cause of this much drama before. I'm almost afraid to post here now!
Almost.
Still can't remember ever saying I hated Sharkey's guts(or anyone's guts, for that matter). Anyway, doesn't matter. There's been an excess of drama around here lately, and I don't want to add to the pile. I hope we can put all this behind us now, and work together for the glorious future of the...err...whatever we're going to call this community now. Obviously, we can't call it Pyoko. The Worst Community Ever has a nice ring to it, but maybe for the sake of brevity we should just call it The Community.
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Oh hi. I didn't see this one. Kind of wish I hadn't.
I see where everyone is, here. Arc made a lovely point re: applying fuckheadery to everyone who previously stood up for said fuckheadery. Other interesting points are made re: it still being fuckheadery. I propose the lifting of all bans and getting back to complaining about cartoons/videogames/porn and not the people who are helping us complain.
Also, I don't give a twisting fuck who hates me. I pretty much assume everyone does until they're sleeping with me, and I'm still pretty hazy about it at that point.
Anyway, point: knock off all that drama.
Edit: Remembered that I can remove bans myself and did so.
Exceptions:
eloH, who will go around it anyway.
Terra, who can use the forums when she unbans me from pyoko, dies, and is reborn as a fucking anteater with bacterial vaginosis.
Arcturus, who independently proved himself a brainless twat long before all this shit.
Thank you for a swift, non-dipshit infused resolution.
Now we can back to those things you said!
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I nominate that Thad and Kazz be made full admins so this kind of crap doesn't happen when Sharkey's absent.
I mean, their pictures are in the logo, ferchrissake.
That would be a power struggle just waiting to happen.
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maybe for the sake of brevity we should just call it The Community.
Then we'd need to change the icon from stylized Sharkey & co, heroes of the revolution, to a penny farthing.
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(http://doom.pyoko.org/NyoroHop.gif)
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I'm not only game for a new logo, I'm up for changing it fairly often. Go ahead and make one. You'll be famous.
And by famous I don't actually mean famous. Probably unappreciated and maybe ridiculed. Unless you have great tits. And put them in the logo.
That won't make you famous either, but would be appreciated.
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I nominate that Thad and Kazz be made full admins so this kind of crap doesn't happen when Sharkey's absent.
I mean, their pictures are in the logo, ferchrissake.
That would be a power struggle just waiting to happen.
despite the fact that we're both admins on Pyoko and have even had a fight since in which neither of us abused our powers although i did kind of vag out but its okay now. i'm fine.
i have to return some videotapes.
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You have a point. Honestly, I thought you guys didn't have ban powers.
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I'll try to think of reasons why not. If I fail, I'll do it.
Note: I do not think I will try very hard.
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Return some video tapes
D: D: D:
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I nominate that Thad and Kazz be made full admins so this kind of crap doesn't happen when Sharkey's absent.
Back atcha.
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Then we'd need to change the icon from stylized Sharkey & co, heroes of the revolution, to a penny farthing.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/buge/indep.jpg)...
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I mean seriously, the only reason anybody is here in the first place is because they find that sort of thing revolting,
I'm just here because that's where most of the key players at Pyoko have gone; I don't hate any of the people involved, even though some of them have been/are being juvenile.
You miss the point. Here wouldn't be here if not for people from pyoko finding power-mad mods revolting.
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I just kind of thought we had this forum set up in case the other one exploded without warning except to a bunch of people who didn't visit that forum. Power abuse is sort of a cornerstone of this so-called community and you just gotta have to live with it. I mean look at how many times I banned Brentai.
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Power abuse is sort of a cornerstone of this so-called community and you just gotta have to live with it. I mean look at how many times I banned Brentai.
I'm not sure that can be called abuse. He was a pain in the ass who never contributed anything of worth.
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I just kind of thought we had this forum set up in case the other one exploded without warning except to a bunch of people who didn't visit that forum. Power abuse is sort of a cornerstone of this so-called community and you just gotta have to live with it. I mean look at how many times I banned Brentai.
