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Title: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 18, 2012, 06:11:28 PM
This is the game thread for Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes Nine and a Half. This post will be edited continuously to reflect the current state of the game. Role PMs have been sent out. If you think you are playing but haven't received one, contact me. It is now Day 1, and the game is afoot!

All communication outside this thread must be sent to me. Mark your votes and vote rescindments in bold. If the Weretiger wins, everybody else loses. If you forget what's in your inventory, ask me.

Here follows a list of the current 13 players:
Ardus: Human Gravedigger
Bleck: Innocent
Caithness: Werewolf
Classic: Vampire Ninja
Defenestration
Disposable Ninja: dropped out and replaced by Stush
Dizzy: vanilla innocent
dtsund
Envy
Friday: human Thief
Friend
gahitsu: Werewolf Vampire Hunter
jsnlxndrlv: Dracula
Kayma: Werewolf
LaserBeing: Frankenstein, may be resurrected starting Night 8
Lottel: Vampire Oracle
McDohl: human Wolfsbaner
NexAdruin: vanilla innocent
Nickasummers: Death
Stush
Syl: Werewolf
Zaratustra: Vampire Vigilante

The following items are at large:
Human-Seeking Scrier
Interceptor
Super Plush Bear
Thief's Glove
Air Bud
Betting Token
Fog Machine
Cloak of Invisibility
Almost Undetectable Poison
Money Tree
Scry-Sucking Crystal Ball
Silver Pendant
Seer's Glasses
The Bomb
The Shovel
The Assassin's Blade
Auction House
Fursuit
Lightsaber

The following items are up for auction currently:
Nonhuman-Seeking Scrier
Watcher
Voting Box

The following items have not yet been made available:
Dampening Field
Double-Bladed Lightsaber
Holy Cross
Klingon sword
Last Will and Testament
Mechanical Thief
Monster Counter
Scry Detector
Star Power
Teddy Bear
Tracker




This game uses different rules from Vampires vs Werewolves IX. I've taken the liberty of composing a new comprehensive rules document (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dfwmpBTR3pCvtH5nVoYOlRmv_NEsrHpiMnHc_R8jQD4/edit). Veterans may be more interested in just the changes to the rules, which are listed below:

The Weretiger can be both a Vampire and a Werewolf at the same time; all turn attempts against the Weretiger are treated as against a human.

There is no more Greater Werewolf role. Interactions between Werewolves and Vampires have been completely overhauled, and are summarized according to this table:
AttackerTargetResult
Werewolfordinary VampireVampire dies
WerewolfMaster Vampireboth die
Vampire kill attemptWerewolfboth die
Master Vampire turn attemptWerewolfboth survive and know each other

Dracula has a Night 0 scry.

One vanilla innocent will start the game with 5 less gold and a randomly chosen item. The item (but not its owner) will be revealed at the start of play.

A new role has been added: Death. Analogous to the Devil, Death wins with the Vampires and has the powers of the Vigilante.

A new role has been added: Frankenstein. Frankenstein's faction and inventory are not revealed upon death, and any player or players may pay 6 gold between them to resurrect Frankenstein as a night action after one night has passed.

The Ouija Board item has been removed.

The Lightsaber can now only be used to kill once. An additional item, the Double-Bladed Lightsaber, has been added. It is identical to the Lightsaber. If both items are owned at the same time, then the owner of either item may prevent the other from using it to kill on any given day.

The Last Will and Testament now reveals its user and target upon its activation at the user's death, rather than when the user declares its target.

Several new items have been added in addition to the Double-Bladed Lightsaber:

Human-Seeking Scrier: used once at night; the user is informed of the identity, but not the faction, of a random Human or Weretiger. Unturned Devil and Death can be targeted.

Almost Undetectable Poison: used privately during the day on a living player. The user must cast a vote for their target in order for the item to take effect, though the vote may later be rescinded. The target dies during the night and the cause of death is revealed as poison.

Monster Counter: the owner of this item knows at all times the exact number of living Vampires and the exact number of living Werewolves. Does not count Devils, Deaths, or Weretigers unless they were turned.

Betting Token: used publicly during the day. May only be used when ten or more players are alive. The user’s vote counts triple. If the target of the user’s vote is lynched and revealed to be human, the user is also lynched.

Fursuit: when the owner of this item is scried, their faction is not revealed; the scrier receives notice that the target’s species cannot be identified. The Private Investigator is not fooled.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 0
Post by: LaserBeing on June 19, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
The Werewolf vs. The Vampire Woman Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxZAm_wXvpg#)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 0
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 19, 2012, 07:03:45 AM
Day 1 has begun. There is no time limit for the first day, but subsequent days will be limited to 48 hours unless anybody uses their one Hammertime.

Today's Auction House items are:

Interceptor: If anyone kills you, this faithful watchdog kills your killer
Super Plush Bear: If anything would kill you, it kills this bear instead
Thief's Glove: You may steal all items and gold for one person.

Additionally, Wolfsbane may be purchased for 4 golds, and you may bid on the Private Investigator's services. Send your bids to me.

21 players are alive:
Ardus
Bleck
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
Disposable Ninja
Dizzy
dtsund
Envy
Friday
Friend
gahitsu
jsnlxndrlv
Kayma
LaserBeing
Lottel
McDohl
NexAdruin
Nickasummers
Syl
Zaratustra

It takes 8 votes to kill. Indicate your votes and rescindments in bold. I'm adding a poll as a convenience, but I'll be keeping the official count myself.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 19, 2012, 07:13:38 AM
I'm going to wait until everyone has posted before I start throwing my votes around all willy-nilly.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 19, 2012, 07:46:06 AM
You could potentially be waiting a very long time, then.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 19, 2012, 07:54:31 AM
Screw that Im not waiting... GUILD…guild isnt playing is he...

niku...oh...

Okay i guess Ill wait to vote. My usual approach is useless here.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Zaratustra on June 19, 2012, 08:28:48 AM
so um how is everyone this fine day
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 19, 2012, 08:31:00 AM
My vampire knee is flarin' up
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Kayma on June 19, 2012, 10:43:06 AM
Sup dudes. Let's start by everyone who's a monster just go ahead and tell us now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 19, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
Reporting in.

So... the point of the game is to find the witches and hang them, right? Ill keep an eye out for inappropriate broom use, warts, cackling, and ownership of black cats.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Lottel on June 19, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
Red Five, standing by.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 19, 2012, 11:32:30 AM
Sup dudes. Let's start by everyone who's a monster just go ahead and tell us now.
Reporting in.
:|

My vampire knee is flarin' up
As in your knee that is infected with Vampirism?

Good morning everyone I hear there are some NOSFERATUS and LYCANTHROPES in our fair town and I am here to help you all root them out.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Classic on June 19, 2012, 11:38:57 AM
Consuming a whole lot of alcohol is proof against vampires, right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 19, 2012, 11:44:56 AM
Consuming a whole lot of alcohol is proof against vampires, right?

Yes that is what the proof means it's like SPF for vamps
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 19, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Consuming a whole lot of alcohol is proof against vampires, right?

Yes that is what the proof means it's like SPF for vamps

Awesome I'm applying some 80 VPF right now I'mma be hella protected.

No, I am not serious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 19, 2012, 01:51:41 PM
I vote to lynch everybody who forgot that we were playing this and went out of town
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 19, 2012, 01:54:55 PM
Sup dudes. Let's start by everyone who's a monster just go ahead and tell us now.
Reporting in.
:|
His post wasnt there when I started writing my post. Still... thats pretty funny :p
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 19, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
Random.org tells me to vote for zaratustra.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 19, 2012, 02:23:59 PM
uh oh now my werewolf hair be all a tinglin'

that's hair that detects werewolfs, ya reckon

not dirty werewolf hair
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 19, 2012, 02:25:00 PM
yes i am going to be roleplayin' as a backwoods roughneck until i inevitably break character and start posting 10 page long essays, ya hear?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 19, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
not dirty werewolf hair

spoken like a true vampire
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
random.org tell me to vote for Friday.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2qnmux3.gif)

Also I had a roleplay persona planned but it's been so long I just don't care anymore.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 19, 2012, 02:31:31 PM
I'm gonna vote for the next person to use a random number generator to decide their vote
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 19, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
I'm present. Had a bout with food poisoning this morning. Still feel like shit. Ugh. Anyway, let's see...
Good morning everyone I hear there are some NOSFERATUS and LYCANTHROPES in our fair town and I am here to help you all root them out.

So you're a NEWCOMER? Do you have any proof to offer that you were not the one to bring this horrible disease to town?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 19, 2012, 02:39:18 PM
I'm present. Had a bout with food poisoning this morning. Still feel like shit. Ugh. Anyway, let's see...
Good morning everyone I hear there are some NOSFERATUS and LYCANTHROPES in our fair town and I am here to help you all root them out.
So you're a NEWCOMER? Do you have any proof to offer that you were not the one to bring this horrible disease to town?

I've been livin' here all my life you ol' so-and-so. You just ain't seen me much 'cause I like to keep to muhself.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 19, 2012, 02:42:18 PM
I'm gonna vote for the next person to use a random number generator to decide their vote

Don't piss off the Random Number God!  He'll just make tomorrow's items the Fog Machine, Cloak of Invisibility, and Air Bud.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 19, 2012, 02:44:20 PM
I have a multi-factor spreadsheet that scores participants on a number of metrics which will determine (at any given moment) whom I most need to vote for, either because they're particularly likely to be evil or because they're particularly injurious to the health of the game. At this moment, my spreadsheet is telling me to vote for Bleck.

You may vote for jsnlxndrlv to reveal his voting rubric. If at least half the currently living players have voted for me to do this, I will post a complete list of the behaviors and stats I am tracking, the methods I use to determine whom to vote for, and the timeline of changes this system undergoes, as those changes are implemented.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friend on June 19, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
This is clearly some sort of trick. But I admit, I'm curious as to what jsnlxndrlv is up to.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 19, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
Interesting. I wish I had thought of that myself. How much time did you spend on setting it up, out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 19, 2012, 03:24:37 PM
Actual setup took about 10 minutes, but I've been kicking the idea around and half-seriously using and subsequently dropping it over the last five or six games. I figured that, in a game with this many players, putting my vote at the mercy of the group dynamic is going to make it harder for vamps or wolves to take advantage and game the system—especially if there are never enough votes for them to discover what the system actually is.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 19, 2012, 03:32:21 PM
I am really curious what your metrics are, but I know you can't reveal them because anyone who knows how you are scoring people can manipulate their own score. It is, however, something I might have to look into for future wolf games myself. There is too much information for a person to look at all at once, I imagine such a thing would reveal things that otherwise go unnoticed.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 03:34:15 PM
I'm curious, if the idea is to not be manipulable by the group dynamic, why let the group dynamic decide whether you reveal it or not?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 19, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
...basically, there are certain factors that I'm convinced strongly indicate someone's on a non-innocent team. Unless and until one of those giveaway factors appears, I vote for people who contribute the most to certain voting and behavioral patterns that I feel reinforce a negative game atmosphere. However, the corrective impact of this voting methodology is blunted when the affected individuals can't tell whether I'm voting for them because I think they're evil or because I think want them to stop reinforcing negative trends... but letting people know why I'm voting for someone at any given moment would reveal the "giveaway factors" I'm on the lookout for.

I couldn't decide whether to be predictable or not. Thus: the vote.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Kayma on June 19, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
Sure. Whatever. Show us your Introduction to Microsoft Office project.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 19, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
OOOOOHHHHHHHH SNNNNAAPPPPP
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friend on June 19, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
I retract my vote. I 've just realized I've misunderstood how this system works.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Envy on June 19, 2012, 04:11:12 PM
Listen up ladies, there's two things out there keeping us from being safe. That's Furry things and pointy things. And were gonna kill them all. YA-HA!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 19, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
...basically, there are certain factors that I'm convinced strongly indicate someone's on a non-innocent team. Unless and until one of those giveaway factors appears, I vote for people who contribute the most to certain voting and behavioral patterns that I feel reinforce a negative game atmosphere. However, the corrective impact of this voting methodology is blunted when the affected individuals can't tell whether I'm voting for them because I think they're evil or because I think want them to stop reinforcing negative trends... but letting people know why I'm voting for someone at any given moment would reveal the "giveaway factors" I'm on the lookout for.

I couldn't decide whether to be predictable or not. Thus: the vote.

I sense bullshit myself, but I'll err on the side of judgement that states you're reasonably smart and capable of making this thing. As for my vote, let's go with Envy. It served me well last game!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 19, 2012, 04:46:06 PM
LEAVE ENVY ALOONNEE T_T AFTER ALL HE HAS BEEN THROUGH!

Just kidding. I was planning to vote for Envy but... JSN's spreadsheet is making me a little suspicious. Im keeping my vote back for a little bit longer. I must think on these updates.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 05:14:17 PM
I think it's a thought exercise. Like, if you vote to make him predictable than you're a fangy!!

But goddamn, I'm curious.  :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 19, 2012, 05:16:46 PM
why would the spreadsheet make you suspicious? it isn't something he thought of and whipped up since he was given his role last night. it's just a wolf strategy that he is subjecting us to with our knowledge.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 19, 2012, 05:30:55 PM
I think it's a thought exercise. Like, if you vote to make him predictable than you're a fangy!!

But goddamn, I'm curious.  :nyoro~n:

This. I want to know, but as soon as it is explained it starts to lose value because people can game it. If it doesn't get enough votes during game, I hope it is explained post-game.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 19, 2012, 05:33:53 PM
Likely pointless, but likely harmless as well, I think.

I'm gonna do the smart thing and continue randomly calling for zara's blood.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
why would the spreadsheet make you suspicious? it isn't something he thought of and whipped up since he was given his role last night. it's just a wolf strategy that he is subjecting us to with our knowledge.

It's not at all the spreadsheet that makes us nervous/suspicious/whatever; if it's done well, it's a fantastic idea and I'm surprised Destil hasn't written a program like this already. It's not even his claim that he's got one and he's going to be voting for people using it, though that could lead to some amazing cop outs later on ("I vote for gahitsu! She's totally suspicious, according to my calculations, but I can't really talk about it or explain it but I've got the numbers and I'm voting yes!").

It's just that, if you think you have a great system, and have identified some fantastic patterns that makes someone more or less likely to be a disgusting Wolfpire, then you should keep it to yourself (fake edit: as Nicka says, "oon as it is explained it starts to lose value because people can game it"). An idea like this should probably be kept to yourself. And to further clarify:

Quote
...basically, there are certain factors that I'm convinced strongly indicate someone's on a non-innocent team. Unless and until one of those giveaway factors appears, I vote for people who contribute the most to certain voting and behavioral patterns that I feel reinforce a negative game atmosphere. However, the corrective impact of this voting methodology is blunted when the affected individuals can't tell whether I'm voting for them because I think they're evil or because I think want them to stop reinforcing negative trends... but letting people know why I'm voting for someone at any given moment would reveal the "giveaway factors" I'm on the lookout for.

I couldn't decide whether to be predictable or not. Thus: the vote.

Look, if a dude or a dudette is leaning towards some negative trends, but you don't think they're Mafia, don't vote scare them out of it. Call them out on their bullshit, explain why their bullshit stinks, and watch 'em after. If you think they're blowing bullshit because they're mafiosos, call them out on their bullshit and then vote for them.

I can understand why someone would make something like this. I can almost see why someone would claim to have it. I can't understand why someone would offer to put it up for public consumption, for any good reason. Again, probably the most positive thing I can claim is that this is a thought experiment and he's waiting to see who jumps on this like this is a good idea.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 05:43:54 PM
Fuck, I should proofread this shit before I post walls of texts. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 19, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.

McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 19, 2012, 06:09:49 PM
Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.

McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.

You are correct.
Bleck, dizzy, mcdohl, and syl have yet to check in.
That said, they may not have seen the thread yet. I'd vote people for being quiet but not for being unaware the game has even started yet.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friend on June 19, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
Likely pointless, but likely harmless as well, I think.

I'm gonna do the smart thing and continue randomly calling for zara's blood.

I can tell you're a good person because you have the courage to stand up for your convictions.

Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.

McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.

You are correct.
Bleck, dizzy, mcdohl, and syl have yet to check in.
That said, they may not have seen the thread yet. I'd vote people for being quiet but not for being unaware the game has even started yet.

I agree. We should have some grace period before we start lynching quiet people.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 19, 2012, 06:15:18 PM
why would the spreadsheet make you suspicious? it isn't something he thought of and whipped up since he was given his role last night. it's just a wolf strategy that he is subjecting us to with our knowledge.

It's not at all the spreadsheet that makes us nervous/suspicious/whatever; if it's done well, it's a fantastic idea and I'm surprised Destil hasn't written a program like this already.

Dizzy tried doing something like that at some point, with very limited success.

Actually, where is Dizzy?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 19, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
now hear this

you youngin's don't have the TENACITY to fight PURE MISERY EVIL like the likes of the likes we be see'in round these parts in recent time.

why just the other day I saw a man using some kind of newfangled touchbox to talk to his misses! misses I says. more like LUCIFER. he says whats he gots is called an ipad but I knows better. The devil is at work here, and I don't mean no werewolf seer, no sir.

now get the heck off my porch! you scoundrels are worse than a pox!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: McDohl on June 19, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
Yeah, I mean, come on guys, I've been working for the past ten days straight.  I only noticed this because Bronto sends me an e-mail when I get PMs.  Sometimes.

But anyway, yeah, checking in.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
now hear this

you youngin's don't have the TENACITY to fight PURE MISERY EVIL like the likes of the likes we be see'in round these parts in recent time.

why just the other day I saw a man using some kind of newfangled touchbox to talk to his misses! misses I says. more like LUCIFER. he says whats he gots is called an ipad but I knows better. The devil is at work here, and I don't mean no werewolf seer, no sir.

now get the heck off my porch! you scoundrels are worse than a pox!

yeah ok gramma we got this
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Dizzy on June 19, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
I vote for Nickasummers.

No comment on the rest. Good luck guys!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Classic on June 19, 2012, 07:12:10 PM
Everyone knows that booze is the greatest mental lubricant. There's nothing a man loves better than to get sauced and perfect a new calculus. To that end, I am also creating a spreadsheet and calling kayma a horrible pissant.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 19, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
My super-secret rubric's analysis of the 2nd and 3rd pages says that Ardus and jsnlxndrlv are vampires and that Nickasummers and NexAdruin are wolves. It spit out gahitsu's name as being a Wolf twice.

The analysis of the first page said that BongoBill is a vampire and a double-wolf, though, so I'm throwing that data out.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bleck on June 19, 2012, 07:29:38 PM
I vote for the next person who mentions spreadsheets.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 19, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
I vote for Dizzy for signing up for Mafia games that he hates playing.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 19, 2012, 07:36:58 PM
I vote for the next person to say he votes for the next person who does something.

wait

shit
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 19, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
Vote retracted


Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.

McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.

You are correct.
Bleck, dizzy, mcdohl, and syl have yet to check in.
That said, they may not have seen the thread yet. I'd vote people for being quiet but not for being unaware the game has even started yet.

I agree. We should have some grace period before we start lynching quiet people.

Ouch, McDohl.

Looks like Bleck is here. So Syl is the only one left?

I better take some time and review all of the posts. Dont want any of you baddies and your bad deeds to go unnoticed!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Zaratustra on June 20, 2012, 03:12:49 AM
Guild has made me suspicious of anyone that starts arguing for an extremely complex strategy, so I'm voting for jsnlxndrlv.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Syl on June 20, 2012, 04:35:44 AM
Hey guys, i'm here now.  Sorry, the game started when I was essentially on a "24 hour without internet" situation. 

I just read the whole thread and it seems like a typical day one to me! 

I think i'm going to vote for Friday[/color] because it is only wednesday. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Kayma on June 20, 2012, 05:14:37 AM
Hey everyone.

Spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 20, 2012, 07:23:02 AM
Kayma directing everyone to vote for somebody else? Totally vampire wolf tiger uppercut nonsense.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 20, 2012, 08:10:26 AM
I assumed he was just trying to bait Bleck into voting for him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 20, 2012, 08:57:06 AM
Lottel.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 20, 2012, 12:01:26 PM
Since Lottel hasn't actually said anything besides "hello", I'm assuming Newbie's vote for him is based on reams and reams of sophisticated high-tech computer math data. That's the unspoken context in which I guess we're supposed to view his single-word, explanation-free post, because otherwise it would just look suspicious, and I have never known Newbie to do anything that might make him look suspicious

So Lottel it is! After all, who am I to argue with science?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 20, 2012, 01:25:54 PM
Trying to mask an additional vote with no reasoning behind it by sarcastically pointing out Newbie's? That seems pretty suspicious to me, LaserBeing.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 20, 2012, 01:40:14 PM
The two people I am getting feelings from are Laser and Friday. Friday is only slightly more suspicious to me than Laser though.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 20, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
... what the cock, you're already finding people suspicious?

gonna be honest, that itself is actually kind of suspicious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 20, 2012, 02:04:56 PM
Since Lottel hasn't actually said anything besides "hello", I'm assuming Newbie's vote for him is based on reams and reams of sophisticated high-tech computer math data. That's the unspoken context in which I guess we're supposed to view his single-word, explanation-free post, because otherwise it would just look suspicious, and I have never known Newbie to do anything that might make him look suspicious

So Lottel it is! After all, who am I to argue with science?

Trying to mask an additional vote with no reasoning behind it by sarcastically pointing out Newbie's? That seems pretty suspicious to me, LaserBeing.

Yeah this seems a bit awkward so I'm gonna go for LaserBeing
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 20, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
This is the best line of reasoning I've seen all day, so for the interests of making this day not last all week I'll vote LaserBeing.

Random Number God can go screw himself.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 20, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
Trying to mask an additional vote with no reasoning behind it by sarcastically pointing out Newbie's? That seems pretty suspicious to me, LaserBeing.

Who says I'm trying to mask anything? I'm just putting my money where Newbie's mouth is. If he's going to make cryptic claims about secret insight and then follow it up with unsubstantiated assertions I want to see if he can back it up. Even if pushing this angle doesn't reveal anything about Lottel it might at least reveal something about Newbie. OR we could just sit here for another 24 hours while everyone casts a random single vote on everyone else and end up learning nothing.

after all, if I've learned anything from wolfgames it's that the quickest way to defeat one of Newbie's master plans is to put it into action
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 20, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
The two people I am getting feelings from are Laser and Friday. Friday is only slightly more suspicious to me than Laser though.

This confuses me because I don't see Friday as having done anything suspicious, and Laser was definitely being more suspicious at the time of this post. It makes me think you might be tossing out a bad name and a good name to give yourself credibility later.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 20, 2012, 03:43:39 PM
I've seen innocent people (read: envy) get lynched for saying something that they intended one way but was seen as suspicious by others. He may well be bad, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am not going to jump on him for one post right now simply because I have been looking at things I normally don't and they are pointing a bit more at Friday. That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 20, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
So is the theme of this game going to be that we've all got a team of mathematicians drumming up equations to point us in the right direction or what.

If you're suspicious of someone, call them the fuck out. Don't say "I'm suspicious of 5 people right now because of these factors I'm not telling anyone about." Not telling the town who is suspicious and why isn't a good way to help the town.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 20, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.

I'm assuming you're talking about either me, for calling out your weird criteria for being weird, or dtsund for jumping up on the bandwagon so readily. If it's the former, well, screw you I'm totes innocent. If it's the latter, I totally agree.

dtsund
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 20, 2012, 04:20:19 PM
Newbie is Newbie and he always plays the same crazy metric style regardless of his guilt or innocence. Seriously, I have learned from experience that you cannot nail Newbie purely based on him "acting crazy" anymore than you can Guild. (Or myself).
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 20, 2012, 04:20:46 PM
OH NO I DEFENDED ANOTHER PLAYER HE MUST BE MY OLROX WERETIGER DEVIL DEATH
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Kayma on June 20, 2012, 04:32:11 PM
Newbie's behavior does not fit my data.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 20, 2012, 05:29:25 PM
That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.

I'm assuming you're talking about either me, for calling out your weird criteria for being weird, or dtsund for jumping up on the bandwagon so readily. If it's the former, well, screw you I'm totes innocent. If it's the latter, I totally agree.

dtsund

It's Day 1.  What else am I supposed to do?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 20, 2012, 05:47:52 PM
... vote in a way that doesn't unnecessarily hasten the end of Day 1, and don't make light, flippant posts that make you look like you're avoiding scrutiny that was never on you in the first place.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Lottel on June 20, 2012, 07:24:56 PM
So is the theme of this game going to be that we've all got a team of mathematicians drumming up equations to point us in the right direction or what.

If you're suspicious of someone, call them the fuck out. Don't say "I'm suspicious of 5 people right now because of these factors I'm not telling anyone about." Not telling the town who is suspicious and why isn't a good way to help the town.

Yeah. You can have all this crazy math or follow your guts or whatever but just posting a bold name is the wrong way to go.
So while Newbie is all sorts of bad here, I'm throwing my vote for LaserBeing. You really shouldn't vote along with someone without seeing WHY they are voting, unless you happen to know what they are thinking because you are on the same team.

And before you all get in a tizzy that I didn't vote for Newbie, I'm curious to see where he goes with this.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Kayma on June 20, 2012, 07:48:59 PM
I'm not. Newbie.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 20, 2012, 08:46:23 PM
Envy still hasn't posted, and neither Envy, Friday, or McDohl have voted, unless I miscounted.

I have stopped attempting to track the "number of waffles" statistic as well as voting history, because 1. we have a ton of players, 2. my free time has dropped by an average of 6.5 hours per day over the last week, and 3. the thread itself serves as voting history, assuming no monkey business.

Meanwhile, Dizzy's vote-to-post ratio is looking a little high.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 20, 2012, 09:20:35 PM
Envy still hasn't posted, and neither Envy, Friday, or McDohl have voted, unless I miscounted.

I have stopped attempting to track the "number of waffles" statistic as well as voting history, because 1. we have a ton of players, 2. my free time has dropped by an average of 6.5 hours per day over the last week, and 3. the thread itself serves as voting history, assuming no monkey business.

Meanwhile, Dizzy's vote-to-post ratio is looking a little high.
Envy made one post, actually (page 2)
Unless I missed their vote when going through the thread, the people who have not yet voted are as follows:
Bleck
Envy
Friday
McDohl

You didnt ask, but the following people have made only one post thus far(again, unless i missed it. I am not perfect):
Bleck
Defenestration
Dizzy
Envy
Syl

Anything else you want to know?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 20, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
So while Newbie is all sorts of bad here

Really? By my count he's only one sort of bad; the aforementioned "single word vote" sort, which is really only a very basic metric of badness and is basically all ANYONE posted for the first three pages, except in most cases with some added pointless filler text about random number generators. Raising the charge to "all sorts" sounds more like you trying to paint a conclusion as foregone when it isn't.

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You really shouldn't vote along with someone without seeing WHY they are voting, unless you happen to know what they are thinking because you are on the same team.

And before you all get in a tizzy that I didn't vote for Newbie, I'm curious to see where he goes with this.

So... are you accusing Newbie of being a wolfpire or not? On the one hand you're insinuating that he and I are in sinister cahoots, but on the other hand you think he might be on the level. Isn't your entire case against me based entirely on he and I being on the same team? Which is it, then?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 20, 2012, 09:40:10 PM
I'm not. Newbie.
I wish to clarify, for the sake of outsiders who may not know, that Newbie is jsnlxndrlv and jsnlxndrlv is Newbie and they are the same person who goes by jsnlxndrlv but used to go by Newbie and some people still call him Newbie because that's a much easier name to deal with than jsnlxndrlv.

What I am trying to say is, I understood this vote, and so can you.