"Abuse" is a term open to interpretation. I've always felt that, say, changing Killbot's avatar to naked Cheetara or moving Vance's increasingly retarded image-only posts to The Thread Where You Can Only Communicate via Links or Image Macros do not qualify as abuse, but banning someone for calling your boyfriend "dangerously stupid" does.
There's gray area -- I never banned a user or deleted a post except for eloH, but other admins didn't think stuff like that was as big a deal as I did. And I don't have a problem with it if fair warning is given. Locking threads in and of itself isn't abusive, but doing it out of the blue with no provocation and threatening to ban any admin who unlocks them is, if not abusive, then at least really dickish. Especially if it's on a subforum you set up for the explicit purpose of you not doing that shit.
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maybe for the sake of brevity we should just call it The Community.
Then we'd need to change the icon from stylized Sharkey & co, heroes of the revolution, to a penny farthing.
That was 'The Village'.
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This (http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html) is a fascinating and relevant article which I should have brought up a lot sooner. The guy there basically says that there are all these online communities that have been perpetuating the same patterns over and over again, and people should start paying attention to the patterns and stop being surprised when predictable outcomes appear.
There are three things to accept, and four things to design for.
First: it isn't possible to separate the social issues from the technical ones. You can't just hand somebody the keys to your forum software without also involving them in the social moderation process. You can certainly try to keep those two things distinct; you can also try to fly by jumping off a cliff.
Second: not every user is also a member. Somewhere in your community, there's a core group that cares more than average about the health and sustainability of your community.
Third: the core group's desires are sometimes more important than the desires of the majority. It's the basic idea of rule by the majority, limited by the rights of the minority. The core group has to be able to defend itself against the whims of the mob.
These first three basic concepts are inevitable. Even if you don't plan for them to happen, if your community is going to last, you'll find they happen to you anyway.
Four things to design for, then.
First: our accounts need to accrue weight. If I do something ridiculous and get a bad reputation for it, I shouldn't be able to just create a new account and instantly have all the privileges and powers my old account had.
Second: there needs to be a way of having "members in good standing". This is an inevitable product of interaction over time; a karma system would just make it all the more obvious. Karma probably isn't necessary, but I think it would be beneficial. (Besides, it's handy to have that record so that you can see why a person has the reputation he has, for good OR for bad.)
Third: there should be barriers to participation. It should take work and commitment to gain the privileges afforded a member in good standing.
Fourth: you've got to find a way to deal with scale. The more people you get into a single thread, the less depth any person's able to contribute.
In conclusion: salted sunflower seeds are salty.
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We had all those things on the old forums. Didn't really seem to prevent everything falling apart. Course, the "single insane moodswingy person having total control over everything" problem sort of tends to overshadow the rest.
The structure you're talking about sounds a hell of a lot like a standard social hierarchy to me. Those things need not be technical. People develop reputations over time; you don't need to institute karma or limit newbie posting privileges for that to happen.
A core of users who hold sway over the community isn't inherently a good thing either. That's pretty much been Pyoko's entire userbase for about the last three years. And while I like damn near the entire core group over there, it was stagnant. New people are a GOOD thing.
...In principle, anyway.
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(http://sharkey.gamespite.net/love.jpg)
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New people are a GOOD thing.
I'll invite all my friends!
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New people are a GOOD thing.
I'll invite all my friends!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmVtPvMvA8
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Drama aside, I am here for a few things:
People who like games.
People who like awesome games.
People who sometimes enjoy pen and paper games.
People who genuinely enjoy bad games.
(Do you see a trend here?)
People who on occasion create unique little gems of some kind, but I don't expect them to keep doing so on a regular basis.
And once in a great while, a community event that is pretty cool. (Example: The santa thing, until the non-senders began to build up.)
Other than that, people with squabbles just need to solve their problems in a gentlemanly* manner and get back to the basics (games, common interests, etc). I could really care less about faction X vs. Y, and perfer not to see it that way. The other ministries seem to be doing a good job of this so far.
Carry on.
*Chainsaw guns at 20 paces, your choice of any three american gladiator events, or the GUTS Agrocrag.
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I did not remember how much pie throwing was involved in that video.
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(http://sharkey.gamespite.net/love.jpg)
That'd be a good avatar.
My name's already Thaddeus.
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...I've been meaning to talk you into a Dr. Sivana avatar for a while though, actually.
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NOT ME!
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Snowball did it.
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Hey wait I just realized something reading this thread.
I haven't slept with Sharkey, and yet I don't hate him.
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Oh, I figured it was Arcturus responding to Kazz's dickwaving in True HURRRRRR Fasion.
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That seemed unusual even for Arct's antics.
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My guess is, the Bullshit thread finally toppled over and crushed everything. We all knew it was bound to happen.
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God... does this shit have to be in every single thread?
...
[/rhetorical question]
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I dunno, "WAAAAA FUCK YOU I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME I HATE YOU ALL MY BOYFRIEND'S GONNA BEAT YOU UP" seems pretty much Arct's default state.
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Arcturus spent 6 hours restoring them, so I highly doubt it was him.
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but he did take the liberty of blaming my girlfriend for it, then de-adminning me and Niku.
before the shitfit, i told him he was a twat, and he threatened to take the boards down, and i told him that if he did that we'd all have to come to the board where he's banned.
BUT THAT'S ENOUGH ABOUT THE GENDER CONFUSION MAFIA, WHATS UP ON WFE DOG
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WE'S HANGIN' IN THE HIZZOUSE :hurr:
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Oh, I figured it was Arcturus hating on vegans.
I think I'm developing a persecution complex. Somebody get the Jaws of Life.
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I sure do delete forums for fun.
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Look on the bright side: At least this way you'll get more street cred with Mike Nelson, Samus Aran and Unicron.
In theory.
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Occam's Razor says he just botched an upgrade.
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I'd be able to tell if he hadn't de-adminned me. Not that I want admin back; it wasn't worth all the bullshit.
It would be funny if he fucked it all up, then accused my girlfriend of deleting the forum. By funny I mean tragic.
Anyway, I'm hanging up my megalomania. I'll replace it with... oh, let's see... Erotomania!
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(http://von.pyoko.org/raichu_av.jpg): :MENDOZAAAAA:
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More on the "botched update" theory: I actually poked my head in there late last night and it was fugly. Looked like pretty much of Arc's little cosmetic tweaks had been rolled back. There was an extra column of generic thread icons, most of Arc's thread icons were gone (I think only the ones from the pulldown menu were there), and they had that annoying few-pixel padding around them. Avatars had scrollbars around them.
It looked like something had been seriously altered on the backend, something I don't think could be done through the Web interface. I assumed at the time that Arcturus was probably doing a software update.
I'd do some sleuthing, but I'm not an admin over there anymore either. Everyone's been kicked off the team except Terra's close personal friends.
Doom, anything you can do to shed some light?
(And Arc...it wasn't you, right?)
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If Terra and company are having a big hissyfit and shutting everything down, will that extend to Outer Heaven?
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We should rebuild Outer Heaven here...as SEVENTH Heaven.
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I don't think Parish would want the added strain on his server.
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I don't think anyone's shutting anything down at the moment. They HAVE rearranged the admins and mods. Zara's still one of the latter, so I wouldn't worry about OH getting shut down at this point. But my general approach is that Terra could take down anything at any time with no provocation or explanation, so it's probably best to move anything important off Pyoko anyway.
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I think terra just wants to not be in charge of the boards or anything else any longer because being in a position of absolute power is stressful and probably even directly harmful to his mental state.
I think this because i asked him.
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We should rebuild Outer Heaven here...as Zanzibar Land.
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Occam's Razor says he just botched an upgrade.
Hanlon's Razor, innit? I mean, that's kind of a special case of Occam's Razor anyway, but.
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I think terra just wants to not be in charge of the boards or anything else any longer because being in a position of absolute power is stressful and probably even directly harmful to his mental state.