Since I'm posting anyway, here is the current vote tallies, despite the status of the poll:
LaserBeing: 4 votes
Dizzy: 2 votes
Friday: 2 votes
jsnlxndrlv: 2 votes
dtsund: 1 vote
Envy: 1 vote
Kayma: 1 vote
Lottel: 1 vote
Nickasummers: 1 vote
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 21, 2012, 12:20:53 AM
welp I'm going to bed, don't kill me plz

(http://anotherdimension.pyoko.org/dontkill.png)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Zaratustra on June 21, 2012, 03:57:00 AM
I am so sorry LaserBeing but day one must die
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 21, 2012, 10:40:22 AM
I've made two posts, actually. Three with this one. I never have anything to go off of in Day 1 unless it's handed it to me like last time. I'm just watching and chillin'.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 11:03:24 AM
I've made two posts, actually. Three with this one. I never have anything to go off of in Day 1 unless it's handed it to me like last time. I'm just watching and chillin'.
So you did! My bad. I shall update my records.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Envy on June 21, 2012, 03:41:57 PM
There's more then enough people to vote for a lynch without me voting, which I then use to determine if they voted for him and he turns up inno there's more than likely a chance one of those people is a bat or dog. If they end up being evil then they are more than likely innocent.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 21, 2012, 04:46:27 PM
But if enough other people are thinking the same way as you, there won't be enough to vote for a lynch.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 21, 2012, 06:10:43 PM
There's more then enough people to vote for a lynch without me voting, which I then use to determine if they voted for him and he turns up inno there's more than likely a chance one of those people is a bat or dog. If they end up being evil then they are more than likely innocent.

So are you saying that you don't want to help us find batdogs? You just want to sit back and watch us find them? You can do analysis and still vote.

Help the town or be hanged by the town. We've got batdogs to find and if you're just going to sit around and watch then you are part of the problem.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 21, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
Batdogs?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 21, 2012, 06:16:24 PM
It's like a catdog but more sinister.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 21, 2012, 06:24:04 PM
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9002997/Ace1.jpg)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 21, 2012, 06:49:33 PM
That's not very sinister at all. But we're getting away from the point. Envy, are actively and publicly acknowledging that you are distancing yourself from the Town? Are you capable of making a sane decision in these games *at all?*

I feel like I should do something else, but I can't vote for him any more than I already did...
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Classic on June 21, 2012, 07:12:59 PM
At first I was like, "Envy's being kinda dumb. That's commensurate with his usual play style."
Then I was like, "Wait, how does that make sense? AAAH! IT'S CONTAGIOUS!!"
Envy I can only hope that this drink will serve as an antiseptic against (permanent) stupidity.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 07:39:08 PM
Lets all lynch envy day 1 for saying something silly but not inherently wolfy. I mean, this happens almost every single game, but this time i bet he really is a wolf!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
Just to be clear, that was sarcasm
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Dizzy on June 21, 2012, 07:45:28 PM
I am the Weretiger.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Lottel on June 21, 2012, 07:46:08 PM
Oh god damn it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Envy on June 21, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
In that case Dizzy on the suspicions of being a weretiger. That vote is as good as anyone else's right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friend on June 21, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
Why is it that when someone offers themselves up to be lynched another person decides to up the ante.

Another thing: I find Nickasummer's infatuation with Envy a bit strange:

I've seen innocent people (read: envy) get lynched for saying something that they intended one way but was seen as suspicious by others. He may well be bad, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am not going to jump on him for one post right now simply because I have been looking at things I normally don't and they are pointing a bit more at Friday. That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.


Envy still hasn't posted, and neither Envy, Friday, or McDohl have voted, unless I miscounted.

I have stopped attempting to track the "number of waffles" statistic as well as voting history, because 1. we have a ton of players, 2. my free time has dropped by an average of 6.5 hours per day over the last week, and 3. the thread itself serves as voting history, assuming no monkey business.

Meanwhile, Dizzy's vote-to-post ratio is looking a little high.
Envy made one post, actually (page 2)
Unless I missed their vote when going through the thread, the people who have not yet voted are as follows:
Bleck
Envy
Friday
McDohl

You didnt ask, but the following people have made only one post thus far(again, unless i missed it. I am not perfect):
Bleck
Defenestration
Dizzy
Envy
Syl

Anything else you want to know?

Lets all lynch envy day 1 for saying something silly but not inherently wolfy. I mean, this happens almost every single game, but this time i bet he really is a wolf!


Why bother going to such lengths to defend Envy, unless you've scried him as the oracle?
...unless he's your teammate?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 21, 2012, 09:30:16 PM
Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Lottel on June 21, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
Is he volunteering or taking the bullet for you?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
I am not defending Envy. I am merely pointing out that there have been multiple games where someone other than envy has had multiple votes, and then someone calls envy on being quiet, he makes a post, and then suddenly everyone switches votes to him and lynches him. Sometimes he is, in fact bad. Sometimes he isnt. The post people lynch him for virtually never has anything actually wolfy in it. That is all I am saying.

THAT SAID some (not all, but some) of the votes on laser are also stupid. I am a firm believer that day 1 can provide relevant information before we lynch somebody, and that voting for someone for the sake of voting for someone (or for the sake of ending day 1) is stupid and bad for the team.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Classic on June 21, 2012, 09:53:35 PM
Slow down rummy. The corollary to Envy's statement is that he's not interested in establishing a voting record for himself and doesn't feel that voicing his opinions and trying to help us is worthwhile. It boils down to he's being only a nominal participant because he can't be a non-participant.

I'm not saying we ought to rush the day along, I'm saying if you're not working to root out bads you're a liability.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
If we had nobody else to vote for, I would agree that voting for him because he isn't helping us find bads is a good idea. The thing is, unless my memory is bad, he is acting precisely the way he normally does, which is pretty much the definition of "unsuspicious". I am actually okay with you voting for envy for the reason you just stated if you really believe he is going to be a problem, it is a valid reason to vote. But I can just feel the bandwagon getting ready to pounce on him because "hey its envy why not"
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friend on June 21, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.

Voting for Dizzy is a waste of time. He's obviously joking, and if he isn't, then it's still a waste of time to kill a known weretiger, especially on day 1. The weretiger is and always will be the innocent's ace in the hole. It's fine for the innocent team to lynch the weretiger incidentally, but unless the weretiger is also a Nosferatu/Lycan, there is never really a reason to actively lynch them unless the innocent team is on the verge of winning.

1) Because the other teams will be actively searching for the weretiger, especially if they are close to winning. Which leads to

2) Having the weretiger around delays the other teams, provided they are still looking. (In this case, assuming Dizzy is the weretiger, this benefit is nullified)

3) The other team will have to spend a night kill to get rid of the weretiger.

In conclusion, It's pointless to kill Dizzy right now, regardless of whether he is or is not the weretiger.

Having said that, I can understand why you're voting for Dizzy, since you'd probably want to get the heat off of yourself.

I am not defending Envy. I am merely pointing out that there have been multiple games where someone other than envy has had multiple votes, and then someone calls envy on being quiet, he makes a post, and then suddenly everyone switches votes to him and lynches him. Sometimes he is, in fact bad. Sometimes he isnt. The post people lynch him for virtually never has anything actually wolfy in it. That is all I am saying.

Why does it even matter to you that Envy's getting votes though? It's not as if he's top of the lynch list anyways.


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I agree with Classic.


Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

If we had nobody else to vote for, I would agree that voting for him because he isn't helping us find bads is a good idea. The thing is, unless my memory is bad, he is acting precisely the way he normally does, which is pretty much the definition of "unsuspicious". I am actually okay with you voting for envy for the reason you just stated if you really believe he is going to be a problem, it is a valid reason to vote. But I can just feel the bandwagon getting ready to pounce on him because "hey its envy why not"

Who do you think is more suspicious than Envy? I would write a more thorough response but my brain is kinda turning off here.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 10:18:08 PM
It matters because there are other people that I think are more likely to be bad than him and killing an innocent is not good for us. I am about to do something with the information I have collected and make a post about who these 'other people' are after i have gotten a chance to look at it. But at this instant, I feel like the odds of envy being a good lynch are at best 'not in our favor'

I DO wish he would post more, and maybe make a vote that feels more than half-hearted, however.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 21, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
My top 5 list of people to lynch, in no particular order, are Friday, dtsund, laser, newbie, kayma.

Friday and Laser have been on my watch list for a while because they were both posting a lot but not saying much.
Laser started being more relevant as people started voting for him, but there are a few people he has not interacted with, one of which is kayma.
dtsund got onto my list for similar reasons, and also for bandwagoning (nice catch, DNi, he is exactly who i was refering to)
Newbie I actually was pretty sure was innocent for a while. He speaks reasonably often and never makes a post unless he has something worth saying. I didnt really notice him avoiding anyone (which to me would be a sign of being allies on a bad team). However, I know from Manpires v bearwolves IXtreme that he is a shrewd and skilled player. Being a good player alone would be a terrible reason to lynch someone, but kayma has kind of been harping on him.

If I had to guess, and lets face it, on day 1 most everything is pure conjecture, I would guess the following:
Kayma - dracula (scried newbie as a wolf or weretiger. since he doesnt want to turn him, he has tried to get a lynch on him)
Laser - vampire (hasnt interacted with kayma at all, and is in general suspicious to me)

Newbie - wolf (see kayma above. this is admitedly flimsy and I have no intention of voting for newbie today, but i intend to keep my eye on him)
dtsund - wolf (bandwagoning, posts fluff, voted for laser so if laser is a vampire dtsund is not)

Friday - Weretiger (seriously, while writing stuff down I have gotten the strong feeling that friday is trying to avoid everyone without being quiet. i just have a feeling)

If Friday IS the weretiger, we don't want her dead just yet.

Sure. Whatever. Show us your Introduction to Microsoft Office project.
Newbie's behavior does not fit my data.
I'm not. Newbie.

So Kayma, mind telling us why you are so interested in Newbie?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 22, 2012, 12:12:17 AM
All I can say is Friend is right: The Weretiger is primarily a good thing for the innocents to keep around. During the mid game, the vampires are forced to put on the brakes of their relentless expansion if they haven't found the tiger yet. They will even start scrying their own team sometimes (I've seen it happen.) Similar things happen within the wolf ranks, especially if the vampires get a bad start and end up underpopulated/crippled in the mid-game.

Of course, we can't win while the Tiger lives, and ultimately all three factions want him dead. He's gotten a buff in this version that he never had before, he can actually be on both evil teams at the same time. This is fucking huge. A tiger lucky enough to get turned twice (or start off as vamp or wolf and then get turned) is in an extremely powerful position. Though the chances of this happening are slim to none, nonetheless, if I was a bad, I'd be extra paranoid this game.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 22, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
Anyway, from what I understand, Dizzy is TT's version of Guild when it comes to wolf. Take what he says the same way you would take Guild.

And keep in mind that Guild, despite the meme, is actually a pretty damn good wolf player, when town. I don't know about Dizzy, but he can't have a reputation over there for nothing.

Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 22, 2012, 12:30:14 AM
dtsund got onto my list for similar reasons, and also for bandwagoning

I would be interested to know how, exactly, we're supposed to get anyone lynched on Day 1 without "bandwagoning".  As you say,

on day 1 most everything is pure conjecture

Short of someone with a Night 0 power coming forward with a scry result, most of today's accusations and counter-accusations and whatnot are going to be wild speculation.  In this climate, lynches don't happen without "bandwagoning".

Since you seem to regard bandwagoning as a bad thing, does this mean you'd prefer a No Lynch vote?

Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?

Dizzy's reputation is for... unusual play.  Not bad play per se, but he tends to be rather inscrutable, and "I am the Weretiger" is absolutely something he'd say regardless of whether he's the Weretiger.

Guild's reputation on TT is as the Worst Player Ever, but he was guilty in both of the games he played there, so.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 22, 2012, 12:42:01 AM
No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 22, 2012, 01:05:18 AM
No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.

I happen to agree with this assessment, but the question wasn't directed at you and was largely rhetorical anyway.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Syl on June 22, 2012, 04:45:02 AM
I just wanted to say that I'm keeping my vote for Friday even though it is now, actually, Friday. 

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Anyway, from what I understand, Dizzy is TT's version of Guild when it comes to wolf. Take what he says the same way you would take Guild.

And keep in mind that Guild, despite the meme, is actually a pretty damn good wolf player, when town. I don't know about Dizzy, but he can't have a reputation over there for nothing.

Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?
I have no fucking clue what this post means.

What is TT?  Who/what is Guild?  When you say "town" are you talking about someone without powers or a particular situation?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Kayma on June 22, 2012, 06:21:18 AM
What is TT?  Who/what is Guild?  When you say "town" are you talking about someone without powers or a particular situation?

Kayma here. Welcome to the next installment in my 438 part TEDxMAFIA talk, "Werewolves and Where to Find Them"

TT is Talking Time, step sister forum of Brontoforum.us. Some of the people in this game hail from there. They play Werewolf except they usually call it mafia and they talk way, way more than us. They're cute.

Guild is a notorious wolf player from these forums known for his theatrics, intimate knowledge of the workings of this game, and complete, utter insanity. He is at any one time the best or the worst player who has ever been. He was basically banned from playing over at TT. A common inside meme is to just vote for him immediately to get him out of the game, whether he's playing or not.

"Town" refers to the innocent roles, powered or not, who win when all mafia/vampires/werewolves/etc. are dead
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 22, 2012, 06:41:43 AM
I would be interested to know how, exactly, we're supposed to get anyone lynched on Day 1 without "bandwagoning".  As you say,

Short of someone with a Night 0 power coming forward with a scry result, most of today's accusations and counter-accusations and whatnot are going to be wild speculation.  In this climate, lynches don't happen without "bandwagoning".

Since you seem to regard bandwagoning as a bad thing, does this mean you'd prefer a No Lynch vote?

You misunderstand what I am saying. Hard evidence from scries is good but not critical to making a decision, and when I say "band wagon" I am referring to people jumping on a vote with seemingly little thought and consideration. Any vote that contains some reference to the duration of day 1 is probably a band wagon vote. Any vote that has a "sure why not" feel to the wording is probably a band wagon vote.

Not all day 1 votes are like this, and you could lynch someone without having a flippant attitude about it. It kind of bothers me when there are players who act like day 1 is nothing but dart-throwing at a wall of names. But alas, there is at least one in every game it seems.

If you are going to vote alongside someone, say "You know what, you are right, that post was pretty suspicious! <bolded name>, what do you have to say for yourself?" rather than "Eh that makes sense and I dont want today to take forever so sure why not <bold name>" It is as much about attitude and conviction as it is anything else.

Yeah. You can have all this crazy math or follow your guts or whatever but just posting a bold name is the wrong way to go.
So while Newbie is all sorts of bad here, I'm throwing my vote for LaserBeing. You really shouldn't vote along with someone without seeing WHY they are voting, unless you happen to know what they are thinking because you are on the same team.
This is a good vote. The person making it shows that they are thinking, and have a clear reason for voting.

In that case Dizzy on the suspicions of being a weretiger.
This vote would be an okay vote, if it were the actual vote. The person has a reason for making the vote. Whether or not the reason is good is something that can be debated, but he has a reason even if he seems somewhat unconfident

In that case Dizzy on the suspicions of being a weretiger. That vote is as good as anyone else's right?
This, the actual full quote, is a bad vote. By saying "hey this vote is as good as any other vote" you basically tell everyone "I have no confidence in my vote I am just voting for the sake of voting.

Am I making any sense? I this turned into a much larger wall of text than I intended it to.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 22, 2012, 11:33:29 AM
I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both). 

I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 22, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
Current vote tally:
LaserBeing: 5
Dizzy: 4
Envy: 2
Friday: 2
dtsund: 1
jsnlxndrlv: 1
Kayma: 1
Nickasummers: 1

It takes 8 votes to fucking end Day 1.

Friday, take a note for VvWX: enact a time limit for Day 1.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 22, 2012, 11:49:26 AM
I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both). 

I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.

I think we need to step back and reconsider the logic of lynching the players they admit are good because of a lack of participation on *day one.* This day one is fairly active, but it is still a day one. It is not uncommon for someone to use it as a data collection period before stepping into the game proper. You could argue that removing infamously strong players from the game removes the threat of a dangerous scum "supergroup" but mathematically at this moment it is much more likely, two thirds more likely if Bongo uses the traditional method of divvying up roles, for any one specific person to be innocent. The chance of losing strong allies for the town is much more likely right now and I can't very well abide it or self defeating logic of that sort.

Ardus.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 22, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
I assign all roles randomly and do not reroll, much less cherry-pick, even if doing so could conceivably make things more hilarious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Defenestration on June 22, 2012, 12:07:21 PM
I was referring to the traditional inno/scum division being 2/3 Inno to 1/3 scum give or take a wolfpire.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 22, 2012, 12:14:50 PM
Oh, right.

No comment.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both). 

I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.

Ardus we're friends and all but you just said we should lynch good players because they'll slip up. Are you drunk? The only part of this post that I can kind of see as logical is that Friday is a good player who hasn't said much, but that doesn't mean she's hiding something. It's day fucking 1.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 12:30:32 PM
Oh I misread you said bad players will slip up but you still seem to be advocating the killing of good players regardless of their affiliation. This is a very evil attitude.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bleck on June 22, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
For fuck's sake let's just kill LaserBeing.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Ardus on June 22, 2012, 01:04:32 PM
Good thing you reread it, Nex.

You all can call me evil all you want. I may be digging my own grave here, but I definitely dont think Friday is to be trusted. Just as there is a good chance she is inno, there is also a reasonable chance that she is a vampire/ werewolf.

Let me put it this way though. I can stand to see someone else go (at the moment, it looks to be LaserBeing) if the oracle scries Friday and can find some way of letting us know without allowing the vamps to turn them. It may be day 1, but we have a virtually unlimited amount of time to hammer people and see if someone slips up. It may be frustrating and I, myself, have been guilty of just wanting to get Day 1 over with. But this is not something we should rush. If Friday is say... Dracula or the Greater Werewolf... I am sure she can lead her team in the direction of victory.

I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both). 

I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.

I think we need to step back and reconsider the logic of lynching the players they admit are good because of a lack of participation on *day one.* This day one is fairly active, but it is still a day one. It is not uncommon for someone to use it as a data collection period before stepping into the game proper. You could argue that removing infamously strong players from the game removes the threat of a dangerous scum "supergroup" but mathematically at this moment it is much more likely, two thirds more likely if Bongo uses the traditional method of divvying up roles, for any one specific person to be innocent. The chance of losing strong allies for the town is much more likely right now and I can't very well abide it or self defeating logic of that sort.

Ardus.

We have no idea what LaserBeing's role is. Defen pointed out the math. There are pretty good chances that LaserBeing is an innocent.

What if LaserBeing is the oracle? If he were and says "Hey! Im the oracle! I scried <name> ON NIGHT 0 and he/she was <role>!". Boom... wolves know who the oracle is (next target much?), knows the results on the scry and the bads gain a lot more information than we do! I am betting that he isnt the oracle. He could easily be the PI or a vanilla.

If you want to use the math to suggest Friday's possibility of innocence, consider it for LaserBeing as well. Im not saying you shouldnt vote for him. Hell... after I reread the thread, I may vote for him as well as I've been feeling suspicious of him as well. My problem is that many of the votes seem to be mindless bandwagon votes. If you want to vote for someone... have a reason other than this:
For fuck's sake let's just kill LaserBeing.
. Voting for someone "just to move on" is stupid.

We are up to 7 (?) pages. There is a TON of data.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bleck on June 22, 2012, 01:14:29 PM
Voting for someone "just to move on" is stupid.

As opposed to letting day one last forever, as people bicker back and forth about whose posts are more suspicious?

We are up to 7 (?) pages. There is a TON of data.

Data that doesn't mean anything. If poster A agrees with poster B, and poster B is found to be a werewolf, we can start making hypotheses. If poster A agrees with poster B and... we don't have a fucking clue who or what anyone is, then uh what the fuck are we doing again?

I'd like to actually fucking play now. I'm pretty sure LaserBeing is going to be lynched, unless somebody proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, somehow, that they are a bad who needs lynching (and I'm not sure how or why anyone would do that on the first goddamn day), so would two of you kindly get the last two votes on him already?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 22, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
Hey, re: Dizzy:

Dizzy's got an odd reputation for Mafia on Talking Time. Mostly he shitposts, and this gets him a lot of lynches, not really unfairly. But the fact of the matter is that he's an extremely intelligent, perceptive dude who just works really hard at maintaining his enigmatic status and every now and then he gets a bee in his bonnet and posts some insightful, hard-hitting posts. It generally get him lynched, I guess since it's deviating from his normal forum-wide shitposting so he must be a baddie, but as the resident Cassandra, he's often right. So normally I wouldn't day one vote for him, because he can be a valuable asset for Team Notbatdog.

But see, yeah, he is not feeling Mafia. He dropped out of the current TT Mafia day one, and:

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[20:00:19] <gahitsu> you gonna drop out of bronto mafia, dizzy?
[20:00:24] <Nodal> spineshark: So. like, a bear
[20:00:24] <gahitsu> ahahaha spine
[20:00:25] <vorpal> [22:59:38]  <Dizzy> they're boring and tedious with no explicit nudity
[20:00:31] <vorpal> well, the nudity part could probably be fixed
[20:00:45] <spineshark> in wow, yeah
[20:00:48] <Dizzy> holy crap
[20:00:54] <Dizzy> i forgot about bronto mafia
[20:01:01] <gahitsu> ahahaha
[20:01:02] <spineshark> same thing happened to me!
[20:01:03] <Dizzy> yeah i'll just uh... post a vote and shimmy away there...
[20:01:06] <Nodal> Bears ARE pretty big
[20:01:11] <gahitsu> :
[20:01:13] <gahitsu> : /
[20:01:17] <Dizzy> i'm just in the game as an extra body anyways

This is June 19th #talkingtime if it actually matters.

And see, the problem with him not looking like he'll contribute much to this game is that he'd be dead weight to the town at best, and prime vampire lynch target at worst. We're going to have to eventually lynch him anyway, based on that, if he keeps this up. We've gathered plenty of evidence with this Laser push, so I think it's just time to cut the crap and lynch Dizzy already. I really want to point out here that I am not convinced he's any sort of Batdoger but if we're going to be shitlynching day one anyhow, might as well shitlynch the shitposter.

im doing you a favor bro you can thank me later <3
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 22, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
The problem with voting for someone who throws out a random or bullshit vote on day 1 is innocents tend to be the ones to throw those kind of votes out on day 1 because lol, day 1.

In fact, in my experience, it is usually the BADS that make sure their day 1 votes have "reasons" in order to avoid being dog-piled.

I'm not gonna defend Lee-Ham because I have no idea if he's bad or not. I'm also not gonna vote for him because I have no idea if he's bad or not.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 22, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
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Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.

Hmm. Upon rereading the thread, I see this.

Now, up until that point, I hadn't seen Lee-Ham do anything I considered suspicious, but coming out with a kneejerk vote for Dizzy after his joke weretiger post smells like vampire/wolf desperation to avoid the lynch.

Or it might not be. who knows. Day 1.

With nothing else to go on, I'm gonna drop the Laser vote.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Friday on June 22, 2012, 01:40:12 PM
in b4 someone quotes my above post and then this

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In fact, in my experience, it is usually the BADS that make sure their day 1 votes have "reasons" in order to avoid being dog-piled.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 22, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
It's not so much desperation as much as I've completely given up on getting anything at all out of Day 1 and I figured killing a player who didn't look like he actually wanted to play would at least save us from another situation where we spend the entire game waiting for them to say anything at all and end up lynching them on like Day 8 when it's even more counter-productive. If this is a legitimate play by Dizzy then I guess that's fine but I read it as "I'm bored now, please remove me from play".

That and he had the second-highest vote tally to me so... :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 03:03:27 PM
If dizzy isn't going to play then I request a modkill because wasting a day lynching someone who is probably innocent is a pretty big setback for the town especially if we're pretty sure there are more suspicious people to be lynched. For instance LaserBeing.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Dizzy on June 22, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
I will say that gahitsu's account of my general play style lacks history and is thus shortsighted and you would be wise to take her IRC quoting with grain of salt and what the fuck does it matter what I say in the IRC anyways?

I also want to take this time to apologize for spreading the rumor that Guild died from an aneurysm and for tricking members of the Talking Time community to head over to Brontoforumus and donate money for his funeral. I know you guys took that hard and my prank crossed the line. This was deeply unacceptable behavior.

I hope you can all forgive me. I think... in a way... you guys have forgiven me.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 03:12:48 PM
yes Dizzy I am also insane but what I want to know is are you actually going to play this game or are you trying to get lynched because if you're trying to get lynched you should tell us
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Dizzy on June 22, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Maybe getting lynched has its uses for the good guys. You never know.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
no. telling everyone you're the weretiger so that they will get distracted from suspicious folks and bandwagon you is not helpful. it would maybe be helpful mid-game with the wolves looking for the weretiger and the town population starting to dwindle a bit, but this is day 1 and we have actual suspects.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Dizzy on June 22, 2012, 03:22:42 PM
Man, I don't appreciate being treated like this. Really makes me feel bummed out.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 03:23:22 PM
guys forget dizzy if he's really the weretiger we're doing a disservice to ourselves by lynching him and he'll get eaten by a wolf. if he's not the weretiger he'll die early on by a wolf and nobody will learn anything from his death except whether or not he really was the weretiger and it will protect those of us who want to stay alive for a night. the vampires probably aren't going to turn him so yes we will have to lynch him later but right now functionally we should hit laserbeing
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 22, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
... man, NexAdruin, you are way too excited about your desperate attempt to accomplish nothing by dissuading everybody from voting for a dude who is in no immediate danger of getting lynched. Also, Dizzy didn't say anything about being a weretiger. Where did you get that idea?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Dizzy on June 22, 2012, 04:01:07 PM
Yeah, that's what I thinking. I feel concerned now about the people who aren't voting for me and drumming up fuss about me. If I may speculate for a bit, the people in the know already know what's up, so they want to stay away from me because they know how I'll turn up. However, they'll take this special opportunity to look good in the eyes of the innocents and make the people voting for me look like assholes.

NexAdruin has that kind of paranoia and deep involvement I would expect from someone part of a powered yet small-sized faction.

Like a vampire or a werewolf. Ow ow oooooooowwwww!

He/she is also trying to get me modkilled. Why not propose I get modreplaced? Clearly, s/he's looking to see a reduction in numbers here to even the odds.

Hmm. Hmm. I think I might post some more thoughts later on tonight once I peruse the thread.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 04:02:19 PM
I am the Weretiger.

This is where I got the idea that Dizzy said something about being the weretiger.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: NexAdruin on June 22, 2012, 04:03:55 PM
i am a male. i'm also not interested in seeing innocents die for fun but there are 2 people voting for you and their votes would be better served on laserbeing.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 22, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
Nickasummers: Okay, I understand what you mean by "bandwagoning" now, but yeah, I don't think it's a good Day 1 indicator of guilt or innocence.

Also, describing that as a wall of text to someone from TT Mafia is actually kind of hilarious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Nickasummers on June 22, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Laser was one of the first people on my list and he has never left it. The situation with dizzy is troubling and confusing to me, but at this point I think lynching him is the best option and is likely to tell us a lot. Laser.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 22, 2012, 04:44:36 PM
That's eight.

You string up LaserBeing in the town square. He was Frankenstein. What does that meeeeaaaan? Well, if you read the rules closely, you'll know. Starting Night 2, any living player or players may pay a total of 6 gold to resurrect LaserBeing; he could be alive again as early as Day 3.

It is now Night 1. I need night actions from those who have 'em, and bids from those who want to make 'em. You've got twenty-four hours (at minimum).
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 1
Post by: LaserBeing on June 22, 2012, 04:56:38 PM
Castlevania 1 - Frankenstein & Igor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAZ7Aayi9Z4#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 22, 2012, 04:58:31 PM
Edgar Winter Group - Frankenstein (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mV_5-bRPo#)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 1
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 24, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
Disposable Ninja has been forced by circumstances to drop out. I delayed the night phase so that he could finalize his decision of whether to do so. Stush has graciously agreed to replace him. In order to conceal whether or not he has a power or teammates or anything of the sort, I'm delaying the start of day 2 by one hour, during which time he'll get caught up.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 24, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
On the morning of Day 2, Nickasummers is found dead. It seems he was Death! He also had 10 golds and no items.

The state of the game:
Ardus
Bleck
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
Disposable Ninja: dropped out and replaced by Stush
Dizzy
dtsund
Envy
Friday
Friend
gahitsu
jsnlxndrlv
Kayma
LaserBeing: Frankenstein, may be resurrected starting Night 2
Lottel
McDohl
NexAdruin
Nickasummers: Death
Stush
Syl
Zaratustra

Today's Auction House items are:
Air Bud: when used, everybody goes to play basketball! The day ends immediately with no lynch.
Betting Token: when used, if 10 or more players are alive, then the user's vote counts triple! However, if a human is lynched, the user dies too!
Fog Machine: when used, all scries fail that night!

Everybody who's alive who's not the PI gains 2 more golds.

With 19 players alive, it takes 8 votes to hang 'em high. The time limit for today starts at 48 hours.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Stush on June 24, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
Hello, everyone! I was brought in to replace our poor departed friend Disposable Ninja, who was unfortunately killed by no act of vampire or werewolf, but fell out of a window into a truck full of marshmallows, Unfortunately, as marshmallows tend to do when improperly stored, they exploded, leveling the entire block. He died the way he lived, and he will be missed.

Remember, everyone, marshmallows are highly reactive. Practice proper marshmallow safety, and notify your local warden if you see any stray marshmallows wandering about, safety is everyone's job.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 24, 2012, 01:06:03 PM
lol is nicka always a fucking fangy
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Caithness on June 24, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
A new role has been added: Death. Analogous to the Devil, Death wins with the Vampires and has the powers of the Vigilante.

This is a bit unclear. The Devil doesn't know who his team mates are, and they don't know who he is, but he's supposed to use his seeing power to find them. If Death has a killing power instead of a seeing one, does he just start out knowing everyone on his team?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 24, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Death does not start knowing his teammates.

This game was intended as a way to test that version of the role, but I guess that's not going to happen. Maybe he'll be stronger in some way in a future game anyway, though.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Nickasummers on June 24, 2012, 01:56:24 PM
Man, killing death? Not cool guys.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friday on June 24, 2012, 01:58:36 PM
So, Lee was franky, and frank has to start off innocent.

What I'm saying is, we should probably bring him back at some point. Maybe a few more days in, so he doesn't just get turned because we all think he's inno.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 24, 2012, 03:19:09 PM
So, Lee was franky, and frank has to start off innocent.

What I'm saying is, we should probably bring him back at some point. Maybe a few more days in, so he doesn't just get turned because we all think he's inno.

How do we know he started innocent? I reread the rules, and he could have been Team Batdog far as I can tell. In fact, I figured that was part of the role.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 24, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
Frankenstein is a human role; it does not double up with any other roles, other than possibly the Weretiger, which can of course double with anything.

Maybe in a later game Frankenstein will be a doubling role, but for this game, Frankenstein can only be human on Day 1.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 24, 2012, 03:29:53 PM
Frankenstein is a major buff to baddies who get a hold of him and i think we should leave him in the ground. Does anyone have any information regarding who we should string up today.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 24, 2012, 03:34:12 PM
Oh, I stand corrected then. I still agree with Nex that he's probably best left in the ground.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 24, 2012, 03:57:37 PM
For those who may wish to attempt it anyway, it occurs to me that I may have made the rules for how to resurrect Frankenstein somewhat unclear. Everybody who wishes to bid for Frankenstein's resurrection has to have 6 gold allocated for that purpose; however, depending on how many people contribute, it might not be necessary to pay the full amount you bid.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friend on June 24, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
I feel like this is actually the best case scenario for the town in terms of utilizing Frankenstein. Since we lynched him day 1, we can know for sure he hasn't been turned. I suggest that we keep him dead as an emergency reserve. If the townies are ever in trouble we can bring him back to life to boost our numbers. Other than that, bringing him back to life prematurely risks compromising his innocent status. Also, the day after we bring him back to life we won't be able to trust him as a confirmed innocent
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Lottel on June 24, 2012, 04:01:55 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 24, 2012, 06:04:23 PM
random.org tell me to vote for Friday.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2qnmux3.gif)

Also I had a roleplay persona planned but it's been so long I just don't care anymore.

Why were you so reluctant to vote for Friday? Is it because we waited so long for her to join and it would feel like a waste to just lynch her on the first day? I can sort of understand that, but it's not really optimal play. The fact that we waited for her has no affect on her probability of being a badguy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Classic on June 24, 2012, 06:13:53 PM
That's why I didn't vote for Friday. even though she had the gall to catch herself using reasoning on day one as though that excused her.
Urgh. Need a hangover-cure-pint.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Kayma on June 24, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
OK, so, what have we learned today? Since there was only one death, either there was a turn or a failed turn last night. Right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 24, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
why would there be a failed turn
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Caithness on June 24, 2012, 07:17:14 PM
If Dracula tries to turn a wolf, neither of them die, but they both know each other.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Classic on June 24, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
If Dracula tries to turn a wolf, neither of them die, but they both know each other.
This could still be the headache talking, but what exactly keeps the bads from teaming up?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 24, 2012, 07:58:11 PM
I guess I'll chime in.

Im still suspicious of Friday. If, after all this discussion, she still wants to revive Frankenstein... I think I will have a lot more reason to be suspicious.

We should definitely leave Franken underground. If he comes back from the grave, I assume we will all be notified. If he comes back before we need him as a town, we will automatically know he is bad and should lynch him immediately.

If Dracula tries to turn a wolf, neither of them die, but they both know each other.
This could still be the headache talking, but what exactly keeps the bads from teaming up?
If im not mistaken, only one team can win? One small bit of deception or "forgotten" information and suddenly, you screw over the people who helped you win 5 minutes ago. I assume they 'can' team up, but I think itd be too risky.

I dont think there was a failed turn. I think the wolves killed Nick (death) and the vamps either scried or turned the person they scried on night 0. Most of the fanged-ones dont have enough guts to blind turn for the first couple of nights, at least based on past games.

Whatever... ill type more later. Im pretty tired from today.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Syl on June 24, 2012, 09:51:48 PM
I can't help but feel that we're playing a game of castlevania and the Belmonts are winning.  :whoops:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 24, 2012, 10:02:20 PM
I'm going to agree on the current assessment of Frankenstein. There could be several uses for reviving him late game, but nothing now. He's as good as being scum already if we dig him out anytime soon. But I'm preaching to the choir apparently.

As for lynch potential for today... there was a lot of stupid that happened Day 1. Newbie's dumb spreadsheet thing, Nickasummer's politicking, and Ardus wanting to lynch good players because they are good. And to me at least, Nickasummers being Death doesn't reveal much either. It's unlikely that he could have been found on the Vamp's night 0 scry, so his list of suspicions can't be dissected because he was probably just as in the dark as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 24, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
You may be interested to know some facts! These should all be true, although the limits of human ability are such that a mistake is always possible.

The following individuals haven't been voted for in this game:
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
Friend
NexAdruin
Syl

Did you know that McDohl has only posted once? It's true! Only once!

Meanwhile, it looks to me like NexAdruin has the most posts in the game: 20. He actually passed Nickasummers in total posts before we even reached the night phase!

Today. I am going to start by voting for dtsund, for the (only seemingly) arbitrary reason that nobody else was the first person to cast the third vote on a player. (Arguably, the second or third person to do this should be more suspicious, but I forgot to keep tracking that for the handful of people who got more than two votes, and I don't want to reread the thread again until after work tomorrow.)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 24, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
Oh, also I was going to point out that Friday's gimmick this game is that she always posts consecutively, but it looks like that's no longer the case.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: gahitsu on June 24, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
random.org tell me to vote for Friday.

[NOPE]

Also I had a roleplay persona planned but it's been so long I just don't care anymore.

Why were you so reluctant to vote for Friday? Is it because we waited so long for her to join and it would feel like a waste to just lynch her on the first day? I can sort of understand that, but it's not really optimal play. The fact that we waited for her has no affect on her probability of being a badguy.

The fact that a random number generator fingered her doesn't really have any effect on her probability of being a bad guy, either.

Hey Friend, I'm curious as to what your magic Microsoft Office Eightball is telling you to do today.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friend on June 24, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
Wait did you mean me or were you referring to Caithness, who you were quoting

because the eightball reference would make more sense thematically with the random number generator

but you did capitalize Friend so it seems likely you were referring to me

but if I responded to you and you weren't referring to me I would feel dumb

If you're talking to me though, I got nothing.

Also, this is only targeted to jsnlxndrlv: Did you drop your system? because now it seems like you're explaining your thought processes on everything.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 24, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
You know, I'm sorry. I was specifically talking to you (Friend), but I was thinking of Newbie/dsfkhsdfjhsf. I was thinking of avatars when I was typing that (white with some blob on it), and just got the two of you mixed. My bad!

So anyhow. Newbie/dsfkhsdfjhsf, what's your magic Microsoft Office Eightball say?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 24, 2012, 11:54:07 PM
i see bitches lurkin
they hatin
i patrollin tryin to catch em typin dirty

(but i cant cuz da bitches be lurkin)

lurkin dirty
lurkin dirty
lurkin dirty
lurkin dirty
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friday on June 25, 2012, 12:34:12 AM
I agree with keeping Lee-Ham in reserve for emergency humans.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Caithness on June 25, 2012, 03:23:40 AM
You know, I'm sorry. I was specifically talking to you (Friend), but I was thinking of Newbie/dsfkhsdfjhsf. I was thinking of avatars when I was typing that (white with some blob on it), and just got the two of you mixed. My bad!

So anyhow. Newbie/dsfkhsdfjhsf, what's your magic Microsoft Office Eightball say?

If you looked 2 posts above where you first asked the question, you'd see the answer.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bleck on June 25, 2012, 03:35:14 AM
gahitsu strikes me as nervous.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 25, 2012, 04:04:49 AM
I voted dtsund, but forgot to post it in the poll as well. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: dtsund on June 25, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
I'm gonna vote for the next person to use a random number generator to decide their vote

Don't piss off the Random Number God!  He'll just make tomorrow's items the Fog Machine, Cloak of Invisibility, and Air Bud.

GOG DAMMIT I TOLD YOU ALL

Anyway, given that one of the biggest opponents of the whole random-vote-to-end-Day-1 thing turned out guilty, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Ardus, who was also against it.  I'm wondering if a lot of that was just attempts to sound like the voice of reason, when there really was no reason to be had.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: dtsund on June 25, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
I might switch to zaratustra to curry favor with the Random Number God, but I'm disinclined toward that at the moment.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Stush on June 25, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
I'm voting for Gahitsu Because I am about to go have a nap and now that darn song is stuck in my head.

Also because I honestly have no data at all to go off of yet and if I don't vote, i'll get fined like a hundred and fifty bucks. [Being australian and all]
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Caithness on June 25, 2012, 12:07:11 PM
And I'll vote for gahitsu because the idea that she might be on a team with Friday is really all I have to go on right now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Zaratustra on June 25, 2012, 01:03:10 PM
I have a lot of suspicions right now. So many suspicions. So let's start with uh NexAdruin for being second in line to send poor LaserBeing to his doom.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 25, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Why I was against it was almost entirely because so many of you were being stupid about the voting. Rolling a die or asking a random number gen is not a good way to figure out who to vote for. But thats fine. I dont mind the attention.

Im still voting Friday. Sorry... but you are STILL the most suspicious on my list.

Idr if this has been said... but keep in mind that the chances that Nick knew who his teamies were is low to say the least. I would not take his voting and suspicions as evidence for who is and who isnt a baddie.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 25, 2012, 02:56:27 PM
I'm not sure why you're still on a crusade for Friday. Is it a gut feeling? Because I don't see anything quantifiable. If you find Friday's behavior so odd, how do you feel about Newbie's spreadsheet, Ardus?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 25, 2012, 03:10:06 PM
Idr if this has been said... but keep in mind that the chances that Nick knew who his teamies were is low to say the least. I would not take his voting and suspicions as evidence for who is and who isnt a baddie.

I understand why you're saying this but I disagree. Although he didn't know who his teammates were, he knew to direct votes away from the people he thought were suspicious instead of toward them.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Envy on June 25, 2012, 04:59:47 PM
You guys voting for Gahitsu based on a song is odd, do you have any other reasons for such?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 25, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
I'm just placing a vote on Ardus now. If he can explain his irrational behavior, I'll be happy to remove it. In the meantime, maybe a bit of pressure will make him pay attention.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Caithness on June 25, 2012, 05:13:44 PM
You guys voting for Gahitsu based on a song is odd, do you have any other reasons for such?

Only one person said he was voting for her because of the song.

Or was that a figure of speech? In which case, no, I don't have any further reasons behind my vote. I'll happily change it if I find something more convincing.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 25, 2012, 05:35:25 PM
okay whatever Ardus let's go
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Kayma on June 25, 2012, 07:27:20 PM
I don't think that poll is anywhere nearing accurate. Any chance for an official count of votes?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 25, 2012, 07:37:48 PM
Because it's soooooo hard to flip back a page right
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Kayma on June 25, 2012, 07:39:57 PM
lol ur right easier to just defenestration
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Lottel on June 25, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
That's an awful quick turn around there, Nex. Especially since the vote before it was just to pressure Ardus to talk.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 25, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
it takes more than one vote to make someone talk Lottel. also i don't know about turn around. I've always thought ardus was a little suspicious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Syl on June 25, 2012, 08:20:59 PM
Not only are things not being said, nothing is amounting to anything.  There are far too many quiet people.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 25, 2012, 08:23:23 PM
Funny you should mention that, as I was literally just in the process of typing this out:

Syl, you trouble me. Generally low post-count, greater-than-average vote-to-post ratio; you're either sufficiently low-key or sufficiently connected to have never yet been voted for, so far as I can see, and you're also someone I cannot recall playing with before. I don't know your mannerisms, Syl, and so I have no basis for comparison to determine whether this is particularly canny play brought on by an especially juicy role, or whether you just really like lurking in the background. So here's a vote to poke you into activity. Say something.

...but now that you have, let me ask you this: who shouldn't we vote for? Give me an idea of your thought process so far.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friend on June 25, 2012, 08:26:54 PM
I am also in favor of killing the quiet people
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Envy on June 25, 2012, 08:29:06 PM
Killing quiet people is generally how you don't get information, because if they are quiet then they are hiding something. Put the pressure on them and see if they crack and leak some intel. If they go for a immediate vote, press them further for more information on why they are being so quick to the gun.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Syl on June 25, 2012, 08:46:59 PM
I'm from another forum that Bongo Bill frequents.  He invited me to this forum for the last werewolf game.  I'd say that something like 90% of my total posts on this forum are between that last werewolf game and this one. 

If you want to see my role in that last game, you can check the thread.  Short version is that I was a wolf and I survived relatively long, until the same misfortune struck me that seemed to strike every special role last game.  Vamps and Werewolves killed eachoher off accidentally.  It was amusing.

Honestly the majority of my low post count is because the game started during a period of summer where I simply haven't been able to be online that much.  Entirely non-game related.  I also have a bad habit of posting when drunk, as i am now.

So far.  I don't have a bloody fucking clue who to vote for.  I voted for Friday on day one because the name put that godawful song into my head. 

I'm currently tempted to vote for Caithness based almost purely upon the fact that his(her?) current avatar is freaking me out. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 25, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Killing quiet people is generally how you don't get information, because if they are quiet then they are hiding something. Put the pressure on them and see if they crack and leak some intel. If they go for a immediate vote, press them further for more information on why they are being so quick to the gun.

As opposed to what, *not* pressuring them? Putting votes to lynch people as if we were prepping to kill them is the primary form of pressure in these games Envy, Christ.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bleck on June 25, 2012, 10:39:10 PM
It's also almost wholly ineffective.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Classic on June 25, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
I've been decanting a couple of ideas in my head, but they're all seeming like soured vinegar.
For a little while it seemed like Nex was overanxious to keep the day moving, but it could just be that he's always super-suspicious of Ardus's horrible fuzzy avatar.
Back to beers then.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 25, 2012, 11:05:37 PM
I  have already explained my crusade against Friday. Try reading the thread sometime. To make it a little easier... It is a combination of gut feeling and viewing of what feels strongly like suspicious player from someone who knows the game well. If she were info gathering, I suspect she would be trying to press for it, not sitting back and talking without actually saying anything important during Day 1. Day 2, she immediately says "lets revive Frankenstein!", in what I view as an attempt to persuade the innos to spend their gold to rev him. Too many of us instantly realized what a bad idea that was (for now, at least) that there is no way she didnt realize it unless she didnt read his role or think about it at all.

Also, I have already told you my role, if anyone was paying attention. Another reason to read the thread? I figured it would give the innos a nice little hint as I was fairly sure the bads wouldnt give a crap about converting or killing me early if they even remembered my role was active.

If you think I should vote for others, give me a reason other than something like this...
I'm voting for Gahitsu Because I am about to go have a nap and now that darn song is stuck in my head.
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way.

Also -- @Nex... that was a really fast turn onto me. Is the blood lust of your wolfy side hard to control? No matter. I have a feeling you are bad, too. Unfortunately, you havent acted that suspiciously in your posts so all I have to go on is gut feeling and guesses based on what I know about you.

@Defen -- I have a feeling newbies spreadsheet is a bluff or has been thrown out already. Frankly, there are a great number of factors that go into human behavior. Even if he is still using it, he is probably getting a bunch of false positives on bads. Also... I doubt he will notice when someone's behavior changes slightly due to a turn. --- Side note: I find it fairly odd that you posted your vote on me 2 hours after your previous post with only Envy's comment about the song and Nex quoting me. I dont find it suspicious as I could see myself doing the same in your position, especially if i wanted to pressure for more info.

Idr if this has been said... but keep in mind that the chances that Nick knew who his teamies were is low to say the least. I would not take his voting and suspicions as evidence for who is and who isnt a baddie.
I didnt think of this originally, but you are right.


I understand why you're saying this but I disagree. Although he didn't know who his teammates were, he knew to direct votes away from the people he thought were suspicious instead of toward them.

Seriously though... Please... please stop voting without a reason. Voting to put pressure on someone is cool. Voting because of a song in your head or contemplating voting for someone purely based on their avatar, signature, or name is frustrating and stupid.
--- Hey! I should vote for Kayma as he is the only player whose name starts with a K in this match. Im sure thats a good, well informed choice... right??? :/

@Classic - My avatar is a bobcat as that is my fursona. They are pretty neat animals.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 25, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
Sorry for the uber long post. Seeing as Ive been super tired and busy the last 2 days, Ive kinda had a limited time to check bronto. Construction work in our basement, university crap, dealing with social security card, etc. etc.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 25, 2012, 11:28:36 PM
Something I forgot to address

Vote Tally (think I got 'em all. Feel free to double check):
Name - Votes for (who 1, who 2...)

Ardus - 4 (Dstund, Defen, Nex, Classic)
gahitsu - 3 (Bleck, Stush, Caith)
NexAdruin - 2 (Zara, Lottel)
Defenestration - 1 (Kayma)
Friday 1 (Ardus)
Syl - 1 (Newbie)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 26, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Goddamn, this is frustrating. In TT Mafia we'd have 50 pages of text bombs to comb through by now.

I was thinking about how irritating that Dizzy seemed like he'd be participating in playing this game again but hasn't said anything at all today and then I found

Quote
no. telling everyone you're the weretiger so that they will get distracted from suspicious folks and bandwagon you is not helpful. it would maybe be helpful mid-game with the wolves looking for the weretiger and the town population starting to dwindle a bit, but this is day 1 and we have actual suspects.

from Nex in response to Dizzy claiming Weretigger, and since I don't see how anyone joking about being the 'tigger would be a good idea at any point in the game, and with lots of people putting bullshit votes without anything behind it - too many to vote for, in fact - I'll just cast my stone along with the rest for NexAdruin.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Stush on June 26, 2012, 01:38:45 AM
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way. 

I don't have any reason to vote for anyone! If it was a choice, i'd just vote for nobody until I had some kind of idea for who to vote for.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 26, 2012, 03:42:12 AM
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way.

Just because someone says that they vote for someone for a certain reason doesn't mean they're actually voting for that person for that reason. Plus, this is Envy you're talking about. Whatever his reputation elsewhere, in werewolf around these parts it is generally understood that Envy is a dangerous and powerful player. His seemingly innocuous facade hides a ruthless talent for this game, and he's won the game seemingly out of nowhere on more than one occasion. So we listen to Envy, and we watch Envy, but neither do we believe Envy or let him get too far out of our sight, lest he stab us in the back again.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friend on June 26, 2012, 04:59:54 AM
Newbie, why are you so eager to defend Envy, especially considering Ardus was quoting Stush? Rushing to protect your teammate like Nickasummers, perhaps?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 05:07:15 AM
Goddamn, this is frustrating. In TT Mafia we'd have 50 pages of text bombs to comb through by now.

I was thinking about how irritating that Dizzy seemed like he'd be participating in playing this game again but hasn't said anything at all today and then I found

Quote
no. telling everyone you're the weretiger so that they will get distracted from suspicious folks and bandwagon you is not helpful. it would maybe be helpful mid-game with the wolves looking for the weretiger and the town population starting to dwindle a bit, but this is day 1 and we have actual suspects.

from Nex in response to Dizzy claiming Weretigger, and since I don't see how anyone joking about being the 'tigger would be a good idea at any point in the game, and with lots of people putting bullshit votes without anything behind it - too many to vote for, in fact - I'll just cast my stone along with the rest for NexAdruin.

you just voted for me because I told someone that joking to be the weretiger was bad in this situation and you agreed with that assessment but then you went on to say that trying to trick bads was bad. Then you jumped on as the 3rd in a line of 2 and said you were "casting your stone along with the rest."

there were, in fact, more votes for you at the time than there were for me. It's kind of like you're trying too hard to seem like an innocent sheep going with a herd that doesn't actually exist.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friend on June 26, 2012, 05:16:37 AM
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way. 

I don't have any reason to vote for anyone! If it was a choice, i'd just vote for nobody until I had some kind of idea for who to vote for.

Now this is just crazy talk. Assuming there was a vote to lynch no one, every day we chose that option would be another night of kills and turns. Besides a select few situations, the no lynch isn't very useful. The fact that you're in favor of a no lynch makes you very suspicious.

also, defenestration, didn't you say you'd vote for anyone who advocated for a no lynch option?

also also, it seems everyone has forgotten about Mcdohl, who's only posted like one time.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Syl on June 26, 2012, 05:18:57 AM
Who is McDohl and why are they not saying anything?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 26, 2012, 07:06:15 AM
Current vote tallies:
Ardus: 3
gahitsu: 3
NexAdruin: 3
Defenestration: 1
Friday: 1
jsnlxndrlv: 1
McDohl: 1
Syl: 1

Day 2 will end in a few hours, unless somebody wishes to use their Hammertime to extend it by 24 hours. If nobody reaches 8 votes, then I'll choose whoever has the most votes at that time, and ties will be broken by random number.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Stush on June 26, 2012, 07:40:50 AM
Now this is just crazy talk. Assuming there was a vote to lynch no one, every day we chose that option would be another night of kills and turns. Besides a select few situations, the no lynch isn't very useful. The fact that you're in favor of a no lynch makes you very suspicious.

I think it's pretty suspicious that you think it's suspicious that I'd rather avoid lynching people if I could!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friend on June 26, 2012, 07:50:13 AM
Well it's nice that you don't want to lynch others, but we're not going to win with that attitude.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Stush on June 26, 2012, 07:54:10 AM
Yeah, i'm just saying, it's too early for me to have any decent idea of who to vote for, the best I can hope for is random luck.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on June 26, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
So is the theme of this game going to be that we've all got a team of mathematicians drumming up equations to point us in the right direction or what.

If you're suspicious of someone, call them the fuck out. Don't say "I'm suspicious of 5 people right now because of these factors I'm not telling anyone about." Not telling the town who is suspicious and why isn't a good way to help the town.

okay whatever Ardus let's go

Okay, gahitsu helped me notice something suspicious here. In the first post you rag on Newbie for not providing reasoning behind his votes, and in the second you don't provide a reason for your vote. Then I went back and read all of your posts in the thread so far, and they paint a picture of someone trying too hard to mask his villainy.

So I'm moving my vote of of her and onto you, NexAdruin.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bleck on June 26, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
Moving a vote onto NexAdruin for doing something that every other poster has done is a lot of things, and "suspicious" is one of them.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Caithness on June 26, 2012, 11:36:21 AM
Every other player has hypocritically done something they told Newbie not to do?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 26, 2012, 11:54:13 AM
I think it's pretty suspicious that you think it's suspicious that I'd rather avoid lynching people if I could!
No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.

Keep spouting that sort of empty minded drivel and you'll be the one hanging at the gallows.

Anyway, that stupidity aside I have my eyes on Envy, NexAdruin, Newbie, and Ardus. Dizzy made me very uneasy during day one. I wish he posted today, but I don't know if I actually suspect him of anything yet. Ardus did explain his logic, so I'll drop my vote like I said I would and go with NexAdruin. He actually contacted me privately earlier this day and offered and claimed nothing and begged for something in return. Caitness's observation also rings true. Let's string 'im up!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Defenestration on June 26, 2012, 12:05:02 PM
Just because someone says that they vote for someone for a certain reason doesn't mean they're actually voting for that person for that reason. Plus, this is Envy you're talking about. Whatever his reputation elsewhere, in werewolf around these parts it is generally understood that Envy is a dangerous and powerful player. His seemingly innocuous facade hides a ruthless talent for this game, and he's won the game seemingly out of nowhere on more than one occasion. So we listen to Envy, and we watch Envy, but neither do we believe Envy or let him get too far out of our sight, lest he stab us in the back again.

I just caught this. Envy isn't some fucking mafia mastermind. The win you refer to in VvW8 was completely bumbling at best. He admitted to stealing the pollbox and interceptor from Lyrai as random chance and not his intention because he thought he would have the ability to *steal her night power.* Which would not have won him the game either since he would have been dead the next day phase. In VvW9 his first purchase was Interceptor no doubt only because it won him the last game, discounting the fact that it is *literally useless* for the Weretiger. What is your game exactly, talking up Envy for literally no reason? He wasn't the topic of conversation, so why would you bring him up? If he was on your team you would not try to be selling him as a legitimate threat, but doing the opposite. The hell are you on about?

What I WILL give you is that I also think he is up to something. Envy hasn't stated a single useful or sensible thing and his posting level is a bit below average. Not that I expect much, but come on Envy, speak up. Let's hear it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power. Also, when I was calling out Newbie I wasn't calling him out for random voting. I was calling him out for voting and saying "I have reasons but they're too secret to share so just trust me on this." Just seems suspicious to me. I don't care if people use dice or whatever to pick a vote, because it's just a vote and they can be changed. I care when people act like there's a reason for their vote but they won't say why. Just rubs me the wrong way.

My vote on Ardus was made in haste because I wanted to get the day rolling and I think Ardus has been suspicious. I'm also suspicious of Envy, who is really quiet compared to his usual self and I think that might be a tell. I left my vote on Ardus for a day(ish) because I didn't want to flop my vote around all willy nilly and seem desperate for a lynch.

If it isn't too late I'd like to use my hammertime right now but in 3 more votes i'm dead anyway and the day is over so whatevs.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 01:26:39 PM
Also it is true that I contacted Defenestration privately because he seemed innocent and I was hoping to make some contacts and feel out information. Again, I wanted to be a power player even though I didn't have any powers. I contacted some other people too but if they feel the need to disclose that information I'll let them do it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 01:45:23 PM
Also Stush I don't know if you're innocent or not but my first game here I tried to play "innocent until proven guilty" and mostly I was doing that because I was a bad and I was trying not to lynch bads. In real life you probably don't want to kill off random people and hope you hit the right one with some accuracy but when you have a long list of suspects you have to start eliminating choices and in Mafia/werewolf lynching people is one of the ways to do it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 26, 2012, 03:01:11 PM
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power.
>Hoping to be power player
>Has no power
What?

I'm also suspicious of Envy, who is really quiet compared to his usual self and I think that might be a tell.
Envy is always quiet. He gets lynched or gets a LOT of votes during day 1 due to lack of posting.

If it isn't too late I'd like to use my hammertime right now but in 3 more votes i'm dead anyway and the day is over so whatevs.
The last 3 votes havent come yet. I was up to 4 for a time and havent been lynched yet. At 6 or 7, the wolves/vamps could hammer the vote and kill you off without drawing much attention. I am going to wait and decide If I want to vote for you later tonight.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 26, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
If it isn't too late I'd like to use my hammertime right now but in 3 more votes i'm dead anyway and the day is over so whatevs.
The time limit has been extended by 24 hours. If, however, any player reaches the requisite number of votes (8) before that time, the day will still end.

Current vote tally:
NexAdruin: 5
gahitsu: 2
Ardus: 1
Defenestration: 1
Envy: 1
Friday: 1
jsnlxndrlv: 1
McDohl: 1
Syl: 1
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: gahitsu on June 26, 2012, 04:28:30 PM
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power.
>Hoping to be power player
>Has no power
What?