I think this because i asked him.
terra isn't in charge of the boards any longer. His boyfriend, however, relishes the task, and is more or less fucking tyrannical. And, if you can believe it, he's got a thinner skin than maou does.
Case in point: I called him a twat, so he broke the boards and blamed my girlfriend. :hurr:
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I don't understand what the big deal about any of this is. Why can't anyone in this community handle the responsibility of managing a completely automated, pink website where nerds talk about video games?
How can the boards, fall apart when the only management they require is the banning of spam bots and.... that's it. That's all you have to do, ban spam bots! That is the only responsibility you have if you run the pyoko boards or this place here. Any other administrative actions taken by someone in a position of power are completely frivolous and unnecessary as far as I can see and always have been.
So can all this garbage just end now and can everyone stop acting so fucking butthurt about how some tranny doesn't like them or whatever the hell it is that compels people to continue to yell at each other and admin and de-admin people all over the place. It's turned this community from a group of whiny losers who I was getting tired of into a group of retarded losers that I don't want to even be seen talking to.
I can see how there was a problem when it was terra squandering donation money and taking the boards down and shit like that. But if all that stuff bothered you, well, we have this place now, hosted by Parish who is an all around cool guy and not a mentally unstable retard.
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(And Arc...it wasn't you, right?)
Toss this upon the pile of reasons why I deleted my account (along with paranoia that my account would be hijacked, and ensuring that the hundreds of mailing addresses in my private messages vanished).
I think my boards FTP access ended around the same time my FTP access to The Mayor ended (i.e. long ago).
Whatever happens, the posts hopefully remain available to view. There be gold in dem dare hills.
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But if all that stuff bothered you, well, we have this place now, hosted by Parish who is an all around cool guy and not a mentally unstable retard.
Ah, but you haven't accounted for me.
:evil:
Anyways, now is an opportune time for me to make a public apology for the original basis of this thread. It was a fuckheaded move on my part (for a multitude of reasons) that I stubbornly stuck with.
The signature of a responsible admin is fostering understanding, and I failed on that end above all. Everyone I've personally talked to in the past weeks has been very understanding and downright cool in regards to my miserable action, and has given me a better opinion on the community more than ever.
Much love, much love. :wuv:
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My final action as Bronto Imperator was to put up an Administration Log, where responsible admins would note every single action they took and the reason for it. I think it's a good idea.
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Assuming, of course, that Pyoko has responsible admins.
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Tell more jokes! I enjoy a good comedy routine.
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I think terra just wants to not be in charge of the boards or anything else any longer because being in a position of absolute power is stressful and probably even directly harmful to his mental state.
I think this because i asked him.
More precisely, he wants to be able to wave his dick around and remind everyone who's boss, without actually investing any sort of time or energy into maintaining the boards. He wants the power without the responsibility; he has not learned the lessons of Uncle Ben. :fail:
Hanlon's Razor, innit?
Ah, I've been trying to remember the term for that expression for ages; thanks.
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Bring water to boil, add rice, cook until tender, strain, serve to massa?
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I want to be admins I can responsible
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I'm just content to sit back and know that I did a better job than most other admins. Somehow.
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I want to be admins I can responsible
Ooh!! ooh!!! I have an Idea, let's give EVERYONE admin powers!!!! :lol:
Nothing bad could come of such a trusting Idea :justasplanned:
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I want to be admins I can responsible
Ooh!! ooh!!! I have an Idea, let's give EVERYONE admin powers!!!! :lol:
Nothing bad could come of such a trusting Idea :justasplanned:
Hell (It is a forum) (http://hell.oddwebsite.com/)
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(And Arc...it wasn't you, right?)
Toss this upon the pile of reasons why I deleted my account (along with paranoia that my account would be hijacked, and ensuring that the hundreds of mailing addresses in my private messages vanished).
I think my boards FTP access ended around the same time my FTP access to The Mayor ended (i.e. long ago).