I think he means he wanted to be a significant force in Mafia, sledgehammering the other teams, but wasn't given the power role means to do so.

Quiet ass motherfuckers better get in here soon.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Envy on June 26, 2012, 04:38:48 PM
Newbie isn't so much defending me as pointing out my usual game strategy, which is no strategy whatsoever. In before "lol that's suspicious."
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friday on June 26, 2012, 04:55:04 PM
Day 2 isn't much better than Day 1 in terms of being able to shoot anywhere that isn't the dark. NexAdruin may or may not be innocent, but at this point I think his death will give us the most information, since quite a few people have been both pushing for and pushing against his lynch.

Ardus is suspicious of me because I wanted to res Lee-Ham, because I asked Bongo directly via IRC if Frankenstein was an overlapping role or had to be innocent. After he answered that he had to be innocent, I suggested we res him after a few more days had passed, not immediately. Ardus is framing it like I wanted to res him immediately, which is either

1. Deliberate misinformation
2. hyberbole

I don't know Ardus very well, so it's hard for me to read him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Friday on June 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Also, I should say that Nex directly contacted me via IRC and asked if I was inno. He was the only person to do so so far. Grilling someone one on one like that IS something I have done as an innocent, but as he was sort of defending my lack of posting day 1, it seemed a bit... odd.

Also, the reason I double or even triple post in wolf games a lot is because I can't edit my posts in wolf games (that being against the rules, natch) and I almost always think of more shit to say after a post.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power.
>Hoping to be power player
>Has no power
What?

I think he means he wanted to be a significant force in Mafia, sledgehammering the other teams, but wasn't given the power role means to do so.


This is exactly what I mean.

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Quiet ass motherfuckers better get in here soon.

Why? so they can hammer me in? lol. Any information we're going to get has already been revealed.

at this point I think his death will give us the most information, since quite a few people have been both pushing for and pushing against his lynch.

This argument saddens me mostly because I can't counter it. My death would reveal a lot even though I don't want to die. Is there any other way for me to prove my innocence? Someone could PI me maybe or something?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Syl on June 26, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
Allowing someone to PI you or check you would probably be a waste. It would also allow your input into whatever night action you may or may not be able to do.

What's a good reason I shouldn't change my vote to you Nex? I'm pretty ready for this day to end and I feel you have a 66% chance of having a power at the moment. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 05:36:42 PM
Allowing someone to PI you or check you would probably be a waste. It would also allow your input into whatever night action you may or may not be able to do.

If I had a specific night action and a group with which to make it my plans with them would already be laid out extensively. Kayma, Classic, Envy, McDohl, and Friday should all be able to corroborate that as my MO from VvW.. 8? 9? The first one I was in where I was a public wolf. All I was going to do tonight was try to get Air Bud so that it didn't get used to give the bads 2 consecutive nights.

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What's a good reason I shouldn't change my vote to you Nex? I'm pretty ready for this day to end and I feel you have a 66% chance of having a power at the moment. 

I don't have a power and wanting the day to "just end" is kind of shitty but I guess I understand the attitude? Friday pointed out that my death would yield the most immediate information which is true I guess and I suppose as a vanilla innocent it's my role to be cannon fodder for a mislynch so that it isn't a seer or something. I just really wanted to last longer than day 2.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 05:45:07 PM
So I guess if you guys are going to lynch me that's okay but please use the information gathered correctly and go after the guys pushing for my death. I am still kind of suspicious of Friday and right now I don't like Defenestration or Caithness. Just don't wake up tomorrow with total memory loss and think that none of this mattered.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Dizzy on June 26, 2012, 06:36:58 PM
Voting for NexAdruin!

Die you son of a bitch! Die!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: NexAdruin on June 26, 2012, 06:38:14 PM
Well there's no need for namecalling.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Ardus on June 26, 2012, 06:54:41 PM
NexAdruin may or may not be innocent, but at this point I think his death will give us the most information...
Id have to agree.

Sorry, Nex. I dont think you are bad, but I'd rather be sure than have you murder me in the night.

Ardus is suspicious of me because I wanted to res Lee-Ham ...
I removed the rest because frankly, you are not quite correct. Read day 1 again. I was suspicious of you BEFORE Night 1. Your posts afterward just reaffirmed my beliefs. I cant tell if you are trying to twist my words, just arent attentive, or if its an honest mistake.

I don't know Ardus very well, so it's hard for me to read him.
With luck, we will get to play together again.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 26, 2012, 06:59:54 PM
You kill NexAdruin. He was a plain old human with nothing special about him, not even so much as a lousy item.

Night 2 begins. Y'all got at least 24 hours to get me your actions.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 2
Post by: Stush on June 26, 2012, 10:48:18 PM
We're getting pretty good at this lynching thing! If we keep killing the innocents at least it'll be easier to hit the werewolves and vampires later on!

*Golf clap*
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 2
Post by: Ardus on June 27, 2012, 08:07:22 AM
Perhaps the wolves will kill another bad for us! It seems like a fair trade.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 2
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 27, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Due to a combination of factors, it has become evident that 24-hour nights will not be feasible. I do appreciate those of you who got your night actions in early, but it'll be another day probably.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 28, 2012, 07:58:39 AM
At the dawn of Day 3, you find Ardus dead. He was the gravedigger, and a human, and had no items.

Today's Auction House items are:

The Cloak of Invisibility: to every scrier except the PI, the owner of this item appears to be a powerless human!
The Almost Undetectable Poison: the user of this item may kill one person at night, but only if they voted for that person (even if they subsequently rescinded the vote) during the previous day! The cause of death will be revealed as poison.
The Money Tree: the owner of this item gains an additional 3 gold every day.

With 17 players alive it still takes 8 votes to kill:
Ardus: Human Gravedigger
Bleck
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
Dizzy
dtsund
Envy
Friday
Friend
gahitsu
jsnlxndrlv
Kayma
LaserBeing: Frankenstein, may be resurrected starting Night 2
Lottel
McDohl
NexAdruin: vanilla innocent
Nickasummers: Death
Stush
Syl
Zaratustra
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 28, 2012, 09:29:08 AM
Will somebody just put me out of my misery?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 28, 2012, 09:30:44 AM
We're getting pretty good at this lynching thing! If we keep killing the innocents at least it'll be easier to hit the werewolves and vampires later on!

*Golf clap*

If you're going to keep making this soft minded statement, you're going to have to refute the logic me and Friend have already presented. Depending on your next reply, I'm going to start voting with you. Ruthlessness is required for an innocent victory, voting for no one until we can be one hundred percent sure they are a wolf means we've might as well have lost already.

I also would like to hear from McDohl, Lottel, and Dizzy, all who have been dangerously silent.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 28, 2012, 09:30:56 AM
Will somebody just put me out of my misery?
What?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:50 AM
Just kill me. Just fucking kill me.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 28, 2012, 09:37:23 AM
So you're tired of playing or...?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 28, 2012, 09:46:12 AM
No, I want you guys to win. Because I am the Weretiger.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 09:46:28 AM
Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.

I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 28, 2012, 09:50:07 AM
I'm not sure whether I actually want to vote for Dizzy or not. My radar is apparently off this game, since I was *so* sure about Nex being scum. If Dizzy is being honest about being the weretiger, then he needs to die at some point. However if he's just trying to get out of the game like the earlier chat log pasted by gahitsu I think? implies, then he's probably just a vanilla inno.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
If he wanted to get out of the game, he could just quit, people have already done it. Maybe he's trying to be so obvious that we just brush it aside.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Classic on June 28, 2012, 10:16:29 AM
That's pretty mad.
My current theory is that he's some kind of secret fool role. Unless Dizzy has a history of being a horrendous whiner that I've forgotten about. Anyway, it's time for my constitutional, these malty calories aren't going to burn themselves.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Caithness on June 28, 2012, 10:46:44 AM
If Defenestration doesn't want to be the first person to cast a vote for Stush, then I'll do it for him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 11:05:29 AM
Voting for me would be pretty silly! Unless you're not on our side, of course!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 28, 2012, 11:15:45 AM
I will kill anybody who tells me that they don't want to play any more, or who goes a full day and night without interacting with the game (including privately). All players are expected to try to win; if you don't want to win, then say so and I will kill you. Anybody I kill in this way will lose, regardless of their stated victory condition.

There are no secret roles.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Caithness on June 28, 2012, 11:21:39 AM
Voting for me would be pretty silly! Unless you're not on our side, of course!

Ah, but whose side is "our side"?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 28, 2012, 11:47:26 AM
Today, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Zaratustra on June 28, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
I'm reviewing Dizzy's posts and it seems he's asking to be lynched, then accusing everyone that votes for him to be lynched of being EBIL.

Very well. I call your bluff. Dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 12:23:42 PM
I will kill anybody who tells me that they don't want to play any more, or who goes a full day and night without interacting with the game (including privately). All players are expected to try to win; if you don't want to win, then say so and I will kill you. Anybody I kill in this way will lose, regardless of their stated victory condition.

There are no secret roles.

Bongo isn't talking about in the game here, he will hunt you down and kill you in real life, and wear your head as a hat.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 12:28:08 PM
I sort of want to vote for dizzy, because I can't really see any reason why someone would deliberately want to get themselves lynched. Is there any way that can be used as part of some kind of evil plan?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 28, 2012, 12:36:36 PM
If Defenestration doesn't want to be the first person to cast a vote for Stush, then I'll do it for him.

I was waiting for his reply to explain his inevitably shitty logic as a gesture of goodwill. Since he just out and ignored me, I will definately vote for Stush.

At the same time, I think Dizzy needs to die upon further reflection as well. If he's the weretiger, he needs to be dead. If he's a vanilla inno, he's an obvious turn target now if we leave him be and thus also needs to die if he refuses to participate. However, Stush's wolfy logic takes precedence imo.

We still need to hear from McDohl and Lottel as well.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Kayma on June 28, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
This Dizzy thing is absurd. I will never knowingly vote for him. Enjoy your long life, Dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: gahitsu on June 28, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
I'm super fucking irritated with Dizzy right now. And last night I was all ready to come out swinging on Stush for being an unbearable twit.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: gahitsu on June 28, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
Hey where the fuck has Dohl been? I know he mentioned work but you'd think he'd at least step in to make some counter weretiger claims or something.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 28, 2012, 01:45:47 PM
This Dizzy thing is absurd. I will never knowingly vote for him. Enjoy your long life, Dizzy.

I shall! =D
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bleck on June 28, 2012, 02:06:19 PM
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Envy on June 28, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
Stush is being Crazy, but so is Defenestration.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
If Defenestration doesn't want to be the first person to cast a vote for Stush, then I'll do it for him.

I was waiting for his reply to explain his inevitably shitty logic as a gesture of goodwill. Since he just out and ignored me, I will definately vote for Stush.


Firstly,  I didn't ignore you, I replied soon after.

Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.

I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.

So either you totally missed that, or you're deliberately making stuff up to try make me seem more suspicious.

Secondly, what logic was there to explain? I just don't like lynching innocent people, I'm sorry if I was supposed to just be all "Hell yeah, let's lynch all of the innocents!", But that's not really my style.

I get the impression that you're trying to rile people up to go after me, so I'm going to have to vote for you, Defenestration
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 28, 2012, 03:55:39 PM
Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.

I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.
No, I saw this Stush. You didn't explain anything, and thus ignored me. That's nice that you don't want to hurt innocents, but you didn't give an alternate explanation as to your strategy to avoid doing this or explain any logic behind it. Good feelings and camaraderie don't kill wolfpires, logic, strategy, and cunning do.

If pointing out the logical fallacy in wholeheartedly rejecting reason for an emotional appeal makes me suspicious, then I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 28, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Defenestration on this.

When I saw this post:

We're getting pretty good at this lynching thing! If we keep killing the innocents at least it'll be easier to hit the werewolves and vampires later on!

*Golf clap*

I was planning on giving you a break because of what you said later:

Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.

I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.

I kinda agree here! This made up for you implying that we were aiming to lynch innocents.
Of course, with this next post you come out and admit that you think we're trying to kill innocents:

Secondly, what logic was there to explain? I just don't like lynching innocent people, I'm sorry if I was supposed to just be all "Hell yeah, let's lynch all of the innocents!", But that's not really my style.


This is a strawman. None of us (well, most of us) aren't trying to lynch innocents. No one said we wanted to kill innocents. We have, however, admitted that there will be innocent casualties when using the lynch. This is mostly unavoidable as a result of the uninformed nature of the town. We've brought this up already. You're either missing the point, or just being intentionally obtuse. Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 28, 2012, 06:17:04 PM
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.

Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.

Stush is being Crazy, but so is Defenestration.

...Every time you post, my urge to vote for you rises higher and higher.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friday on June 28, 2012, 06:31:26 PM
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Today, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)

OK, Newbie. I'm willing to put up with your super secret "I am using google docs spreadsheet" voting strategy, but this seems like an incredibly arbitrary fucking reason to vote for someone. I'm not gonna vote for you because I've been wrong about your weird playstyle in the past, but please do us a favor and explain WHY POSTING FIRST is indicative of being a wolfpire.

RE: Stush: Stush is Stush and is the happiest most sunshiney person ever. It's entirely possible he's just being cheerful because he's Stush. Of course, he survived until the late game as a bad once because NOBODY SUSPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION STUSH

RE: Dizzy: Ok, so after he calmed down last time I sort of forgot about him. Now he's calling attention to himself again, in a game where no role, at all, wants attention. I can only assume he is doing reverse psychology here. There's no logical reason for him to post this way otherwise. If he wanted out of the game, he could have just asked the GM and been replaced.

Dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 28, 2012, 06:31:55 PM
Well, Stush. It's time to say goodbye...

(http://i.imgur.com/CRxMr.jpg)

...to your tush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bleck on June 28, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.

Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.

The first three to vote for Nex (who, in case you forgot, was human) were Zara, Lottel, and then gahitsu. Zara's vote can easily be seen as an attempt to pressure Nex. Lottel's vote is suspicious because of the same reason he claimed Nex was suspicious - if Lottel thought it was suspicious to cast a second vote onto a person when the first post was supposedly an innocuous attempt at pressure, why would he then do the same to Nex?

And then we have gahitsu. The third vote was supposedly cast because Nex was 'joking about being the Weretiger', when he was actually posting about how claiming to be the Weretiger on the first day isn't productive. So... it's apparently super suspicious when somebody points out what would be a bad idea when playing? I guess that makes a lot of sense, seeing as Nex was a werew- no, wait, he was a fucking human!

I'd say Lottel's vote is pretty suspicious, but gahitsu's vote is way moreso. Seeing as though, again, Nex was a human, I think it would be in our best interest to, you know, actually put pressure on people who decided to lynch a human. Because there are, like, lycanthropires and such lurking about, and I'm pretty damn sure that it's pretty damn likely that they're going to be working together to do this exact thing that they're doing right now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: gahitsu on June 28, 2012, 07:45:11 PM
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.

Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.

The first three to vote for Nex (who, in case you forgot, was human) were Zara, Lottel, and then gahitsu. Zara's vote can easily be seen as an attempt to pressure Nex. Lottel's vote is suspicious because of the same reason he claimed Nex was suspicious - if Lottel thought it was suspicious to cast a second vote onto a person when the first post was supposedly an innocuous attempt at pressure, why would he then do the same to Nex?

And then we have gahitsu. The third vote was supposedly cast because Nex was 'joking about being the Weretiger', when he was actually posting about how claiming to be the Weretiger on the first day isn't productive. So... it's apparently super suspicious when somebody points out what would be a bad idea when playing? I guess that makes a lot of sense, seeing as Nex was a werew- no, wait, he was a fucking human!

I'd say Lottel's vote is pretty suspicious, but gahitsu's vote is way moreso. Seeing as though, again, Nex was a human, I think it would be in our best interest to, you know, actually put pressure on people who decided to lynch a human. Because there are, like, lycanthropires and such lurking about, and I'm pretty damn sure that it's pretty damn likely that they're going to be working together to do this exact thing that they're doing right now.

How can you type so much when you can't fucking read? Dizzy was the one claiming Weretigger you nincompoop, this was covered over the course of like a dozen posts if you missed it the first time. My complaint with Nex is that he was arguing that it is okay for a townie to claim Weretiger later during the game but not at the beginning. I even quoted it for everyone's convenience! I feel bad about lynching Nex, but only because he's vanilla and instead of succumbing to vanilla apathy, he tried to be an active participant and it ended up getting him lynched day two. But he also said stupid anti-town shit and I'm not going to feel bad about lynching a player for saying stupid anti-town shit, even if it turns out he's just a crappy vanilla.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Lottel on June 28, 2012, 07:57:43 PM
Aaaand back after a long, awful day of work and this thread has been super busy!
I agree with Friday that Dizzy is more than likely pulling some sort of weird double or quadruple reverse psychology stunt for no reason once so ever. Stush has been acting weird, yes, but the odd one here is Newbie.

He comes out swinging from day one saying he has math backing up all of his choices, seems to vote randomly. Today he just doesn't care and votes for Defen for just posting first. Either Newbie has been fucking with all of us this whole time and keeps avoiding getting lynched thanks to his fangy/furry friends or he has an actual reason for voting for Defenestration and is just lying about it.

Either he's got sharp teeth or he's hiding information we desperately need. We need to put pressure on him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bleck on June 28, 2012, 07:59:46 PM
How can you type so much when you can't fucking read?

Yeah, getting this angry in response to one vote isn't suspicious at all. Remember when I said gahitsu seemed nervous?

My complaint with Nex is that he was arguing that it is okay for a townie to claim Weretiger later during the game but not at the beginning.

Yes? It's possible for there to be a point where claiming to be the Weretiger might be beneficial in some capacity, but it's extremely unlikely to happen early in the game. I don't really see why somebody saying this justifies lynching a human.

But he also said stupid anti-town shit and I'm not going to feel bad about lynching a player for saying stupid anti-town shit, even if it turns out he's just a crappy vanilla.

Anti-town shit? You realize that, as the town is made up of humans, lynching a human for stupid reasons would be anti-town shit?

Even if you aren't a bad, saying that you're justified about lynching a human for any reason is a good reason to lynch you anyways. The humans don't need players who are going lead bandwagons on their own kind.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Lottel on June 28, 2012, 08:09:34 PM

For shits and giggles, I'm going to point this out.

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Even if you aren't a bad, saying that you're justified about lynching a human for any reason is a good reason to lynch you anyways. The humans don't need players who are going lead bandwagons on their own kind.
:hurr:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Classic on June 28, 2012, 08:16:54 PM
Cheers bleck. May whatever cruel thing you worship have mercy on your twisted soul.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bleck on June 28, 2012, 08:41:11 PM
For shits and giggles, I'm going to point this out.

Are you specifying that you're doing this jokingly to pre-emptively quash the idea that you're doing it to defend a teammate?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 28, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
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Today, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)

OK, Newbie. I'm willing to put up with your super secret "I am using google docs spreadsheet" voting strategy, but this seems like an incredibly arbitrary fucking reason to vote for someone. I'm not gonna vote for you because I've been wrong about your weird playstyle in the past, but please do us a favor and explain WHY POSTING FIRST is indicative of being a wolfpire.

It's not so much that posting first is an incredibly damning move—although it does seem like you're more likely to have a special role or item if you post first. (Has this proven true in other games? That's something I should look into later.) Rather, as I pointed out at the time, I could access the game from work, but I couldn't access my game spreadsheet (in good conscience, anyway—not going to log into my personal google account on a work computer). I wouldn't need to access my spreadsheet if my voting rubric for the moment was sufficiently simple, though, and that reminded me of my long-held suspicion of people who post the soonest. It was a marriage of calculation and convenience.

Now that I actually have my notes in front of me, I see that Defenestration and gahitsu should be tied for most posts in the game. (Standard disclaimer about the possibility of human error.) While one or both could be evil, the more I think about it, the less I'm convinced that posting a lot = likely bad. Similarly, I'm not convinced Stush is evil just because of statements that don't support sound play tactics—Stush is Stush and I very much doubt team affiliation is going to change that.

Rather, I think I'm going to vote for McDohl, who earns the distinction of having the greatest deviation from average number of posts per player, with 1 post, compared to the average of 12.667. (I PMed Dohl a while back to see what was up, and despite being having a hard time getting the time to play, he didn't seem to have much trouble getting time to respond to my PM.)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 28, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
...huh. I think I'd better get to bed before I get the urge to make another parenthetical aside.

(...too late.)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 08:59:58 PM

This is a strawman. None of us (well, most of us) aren't trying to lynch innocents. No one said we wanted to kill innocents. We have, however, admitted that there will be innocent casualties when using the lynch. This is mostly unavoidable as a result of the uninformed nature of the town. We've brought this up already. You're either missing the point, or just being intentionally obtuse. Stush.


I think it's pretty bloody obvious that i'm missing the point here. If I was a badguy, why would I draw attention onto myself with posts that accomplish nothing? I'm just saying this stuff because I just think it's funny that people act like they have a strategy, but it just seems like they either vote at random, or at the first person who catches their attention.

Well, Stush. It's time to say goodbye...

(http://i.imgur.com/CRxMr.jpg)

...to your tush.

Okay, that made me laugh a lot, so I can't be mad at you for voting for me, but if you're a human [which I sort of doubt at the moment], and for any other humans out there, if you vote for me, you're gonna feel pretty silly afterwards.

But yeah, is there any way I can change my vote to Dizzy? There's no reason for Dizzy to want to be lynched unless it's reverse psychology. If he wants out of the game, he can get out without us lynching him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: McDohl on June 28, 2012, 09:09:16 PM
Yeah, I want to apologize for the inactivity.  Some shit in my life got sorta hectic, and this thread was one of the last things to cross my mind.

Anyway, back to wolf.

Newbie, I can't really defend myself from your vote against me.  Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that.

I still say it's WAY too early for someone to be claiming weretiger.  I never felt comfortable at all a few games back when I was the weretiger ninja.  Now there's a weird dilemma, lemme tell you.

It might look retaliatory, but I feel that Newbie has something to hide.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Syl on June 28, 2012, 09:35:45 PM
I go to work and like 20 posts happen. Catching up. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 28, 2012, 09:53:43 PM
If I was a badguy, why would I draw attention onto myself with posts that accomplish nothing?

Why does anybody do anything? It is a mystery.

I'm just saying this stuff because I just think it's funny that people act like they have a strategy, but it just seems like they either vote at random, or at the first person who catches their attention.

Look, I'm not going to lie. I do both of those things you mentioned. However, that's not what Defenestration and I am grilling you about. With or without a strategy, the innocents must lynch someone. That's the only way the town will win. Every day we lynch someone, we have a chance of killing a baddie, though we have a chance at killing an innocent. That happens. We can afford to lose people because we have a numbers advantage.

You keep mentioning that you don't want to kill innocents.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not trying to kill innocents, but it's inevitable if we're going to get rid of the other teams. So stop saying it. The lynch is necessary. But for now I'll retract my vote.

But yeah, is there any way I can change my vote to Dizzy? There's no reason for Dizzy to want to be lynched unless it's reverse psychology. If he wants out of the game, he can get out without us lynching him.

EVERYONE STOP VOTING FOR DIZZY.
Okay, I confess, I don't actually know if Dizzy is evil or not. But let me ask you this: Has someone ever role revealed as evil from out of the blue, and actually been evil?

Now, this is just my intuition, but I feel that Dizzy's just playing with you guys. He seems like the type to enjoy tricking people, because it amuses him. It's interesting because the first time he raised attention to himself, we ignored his cries for attention so he had to escalate the situation. It looks like this attempt might work, but I'd rather kill someone else who I actually suspect to be evil.

Anyways, suppose it really is reverse psychology and Dizzy's actually the weretiger. I thought we've already established that we didn't want to kill the weretiger this early. Or has everyone already forgotten?

Unless everyone thinks that Dizzy's not actually the weretiger and just plain bad? In case revealing himself as a trick would be dumb. Especially after he got away with it in day one or whenever. It's be much more plausible if he didn't push his luck again today. Doing it once is strategic. Doing it twice is insanity.

One last thing: I was going to change my vote to Mcdohl, but after reading his post, I don't feel suspicious towards him anymore.

(I'm probably going to vote for Bleck/gahitsu, but I'll wait till they settle their argument before I decide.)

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Syl on June 28, 2012, 10:02:29 PM
Dizzy says he's the weretiger.  I'm voting to kill the fucking weretiger. Dizzy. Why?  Cause the weretiger could very well also be a werewolf or a vamp, and its a fucking win-win-win situation if Dizzy is ANY of the above. 

On that note,
Quote from: mcdohl
...Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that....
Mcdohl, I think i'm more confused by this post compared to anyone.  It's wonderful that you believe I shouldn't die, I just wish I had a clue why you felt so strongly about this. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Stush on June 28, 2012, 10:25:09 PM

You keep mentioning that you don't want to kill innocents.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not trying to kill innocents, but it's inevitable if we're going to get rid of the other teams. So stop saying it. The lynch is necessary. But for now I'll retract my vote.


Yeah, sorry about that, you can sort of chalk all of that up to it being only the second time I've ever played, and the first time in like.. I dunno, 5 years? Plus, I tend to feel the need to whine about stuff going wrong.

But I can't figure out what Dizzy's up to, I mean, lying about being a badguy and getting everyone to lynch you for no reason when you're just a plain innocent seems like a good way to not get invited to the next game. So the only thing that makes sense is that they're a badguy. To me, at least, I might be totally wrong.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 29, 2012, 04:02:41 AM
Yeah, I want to apologize for the inactivity.  Some shit in my life got sorta hectic, and this thread was one of the last things to cross my mind.

Anyway, back to wolf.

Newbie, I can't really defend myself from your vote against me.  Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that.

I still say it's WAY too early for someone to be claiming weretiger.  I never felt comfortable at all a few games back when I was the weretiger ninja.  Now there's a weird dilemma, lemme tell you.

It might look retaliatory, but I feel that Newbie has something to hide.



/shrug

You can plead out-of-game factors if you'd like, but claiming "you don't want me dead" just reconfirms that your silence has been deliberate rather than inadvertent. Also, if you're the seer or something you really shouldn't be saying that sort of thing when there's only one vote on you.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Caithness on June 29, 2012, 05:06:54 AM
Quote from: mcdohl
...Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that....
Mcdohl, I think i'm more confused by this post compared to anyone.  It's wonderful that you believe I shouldn't die, I just wish I had a clue why you felt so strongly about this.

He's not putting you in the same category as himself, silly, he's putting you in the same category as Newbie. Because you're the two people who have voted for him.

And now I'm voting for you, Syl. Most of your posts so far have been entirely without content.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 29, 2012, 08:40:43 AM
Also, in rereading, it seems like people don't understand why we shouldn't vote for dizzy.

If dizzy is the weretiger, neither the vampires nor the werewolves want to kill off the other team before he's dead, but neither team wants to waste an attack on him if they can wait for somebody else to do it... plus, he could be a vanilla innocent, wasting time.

If he's weretiger AND a wolfpire, that team cannot win while he lives, and their own attacks can't kill him, making him a particularly ripe lynching target.

If we can prove that dizzy is the weretiger, a weretiger-vamp or  a were-tigerwolf, no innocent player should ever vote for him.

All this falls apart if he's lying... in which case we should let the evil teams spend their resources to figure out.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Zaratustra on June 29, 2012, 08:51:54 AM
So, what, he has the one kill-proof strategy in the game? That's extremely abusable.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Syl on June 29, 2012, 09:34:57 AM
If dizzy isn't the weretiger and is just a wolf or a vamp, then lynching him would be for the greater good, yes? 

Dizzy knows how to play the game, he came out SAYING he was the weretiger in hopes that it would make people not vote for him.  It's pretty damn obvious.  We could let someone scry him and expose a scrier, or we could just fucking kill him and remove a long term threat.

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And now I'm voting for you, Syl. Most of your posts so far have been entirely without content.
Sadly i'm finding very little content to work with.  I need to pay more attention to voting patterns and such, i simply haven't had the resources to comb the entire thread over.  I'm quite worried about Friend as well, but that may just be the mastermind scheming s/he's doing. 