I was (mostly) joking, but actually, come to think of it, you're probably the best guy to ask since most of those tweaks were yours:
Would Kazz, without FTP access, have been able to hose all that backend stuff -- formatting, the "who gave me karma" lists, the arcade, the shop, basically everything that isn't part of a stock SMF install? Because that doesn't make any sense to me. An admin could, if he wanted to, delete every single post and member on the forums, but I couldn't so much as add new post icons.
Anyway. Kazz, Niku, I'm exercising self-control and not sticking my head in over there to say all this, but if I were you that's what I'd focus on. If Arc confirms my suspicion that you COULDN'T have done it without FTP access, play the hell out of that card.
Also note that the member action/IP logs are fallible. Remember shortly after I stopped posting there, when I noticed the moderation log showed me deleting someone's account when I didn't, from an IP I've never used?
(Arc, that wasn't you either, right? It was before you deleted your account and right about the time you reset my password after somebody locked me out. But it wasn't your IP either.)
...Anyway. For a little dick-measuring, I just checked the two boards' stats, and Pyoko had only one more post in the month of February than WFE. Course, Arc and I are both WFE-exclusive and ridiculously prolific posters, but on the other hand, over there Kazz started a thread just to get everyone to post in it.
...My real point being that I'm not sure how long Pyoko can hold together if shit like this keeps happening over there. At this rate, it won't be just the admin team that's made up of a handful Terra's friends, it'll be the entire population of the boards.
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That's one of the things I really liked about Arc in general. He made a billion little tweaks that made the boards fun, or look better, or just smoother. This excuses the fact that getting a straight answer out of him is like pulling teeth.
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In the interest of settling at least one question that might arise from this post: I'm disinterested in the politics of these boards as anything but theater to the point that if I did have any background information to the contrary I have rigorously forgotten it. The question is then: Is this...
It won't be just the admin team that's made up of a handful Terra's friendly acquaintances, it'll be the entire population of the boards.
Really that much of a change?
Anyhow, ignoring the Sharkey, Thad, and Arc vs. Arct, Vance(?), and Someone exclusivity thing going on, Pyoko still seems to have a lot more posting being done. In spite of all sorts of bizarre antics going on. My first guess would be the restraint this forum shows in creating new threads, and on the same note a general unwillingness for the cleverer posters to make new un-retarded threads.
This whole discussion is really moot, because I'm pretty sure it's still your fault. Maybe if you act quick though, we can blame Kazz or someone else for everything here.
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In unrelated news, Kazz and Thad are promoted to global moderators. I'm not entirely sure that it equates to admin status, but I can't quite be bothered to give a hemorrhaging fuck. Meanwhile, they'll likely cancel each other out like antiparticles, which is probably futile, but at least fun to watch.
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Part of it, Classic, I think, is Pyoko had a buttton of topics that were random fuckall stuff. I think we're still in the "Better than Pyoboards" mindset here - even unconciously - so we stay away from one off threads when it can be better folded into one of the existing threads.
Or we could just still be in the 'testing the waters' phases. Sort of like how you're not very eager to jam all levers and shoves all knobs on your new shiny toy in fear of breaking it? It's sort of like that.
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Would Kazz, without FTP access, have been able to hose all that backend stuff -- formatting, the "who gave me karma" lists, the arcade, the shop, basically everything that isn't part of a stock SMF install?
Nope. You need FTP access to mess with any of the installed packages unless they have their own frontends (i.e. you can add shop items of existing types, but you can't install new kinds through the packages menu).
That's one of the things I really liked about Arc in general. He made a billion little tweaks that made the boards fun, or look better, or just smoother. This excuses the fact that getting a straight answer out of him is like pulling teeth.
Agreed. And pretty much what I was planning to do as well, except you know, see above. We didn't have FTP access, we couldn't change anything that wasn't already installed.