The fact that so many people are all brazenly "DON'T VOTE FOR DIZZY" is intriguing, at least.  Curious if any of them are on the same side as dizzy. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 29, 2012, 10:21:06 AM
I was asked a question in private, and I wish to confirm my answer in public: any item used during the night can indeed be used immediately upon acquisition (just say so in your bid); however, the Almost Undetectable Poison is technically used during the day, so it can't be used to kill someone the same night that it is won.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: McDohl on June 29, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
Regarding the confusion, yes, I am lumping Newbie and Syl in together. 

Just keep in mind, everyone, that the cloak is up for sale.  Scrying after tonight are going to be slightly less reliable.  If we have a shot at pegging and killing the were tiger, now is probably it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Caithness on June 29, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
And yet your vote is still on Newbie. Does that mean you think Dizzy isn't the Weretiger?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 29, 2012, 03:58:06 PM
I have a confession to make.

I am not the Weretiger.

This is what happened: I was contacted by a vampire early on. In exchange for posing as the Weretiger and distracting all other parties, I was told I would be granted eternal life and a place among the New Vampire Order after the rest of you were dead. I thought it was a good deal so I accepted it.

I thought I was going to receive my Super Plush Bear item today and then be spared the inevitable lynch... then my master would turn me. I have not. I admit I'm not intimately knowledgeable about the rules so I fear I've been bamboozled and specifically chosen due to my newness around here. Why? Because the vampire who made the deal is voting for me right now.

Master...

(http://i.imgur.com/OQvPm.jpg)

Master...

You betray me!


(The vampire is Syl!)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 29, 2012, 04:01:27 PM
If dizzy isn't the weretiger and is just a wolf or a vamp, then lynching him would be for the greater good, yes? 

Yes.

Dizzy knows how to play the game, he came out SAYING he was the weretiger in hopes that it would make people not vote for him.  It's pretty damn obvious.

It's a good thing it's so obvious. It's so obvious that you don't need to give an explanation or any reasoning for why we should vote Dizzy. The fact that I gave an opposing reason not to vote Dizzy doesn't matter, because he's obviously bad. OBVIOUSLY.

Sadly i'm finding very little content to work with. I need to pay more attention to voting patterns and such, i simply haven't had the resources to comb the entire thread over. I'm quite worried about Friend as well, but that may just be the mastermind scheming s/he's doing. 

Yeah, I'm really such a mastermind. Y'know, for participating. Maybe I would be a regular innocent if I posted once a day and complained about how little content there is to post about, while adding nothing personally.

The fact that so many people are all brazenly "DON'T VOTE FOR DIZZY" is intriguing, at least.  Curious if any of them are on the same side as dizzy. 

The fact that so many people are all brazenly "LET'S VOTE FOR DIZZY" is intriguing, at least. Curious if any of them are on the same side against dizzy.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Look, I already wrote all this shit out. So screw your vampire master plan Dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Caithness on June 29, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
Well now. I knew that Dizzy didn't actually want to be lynched, because if he did he wouldn't have voted for Stush in order to take himself out of the lead. And I knew that the only reasons for him to claim that he was the Weretiger all involved him being evil.

I didn't vote for him because I buy the theory that keeping a Weretiger around is good for the town, but no Weretiger would bring this much attention on himself. Therefore, I believe Dizzy to be just a regular bad-guy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: gahitsu on June 29, 2012, 05:08:12 PM
I ... don't know if I believe anything of what Dizzy said, but at least being utterly baffling is a normal Dizzy state so we've returned to some sort of normalcy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 29, 2012, 05:20:06 PM
While today's vote is probably set already, I think syl has been acting much more suspiciously than dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 29, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
I have no idea what to make of this at all. But Syl has had low posting levels and the story would make Dizzy's actions sensical. To a degree.

Syl
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 29, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
Is it just me or can no one else change their vote in the poll either?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Lottel on June 29, 2012, 05:32:20 PM
This game is dumb.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 29, 2012, 05:36:37 PM
I'm sorry for betraying you all. I guess I had to be betrayed myself in order to realize what I foolish thing I had done. I once again ask for your forgiveness. Never again will I have any dealings with vampires or any other bad guys.

My fate is probably sealed, whether I am lynched or not. Now that I have given up one of their own, I'll probably never see another sunrise again.

I shall continue to push for Syl. It might be the only way I can redeem my humanity before the end.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 29, 2012, 06:02:27 PM
~HAMMERTIME~ (possibly futile) to let me finish entering data after I get back from the party
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Caithness on June 29, 2012, 06:04:30 PM
The day's only 3/4 over. Just how long is this party going to be?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friday on June 29, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
I have a hard time believing that a player who knew nobody on these boards (Syl) would randomly contact Dizzy with a plan to "take the heat off of the vampires" when no such heat existed.

My vote remains firmly on Dizzy. If he's innocent, then we can kill Syl.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friday on June 29, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
Quote
This is what happened: I was contacted by a vampire early on. In exchange for posing as the Weretiger and distracting all other parties, I was told I would be granted eternal life and a place among the New Vampire Order after the rest of you were dead. I thought it was a good deal so I accepted it.

Distract "all other parties" from what? If you were lynched, how would you get rewarded by being turned into a vamp? You'd be dead.

Nothing about what Dizzy posted makes any sense. Seriously, guys, he's a bad. Kill him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 29, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
I was supposed to just distract people. I had no idea as to why. Ask Syl. He promised me I would get the Super Bear Plush to save me from the rope. I didn't get it and now he's voting for me. I'm now feeling the others pushing for my death might be vampires too. I've already compromised one of their own.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Syl on June 29, 2012, 07:31:13 PM
Dizzy, there is no way for me to give you an item.  More importantly, if I had the super plush bear, why the fuck would I give it to you?  Thirdly, why the fuck would I contact you before I turned you even if I was a vampire?  Fourthly, Why the fuck would I want to turn you anyway?  You said you were the weretiger, if I had any choice in turning someone it would be someone who didn't make themselves an obvious target.

I do, however, have an item.  It is the interceptor.  Dizzy obviously couldn't know that.  I was really hoping that it would work to help kill a vampire or werewolf who targeted me at night to help expose one of the team.  I don't have any other powers of interest. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Syl on June 29, 2012, 07:35:39 PM
I am way too fucking Selfish AND paranoid to offer someone an item or attempt to contact someone in hopes of turning.  Seriously, if someone contacted me going "hey, want to be a vampire" I'd be posting in the thread going "hey, this guy just contacted me asking me to be a vampire."  If I was a werewolf and someone contacted me, I'd say the exact same fucking thing.  If i was a vampire and someone asked me to be a vampire, i'd know they were a fucking liar and play into it.

Does anything that Dizzy said make ANY fucking sense?  The only PM's i've gotten for the entire game are from Bongo himself, involving the auction house. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 29, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
Fuck it; the easiest way to settle it at this point is to kill dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 29, 2012, 07:46:51 PM
Syl, Syl, Syl...

You contacted me before I made my Weretiger claim and told me to make that claim. That was the whole plan and now you've screwed me. You dangled that Super Plush Bear item in front of me as an incentive, but I guess that was a lie too.

I like how you are now frantically posting to refute me. You may have everyone else fooled but once I'm dead they will come for you... and your children.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Friend on June 29, 2012, 07:49:10 PM
Yeah,  I'd rather kill Syl than you, but everyone else seems dead set on killing you. If you turn out to be innocent, You can be sure I'll vote for Syl tomorrow.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Kayma on June 29, 2012, 07:58:24 PM
I have a hard time believing that a player who knew nobody on these boards (Syl) would randomly contact Dizzy with a plan to "take the heat off of the vampires" when no such heat existed.

My vote remains firmly on Dizzy. If he's innocent, then we can kill Syl.

...OK, this logic has forced me to rethink my previous stance. Dizzy, you crazy fuck.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Dizzy on June 29, 2012, 08:02:16 PM
I'm not crazy! I never said anything about taking the heat off the vampires either. I was (once again) told to be a distraction. For what purpose? I don't know. Only them.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Defenestration on June 29, 2012, 08:11:30 PM
I'm going to get on this bandwagon. One of the two of them is definately a bad, and while I still think it's Syl that's more likely the obvious solution is to get them both dead quicker and find out for sure. Dizzy
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: McDohl on June 29, 2012, 08:42:55 PM
Hm.  Agreed.

Changing my vote to Dizzy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Envy on June 29, 2012, 09:08:54 PM
Sorry but the Dizzys have it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 3
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 30, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
That's nine votes! Despite Newbie's hammertime, you haul him off to the scaffold.

Dizzy was a vanilla innocent with no items. What the fuck even happened? Was he just bored? I once tried to scrute Dizzy, but almost got a hernia.

Anyway, it's now Night 3, so get me your shit.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 3
Post by: Disposable Ninja on June 30, 2012, 06:25:17 AM
... Okay, I know that since I'm not playing anymore I shouldn't commentate on things that happen in the game, but I feel an overwhelming need to say this: Dizzy should be banned from playing Werewolf. Forever.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 3
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on June 30, 2012, 08:00:02 AM
Dizzy's behavior would have been fine if you guys would have just not worried about lynching him like I told you to!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 3
Post by: gahitsu on June 30, 2012, 09:20:26 AM
Talking Time is celebrating his death. That's enough for me. :3c
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 3
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 30, 2012, 10:33:47 PM
Day 4 dawns, and Zaratustra is dead. He was a nosferatu, and the vigilante, and he had 10 golds and an unopened bottle of Almost Undetectable Poison.

There are 15 players left alive:
Bleck
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
dtsund
Envy
Friday
Friend
gahitsu
jsnlxndrlv
Kayma
Lottel
McDohl
Stush
Syl

It takes 8 votes to kill and you got 48 hours to do it.

Today's Auction House items are:
Scry-Sucking Crystal Ball: When you use it, you get a copy of the result of one investigation power used that night, chosen at random. It could be the Oracle's, the PI's, or even something from an item! If nobody scries anything, then tough noogies.
Silvery Pendant of Silver: Use this publicly during the day on a target you suspect of lycanthropy! If they're a werewolf, they will die and you'll be a hero. If they're not, then you just wasted a perfectly good item, chump! While you own this item and haven't used it, you're immune to being turned into a lycanthrope yourself and to being killed in a werewolf attack (though a werewolf could still use an item or a human power to do the trick).
Seer's Glasses: Lets you scry somebody once. Yawn.

If you have no idea how much money you have, ask me, because I know.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friday on June 30, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Unless something earthshattering occurs, Syl looks like a dead vampire to me.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Defenestration on June 30, 2012, 10:46:55 PM
Indeed. Syl
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friend on June 30, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
Syl.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Stush on June 30, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
I'll go for Syl too.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on June 30, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
Syl.
If Syl's not a vamp then I'm going to find Dizzy and punch his face off.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Bleck on June 30, 2012, 11:37:08 PM
Syl.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on June 30, 2012, 11:44:50 PM
Goddamit  I disapear for an evening and now i'm a target.  I promise that I'm not a vamp.  100% not a vamp.  Dizzy was just using me as an obvious scapegoat.

I even guessed that Dizzy was an innocent about halfway through yesterday, but if the vote came to Dizzy or me, i figured that Dizzy should die instead.  If you guys are so fucking focused on killing yet another innocent, vote for me. 

The whole dizzy/Syl charade was obviously Dizzy acting out the fact that he has no powers.  I have no powers, more importantly, whoever had the thieves glove actually stole my interceptor last night.  So I'm doubly powerless.  I'd love to last another few days and try to figure out who the hell the real badguys are, but fuck it.  This is going to be a game of wolves vs. vamps in the end, all the innocents will be killed if you keep voting for me.

what kind of information towards me being a bad do you have except for Dizzy? Who was obviously talking bullshit ontop of more bullshit? 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Kazz on June 30, 2012, 11:52:28 PM
Syl
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friday on June 30, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
Kazz you are drunk
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friday on June 30, 2012, 11:55:26 PM
But really Dizzy's shit STILL makes no sense even if you are a vamp. Like. Why would you even contact him with the most ridiculous plan ever of having him claim tiger to distract the innocents from NOTHING DAY 1

The most hilarious thing would be if Dizzy was making everything up 100% completely, but you happened to be Dracula anyway.

If that is the case, I will fucking laugh till I cry.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Bongo Bill on June 30, 2012, 11:58:45 PM
I'm not gonna end the day until everybody's had a reasonable chance to post (whether or not they actually take that chance). Probably late tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 12:06:08 AM
Ya know.  fuck it.

I'm going to die today.

I'm not a vamp, i'm a werewolf.  Absolutely a goddamn werewolf. 

HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLL.

The other werewolves are Friday Classic, and Caithness.

Why?  They fucking set me out to die.

I want to eat the fucking skin off of every single goddamn human left in this town, and vampires taste twice as sweet. 

We could have worked to prevent the Wyrm from rising, but fuck no, you stupid humans have no idea whats at stake by killing off your protectors.  Ignorant fucks. 

I am full of vengeance.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 12:07:06 AM
Also, I vote for DTsund, because, well, fuck him.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friend on July 01, 2012, 12:09:46 AM
Dizzy was confirmed as an innocent. He claimed you were a vampire. We can assume under normal conditions, Dizzy had no logical reason to lie to us about his dealings with you. Unless of course, he's trolling. In which case:

Now, this is just my intuition, but I feel that Dizzy's just playing with you guys. He seems like the type to enjoy tricking people, because it amuses him. It's interesting because the first time he raised attention to himself, we ignored his cries for attention so he had to escalate the situation.
notice how he escalated the situation even further by indicting syl as a vampire. If Syl turns out to be innocent, then I applaud you, Dizzy. You are a master of your craft and deserve the utmost respect and my admiration.

Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

But really Dizzy's shit STILL makes no sense even if you are a vamp. Like. Why would you even contact him with the most ridiculous plan ever of having him claim tiger to distract the innocents from NOTHING DAY 1

The most hilarious thing would be if Dizzy was making everything up 100% completely, but you happened to be Dracula anyway.

If that is the case, I will fucking laugh till I cry.

Not to mention the fact that transferring items isn't even allowed, so Dizzy couldn't have even gotten the plush bear. And that the plush bear wouldn't have saved him from the lynch. Why would he even accept an offer from the vamps on day 1, when there was no guarantee they would win?

but... I just chalked it up to him not really knowing the rules.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Trying to pull a dizzy, I see.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
Everything I said two posts ago was a lie.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 01, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
I'd be a fool to let a little math stand in the way of a vote for Syl right here, wouldn't I
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 12:19:22 AM
THIS
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 12:19:28 AM
IS
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
THE
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
DUMBEST
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 12:19:55 AM
BULLSHIT
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 12:23:19 AM
Aww.  Lottel can't deal with having a bit of confusion in his game.  :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 12:24:03 AM
He's not a werewolf, but goddamn does he wish he was.

Probably a vampire. 
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Defenestration on July 01, 2012, 02:13:18 AM
This is what George Takei thinks of you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_QDGdbg-QQ#)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 06:03:26 AM
Fuck.  I was so drunk when I posted last night.

fuck.  I'm still drunk, and now i'm heading off to work.   Sorry guys, weekends are pretty bad for me and werewolf games.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 06:05:48 AM
You know who else are not werewolves?  Bleck, Classic, Caithness, Defenestration, DTsund, Envy, Friday, Friend, Gahitsu, jsnlxndrlv, Kayma, Lottel, Mcdohl, Stush or Syl.   :itsatrap:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 06:08:03 AM
Goddamn.  What the hell did I drink last night.  Of course some of those guys are wolves and vamps!  They have to be! 

Probably Bleck, Defenestration, Gahitsu and jsnlxndrlv.

Ya know, just a hunch.   :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 06:10:31 AM
Also Friend is a Ninja. 
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p590EZb2UIo/T7F_NMBQLoI/AAAAAAAAFC8/PkGnMz6zZWI/s1600/ninja_crouch.jpg)

A ninja weretiger.
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs32/f/2008/209/0/7/Female_weretiger_by_WolfLSI.jpg)
Who can, for some reason, cast magic?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Syl on July 01, 2012, 06:11:32 AM
Woo!  Off to work.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friday on July 01, 2012, 06:17:04 AM
Syl you are drunk
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Kayma on July 01, 2012, 07:03:58 AM
Hah. Syl. Let's let's just start over on day 5 with less crazy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Friday on July 01, 2012, 10:27:02 AM
But seriously, Syl, if you are actually a wolf, and you do know who actual vampires are, it would be beneficial to both our teams to tell us. Dracula hasn't even died once yet, and once the vamps get going, they are hard to stop.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Envy on July 01, 2012, 02:22:15 PM
I'm sorry Syl this is just too easy to pass up.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Ok. That wording bothers me, Envy.

Easy?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Envy on July 01, 2012, 03:10:28 PM
Innocents going for a potential wolf? If he speaks the truth and he is a werewolf, then maybe his list proves viable, in telling that we should choose everyone opposite of the list.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: McDohl on July 01, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
I think that's enough votes for Syl, but holy shit, what the hell.

Wow, I'm starting to totally feel Lottel's pain here.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Lottel on July 01, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Envy, the wording "too good to pass up" makes sense if you are inno. "Too easy to pass up" makes it sound like you are a bad and we are making things easy for you by killing innos.

The distinction is very important.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 4
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 01, 2012, 04:53:15 PM
Well, uh, okay then.

You kill Syl. Turns out he was a lycanthrope.

Let's get those bids and night actions for night 4.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 03, 2012, 12:40:58 AM
It is the morning of Day 5, and Friday lies murdered in the street. She was a human Thief, and it seems that her faithful hound Interceptor was deployed in revenge. Mysteriously, nobody else has died.

Today's Auction House items are:
The Bomb: If the owner of this item is lynched, they may immediately specify somebody else to be killed.
The Shovel: This item steals all the items and golds from one dead player.
The Assassin's Blade: This item may be used to kill one person once.

The following 13 players are still alive:
Bleck
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
dtsund
Envy
Friend
gahitsu
jsnlxndrlv
Kayma
Lottel
McDohl
Stush

And it takes only 7 votes to kill one of them.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: gahitsu on July 03, 2012, 01:11:54 AM
So, whoever killed Friday held the teddy bear?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: gahitsu on July 03, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
Also Bongers Friday's still in your living list o' buddies.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 03, 2012, 01:14:28 AM
Also Bongers Friday's still in your living list o' buddies.
Fixed it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: McDohl on July 03, 2012, 03:59:31 AM
Okay, guys.  We're down to crunch time.  I think that the vamps have been turning a whole bunch, so I very well could be the only sane one left.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friday on July 03, 2012, 04:24:13 AM
It's ok, wolves. I was surprised I wasn't a vampire too.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Stush on July 03, 2012, 04:50:46 AM
Well, Dizzy put us onto Syl, who turned out to be a baddie, and syl said that Friend was a ninja weretiger, which sounds pretty scary.

I know it's pretty flimsy, but I mean, it worked before!

You guys should trust me, Because i'm Stush!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 03, 2012, 05:35:47 AM
It's a good thing you voted for me stush, because I had no other leads today. Now I believe you are a Nosferatu. Let me break this down.
Lycanthropes start with  4-6 players. Let 's assume the real number is 4-5. Nosferatus start with 2. Assuming they've turned someone every night, they have at most 6 team members. Now accounting for casualties, the other team's standing is

Lycanthropes: 3-4
Nosferatus: 2-5

The nosferatus still  have their master and backup master. They will likely turn more people.
Total players: 13
Total baddies: 5-9.
Worst case scenario, innos are already outnumbered.

Now,  let's make some assumptions. Let's assume syl is right and I'm the ninjatiger. Now let's assume You're a Nosferatu. That means you know how many teammates you have. Assume a number higher on the Nosferatu spectrum. That means as the winning team, you have a pretty damn good incentive to kill me. Now, you're probably going to plead innocence. Let's assume you are an innocent. Let me then refer to the earlier numbers:

13 total players
5-9 suspect, with both master nosferatus in play and a wolf turn still available. If you really are an innocent and your first priority right now is to go after the weretiger, then you are a moron. This applies if you are a wolf as well.

So, to sum: Stush: nosferatu protecting his lead, or moronic inno/slightly less moronic wolf.

Either way, you're dead meat, stush
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Stush on July 03, 2012, 05:53:47 AM
Just because you know how to fill this box with words and numbers doesn't make you captain smartypants!

If I had any stronger leads, sure, i'd follow those. Just going with what worked last time is all I have at the moment.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 1
Post by: Caithness on July 03, 2012, 08:12:35 AM
Maybe getting lynched has its uses for the good guys. You never know.

Dizzy actually had a point here, whether he knew it or not. By claiming to be the Weretiger, he ensured that every bad wanted to vote for him. I don't know if he was just lucky or if he knew Syl was a wolf, but when he fingered Syl as a vampire instead every bad knew he was lying and must be on the other team. They almost certainly couldn't resist the urge to earn points with the innocents by voting for the lynch of a member of their rival team.

I'm especially suspicious of the people who voted for Dizzy after he already had eight votes, namely Defenestration, McDohl and Envy. Now it's possible they just weren't paying attention and didn't know he was already lynched, but I also think it's very possible that they didn't want to be seen NOT voting for Dizzy.

I know Defenestration is a very canny player from his performance in the last game. I don't think he would overlook something as crucial as the number of votes the leading candidate for lynch has.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 03, 2012, 08:41:41 AM
The fact that Stush wants to kill Friend intrigues me, because I know for a fact that Friend is the weretiger: the PI accepted my bid to scry him last night. I wouldn't be admitting this right now, but since Friend is getting votes, that's enough reason to suspect at least one evil team is aware of his felinity.

So... is it better to vote for Stush, or a confirmed evil? I don't think we should vote Friend, since the wolfpires will be falling all over each other to kill him now. Stush gets my vote unless we get somebody better.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 03, 2012, 08:53:07 AM
Yeah let's listen to the wolf. S/he was spot on about Dizzy, right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 03, 2012, 08:55:22 AM
Ahhh godamnit newbie.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 03, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
my first response was targeted at stush, in case it was unclear.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 03, 2012, 10:01:16 AM
Is this the game of absolutely crazy plays? Stush you crazy-stupid bastard.
Seriously, I read your logic and nearly choked on my drink. I don't know if these stains are ever going to come out.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: gahitsu on July 03, 2012, 10:26:06 AM
Ahahahaha holy shit I love this game so much.  :nyoro~n:

Stush you've been suspiciously naive the whole game and you seem like you're flailing now that you're being called out. Friend's tiggery numbers are concerning, though.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 03, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
I don't think any of the people who voted for Dizzy are allowed to call anyone naive.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Kayma on July 03, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
Let's be honest though, Dizzy had to go down.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Defenestration on July 03, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
I know Defenestration is a very canny player from his performance in the last game. I don't think he would overlook something as crucial as the number of votes the leading candidate for lynch has.

I counted 6 then, myself. Must have skipped a vote between all the vote swaps that day. That and the poll's been borked the whole time, so.

Anyway, you know what? This train on Stush isn't without reason or anything, but I'm not convinced that he's anything but a really dumb inno. He's definately on my list of suspicion, but you know who's at the top right now? Envy's slip of the tongue yesterday that Lottel observed is probably very telling. Envy outs himself unintentionally every game as a bad in a similarly obvious way. Also, how did he live this long anyway? Seriously. Get him out of here!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: McDohl on July 03, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
Man.  I dunno, but Stush is one of those guys who nobody expected to be a vampire, and remember back when I was Dracula?  Our last turn was Stush, because nobody expected him like the Spanish Inquisition.

So yeah, Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Stush on July 03, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
I've felt really dumb for the whole night. After I made that post, I realised that there's no good reason to target the weretiger early, it's something you should save for the last turn, all I've done is give the badguys a possible target to turn.

I think this game has taught me something, That I really shouldn't get into this kind of situation in real life. I get too excited and blurt stuff out, which just either makes me a target, or screws up things.

I am slightly pleased that some of you think I'm some kind of secret strategist, hiding a grand strategy under all my flailing about, but unfortunately, no, I'm just really bad at this.

Maybe they should make a Comic Relief Sidekick role, and bongo can just put me in that all the time.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 03, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
I am withdrawing my vote for Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: gahitsu on July 03, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
I am withdrawing my vote for Stush.

Why's that?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 03, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
I think that Stush is our best lead so far, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear more about what other people think about the Defenestration and Envy votes. If we just all pile on a single player each day, we'll rapidly find ourselves in the endgame with insufficient information to ferret out where the alliances were all along. Let's take our time with this; speeding the vote through without sufficient discussion benefits the evil teams more than the good.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 03, 2012, 06:55:24 PM
Envy's slip of the tongue yesterday that Lottel observed is probably very telling.

Or rather, it would be, if Syl didn't turn out to be a werewolf.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Defenestration on July 03, 2012, 07:50:08 PM
Envy can just as easily be a vampire, you know. Syl dying works fine for him either way then. Unless you are privy to information I am not?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 03, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
Voting for Syl, who was clearly a werewolf, was an easy thing for both the innocents and the vampires. It's true that we could look at Envy's wording as tantamount to being a vampire, but I don't think it's strong enough evidence to waste a lynch on.

In fact, I think that the evidence is so weak that it's actually kind of suspicious of Lottel to have called it out in the first place.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 03, 2012, 09:21:35 PM
Welp, looks like there was less to discuss than I thought. Stush is still our best candidate.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: dtsund on July 04, 2012, 12:32:07 PM
I'm fine voting for Stush too.

Hm... anyone else think it's weird that Dizzy claimed Syl was a vampire when he actually turned out to be a werewolf?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Kayma on July 04, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
Yes. If Dizzy had any sort of salient thoughts in his head, I couldn't figure them out.

Voting Stush because I have nothing better.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 04, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
By all means, let's continue to analyze Dizzy's posts.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 04, 2012, 01:02:39 PM
Friend's post was longer than Stush', so let's all vote for Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 04, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Seriously? Nobody else wants to even consider anyone else?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 02:06:41 PM
Ugh. Fine. Hammertime we're too close to the wire to let this many quiet players be. Report forthcoming.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Caithness on July 04, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Um, unless my count is off, that was already 7 votes. We can still discuss who we want to lynch tomorrow, though, if you want.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 02:25:54 PM
OK, as tempting as it is to vote for Bleck for spam-posting, but we're really running out of time.
HEY- VAMPS! Maybe you oughta be freaking out now, the weretiger is still out there and he could be one of yours. Kill each other, it's the only way to be sure. Same goes for you wolves, but I'm pretty sure I already know who you all are and I've got enough cash to buy wolfsbane, so fuck you guys. Innos gonna turn this shit around.

Anyway, here's a list of players who've posted once this day and only to vote for the bandwagon:
Welp, looks like there was less to discuss than I thought. Stush is still our best candidate.
I'm fine voting for Stush too.

Hm... anyone else think it's weird that Dizzy claimed Syl was a vampire when he actually turned out to be a werewolf?
Yes. If Dizzy had any sort of salient thoughts in his head, I couldn't figure them out.

Voting Stush because I have nothing better.

We also have Envy, who posted not at all.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 02:26:25 PM
Um, unless my count is off, that was already 7 votes. We can still discuss who we want to lynch tomorrow, though, if you want.

Unvoting for Stush just in case.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 02:27:37 PM
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure stush is either a bad or an unusually poor player, but we can't afford to be throwing away innos anymore, even the not-so-great ones.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Envy on July 04, 2012, 02:42:44 PM
Envy has work in the mornings and comes back when he's able.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 04, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
ATTN CLASSIC: your list is people who only posted once today to vote for Stush, yeah? 'cause I voted for Stush TWICE today.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
Yeah, you're right, I was a bit hasty... you also said this:
I think that Stush is our best lead so far, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear more about what other people think about the Defenestration and Envy votes. If we just all pile on a single player each day, we'll rapidly find ourselves in the endgame with insufficient information to ferret out where the alliances were all along. Let's take our time with this; speeding the vote through without sufficient discussion benefits the evil teams more than the good.
When, you know, the lead you're talking about is this:
Well, Dizzy put us onto Syl, who turned out to be a baddie, and syl said that Friend was a ninja weretiger, which sounds pretty scary.

I know it's pretty flimsy, but I mean, it worked before!
Which is like, an un-lead. The inverse of a lead. Unless you've got some pressing reason to think his shot in the dark (like, that you're colluding to kill innocents, for example) there's no reason to vote then unvote for him unless you've got new, serious suspicions.

I buy what Friend is saying about the numbers of bads because, he and Stush are probably both bads. Just on different teams.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 06:57:28 PM
Fuck fuck fuck not proofreading.

Yeah, you're right, I was a bit hasty... you also said this:
I think that Stush is our best lead so far, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear more about what other people think about the Defenestration and Envy votes. If we just all pile on a single player each day, we'll rapidly find ourselves in the endgame with insufficient information to ferret out where the alliances were all along. Let's take our time with this; speeding the vote through without sufficient discussion benefits the evil teams more than the good.
When, you know, the lead you're talking about is this:
Well, Dizzy put us onto Syl, who turned out to be a baddie, and syl said that Friend was a ninja weretiger, which sounds pretty scary.

I know it's pretty flimsy, but I mean, it worked before!
Which is like, an un-lead. The inverse of a lead. Unless you've got some pressing reason to think his apparent shot in the dark (like, that you're colluding to kill innocents, for example) is anything but that, there's no reason to vote then unvote for him unless you've got new, serious suspicions.

I buy what Friend is saying about the numbers of bads because, he and Stush are probably both bads. Just on different teams.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Stush on July 04, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
Well, i'm dead either way, so I might as well explain myself.

I'm the PI, I got some information, and got excited because it was the first time I had any kind of lead on who to vote for. Because I figured the weretiger is a badguy, so I should vote for him, because It's better than voting for someone i'm not sure about, you know? And I had no idea if the person who asked me to scry Friend was a vampire or not. If he was, well, we should get rid of the weretiger before the vampires turn him, was my thinking.

Afterwards I realised it was a pretty dumb move, I should have waited until we had taken out some of the vampires first. It's like I said, I just got excited and posted without thinking about it enough. Although it's not like I had any other solid leads to follow.

Chalk it up to this only being the second time i've ever played this, and the first time in like 5 years, And being a bit too gung-ho once I've got a lead. I never had a good poker face.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: gahitsu on July 04, 2012, 08:45:51 PM
Unvote Stush if it isn't too late, I'd think it'd be worthwhile to use Classic's Hammertime if it wasn't wasted.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 04, 2012, 08:56:07 PM
...fuck.

My belief that Stush wasn't the PI was based around the fact that he didn't say anything about Friend's second role as the Devil—I assumed the PI would have no reason to conceal that, as long as he was still aligned with the innocents, and so I didn't want to tip my hand to Stush (who I honestly thought was evil at the time) by showing that I knew Friend was the Devil.

Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 04, 2012, 09:11:20 PM
Vote for me if you want, but honestly, I think this just reflects poorly on you, Newbie. The only reason you would want to vote for me is if you're bad yourself.

Knowing I'm the devil and the weretiger, you must know the town has no incentive to kill me, considering I count as a human.

Even assuming I'm working with my wolf buddies, they definitely can't trust me after being outed as the weretiger. They might even kill me (which is a bad idea for them, honestly). Likewise, I have no incentive to trust them now that I'm a known enemy.

However, assuming I haven't gotten in touch with the wolves, now they know who I am and might attempt soliciting me for information. They might even work out a deal to search for the vampires first before killing me (hint, hint).

You're targeting the weretiger when the vampires are knocking on the town's door and the wolves are waiting in the back. Newbie, you've finally shown your true colors.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 09:27:16 PM
I'm just... my head is swimming right now. This is too bizarre a scenario. This is so crazy that it can't be the truth.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 09:33:36 PM
Just a reminder, people, if things are as grim as Friend says...
The nosferatus still  have their master and backup master. They will likely turn more people.
Total players: 13
Total baddies: 5-9.
Worst case scenario, innos are already outnumbered.
Keeping the weretiger around might be the only thing stalling a bad victory.
We've just had people role-call the top two most valuable innocent roles. This is nutty.
I'm still crossing my fingers that this is some absolutely insane ploy and that Stush or Friend is someone we can lynch with impunity, but I have no idea whose role-call it would make more sense to test.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 04, 2012, 10:06:39 PM
buddy, if you want crazy, here's some crazy for you:


My belief that Stush wasn't the PI was based around the fact that he didn't say anything about Friend's second role as the Devil—I assumed the PI would have no reason to conceal that, as long as he was still aligned with the innocents,
and so I didn't want to tip my hand to Stush (who I honestly thought was evil at the time) by showing that I knew Friend was the Devil.

Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.

Here's a reason stush would conceal the fact that I'm the devil: because he wanted to protect his identity. Probably from werewolves or in your case, vampires. See, here's my theory. Newbie and Stush are actually both vampires conspiring to lynch me. Stush may or may not be the PI, but if he is, he's a turned PI. The fact that he confessed that he was the PI didn't change anything in Newbie's case. He said he didn't want to tip his hand to Stush, but for some reason he does so now. Stush didn't do anything to prove that he was the PI. All he did was confess it, after Newbie basically set him up to do so:

The fact that Stush wants to kill Friend intrigues me, because I know for a fact that Friend is the weretiger: the PI accepted my bid to scry him last night. I wouldn't be admitting this right now, but since Friend is getting votes, that's enough reason to suspect at least one evil team is aware of his felinity.

The PI accepts Newbie's bid, everyone votes for Stush, and now Stush happens to be the PI? Another thing: look how Newbie talks about how I was getting votes. In fact, the only vote on me was Stush's vote. Certainly reason to suspect at least one evil team was aware of my felinity, right? Because of one vote? It's not like you're a vampire bringing up my weretiger status to get me lynched, right?

The fact that Newbie tried to divert the attention away from Stush by bringing up my weretiger status and then subsequently giving Stush an opening to claim PI, while changing his vote from Stush to me, leaves me thinking that Newbie is a vampire mastermind. One last thing:

I don't think we should vote Friend, since the wolfpires will be falling all over each other to kill him now.

Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.

I mean cmon, even if you're innocent and you think Stush is the PI, at least look for another bad guy, not the one you acknowledge would be a poor lynch.

ANYWAYS
if you're talking bizarre scenarios, I figure I'd at least get that one out of my head.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Defenestration on July 04, 2012, 10:09:45 PM
Holy shit, I left to watch explosions and get drunk and all this happens. I have no idea which way is up right now. The devil may count as an innocent, but just leaving a found weretiger seems like an incredibly poor idea at first glance. I'm going to need to think about this. The only thing that seems certain is that Stush is telling the truth if Friend outed himself as a weretiger. I'll be back later.

you dog I heard you like Hammertime etc. etc. Does it stack? Well, if it does I use it. We can't afford to make a wrong lynch today.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 04, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
Remember the last time we killed somebody when everything was all batshit insane? Turns out they were a human and just fucking with everybody for some reason.

Maybe we should shelve the scenario presented to us and use the extra time to examine some other players who've said suspicious things. Like Lottel or gahitsu, for instance.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Stush on July 04, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
Yeah, I didn't say that Friend was the devil because I was trying to do it without letting out that I was the PI. But then I figured it was either out myself or get lynched. I was originally just gonna let myself get lynched just because I felt so dumb about it. But then I realised that was sort of selfish and a waste of a lynch.

I wish I could help you guys by telling you the results of my PI scries, but all of them were innocent and they're dead now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 04, 2012, 10:23:46 PM
The devil may count as an innocent, but just leaving a found weretiger seems like an incredibly poor idea at first glance.

It does to a vampire, which you are. Possibly.

The only thing that seems certain is that Stush is telling the truth if Friend outed himself as a weretiger.

This is false, actually. It proves that Newbie knows my identity, whether from the PI or from a scry. The fact that Stush claimed PI doesn't prove anything on his part. I won't be surprised if you all are on the same team, because you do so well a job at corroborating each other's alibis.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now though, because
I have no idea which way is up right now.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Remember the last time we killed somebody when everything was all batshit insane? Turns out they were a human and just fucking with everybody for some reason.

Maybe we should shelve the scenario presented to us and use the extra time to examine some other players who've said suspicious things. Like Lottel or gahitsu, for instance.

Well, we don't know the full context of that situation. Syl might have genuinely propositioned Dizzy while masquerading as a vampire. But you're right in that you guys should probably be investigating other suspicious people.

Yeah, I didn't say that Friend was the devil because I was trying to do it without letting out that I was the PI. But then I figured it was either out myself or get lynched. I was originally just gonna let myself get lynched just because I felt so dumb about it. But then I realised that was sort of selfish and a waste of a lynch.

I wish I could help you guys by telling you the results of my PI scries, but all of them were innocent and they're dead now.

What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 04, 2012, 10:29:35 PM
My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.

In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 10:57:55 PM
The worst part about this whole thing is that realizing I was watching a bandwagon form made me forget about my character bit.

Oh, REAL PI, PLEASE DO NOT CALL AND GET TURNED. THAT WOULD BE MEGA-STUPID.
I hope you're someone who knows how to play this game like Lottel or Kayma.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 04, 2012, 10:59:51 PM
My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.

In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!
Since you're being mad bold, you should probably make sure to bold the name of the dude you're voting for so that BB can skim for bold font if he's in a hurry.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 04, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
My vote hasn't changed, but for posterity's sake, I'm currently voting for Lottel.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Lottel on July 04, 2012, 11:41:06 PM
Alright?
Listen, I don't like my name coming up so often on a page. People voting for me is one thing, but people saying my name and not voting for me is another. I don't like it.

And Bleck, I'm not sure where your hard on for my throat came from other than my post about Envy being suspicious but I still think Envy's off and I'm not taking that back.

The way he phrased his vote just rings "Bad voting for another bad to look innocent" to me. If you don't see it that way, fine. But he tends to trip up on that sort of thing often and it's usually a pretty solid sign. He's been quiet thanks to his job and I can't blame him for that, but it also leads me with the unpleasant task of feeling he's a bad with nothing to show for it other than one word.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 05, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
You realize that using a player's actions in a previous game to justify your 'suspicion' implies that you have no good reason from this game, right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Lottel on July 05, 2012, 12:41:45 AM
I'm saying Envy has a history of tripping over words in a manner that openly spells out what team he is on. I see here another instance occurring and I am pointing it out. If you don't like it, fine.
But I still feel it's worth noting.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Stush on July 05, 2012, 12:55:38 AM

What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?

You wanted me to scry caithness, but the Fog machine was deployed.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: McDohl on July 05, 2012, 03:38:39 AM
I got the glasses in the last auction.

Who shall I scan tonight?

I'm going to retract my vote for Stush in light of the new commentary as well.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 05, 2012, 08:18:03 AM
sup thread, posting from my phone. I wish to address the notion that i somehow just "knew" that stush was the pi after he'd done nothing to prove it, and that my vote  for friend  was somehow obvious proof of my vampirism.

stush is obviously the pi because in general people do not concoct massive convoluted cover stories when they're cornered--more often, they snap the way friend did. stush's behavior is not that of a player who tried to be too sneaky and is trying to cover up. he's the pi, and he's more than likely innocent, i would guess.

in my haste to remove my vote, i put it on friend even though i'd just said earlier in the day that we shouldn't lynch him. let me fix that now: Kayma is flying under the radar in a way that makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Kayma on July 05, 2012, 01:54:33 PM
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty confident that Stush shouldn't be lynched. So let's go ahead and rescind that.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 05, 2012, 02:24:07 PM

What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?

You wanted me to scry caithness, but the Fog machine was deployed.

I can now confirm that either Stush is the PI or he is communicating with the PI.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 05, 2012, 04:12:08 PM
I missed a day.

It seems Stush did reach 7 votes. However, almost immediately afterward, Classic deployed a Hammertime and rescinded his vote, bringing the tally back under 7. I want to ensure that everybody has a chance to respond to events, at least when there are still so many players left alive. Given the sheer number of people who apparently regretted their votes, the copious duration of my absence, and the fact that more has happened after the Hammertime than before it, my ruling is that the rescindment stands, and Stush will live for now.

I'll ensure that the rules on this point are more explicit in the next version.

Since two Hammertimes were deployed, the day will continue until tomorrow evening.

My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.

In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!

Bleck has activated his Betting token, giving him triple vote power for today only. If the person he chooses is indeed lynched, and turns out to be human, Bleck will also be lynched! Otherwise, nothing special happens (but the token is used up anyway).

The current vote tallies stand thus:

Lottel: 3
Stush: 2
Defenestration: 1
Envy: 1
Friend: 1
Kayma: 1
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Caithness on July 05, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
Well, I'm pretty sure that either Bleck or Lottel (or both) is bad, so why let the token go to waste?

Lottel
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 05, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
If Bleck's betting his life on Lottel being a baddie, I see no reason not to test his hypothesis.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: gahitsu on July 05, 2012, 05:24:57 PM
If Bleck's betting his life on Lottel being a baddie, I see no reason not to test his hypothesis.

I'm pretty happy with this sentiment myself. Votin' Lottel.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Lottel on July 05, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Fffffine. I hate roll claiming but I'm the oracle and I want to make sure my scries aren't wasted like last time I was a seer role. I scried a Wolfy Kayma first night, human Friday second night, then a vamp Zara, and last was a wolf Envy.

I was HOPING to be able to collect more evidence against the two remaining alive on my list before trying to rally against them but there you have it. Kayma and Envy are wolf buddies and I have no idea if Bleck just has a hair up his butt or is trying to protect wolfy brethren (I actually suspect the former in this case).

In any case, I'm going out drinking for the night.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Caithness on July 05, 2012, 06:01:21 PM
What about night 0?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Classic on July 05, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
3 role calls today, and the whole mess is making a mess of who I thought was working with who.

Anyway... this really isn't the time to be piling onto a suspect in a hurry. Nor is it the time to double down and potentially double-lynch innocents today.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bleck on July 05, 2012, 07:11:13 PM
What about night 0?

Yeah, seems odd that the oracle would only have four scries to report to us.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 05, 2012, 07:15:26 PM
Alright, I was going to wait until Lottel revealed his night 0 scry, but I figure what's the point? This is an obvious vampire bluff. Honestly, it doesn't really help me at the moment to kill vampires, but I'm going to die tonight anyways. So here it is:

 Bleck - Oracle/Vampire Hunter
 Caithness - Wolf
 Classic - Inno
 Defenestration - Vampire
 dtsund - Inno
 Envy - Wolf
 Friend - Weretiger
 gahitsu - Vampire/Wolf
 jsnlxndrlv - Vampire/Baner/Vampire Hunter
 Kayma - Wolf
 Lottel - Vampire
 McDohl - Vampire
 Stush - PI

This is basically how I think the role list stands. I'm not accounting for many special human roles, because I am assuming many of them are turned.

Fffffine. I hate roll claiming but I'm the oracle and I want to make sure my scries aren't wasted like last time I was a seer role. I scried a Wolfy Kayma first night, human Friday second night, then a vamp Zara, and last was a wolf Envy.

See how Lottel, Kayma, and Envy fit nicely together there? He just so happens to have scried two wolves and he just so happens to out them when he's being piled on. Of course, the only vampire he's scried is already dead and Friday's also dead. Notice how he votes to get rid of the wolves when we've already established that we need to get rid of the vampires. The only reason he's bringing up their identities now is to get the heat off of himself.

I was HOPING to be able to collect more evidence against the two remaining alive on my list before trying to rally against them but there you have it. Kayma and Envy are wolf buddies

What a bullshit excuse. What evidence? If you've scried them as wolves you can always make up some cheap accusation that everyone else can relate to, like so:

Kayma is a low volume and low content poster. He doesn't add to the discussion and only pops his head in to vote for innocents. He's obviously a wolf because he's only posting enough to avoid slipping up.

 I mean, you've already got Newbie voting for Kayma. Once you start in on the accusations others who feel the same way will fall in line behind you. I'm betting that the vampires have already turned the oracle, which is why you know the oracle won't role claim against you. You guys should definitely kill Kayma and Envy now that Lottel has confirmed them as wolves, but make no mistake; Lottel is most definitely a vampire.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Friend on July 05, 2012, 07:31:22 PM
I forgot to mention I made this list before Lotte posted, so things like Bleck being the oracle aren't valid anymore. I just forgot to take that in to account on my list.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Kayma on July 05, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
Well, I'm quite convinced Lottel is a monster now. That should make 7, right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Defenestration on July 05, 2012, 11:28:54 PM
Lottel is definately scum. There is no question of that. But I'm still not convinced that leaving Friend alive is good idea for *anyone.* Hypothetical scenario; Vampires turn and win and use the Assassin's Blade up for bid up tonight. If lottel turns out to be a wolf, vamps just fufilled a winning condition, winning the game for Friend. We can kill Lottel tommorrow, and I encourage it in fact.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Lottel on July 05, 2012, 11:33:45 PM
You guys are all missing the night where the scry-sucker was deployed. And I was trying to figure out Defen that night. Night 0 was Kayma. We worked well in the past and I respect him as a player. I figured if he was bad then I'd need to watch out and if he was good, then I'd want to team up.

As for outing wolves when I'm going to die? I figured as soon as back thrice voted for me, I was going to die, so I wanted to make sure my scries weren't wasted. It wasn't a stall tactic, it wasn't trying to throw heat off. This is my final act as a player, I'm going to die, but here are two bad guys that I know of.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 5
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 06, 2012, 12:05:00 AM
Lottel has said his piece, and it's been two and a half hours. I'm calling it.

You kill Lottel. Luckily for Bleck, he was a Vampire Oracle, so no innocent blood was shed this day.

The night, however, is another matter. Let's have it, folks.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 5
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 07, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
On the morning of Day 6, you find Bleck and jsnlxndrlv dead.

Bleck was an ordinary human, and he went to the grave with the Betting Token and the Human-Seeking Scrier, both used.

jsnlxndlv was Dracula, and he had no items.

Additionally, it seems Zaratustra's grave has been disturbed, and the treasures within (10 gold and the Almost Undetectable Poison) pilfered.

Today's Auction House items are:
The Auction House itself, which lets the owner choose one of the three items for sale each day and grants one extra gold per day!
The Fursuit, which conceals the owner's identity from scries!
The Lightsaber, which lets the owner kill one person during the day (but only once)! Everybody knows if you win it.
Additionally, you can still buy wolfsbane for 4 golds, and it still costs 6 gold to resurrect Frankenstein.

There are 10 players alive, meaning it takes 6 to kill:
Caithness
Classic
Defenestration
dtsund
Envy
Friend
gahitsu
Kayma
McDohl
Stush
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 07, 2012, 01:35:37 PM
You know, I'm kind of surprised nobody brought LaserBeing back last night. It's kind of getting down to the wire already, and we could use an extra body. Also, it's probably about time we got rid of Friend. If he's still alive at the end of the day today, he's got a real shot at winning.

Who did you use your Seer's Glasses on, McDohl? Did you find us a vampire? Are you a vampire?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: McDohl on July 07, 2012, 02:41:11 PM
I hadn't gotten any real input on who to scan, so I didn't.

Sorry.  I'm in this for the team, so I need some input.

And why Friend?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 07, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
I can put in 3 gold to the reconstitute Laser-fund.

How many potential kills are there going to be today?
We've got the dagger, the poison, the 2 bad kills, the lynch... Am I forgetting anything?


Yeah, you're right Caith, there's enough killing power to end the game today for sure. But I seriously doubt that Friend alone can marshal it, especially since he counts toward innocent victory.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 07, 2012, 02:54:27 PM
And why Friend?

Because he's the Weretiger, of course.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 07, 2012, 03:07:39 PM
And Caithness wants to do the bad's dirty work for them.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 07, 2012, 03:12:02 PM
I can put in 3 gold to the reconstitute Laser-fund.

Each contributor has to be able to pay the full six gold personally, but if more than one person contributes, they won't be charged that much. It's like how the auction house only charges you enough to win but you still have to be able to meet your full bid.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 07, 2012, 03:15:38 PM
And Caithness wants to do the bad's dirty work for them.

Would you prefer to let the Weretiger win? Today could very well be the last of the game.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 07, 2012, 03:16:50 PM
It's not going to be if the bads have to wait to kill the weretiger. The weretiger is a shield to keep one team from winning in a hurry.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 07, 2012, 04:01:51 PM
And Caithness wants to do the bad's dirty work for them.

Would you prefer to let the Weretiger win? Today could very well be the last of the game.

seriously, this is a strategy that relies on the bads incompetence. If you think the wolves and the vampires are stupid enough to trigger a win condition when they know the weretiger is alive and they know my identity, then by all means, vote for me. But I will reiterate:the fact that you're voting for me is a sign that you aren't innocent.

Another thing:

 
Lottel is definately scum. There is no question of that. But I'm still not convinced that leaving Friend alive is good idea for *anyone.* Hypothetical scenario; Vampires turn and win and use the Assassin's Blade up for bid up tonight. If lottel turns out to be a wolf, vamps just fufilled a winning condition, winning the game for Friend. We can kill Lottel tommorrow, and I encourage it in fact.

notice a common theme? Defenestration's hypothesis of my victory also relied on a vampire team competent enough to trigger a win condition but too incompetent to kill a known weretiger. It's also obvious that Defenestration is a vampire trying to save Lottel, which is why he concocted such a bullshit hypothetical scenario. I mean, c'mon. Do you really think I'm going to win due to the bads all deciding to fuck up simultaneously?  It's obvious I can't win because I'm a known entity and at the mercy of the lynch, wolves, vampires, vigilante, and anyone with a killing item, but I can certainly expose as many people willing to out themselves to me.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 07, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
Since today is probably the final day and because I'm not going to win, let me print my final list of suspects:

Caithness - Vampire
Classic - Ninja
Defenestration - Vampire
dtsund - Seer
Envy - Wolf
Friend - deviltiger
gahitsu - Wolfh
Kayma - Wolf
McDohl - ???
Stush - Pi/turned PI

You innocents need to figure out who to kill carefully.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 07, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
I mean, c'mon. Do you really think I'm going to win due to the bads all deciding to fuck up simultaneously?

I believe you're counting on it. The wolves and vampires could both lose at a game of chicken: each one wants the other to be the one to kill you, and they keep putting it off until it's too late.

But you're right. Our set of bads this time does seem to at least be more competent than the ones in the last game. They've at least managed to avoid killing themselves on each other. Perhaps one of them will be more likely to pull away and pull the trigger on you tonight. Vote rescinded.

I've still got plenty of reason to suspect Defenestration of being a bad, but McDohl's sitting on a scry instead of using it also seems very nefarious to me. You didn't happen to peek at either of them with your devil powers last night, did you?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 07, 2012, 11:22:12 PM
I mean, c'mon. Do you really think I'm going to win due to the bads all deciding to fuck up simultaneously?

I believe you're counting on it. The wolves and vampires could both lose at a game of chicken: each one wants the other to be the one to kill you, and they keep putting it off until it's too late.

This is pointless explaining to you since you're a bad anyways, but if I really planned on winning through the bads, why did I bother lynching lottel? I told everyone that he was a vampire ahead of time, and was he not a vampire? I told everyone not to kill Dizzy even though it was in my best interest to kill innocents. It honestly was not in my best interest to kill vampires, since my key to victory would be to widen the gap between the winning team and everyone else. At this point I'm just doing whatever I feel like is in the best interest for the innocents, since I like to root for the underdogs.


But you're right. Our set of bads this time does seem to at least be more competent than the ones in the last game.
They've at least managed to avoid killing themselves on each other. Perhaps one of them will be more likely to pull away and pull the trigger on you tonight. Vote rescinded.
You've misinterpreted me; intentionally or not, I'm not really sure, but I wasn't comparing the competence of this game's bads to last game's bads. And I wouldn't say they've avoided killing each other, since I'm assuming the wolves must have killed dracula. Anyways, I'm sure they've likely decided to pull the trigger on killing me; for all I know, you've probably dug up zaratustra's grave to poison me.

I've still got plenty of reason to suspect Defenestration of being a bad, but McDohl's sitting on a scry instead of using it also seems very nefarious to me. You didn't happen to peek at either of them with your devil powers last night, did you?

Look, drop the pretense, alright? you're obviously backpedaling to disassociate yourself from your vampire buddies. Or are you a wolf? I forget. Anyways, if you've been paying attention to my posts, I've pretty clearly outlined who I have and haven't scried.

Classic, I would appreciate it if you flipped and and killed Caithness. It would clear up this situation immensely. Of course, you're probably wondering why you should trust me. Here's my case: if you feel like it, go back and read my posts: I haven't told a single lie this entire game. I am the only villain who can claim this: Caithness, whose identity is unknown, and has been relatively unhelpful most of this game, shouldn't be nearly as trustworthy as I am. I've done nothing but help the innocents this entire game and I've been upfront with my motives. If you decide to trust someone like Caithness over me, then quite honestly, you and the innos deserve to lose. Of course, this is all assuming that you're still innocent, which, quite honestly, might not be the case. I'm assuming you're still innocent based on your posts. If you're not innocent, you can disregard the case I've made to kill Caithness, since you're probably on the same side anyways.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 07, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
Since today is probably the final day and because I'm not going to win, let me print my final list of suspects:

Caithness - Vampire
Classic - Ninja
Defenestration - Vampire
dtsund - Seer
Envy - Wolf
Friend - deviltiger
gahitsu - Wolfh
Kayma - Wolf
McDohl - ???
Stush - Pi/turned PI

You innocents need to figure out who to kill carefully.
I'm a little miffed you told everyone I'm the ninja, but whatever.

I'm basically the shittiest turn/kill on the board since I'm likely to kill myself and I can afford to grandstand a little:
Innocents, we need to force the bads to kill each other and kill Friend if we want to win.
Keeping at least one bad from each team alive extends the game a little longer.

At this point, I believe that Friend is playing more-or-less straight. His only hope is if one team doesn't realize how close they are to a victory, but if he's right, it will take at the minimum 3 deaths to finish the game. I can't flip out because then all he would need to do is murder a non-wolf to claim victory.

I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.

Caithness, if you use the undetectable poison to kill Friend or you'll lose for sure. Please don't throw the game like a chump.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 08, 2012, 12:34:41 AM

I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.


Who were you thinking of picking?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Kayma on July 08, 2012, 01:49:12 AM
I agree with Classic; let the monsters waste their time killing The Friend.

I can't recall a game where I've been so spectacularly in the dark, but if you're asking me who to pick, I'd want to try McDohl, since he seems to be an enigma to our esteemed weretiger.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 10:42:13 AM

I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.


Who were you thinking of picking?

I didn't have an opinion between the two players that Lottel put forward (Kayma or Envy). The Devil/Weretiger friend corroborated on both, but I can't think of a reason for the vampires to mislead us about who the wolves are. Also, Lottel thinks pretty highly of Kayma's wolf abilities, so it'd fit his MO to scry Kayma, which is why I always lump them together.

So the question is, do we want to test these calls on the known strong player who's participating (Kayma) or the player of questionable ability who's currently being quiet, ostensibly due to work (Envy). I'm out of my hammertime to wait for Envy to pop in and defend himself.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 08, 2012, 11:14:38 AM
Well Classic, you've forced my hand. I still don't know how many vampires are in the game but you can't always get what you want. I use my pendant on Caithness.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Kayma on July 08, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
 :pop:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 08, 2012, 12:17:09 PM
Waiting for the pendant to resolve before placing my own vote.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 08, 2012, 01:14:21 PM
Well, unless he was bluffing and doesn't actually have the pendant, I'm dead. But maybe there's still time for me to call Air Bud with my dying breath.

And now that I can't use the poison to take out Friend, you're going to have to forego your turn tonight and kill him, Defenestration. He's sure to buy Wolfsbane to prevent a wolf-kill, after all.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 08, 2012, 01:22:14 PM

I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.


Who were you thinking of picking?

I didn't have an opinion between the two players that Lottel put forward (Kayma or Envy). The Devil/Weretiger friend corroborated on both, but I can't think of a reason for the vampires to mislead us about who the wolves are. Also, Lottel thinks pretty highly of Kayma's wolf abilities, so it'd fit his MO to scry Kayma, which is why I always lump them together.

So the question is, do we want to test these calls on the known strong player who's participating (Kayma) or the player of questionable ability who's currently being quiet, ostensibly due to work (Envy). I'm out of my hammertime to wait for Envy to pop in and defend himself.

But classic, we have a "Known" wolf. You scried them using the PI [Who is me] last night, Why didn't you put their name forwards as someone to go after? I didn't say anything because I was waiting to see what you said, and that you said you wanted to go after a "known" wolf and then name two people who aren't the wolf we scried last night is sort of suspicious.

I want to wait to see what you have to say for yourself, see if you have some kind of strategy. Unfortunately, since i need to go to class now and i'll be there all day, I probably won't be back until it's too late, and we don't really have time to spare, so i'm just gonna have to blurt it out, like usual.