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Pyoko at this point is pretty much running on its existing projects. Most of the posts are in Exquisite Knorpse, Foll in the Blonk, Brawl Spoilers, Pyokomon League and a few of the ongoing drama topics. We don't have any big endeavors going on here mainly because at the moment this forum is made up of random disinterested stragglers who don't know what's going on yet. Plus most of us still have a foot in Pyoko, mainly because of the big endeavors. At least two of those listed above are going to fall off in about a week, so the livelihood of that board is pretty limited. Not that I'm particularly happy or sad about that.
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I was pretty sure the End Times were coming for Pyoko about a month ago, so I changed the admin team and started beating my chest. It actually did spur some activity, which was fun, but I guess all our fake ban threats made Arcturus feel like he wasn't properly feared.
And Zaratustra was deeply offended by everything I did, half because he dislikes me anyway and half because he took everything I said seriously (which might be why he dislikes me).
Anyway, I'm not an admin there now, and I'll remove it from myself if anyone puts it back, because I'd frankly rather see the whole ship go down at this point.
I'm a little shellshocked from the torrent of bullshit, which is why I vagged out in that "missing board" thread here. Sorry about that. I need to fucking relax.
Power sucks, kids. Stay helpless.
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Done and done!
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Is this...
It won't be just the admin team that's made up of a handful Terra's friendly acquaintances, it'll be the entire population of the boards.
Really that much of a change?
Not from where it is today, but yeah, I'd say it's a change from where we were four years ago.
...Except maybe not, because we were all Terra's friends back then.
Anyhow, ignoring the Sharkey, Thad, and Arc vs. Arct, Vance(?), and Someone exclusivity thing going on, Pyoko still seems to have a lot more posting being done. In spite of all sorts of bizarre antics going on. My first guess would be the restraint this forum shows in creating new threads, and on the same note a general unwillingness for the cleverer posters to make new un-retarded threads.
WFE had 50 new threads in February, to Pyoko's 40.
In unrelated news, Kazz and Thad are promoted to global moderators. I'm not entirely sure that it equates to admin status, but I can't quite be bothered to give a hemorrhaging fuck. Meanwhile, they'll likely cancel each other out like antiparticles, which is probably futile, but at least fun to watch.
Well, it's somewhat related to what Classic was saying in that now we can split threads. Which, as Kazz has noted, I enjoy doing.
The only drawback is now I can't call anyone a moron without it being perceived as a threat.
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Yes, well, neither can I, and I'm not even an admin.
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:sadpanda: And I can't give anyone a threat without being perceived as a moron!
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I love that the greatest threat I can volley at Brentai is granting him adminship.
::D:
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IT BURNS US!
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Hi!
So, a few days ago, I get off an eight hour shift and discover the boards are broken. I cuss and scream at no one in particular and question Arcturus, Lady Duke and Kazz about the possibility of antics and what they know. If any of this was accusatory to anyone, I apologize.
Then Arcturus decides the boards are fixed and "there's no way to know who dun it!" I accept the offer to continue being an Admin alongside Romosome. I think it's odd that Niku is punished arbitrarily and I trust Kazz overall, but I'm also friends with Arcturus. Like a sap, I decide to wait things out after making a calming, neutral part post in my typical faux-Dr Doom tone.
Kazz and Niku are upset and I guess Kazz considers me a Benedict Allosaur. All I've really done for the past three days is drift in an out between big work shifts, including a six hour shift followed by four hours hanging out at my dads. So the notion that I am actively plotting to do anything seems a bit ridiculous as I cannot actively plot to play as much Hellgate London as I'd like to.
But today, Kazz is quite convinced that I am a rotten apple, or something. My poorly worded plea to him of my neutral intent fell on Branniganesque ears. So, I've done what all of my predecessors have.
De-Admined myself, got Romosome's assurance that he'll run the boards in as beige and trouble-free a manner as possible, and made this crappy explanation post.
So you know, I don't know what the hell happened on that original wipe and I'm way too tired to care so much over a dick-waving contest that will possibly make three of my friends hate me. Yes, I mean Kazz, Niku and Arcturus. Any problems you three have with each other are your own. I've never done anything rotten to any of you and I've never wanted to. At most, I wanted to one day steal PKO status for myself for a week or so, throw up a catchy new theme(I was thinking Earthbound's Dinosaurland, or an Advance Wars style APOCALYPTICA) and make bad jokes that get misinterpreted.
Woo!
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You know, at this point, if I could, I'D wipe the boards.
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I still :wuv: you, Doomy.
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k s'all good
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I'm still wholly ambivalent to your existence Doom! Keep it up!
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no I mean it put me in charge
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:smile: I wholeheartedly endorse Bongo Bill.
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I'm still wholly ambivalent to your existence Doom! Keep it up!
so
are you this obnoxiously retarded on purpose
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Kazz?
It'd be best for everybody if you stopped talking for about a week.
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like i care what's best for everybody
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Everybody includes you.
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So to recap: not content with Terra pissing off a significant number of the regulars, Arcturus has now either removed or alienated the ENTIRE ADMIN TEAM.
I'm the biggest cynic around these parts, and I'M pretty surprised by how fast the whole thing's unraveled.
Then again, to suggest it's happened quickly sort of ignores the four years Terra has spent systematically alienating all the people who actually run his forums.
(It also bears noting, per the stat stuff I was pointing out before, Pyoko's postcount dropped by more than 40% from January to February. That's a lot more than just me and Arc. Although I suppose it COULD be a difference of my posts, Arc's, and replies to same.)
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I agree with Brentai.
While he masturbates furiously to that, I'll elaborate
Kazz you've sort of pissed everyone off and made yourself look like a whiny crybaby, killing the goodwill you built up with them. Take a week or so off from pyoko in general.
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That wasn't exactly my reasoning, but it works.
Also I already finished getting off, thanks.
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Good jesus that was fast
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Kazz you've sort of pissed everyone off and made yourself look like a whiny crybaby, killing the goodwill you built up with them. Take a week or so off from pyoko in general.
it's bad enough hearing this from people i respect.
but yeah, i'm doing that anyway. see you all the 9th.
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I'll have a beer open for ya.
Or an empty beer can, if you prefer.
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It was only half-empty.
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Regardless of my vaguely hostile-sounding posts on Pyoko, I am not pissed at at anyone and I would say Kazz's frustrations were entirely justified. I've seen people around here throw bigger fits for smaller issues. Pretty much from the moment I discovered that the WFE even existed I've been hoping everyone with a little bit of common sense and any redeeming value would recognize it as The Forum To Be At. I've only been stopping by Pyoko to see if Kazz and Niku could pull off some sort of impossible last-minute resuscitation, and to follow a couple topics we didn't have here. (See also Brent's post about the inertia from existing projects like Exquisite Knorpse and the Brawl topic.)
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It was only half-empty.
is it still pessimism if you got hit with the object in question
okay seriously shutting up now
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If he had said it was only "half-full" then it would have just been considered foreplay.
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WFE had 50 new threads in February, to Pyoko's 40.
Is that number at all tempered by the amount of pyoko threads being cloned here? (Wrath Dump, YouTube, etc.) I probably shouldn't be asking, given that I don't care enough to check.
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Yes. Fair point.
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We missed the 5 year anniversary!
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I love that the greatest threat I can volley at Brentai is granting him adminship.
::D:
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It's been five years and I'm still not an administrator.
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Good.
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It's been, uh...ten years? Maybe more? Goddamn, I feel old.
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Don't worry guys, we can still celebrate when I make my 10,000th post.
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I just remembered why this thread was started. ::3:
I LIKE YOU TOO, THAD :wuv:
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Look at all those people who don't post anymore.
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Once we outgrew the petty bickering and needless drama we as a community got super-boring.
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I prefer this to the bickering.
Let's just say the internet has plentiful supplies elsewhere, if that's really what a body craves.
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The boring here is a precious commodity which we zealously preserve.
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May we live in uninteresting times.
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Amen to that.
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The boring here is a precious commodity which we zealously preserve.
But not too zealously, or that would be exciting.
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