Gahitsu is a werewolf.

[Sorry, guys, I wanted to be more strategic, but I have to go away all freaking day, and if I held it in and we lynched an innocent or something, I'd feel like a total idiot. :(]
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
Because Gahitsu is also the vampire hunter. That's why. He's a character who ferret out which of Friend's vampire role claims are accurate at no risk to the innocents.

Oh shit, you're a vampire. God dammit.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 08, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Now might be a good time for you to flip out and kill Friend.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 08, 2012, 02:01:59 PM
*rolls eyes* Go die already. Cait has no reason to lie about being a wolf from my perspective. Let's shoot for one of the other confirmed wolves. Envy is incompetent, so I vote for Kayma.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
I can't flip out, if the innocents want any chance of winning I need to save my flip out for a critical bad. Not a known bad that both teams should be killing tonight.

OK. I "know" who four wolves are:
Caithness;
Envy?;
Kayma?;
Gahitsu.

Envy and Kayma are suspect because I didn't see that info myself, but again, I can't imagine Lottel having any reason to lie.

Defenestration is probably some mode of vampire, but we're a lot more in the dark about them because both Lottel and Friend have reason to lie about who is and isn't one.
We've got one of the original vamps dead, and 3 turned dead. With the worst-case turned count of 5, I'm the last innocent.
With the best-case turned count, we've got one vampire.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 08, 2012, 03:07:13 PM
And now that I can't use the poison to take out Friend, you're going to have to forego your turn tonight and kill him, Defenestration. He's sure to buy Wolfsbane to prevent a wolf-kill, after all.

No shit I'm going to buy wolfsbane, but if you kill me, defenestration, you're leaving yourself to get fucked up the ass by the wolves.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 03:24:03 PM
Don't buy his bluff. He's got to get the lightsaber if he wants any chance of winning. He can't afford to buy up wolfsbane. I can't believe I'm agreeing with a known vamp, but I think we've gotta get Kayma so that Gahitsu can use the vampire hunter power to kill him, and let the wolves proper kill Friend.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 03:30:32 PM
Oh yeah, we need to resurrect Laser Being to buy precious turns to kill bads. I'm going to go in for it, and also try to drive up the price on the lightsaber if I can't bar Friend from buying it entirely.

Good luck guys.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 08, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
Caithness melts under the silvery light of the silvery pendant of silver. He was a lycanthrope and nothing else. He was unable to summon his faithful hound to make everybody play basketball, unfortunately.

He went to his grave with: a used Thief's Glove, an unused Air Bud, the Money Tree, and a used Assassin's Blade.

The day now continues without him; with nine players alive it now takes only five votes to lynch someone.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 08, 2012, 06:53:05 PM
why would you vote for me if you didn't even have the poison
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Kayma on July 08, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Why would you do anything you've done today?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 08, 2012, 08:38:09 PM
...to delay my imminent demise?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 08:48:13 PM
Well, his goal is to win, obviously. That's why he wanted me so desperately to flip out and screw the innocents over.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 08, 2012, 09:22:26 PM
Well, his goal is to win, obviously. That's why he wanted me so desperately to flip out and screw the innocents over.

Well, not exactly. I just didn't want to waste my pendant on Caithness. The thing you don't understand is, just because I'm helping you guys out, doesn't mean I'm going to just roll over and die. If I perceive an immediate threat to my well being (as I thought Caithness was, because he voted for me after the poison was dug up), I'm going to try to defend myself. Anyways, is it really a good idea to kill Kayma at this point? I haven't really thought it through but after killing Caithness, the timing doesn't really seem right.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 08, 2012, 09:56:50 PM
This was another bit of a screwup, which I have to attribute to having to rush in the morning because a new class started. I thought the day would be over before I got back from class, I got onto the computer with like 15 minutes to go before I had to leave, Enough time to read the posts, If I had've stayed home, I would have vaguely asked classic why he didn't out the person he got me to scry, But I had to go, I was in a rush, When I was in the car, I realised it'd make no sense for a vampire to cover up for the vampire hunter.

I am just not cut out for this game, And this will definitely be the last time I play, it's been nothing but me screwing up and messing the game up for everyone, and stressing myself out. I blame Bongobill for this mess. He should have known better than to ask me!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 08, 2012, 10:35:21 PM
Don't get sad. The stress and paranoia is supposed to be the fun-cathartic part of the game. It's OK.


I haven't really thought it through but after killing Caithness, the timing doesn't really seem right.
I don't understand what you mean by this.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 08, 2012, 11:00:12 PM
Friend thinks Kayma is a wolf, I'm guessing he's saying that if we get rid of kayma, and he turns out to be a wolf, there won't be many wolves left, sort of leaving the vampires to run wild and free.

Every badguy we kill is one less to worry about, though! One less vote that might not be in our interests, one less target to scry.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: gahitsu on July 09, 2012, 12:38:37 AM
Holy bukkake this thread went places~. And yeah, Stush, the panic manic is part of the fun. Who doesn't love freaking the fuck out?

Hey you crazy cats: Defen is Orox. He's also probably Drac 2.0 since before today, he didn't have a lot of heat on him and it's not exactly a huge secret that Stush is turned. If you give a shit about winning as innocents, you should probably give a shit about killing the guy who's likely the one to turn you.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 09, 2012, 01:03:46 AM
How are you so goddamn certain that I am a vampire *specifically* anyway, might I ask? Certain I'm not a wolf? And if you are, why are you not targeting wolves? I understand if it will be difficult for you to see things from a town perspective now but I ask you to *try.* Compare how many vampire deaths there have been to wolf deaths. How many nights have the vampires scried instead of turning? There certainly can't be that many left, but somewhere around 4-5 wolves. We need to have wolves die, not vampires. It's ideal to even out the numbers of both sides for town, letting them pick each other off. The fact that you're so dead set on hunting vampires when we have not one but *two* wolf leads calls your allegiance into question. Wolf.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Kayma on July 09, 2012, 06:52:40 AM
You know, now that I think about it, this thing has gone on long enough that I don't think we'll get a majority unless one of the monster teams falls in line with the voting. Maybe the only vote the three teams can agree on is to lynch Friend?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 09, 2012, 08:57:40 AM
It's certainly in your best interest to kill me, and now it is in my best interest to kill you, Kayma.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 09, 2012, 09:19:59 AM
Yeah Gahitsu, stush is probably turned, so you should use your special powers to get rid of Defen.
And no Kayma, we're not going to do your dirty work. If you want friend to die, you'll need to do it on your own power. The best concession you'll get from the innocents, is to vote for Envy instead of you because you've got the nearly undetectable poison and that's how you want to deal with Friend.




Just a reminder:
The remaining wolves are:
Gahitsu (PI Scry last night), who is also the vampire hunter, a role that can attempt a night-kill on a vampire at no risk to the innocents;
Kayma (turned oracle's testimony);
and Envy (turned oracles testimony).

Friend is the weretiger and the devil, who counts as an innocent, but wins alone if alive.

Stush is the PI, probably turned (by personal claim and testimony of Friend, personal testimony).

Defenestration is probably a vampire of some kind. It could be that he's the last, which makes the wolves winning much easier, because they'd only need to account for half of the players instead of more than half (the reverse is true for the vampires). Which is why I'm leery of killing him when, like Friend, it seems like a job that the wolves will want to do for us.
At most the vampires have 2 living turns, plus one of the original pair. I don't think that we need to focus on killing vampires, because we can leave Gahitsu, the wolf/vampire hunter until last, because they're able to night-kill vampires at without risking innocents.

I'm the Ninja. I've got the ability to sacrifice myself for a during-the day kill.

Among the following players:
dtsund;
McDohl;
Defenestration.

There is an original vampire, a seer, and the wolfsbaner.

That's the game. We can still win this, but we can't make any mistakes, and we need to drag the game out so that we give the bads enough time to kill each other.

The lightsaber is up for auction. Everyone should bid the remainder of their cash on it to drive up the price so that Friend can't sneak a victory condition.
The fursuit and the auction house are probably worthless at this stage.
We should resurrect Laser Being.
If you're worried about the wolves killing you, you can get wolfsbane for 4 gold.

While Gahitsu is alive, there will never be ANY reason to kill Friend, because we can make Gahitsu, whatever vampires are around, or I suppose whoever gets the lightsaber do it for us.

Anyone who wants to kill Friend is doing so because they think that the game will end in their favor on their night actions, but don't have the resources to do whatever will make them win and kill Friend (who counts as an innocent).



I don't know if there's anything else I can do. Except to keep repeating, "we can still win."
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 09, 2012, 09:38:02 AM
Oh lastly: We should resurrect Laserbeing.
You need 6 gold on-hand, though it may cost less.
He's one more innocent and one more barrier to a bad victory.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Envy on July 09, 2012, 05:00:57 PM
Perhaps it is you classic that is not the last innocent. I can easily resurrect laserbeing my self, It's who has the bomb that's the troublesome part.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 09, 2012, 06:46:33 PM
Envy, you're already a doubly-confirmed wolf. Nobody takes anything you say seriously anymore.
Also that didn't actually make sense.

Also, also, are you threatening me, the flipping Ninja that you're going to kill him for having you lynched?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 09, 2012, 11:45:24 PM
I'm not turned, I just tend to run on impulse at times, as i've said before.

I put some cash towards resurrecting Frankenstein too, I am a big fan of Lee-Ham and would like to see him among us again.

I've been looking through the old PI records of who scried who to see if there's any patterns relating to known badguys. But unfortunately, there isn't really anything to go on there. All the people that known or suspected bads voted for me to go after are either dead or already confirmed. It's amazing how many people wanted me to find out who Friday was, I could have just scried her each night and made a heap of cash.

I honestly don't know who to vote for. The roles that we already know for certain, maybe voting for them is a waste of time, because we can clear them out whenever went want, basically. We know friend is the weretiger, we can always take him out when there's only one bad left, We know Gahitsu is a wolf, we can always take him out whenever we want.

I guess i'm gonna vote along with Classic and go for Envy, Hopefully my nighttime scry can find out who the last vampire is, and we can clear them out. I just hope i'm not making a mistake.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 10, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
The current vote tallies are:

Kayma: 2
Defenestration: 1
Envy: 1
Friend: 1

Because the Silver Pendant was used, I'm going to let Day 6 run for another 24 hours.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 10, 2012, 01:17:54 AM
I voted for Envy as part of that big block of text.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 10, 2012, 01:38:49 AM
I voted for Envy as part of that big block of text.

How embarrassing.

The current vote tallies are:
Kayma: 2
Envy: 2
Defenestration: 1
Friend: 1
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: McDohl on July 10, 2012, 04:17:13 AM
I'm thinking Gahitsu.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: gahitsu on July 10, 2012, 04:43:08 AM
Vamps sure are steamrolling to off the vampire hunter.  :nyoro~n:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 10, 2012, 08:52:55 AM
Here's why I didn't want to vote for a wolf (though I  did one anyways due to petty revenge voting): I can't determine how many vampires are still in this game.  I don't know how many nights the vampires spent scying, but since the vamps aren't saying anything, I can only guess.

We already know Defenestration is a vampire through deduction.
Mcdohl is the baner though he could be turned. He could also have the poison and be plotting to kill gahitsu now that gahitsu's been outed as the hunter.
Dtsund is the seer though he could be turned. dtsund, you might as well tell us who you scribed at this point because you're not helping anybody by being this quiet.

Stush may or may not be turned. I really don't know at this point.

That leaves me with Classic. I originally thought you were innocent, but now I'm not so sure. You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves. First of all, if I was planning this elaborate set up to win, why would I leave my only chance of victory to a mad dash at the lightsaber? That is, in my opinion, a stupid fucking plan. Secondly, the reason I would feel more comfortable killing vampires than wolves is the wolves are a known entity to me. I haven't scried a single vampire this whole game. I really don't want to leave this night down to an unknown entity like that. Lastly, You've said there can only be 2 possible vamp turns, and 1 original vampire. The thing is, how do we know Newbie didn't turn someone the night he died? This is possible due to the mystery surrounding Newbie's cause of death and the turn order. Was Newbie killed by gahitsu, or by the assassin blade? if so, they kill him after he has already turned. If Newbie was wolf killed, and Bleck was assassinated, then you're right that there's 3 max vampires. But if you're a lying vamp, this could very well be a sneak attempt by the vampires to sweep this game. And that's why I'm uncomfortable with killing a wolf.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 10, 2012, 09:04:19 AM
Gahitsu seems like a fine plan to me, especially if we have a consensus imo.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 10, 2012, 10:47:22 AM
tomorrow we find out stush mcdohl and defenestration are all vampires
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Kayma on July 10, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
tomorrow we find out stush mcdohl and defenestration are all vampires

More or less. Want to join a bandwagon that mathematically cannot occur? I'll start. Defenestration
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 10, 2012, 01:24:09 PM
[I had a whole thing written out and then the cat sat on my mouse and hit the back button and it all got deleted]

I'm gonna switch my vote to Defenestration.

I'm not really sure of anything, i'm just going on a hunch, which is about the strongest lead i've got.

Remember to use the PI tonight, guys. Even if you think i'm turned. I still can't give you inaccurate information.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 10, 2012, 01:30:57 PM
Why do you switch your vote around the second anyone votes for you or expresses suspicion about you, Stush?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 10, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
Also, did you miss this entire post?

How are you so goddamn certain that I am a vampire *specifically* anyway, might I ask? Certain I'm not a wolf? And if you are, why are you not targeting wolves? I understand if it will be difficult for you to see things from a town perspective now but I ask you to *try.* Compare how many vampire deaths there have been to wolf deaths. How many nights have the vampires scried instead of turning? There certainly can't be that many left, but somewhere around 4-5 wolves. We need to have wolves die, not vampires. It's ideal to even out the numbers of both sides for town, letting them pick each other off. The fact that you're so dead set on hunting vampires when we have not one but *two* wolf leads calls your allegiance into question. Wolf.

Do you refute this logic, Stush? If so explain why, like Friend did.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 10, 2012, 02:20:38 PM
Do you refute this logic, Stush? If so explain why, like Friend did.

I like how you're now calling for Stush to refute your logic after ignoring every accusation I threw at you
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 10, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
What's there to refute? Through poor wording I *did* make myself look like a vampire and I don't have any evidence to the contrary. I'm not going to waste everyone's time and make myself look like a fool refuting that when I have nothing to say other than "Guys I'm not a vampire please believe me". Also you are both the weretiger and an extremely good player that I would not put past Batman level schemes. The fact that anyone takes your advice after being confirmed as the weretiger still is amazing, though irrelevant since it looks like you just got poisoned by Kayma.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 10, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
Here's why I didn't want to vote for a wolf (though I  did one anyways due to petty revenge voting): I can't determine how many vampires are still in this game... I would feel more comfortable killing vampires than wolves is the wolves are a known entity to me.
As a scrier, you goddamned idiot, the more time passes the more known entities you have. Getting rid of wolves means that we're not risking innocents on the lynch.

But you know that, you're trying to trigger a victory condition while you're still alive, and every wolf that dies represents a longer span of time that you have to hold out against death.

I haven't scried a single vampire this whole game. I really don't want to leave this night down to an unknown entity like that. Lastly, You've said there can only be 2 possible vamp turns, and 1 original vampire. The thing is, how do we know Newbie didn't turn someone the night he died?
That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn. Unless the rules have changed, vamps don't get night 0 actions. Only the oracle does. If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves.
No, you're wrong again. I keep mentioning the danger you represent TO the wolves. Because I want them, Envy, Kayma and Gahitsu, to work on killing you and the remaining vamps rather than trying to rush a victory by killing innocents and giving you a win.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 10, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
Remember to use the PI tonight, guys. Even if you think i'm turned. I still can't give you inaccurate information.

This is why I've never called for you to be lynched. It's good advice either way.

But seriously, it's pretty obvious that defenestration is a vampire, we know it and the wolves know it, so let the wolves deal with him for us, especially since they already have Gahitsu.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 10, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
Classic, you're missing my point.

it looks like you just got poisoned by Kayma.

You're probably right.

As a scrier, you goddamned idiot, the more time passes the more known entities you have. Getting rid of wolves means that we're not risking innocents on the lynch.

Obviously I get more scries as time goes on. The problem is, tonight is likely the last night and therefore I'm not getting any more scries. In the mean time, any and all of you innocents can be vampires at this point. Killing wolves means we're not risking more innocents to the lynch, but it does mean we're risking more innocents to Dracula two. You mentioned earlier that you're a bad turn because you're likely to self complode. However, I feel if you're not turned already, then tonight is a great night to turn you because turning you simultaneously neuters the innocents of their only active player and you can be used as a weapon to take out the wolves. Especially if we kill another wolf, then with two wolves left, a ninja flip leaves the wolf team with one player and a vampire win.

That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn. Unless the rules have changed, vamps don't get night 0 actions. Only the oracle does. If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

Classic, I'm not sure what you're talking about. 5 nights, 5 turns, means a possible 7 vampires. We've killed 3 vampires, leaving a possible 4:
(this next paragraph is hypothetical)Defenestration, you, Stush, and Mcdohl. Stush, Mcdohl, and Defenestration already voted for gahitsu. Theoretically, they would need one more vote on gahitsu from anybody, leaving you to switch your vote to gahitsu and round out the day by taking out your most pressing threat and weakening the wolf team.

Also,
Dracula has a Night 0 scry.


You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves.
No, you're wrong again. I keep mentioning the danger you represent TO the wolves. Because I want them, Envy, Kayma and Gahitsu, to work on killing you and the remaining vamps rather than trying to rush a victory by killing innocents and giving you a win.

This would certainly help the vamps in the scenario I present. They wouldn't even have to worry about the wolves taking out their satellite members, since they would be targeting me. Which, of course, would lead to their win condition- 9 Players currently, -1 wolf, -1 weretiger = 7 players total, 4 vamps, game over. That's not even taking into account their own night kill, which would counteract their dracula being murdered by gahitsu.

Last issue:
If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

Why would they possibly want us to think there are more vampires than the amount currently living? Less, I could understand. More is just crazy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: dtsund on July 10, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Dtsund is the seer though he could be turned. dtsund, you might as well tell us who you scribed at this point because you're not helping anybody by being this quiet.
Yep.  Sorry, been busy lately, didn't have time to respond to this until now.

I can confirm that gahitsu is indeed a wolf.  Of my other three (non-blocked) scans, two of them were Nickasummers and Ardus on the very nights that they died.  Go me.

I'm unwilling to divulge the identity of the last one publically, since the person in question is neither guilty nor in danger of being lynched, and I don't want to give the wolfpires any more information.  I've talked to said person in private, however.

Anyway, guys, let's not forget that friend Friend is the weretiger, and as such will want to kill whatever faction he regards as weaker so that he can have a shot at winning.  I see that as good enough reason to just vote for gahitsu.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 10, 2012, 06:21:07 PM
I feel if you're not turned already, then tonight is a great night to turn you because turning you simultaneously neuters the innocents of their only active player and you can be used as a weapon to take out the wolves. Especially if we kill another wolf, then with two wolves left, a ninja flip leaves the wolf team with one player and a vampire win.

You know, I really wish you wouldn't try to get me turned. First you let slip that I'm the ninja, then you create a scenario where neutralizing me leads to a vamp victory. It's like you really think I'm key to an innocent victory.

That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn... If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

Classic, I'm not sure what you're talking about. 5 nights, 5 turns, means a possible 7 vampires. We've killed 3 vampires, leaving a possible 4.

I had to read that about 3-4 times before it finally clicked that I only got two hours sleep today and aren't making sense. Fuuuck.
So we're at 1-4 vampires. 3 wolves. You and the remainder innocents totaling 9. So I really could be the last innocent, and I've got 1-3 allies.

No. This is ridiculous, I'm overthinking it. Envy. Envy, Envy, Envy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 10, 2012, 06:36:19 PM
...Look, I've done all I can to help the inno team win. I'm going to have to go out on a limb and assume you're innocent and leave this up to you. If you honestly think that killing Envy is a good idea, then I'm not going to hold you back anymore. I'll use my hammertime in case you want to change your mind, though.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 10, 2012, 06:55:21 PM
With the deployment of that Hammertime, the day has been postponed anouther 24 hours. Approximately. I'm tired; I'll give you a countdown when it's getting closer.

Current vote tallies:
Defenestration: 3
gahitsu: 3
Envy: 2
Kayma: 1
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: gahitsu on July 10, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Team innocent is either completely neutered with probably only a couple of people left, or dtsund and McDohl are very silly. Obviously I know why the vamps are voting for me - they don't want to be bothered having to kill me tonight - but anyone not pro-vamp would be an idiot to waste today's lynch on me when the board state is so obviously clear.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 10, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
But seriously, it's pretty obvious that defenestration is a vampire, we know it and the wolves know it, so let the wolves deal with him for us, especially since they already have Gahitsu.

Are you sure you want to take a chance on it, though? Gahitsu could get killed, or just decide not to do it. And then one of us will probably be a vampire, which would not be a good situation.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: gahitsu on July 11, 2012, 06:07:25 AM
Something I realized while brushing my teeth this morning - the Vampire Hunter's abilities count as a human power, which is almost dead last in priority. It certainly goes before anything the vampires want to do.

If I'm a wolf (cough), the vamps are going to have to either sacrifice one of their own or waste an item. If they push to hang me, they don't need to do that. Seriously, lynching me is the worst move Town could make right now. Innos are fucked anyway it seems, Friend is actively pushing for a vamp win, but if any of you aren't fangies, move the fuck off me k.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
But seriously, it's pretty obvious that defenestration is a vampire, we know it and the wolves know it, so let the wolves deal with him for us, especially since they already have Gahitsu.

Are you sure you want to take a chance on it, though? Gahitsu could get killed, or just decide not to do it. And then one of us will probably be a vampire, which would not be a good situation.

We honestly don't care how the punch-up turns out, we just wants vamps and wolves killing each other instead of innocents. Wolves are better at killing than vamps, so it makes sense to trim their numbers to 1 or 2 so that they need to kill vampires to have a shot at victory.

The wolves will still have the hunter and whatever items they have for extra night kills.
Also, Friend is still alive. We have at least 1 more night, assuming the bads aren't all retards.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 11, 2012, 04:00:12 PM
You have six hours to reach a verdict.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 11, 2012, 05:33:20 PM
Something I realized while brushing my teeth this morning - the Vampire Hunter's abilities count as a human power, which is almost dead last in priority. It certainly goes before anything the vampires want to do.

If I'm a wolf (cough), the vamps are going to have to either sacrifice one of their own or waste an item. If they push to hang me, they don't need to do that. Seriously, lynching me is the worst move Town could make right now. Innos are fucked anyway it seems, Friend is actively pushing for a vamp win, but if any of you aren't fangies, move the fuck off me k.

If I was pushing for a vamp win I would have just killed you. You're right that lynching you is a terrible move, though.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
That's true.
Though I think if you'd killed gahitsu with the cross I might have completely lost it and used my power on you without thinking.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Stush on July 11, 2012, 09:28:37 PM
Okay, I'll trust you guys and switch my vote to Envy, I hope this works out.

Although this means envy and gahitsu are even. What happens if it's even?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Defenestration on July 11, 2012, 09:32:19 PM
It turns to a coinflip, if memory serves.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 09:38:19 PM
This would be a great time for the wolves to lock-in a save for their most powerful team member.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 11, 2012, 09:45:54 PM
Kayma, you should probably tell us if your team has the poison.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
Why would he ever do that? Is there any conceivable scenario where telling the game that he has an extra kill makes sense?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
SHIT! gahitsu!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
I just realized that Envy was intimating he had the bomb, and we need to prolong the game before anything else.

Guys, remember that the bids stush rejects are also information.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Friend on July 11, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
Classic, what the fuck. Even if Envy has the bomb, he'll definitely use it to kill a vampire if he wants the wolf team to win. Well, he'll probably use it. Maybe. And why does voting for gahitsu make any more sense? Now you're just losing it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
Man, no! Think about it:
Envy has the subtlety of a brick.

If envy dies, he can only bomb people who voted for him, right? And with stush on the pile, stush is at risk.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 11, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
Whoops! I'm twenty minutes late.

With four votes, you kill gahitsu. She was the Vampire Hunter and a lycanthrope. She had no items.

It is now Night 6. I need night actions.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Classic on July 11, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
I feel that today, at least, it's more important to diminish the wolves. They're still going to murder vampires for us. They've probably still got tools to kill Defenestration.

Kill Defenestration.
Kill Defenestration.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 6
Post by: Stush on July 11, 2012, 10:27:36 PM
Wait, so we didn't kill defenestration, because you said gahitsu would kill him for us.

But then you turn around and decide to kill gahitsu.

And now you're asking the werewolves to kill defenestration?

But you killed the werewolf that could have killed him.

And why the heck did you think envy had the bomb?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 6
Post by: Friend on July 11, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
Wait what

I thought we needed 5 to lynch
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 6
Post by: Friday on July 11, 2012, 10:33:30 PM
No talking game related at night, Classic, and etc.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 11, 2012, 10:45:07 PM
Shut up. It's after curfew.

Wait what

I thought we needed 5 to lynch

The day expired. Per the rules, the lynch is the first to reach an absolute majority or whoever has the most votes when the day expires.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 6
Post by: Friend on July 11, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
Shut up. It's after curfew.

Wait what

I thought we needed 5 to lynch

The day expired. Per the rules, the lynch is the first to reach an absolute majority or whoever has the most votes when the day expires.
Ah, osorry. I forgot about the time limit.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Night 6
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 12, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
It is the morning of Day 7. McDohl was killed by an Almost Undetectable Poison. He was a human, and the Wolfsbaner, and he died with the Invisibility Cloak and the Seer's Glasses. LaserBeing has been resurrected and he walks the earth once more. Kayma can't help but show off his brand new Lightsaber. With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to kill.

Classic
Defenestration
dtsund
Envy
Friend
Kayma
LaserBeing
Stush

Today's Auction House items are:
The Nonhuman-Seeking Scrier, which, upon use, reveals to the owner the identity of a non-human
The Watcher, which reveals to the user the identities of anybody whose night actions target the target
The Voting Box, which makes the owner's votes count double
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
Gosh darn it, I guess I fell for it. Classic is such a Tricksy little gosh darned Vampire Ninja, He's got the scry sucking crystal ball, too. And 10 delicious golds.

I guess I know who i'm voting for today. Classic
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 12, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
Why, because he killed a wolf? That's what we do in these games Stush. You're going to have to explain to me why you're so eager to listen to Friend's every bit of advice. Friend is not your friend. He seeks only to kill off the weaker of the two factions so he can win the game for himself. The weretiger *is a bad* Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 12, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
Mcdohl I hate you
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
Defen, Did you forget that i'm the PI? I know what classic is. I haven't even talked to Friend today. I'm fairly sure you're a badguy too, you're not hiding it very well by trying to cast suspicion on me on such a flimsy charge.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 12, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
And you're not worried about the *confirmed wolf with a lightsaber*?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 12, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Frankenhooker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BtunhScwso#ws)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
And you're not worried about the *confirmed wolf with a lightsaber*?

I don't really know What i'm supposed to worry about! Everyone's betrayed me, I'm fed up with this woirld!

You're going to have to explain to me why you're so eager to listen to Friend's every bit of advice. Friend is not your friend. He seeks only to kill off the weaker of the two factions so he can win the game for himself. The weretiger *is a bad* Stush.

Actually, hell, Friend has never even pointed out Classic as a vampire at all, those accusations of yours are just coming out of nowhere, Defenestration.

Also, a quick question. Doesn't someone need to vote for the target at some point to use the poison? Because i've been looking and I don't see any votes for Mcdohl in the last day.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 12, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
...Is this some sort of reverse vampire ploy to kill classic or something?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: dtsund on July 12, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
Gosh darn it, I guess I fell for it. Classic is such a Tricksy little gosh darned Vampire Ninja, He's got the scry sucking crystal ball, too. And 10 delicious golds.

I guess I know who i'm voting for today. Classic

Huh.  I also scanned Classic, though I didn't learn as much as you.

Also, while I'm voting for him, I have my suspicions that he won't survive to the lynch.  Call it a hunch.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: dtsund on July 12, 2012, 09:54:31 PM
Also, a quick question. Doesn't someone need to vote for the target at some point to use the poison? Because i've been looking and I don't see any votes for Mcdohl in the last day.
Try Post #467, by Kayma.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 12, 2012, 09:58:55 PM
I would not have allowed the poisoning to proceed had its user not cast a vote for the victim as instructed.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 10:00:26 PM
...Is this some sort of reverse vampire ploy to kill classic or something?

Sorry, Friend, you missed it, like the rest of us did. Classic's a vampire, I'm not. It seems like Mcdohl and dtsund aren't either.

I would not have allowed the poisoning to proceed had its user not cast a vote for the victim as instructed.

Sorry, I just couldn't find the vote when I went looking, so I thought i'd ask.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 12, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
Hey guys, how y'all been? Cool, cool. I've been really busy being dead for the past week or so, ever since you murdered me, so I guess I've got a bit of catching up to do. Since my brain hasn't had any oxygen for several days I'm a little unsure of things, but I think it would be pretty swell if Kayma used his lightsabre on Classic? Can you do that for us bro? I mean, otherwise we'll kill you, probably.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
I didn't murder you, I wasn't even here!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Classic on July 12, 2012, 10:30:47 PM
I flip out and kill kayma.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Well, I guess my vote is changed to Defenestration, now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 12, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
Kayma dies! He was a werewolf with a used Fog Machine, a used Shovel, a used Almost Undetectable Poison, and a brand new unused Lightsaber.

Classic dies! He was a turned ninja with a Scry-Sucking Crystal Ball.

All votes issued prior to this post are reset! There are now only 6 players alive, meaning it takes 4 votes to kill!

Defenestration
dtsund
Envy
Friend
LaserBeing
Stush
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 12, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
Good job working him into a corner, Stush and Laser. Good fucking job. Obviously his only option would be to kill before he would be killed after you out him like that. I tried to hint this to you without overtly saying it if the vampires were too dense to come up with this idea themselves. And now we're out a lightsaber. A wolf with a lightsaber, sure, but his sure next act would be to off Friend, who helps *everybody*. In fact, I wonder if you brought that suspicion upon him to get some credibility for yourself to feign ignorance afterwards. After all you role claimed and were confirmed as the PI, the scry that always works, 3 nights ago. An incredibly powerful role. The *actual* vampires probably turned you immediately. They certainly didn't not try the two nights afterwards.

With only one wolf left, we should focus on the stronger faction, vampires. *Or* the weretiger since he's an obstacle to innocent victory as well but since all of you are still taking Friend's bullshit wholesale, let's go for Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 12, 2012, 10:47:10 PM
I think it's hilarious that you think anyone would possibly believe you're not Olrox.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 12, 2012, 10:48:28 PM
yeah, killing a vampire and a wolf in one fell swoop was a terrible outcome and I deeply apologise for my part in it
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 12, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
yeah, killing a vampire and a wolf in one fell swoop was a terrible outcome and I deeply apologise for my part in it

And killing the holder of a lightsaber whose next immediate goal would be to use it on Friend after Classic was lynched is not a bad outcome how?

I mean, shit, I admit I'm not certain that Stush is turned. I have literally no gold left. But I can't see *how he is not.* Also if you want to kill the weretiger right now, let me know, I'll jump on that bandwagon like nobody's business.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 12, 2012, 10:57:53 PM
You say killing the weretiger would help everyone, and that we should focus on the vampires. And then you turn around and say we should get rid of me? The person who just cleared out a vampire and a werewolf by doing nothing but stating a fact.

We know friend is a badguy, I'm not following his advice any more than you are, Hell, i'm the one who outed him, if you don't remember. If it wasn't for me, you might not even know that he's the weretiger until you had wiped out most of the innocents and then BAM, Friend gets all the moolah.

I want to clear out a vampire, If we can get rid of Olrox, Then there's no threat of vampire turns, they can't increase their numbers, we can whittle them down slowly, we can take out Friend, and the innocents can win this game.

You're just the top suspect on my list, sorry to say.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 12, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
A wolf with a lightsaber, sure, but his sure next act would be to off Friend, who helps *everybody*.

Actually, the moment Stush claimed that Classic was turned, Kayma really had no other option but to saber Classic. Especially considering if he killed me, all Classic would have to do is kill him to win.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

And killing the holder of a lightsaber whose next immediate goal would be to use it on Friend after Classic was lynched is not a bad outcome how?

How would Kayma use the lightsaber after Classic had been lynched? The Lightsaber is a day item, if I'm not mistaken.

I mean, shit, I admit I'm not certain that Stush is turned. I have literally no gold left. But I can't see *how he is not.*

You can certainly see how he is *not* turned, you simply choose not to see.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Quit posting while I'm typing goddamnit
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 12, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
The lightsaber is used during the day, and in this version of the rules it can only kill one person ever.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 12, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
Also if my understanding of the rules is correct, although he wins with the wolves, the devil counts as a human numerically. So that means killing Friend not only removes the block to vampire or wolf victory, but also decreases the human count by one. So yeah, I just bet you'd love to see that happen, Defenestration...

 :oic:
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 12, 2012, 11:14:48 PM
The devil counts toward human victory unless turned, yes.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 12, 2012, 11:27:43 PM
Quote from: #finalfight
[00:37] <Lee-Ham> so... I'm still cleaning grave dirt out of my ears but uh, Defenestration is 100% a badguy, right?
[00:38] <Defenestration> Don't give into this bullshit, Laser.
[00:38] <+BongoBill> I know the answer, but I'm not telling.
[00:38] <Lee-Ham> hey all I can see is that we're down to the wire and you're telling us to kill the PI because it's so obvious that he's probably turned
[00:39] <Defenestration> For one, I've never been scried. Or at least, noone has said they scried me. For two, we know Envy is the last wolf. Lottel was a turned oracle that was lynched before, and he outed Kayma and Envy as wolves.
[00:40] <+BongoBill> Incidentally, since you're having this conversation here, it will not be necessary for you to send me a log.
[00:40] <Defenestration> :V
[00:40] <Lee-Ham> do we know how many vamps are left? how many wolves?
[00:41] <Defenestration> There has to be one wolf if you do the math, and that wolf is probably Envy. I see no reason that Lottel would have lied about that in context.
[00:41] <Defenestration> We can kill Envy if you want. I'm for that. WE don't know about any vampires, other than this suspicion on myself.
[00:41] <Defenestration> I mean, have I been scried? Noone told me anything.
[00:43] <Lee-Ham> if there WERE any vampires though, killing the last wolf would be really great for them, especially if they then nightkilled the weretiger devil aka the human seer
[00:43] <Stush> I don't really like doing this stuff in here, it denies the other players a chance to see it.
[00:43] <Defenestration> Then paste it to the thread after we're done Stush, don't be dumb
[00:44] <Lee-Ham> that's what logs are for, Stooshers!
[00:44] <Defenestration> <3 Stush (vampire)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Kayma on July 13, 2012, 05:46:44 AM
That was a refreshing night's sleep. Time to saber the donuts!

I kil(http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/177251-resident-evil-2-playstation-screenshot-game-over-for-leons.png)


...well shit.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Envy on July 13, 2012, 09:24:31 AM
I have no doubt one of the vamps have the bomb. I'm gonna have to go with defenestration and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 11:44:58 AM
I'm about 80% sure that Defenestration has the bomb, but I doubt you all are willing to vote for dtsund, so. Defenestration it is.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: dtsund on July 13, 2012, 12:33:28 PM
Guys, we need to kill Friend today in order to have a chance at winning.

I mean, think about it, dammit.  If Defenestration is the only bad guy left and we off him right now, Friend wins outright and we don't.

If there's more than one bad guy left and we off him right now, we'll go into tomorrow with four people left and Friend still alive, at which we lose no matter who we lynch.  And if you think the bad guys here aren't willing to play that kind of brinksmanship game, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

As I see it, there are four realistic scenarios to consider here.

1: We have one vampire (Defenestration) and one weretiger (Friend).  Covered this one above; we cannot lynch Defenestration today.

2: We have two vampires (Defenestration and someone else) and one weretiger (Friend).  I really hope this isn't the case, because if it is, we're kinda screwed no matter what; killing one of the vamps still leaves us with the choice between letting the vamps win and letting Friend win.  Even if we kill the Master Vampire, the remaining one could kill Friend, but would probably prefer to put the town in an unwinnable situation he can exploit than let someone with a scry figure out who he is and get him lynched.  The less-bad choice here is to kill Friend and hope to get converted to the winning team, which still isn't very good, but a 1/3 chance of winning is better than no chance at all.

I regard 3 and 4 as more likely, since I suspect we still have a werewolf:

3: We have one vampire (Defenestration), one werewolf (Envy), and one weretiger (Friend).  If we kill Defenestration, Envy really has no reason to kill Friend for us; we'll just turn around and lynch him for the win.  A better play for him is to kill someone else, so we have the choice between letting Friend win and letting Envy win.  Do you want this?  Because I sure as hell don't.

4: We have two vampires (Defenestration and someone else*), one werewolf (Envy), and one weretiger (Friend).  If we kill Defenestration, we're still screwed.  Envy, for reasons stated above, won't be killing Friend for us.  The other Vampire might, but if Envy gets to him first, we're in the Envy-wins-or-Friend-does scenario, and if he doesn't and kills an inno instead, it's Envy-wins-or-the-other-Vampre-does.

We have no choice but to kill Friend today.

*Would have to be Stush in this case.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
Okay, I'm on my phone here so I can't fully address this, but I'll summarize:  we're in option 4,  and we have to kill me. Why? Because if you don't lynch me I can possibly win, and the innocents can't win. So let's assume you lynch me. Then what? 2 vampires, 2 humans, 1 werewolf. 2 night kills. The only possible scenario where you can potentially win is if the vampires decide to kill Envy or Envy accidentally kills the master vampire. Now, there's no way in hell the vampires are going to kill Envy. Envy, on the other hand, might kill an innocent. Honestly, that guy is inscrutable to me. 


But honestly this point is irrelevant since defenestration has the bomb. He just wants to save his hide so he and dtsund can win this game.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
One of the remaining vampires is olrox, who can make more vampires, if i'm not mistaken. Wouldn't that make taking him out be the biggest priority? If we don't, we're gonna lose a war of attrition, because he'll just replenish each night.

The only way I can see it working is to hopefully take out the vampire today, then Friend tomorrow, and then the werewolf on the day after that.

It's the only way I can see us winning. If we leave the vampire alive, we're gonna lose, he'll turn one of us into a vampire.

The plan has a slim chance, but it's the only one I can see working.

Also, I didn't realise that the thief's glove was already used, that's why I kept quiet about this. I Have the bomb. I picked it up so the bads wouldn't have access to it. Don't worry about the bomb, I took it out of the equation.

If we just stick to this plan, we can win! All we need to do is take out [Hopefully] three badguys.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 13, 2012, 04:46:37 PM
HOW can we win, Stush? Look at it mathematically and not just the short term. You lynch me, and any hope for a town victory goes up in smoke. Why? Here's why. Because you've still all left Friend alive instead of killing him with a lynch the moment he was revealed as the weretiger like well. Anyone *sensible* would have, here's the state of the game. You lynch me. Friend and Envy are still in the game, with 3 others. Envy kills one that night. This leaves Friend, Envy, and 2 others in the same game. Friend is lynched then, and Envy night kills, leaving him and one other. This means, guess what? A wolf victory, vampires or no. For Envy. Do you REALLY want to enable that? *Again?*

Stop looking at just the short term. If you want an innocent victory, our only hope is to lynch Friend and now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 13, 2012, 04:49:53 PM
eh. fuck vampires

Defenestration.

Go team weretiger!

Young Frankenstein- Putting on the Ritz. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6-tYS9k1U#)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 05:00:10 PM
"Anyone sensible would have lynched the weretiger"

You didn't lynch the weretiger, therefore, your advice is non-sensible.

I'm sorry, Defen, but unless you can prove to me that you're not olrox, I can't think of any other choice. You'll just make more vampires if you are, and then we're extra-screwed.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 13, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
That's because I am Olrox. Big fucking deal. Yes, having the weretiger dead benefits me. Yes, I would have voted for him if there was any indication that there would have been a possibility that the train would have succeeded. There's one big sticking point that you're missing Stush. If I turn you tonight, you do not lose because you are a vampire. Your win condition changes. And frankly, the innocents are not looking too hot right now if you can't even see that you've already lost if you don't kill Friend with this lynch. Explain to me clearly what is your game plan and how you can avoid the outcome stated in the last post if you do not.

Because here's a new offer. Lynch Friend instead and over those two nights, I turn the remaining innocents and you all join the *winning team.* How about that? McDohl was all about that last night when I tried to turn him and he was offed by poison.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 13, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
One of the remaining vampires is olrox, who can make more vampires, if i'm not mistaken.

Olrox just indicates the non-Dracula starting vampire; when Dracula dies, any vampire, including Olrox or one of the Turned, can become the Master Vampire who has turning powers.

Current vote tallies:
Defenestration: 3
Friend: 2
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 13, 2012, 05:54:20 PM
Also, another secret. I'm not Dracula. Page three at the bottom, middle paragraph. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dfwmpBTR3pCvtH5nVoYOlRmv_NEsrHpiMnHc_R8jQD4/edit#heading=h.o7jf6hlbqluz) So your voting for me is literally and completely pointless to avoid the outcome of more turns, Stush. Consider your plan CAREFULLY if you want to actually win.

Reply posted edit: GODDAMMIT BONGO
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: dtsund on July 13, 2012, 05:55:30 PM
The only way I can see it working is to hopefully take out the vampire today, then Friend tomorrow, and then the werewolf on the day after that.

Are you stupid or just dumb?  Two werewolf kills before that fabled last day make it a one-on-one proposition, and with the Baner dead there's nothing to stop those two kills from happening.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 06:00:48 PM
He's right you know. If you want to win, it would be in your best interest to lynch me and get turned by Defenestration. However, I would prefer not to see the vampires win because I blame Newbie for this entire fiasco. But it's your choice and I understand,  whatever decision you make.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 13, 2012, 06:02:20 PM
oh on second thought Frankensteins are friends with Vampires.

Friends forever!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
Of course, if I get turned, and the vampires win, I'm on the winning team. But then I've also lost! Because I become the thing I've been fighting this whole time!

I'm not the kind of dude who switches sides just to get to hold the winner's trophy! And i'm not gonna listen to either you or Friend, If I can stop the vampires from being able to make more vampires, that's what i'm gonna do.

I lived and fought as a human, And I'll die as a human!

I'm voting for Defenestration.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 13, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
It seems that everybody has cast a vote, and it's tied with three votes each for Defenestration and Friend.

I'm going to end the day in three hours.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 07:29:17 PM
Alright, good. Because I've actually thought of a less stupid plan that doesn't involve me dying. It's a pretty risky plan though - Instead of lynching me or defenestration, we should lynch Laserbeing. This basically leaves the game up to the werewolves and vampires in the nightphase. Depending on how it turns out, each team has an opportunity of winning - it of course depends on whether or not the wolves kill dracula or his minion, and whether or not dracula decides to turn or let his minion kill.The innos also have a chance at winning if we manage to resurrect laserbeing. Also stush use your hammertime.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 07:32:49 PM
Unless you vampires would rather make this a coinflip between me and defenestration, because that's fine with me too.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 07:47:09 PM
I don't really see the point of a hammertime, We're not going to be able to get people to change their opinions.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
[Also, just for clarification for anyone who's confused, this stuff i'm saying doesn't mean that if I get turned i'm instantly gonna screw over the vampire team. I'm just roleplaying as a human, Trying to have fun, you know?]
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
You're assuming that everyone will have read this thread in the next three hours. Since this game is almost over, how does it hurt you to use your hammertime?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 08:11:00 PM
Okay then. I hope this doesn't just lead to 24 hours of nobody posting, though.

Hammertime
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 13, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
Acknowledged. The day will end tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 13, 2012, 09:08:36 PM
Of course, if I get turned, and the vampires win, I'm on the winning team. But then I've also lost! Because I become the thing I've been fighting this whole time!

I'm not the kind of dude who switches sides just to get to hold the winner's trophy! And i'm not gonna listen to either you or Friend, If I can stop the vampires from being able to make more vampires, that's what i'm gonna do.

I lived and fought as a human, And I'll die as a human!

I'm voting for Defenestration.

Okay, so let me get this straight. You 1. refuse to acknowledge the weretiger will have to be killed tommorrow which will enable a wolf victory 2. Refuse the obvious and easiest path to winning and 3. Insist that you *can* still offer an innocent win without outlining it logically.

The fuck.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 09:31:59 PM
Look, let me break it down. If we kill Laserbeing like I ask, it's going to benefit me as well, honestly. I will have a chance at winning. However, this is true for every other team. We all have possible chance to win. Which is why I think this is interesting. We're going to spin the circle and see which team gets lucky.
If you kill me, it's basically a lock for the vampires. Though one of you lucky innocents will get to be turned. Unless Envy screws things up.

Don't you guys want to take a risk? I've made plenty of decisions that wasn't necessarily good strategy at the time, but you know what? It was pretty damn fun to make those risky bets, whether or not they paid off. Laserbeing, you can take the safe way out and win if you want, but is it really that entertaining to be dead the entire game and then cop out to the vampires? Don't take the safe choice. It's much more fun to roll the dice.

Though if you guys really want to play it safe, we can stick to the Defenestration/Friend vote pattern.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Incidentally, this is one of the few situations that would be viable for a no lynch.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
I honestly don't know what to do.

I don't think anyone who's posting is an innocent, Friend's the weretiger, Defen is Olrox, Lee seems to be a vampire too, And from what everyone's saying Envy is a werewolf. I'm not sure about dtsund, but I doubt he's a werewolf, because he's voting for Friend, who he'd win with if he was a wolf.

That makes me the last innocent, so it doesn't really matter what I do, my side is gonna lose, I don't really have any reason to kill the weretiger just to let one of the badguy teams win, Sure, the vampires could turn me, and then i'd win, but it'd be a pretty darn hollow victory for me. Just winning for the sake of winning.

I just can't think of any option but Defenestration. Then it's one vampire, one wolf, one weretiger, and two innocents. Envy will hopefully kill laserbeing at the night, and then me and dtsund can take out Friend and then Envy with votes, It's the only way the innocents can win.

It's the only decision that works for me.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 13, 2012, 11:01:49 PM
Dtsund is a vampire.
Laserbeing is human.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 11:08:56 PM
Goddamn it. I Have no idea of what's going on. The situation is so messed up for me right now that I'm.. well, I'm starting to think of going for ideas that would seem pretty ridiculous at any other time.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 13, 2012, 11:24:23 PM
Okay, I'm in, changing my vote to Laserbeing, If it's a choice between dying and dying while doing something insane to try win, I'm always for the second choice.

Lee, you're frankenstein, so you'll be fine, you should vote for yourself too, and we can have a party afterwards, with skeletons on motorbikes.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: dtsund on July 14, 2012, 12:45:39 AM
Yes, by all means, let's take the advice of the goddamn weretiger
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Defenestration on July 14, 2012, 01:35:56 AM
It's what he's been doing all game, why would he stop now? Logic is not his strong suit apparently. Or acting. Worst vampire ever, should have pressed the issue and had Newbie turn McDohl then like I was saying.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 14, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
Yes, by all means, let's take the advice of the goddamn weretiger

Yes, by all means, let's take the advice of the goddamn vampires

It's what he's been doing all game, why would he stop now? Logic is not his strong suit apparently. Or acting. Worst vampire ever, should have pressed the issue and had Newbie turn McDohl then like I was saying.

You make it sound as if I've been screwing the innocents this entire game. Besides voting with Classic, what have I done that wasn't in the town's favor? If he wants to win as an innocent I am legitimately his best bet.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 14, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
Just for the record, I am totally ok with Friend's plan to murder me (again). I don't think I can self-vote though!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 14, 2012, 09:02:18 PM
You do realized that you're the deciding vote, right?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 14, 2012, 09:58:30 PM
...whatever, I tried. defenestration
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: LaserBeing on July 14, 2012, 10:02:45 PM
oh good point. Well, see ya later, suckers!

LaserBeing

Bud Abbott and Lou Costello Meet Frankenstein (11/11) Movie CLIP - Death of the Monster (1948) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZQwVWTB2hI#ws)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Friend on July 14, 2012, 10:12:37 PM
laserbeing
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Stush on July 14, 2012, 10:14:22 PM
Laserbeing <3
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 15, 2012, 12:18:34 AM
...Okay. You kill LaserBeing again. He's still Frankenstein. If the game is still going on by then, then you can pay 6 gold on Night 8, after he has been dead for one full night, to resurrect him as early as Day 9.

Night actions and bids, everybody!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 7
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 01:44:25 AM
Day 8 dawns! Friend is dead. He was the Weretiger and the Devil.

At this point, there are four players alive. None of them is a weretiger, and three of them are nosferatus. You know what that means!

NOSFERATUS WIN
CONGRATULATIONS TO:
jsnlxndrlv, Dracula
Defenestration, Orlock
Zaratustra, Vigilante, turned Night 1
Classic, Ninja, turned Night 2
Lottel, Oracle, turned Night 3
dtsund, Seer and Master Vampire, turned Night 5
Stush, Private Investigator, turned Night 7
Nickasummers, Death

CONDOLENCES TO:
Ardus, the Gravedigger
Bleck, an Innocent who began the game with an item
Caithness, a Lycanthrope
Envy, a Lycanthrope
Friend, the Weretiger Devil
gahitsu, the Vampire Hunter, turned into a Lycanthrope on Night 5
Kayma, a Lycanthrope
LaserBeing, Frankenstein, who was an innocent human all along
McDohl, the Wolfsbaner
NexAdruin, an ordinary Innocent
Syl, a Lycanthrope

Additionally, Friday and I have decided that Dizzy (in this game a vanilla innocent) will be banned from future Brontoforumus werewolf games due to unsportsmanlike conduct.

I'll be writing up some observations in the future, but ask me anything now.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 16, 2012, 02:00:03 AM
Whoah, dtsund was the master vampire? I guess we screwed up pretty bad.

Gosh darn it, I guess our plan didn't work. Oh well, Good work, guys. <3

You should totally replace my name with lee's on the congratulations bit, I didn't really do anything but mess up a lot. Just pretend he got turned that last night instead.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2012, 02:23:24 AM
I have to admit, I would not have led the vampires into ignoring Friend for as long as we did if I knew that vampires could night kill innocents without a sacrifice. Using Friend to play chicken with the wolves sure made an interesting metagame, but every day he went unlynched, I was more and more confused.

Let's be straight, if you think it might even be *SORTA* close to the endgame and you know the weretiger, you *should* lynch him. The first 3 days if he's outed, sure, that's a distraction for the bad teams and you can leave him be. But day 5 and you guys don't go for it? The hell. If you got the weretiger, the innocents would have stood a much better chance of winning.

And Friend, I don't know how you got so many to buy into your bullshit after you were outed for *three days straight,* but I respect that.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 02:26:22 AM
Was the rules document unclear on the point of vampire night kills? I'll amend it to be more obvious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 16, 2012, 02:43:03 AM
Why would the innocents have stood a better chance of winning if the weretiger wasn't about, though?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 02:49:54 AM
MVP: dtsund for excellence in the field of strategic analysis and coordination despite the fact that his first two scries targeted someone who died the same night. It was a hard decision, because most of the Nosferatus played really well. Defenestration managed the thread's opinion like a pro, and jsnlxndrlv got some tremendous momentum going, so this was a tough choice.

Early in the game I was expecting a Lycanthrope victory, because every single auction house item on night 1 was won by a vampire, Death was killed, and the baner never found anybody whom he trusted to defend. If Caithness had remained alive, maybe their luck wouldn't have run out.

Friend was extraordinary as a Weretiger, playing all the sides against each other, but the game dragged on a bit too long for it to pan out.

I think the innocents never really had a chance in this game. No innocent bloc ever coalesced, the items were consistently controlled by the bad teams, and Dizzy's pointless gambit (n.b. I asked him why he claimed weretiger and he said for no particular reason; apparently he found some way to be bored in a game like this) cost a valuable day of discussion that also backfired against the werewolves.

By the end, all living players had nearly perfect information. Not a single player with repeatable seer-like powers ever died, and the Scry-Sucking Crystal Ball was in evil hands. This was highly anomalous and allowed for some very interesting strategies.

I'm proposing the addition of a new innocent role: the Body Double, who can target one person per night and becomes the target of any other night actions targeting that person. (Body Double X targets Player Y; Seer W targets Player Y and learns that X is the Body Double; Killer Z targets Y and X dies.) This will mainly serve to keep innocents from self-destructing.

The new werewolf-vampire interactions tested in this game never came into play; at no point did a werewolf or a vampire ever target each other. We also never got to see how Death turned out, how the rebalanced Lightsaber worked, or what effect the weretiger turning rules had. Oh well!

All feedback is appreciated.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2012, 02:54:33 AM
Why would the innocents have stood a better chance of winning if the weretiger wasn't about, though?

Because it's an obstacle to innocent victory as well, you gain consensus easier in a game without a late game town bloc (like this one), and votes for or against him aren't really telling information because everyone except the weretiger himself needs it dead, and every scrap of public information is what the road to innocent victory is paved upon. If you killed the weretiger on day five, you would have killed me instead the next, and from then on every remaining bad would be public knowledge.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

and Dizzy's pointless gambit (n.b. I asked him why he claimed weretiger and he said for no particular reason; apparently he found some way to be bored in a game like this)

Wait, so was he lying about Syl contacting him?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 02:58:43 AM
Nobody contacted him at all.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2012, 03:07:46 AM
Thoughts: Frankenstein is a dumb role. If he's innocent, there's no reason to dig him up until he's needed like in this game. If he's turned then he makes a fine distraction for both scum teams, but he'll just be lynched over and over. This doesn't add much of anything, and is a town nerf more than anything else. And it certainly doesn't seem much fun for the Frankenstien.

Death seems too strong, and the wrong approach to balancing the vampires to me.

Also I have plans (and they are oh, oh so glorious) that I've been writing up since the end of VvW9 proper. Anyone mind if I take VvW9.75 after a few months and a bit of discussion with the two traditional game masters?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 16, 2012, 03:19:12 AM
Great game! I had tons and tons of fun. Going into the game (before roles were assigned), I was kind of hoping vamps would make it, since they haven't had a proper win yet. And proper win they did! When we were days into the game and no vamps had been targeted, I actually figured all other sides were pretty screwed. Too bad I was vampire hunter, or I'd have tried to make sweet with y'all.

I do believe that the bads winning so many items was a huge fucking boon to them and a definite death knell to the innocents. Part of the game, of course, is the setting up of sides/a side with few members but with near-perfect information, and a large group of uninformed members. So the fact that bads can coordinate with one another to form item acquisition blocs is kind of a big deal, especially in an item-heavy game like this. It could have come down to good luck on behalf of the bads, and the fact that there was never an inno bloc formed, but I still think it might be worth looking at maybe lowering the amount that batwolves start off with/giving townies more golds.

Ahahahaha that seems exactly like something Dizzy would do. Fuck you m'dear.

Also, I'm really sorry I got you killed, Friday. :C I was still inno when you died! I'd whipped Caith, and in talking to him expressed that I believed that you were a turned wolf; Caith et al killed you to gain my trust and to prove there was still a wolf spot open, or at least that you had not occupied that particular vacancy. Also, I had just the worst feeling about being turned that night. I thought it was a bad idea, but I'm new to Bronto so what would I know? I think it was a difficult decision to make anyway. But then the very next day Friend went nuts and outed fucking everybody so I didn't last a full day. I think it's nice you guys decided to bite me all the same. Go go, team canine!

Friend that was ballsy as fuck and I laughed and laughed that you had both bads playing chicken with each other. That was fucking classic. :3c

I think Frankenstein is an interesting mechanic, but ultimately kind of a dud role, but I don't believe it's necessarily a town nerf as Defen said.

I'd wanted to get on dtsund's case for being so irritatingly quiet, but I guess it was mostly a moot point because of his late turn. Still!

Again, congratulations vampires, that was a great play, and I'm glad team fangy finally earned their triumphant win.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 03:25:46 AM
I'd support a Defenestration game.

For those who are interested, here is the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhgAY1yApNRrdHhfbmlvd1oxRkxlX3BjOUZUazNhMGc) that I used to keep track of everything.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Zaratustra on July 16, 2012, 03:35:15 AM
The funniest thing was seeing two first-votes I made more or less at random becoming lynches.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 04:12:56 AM
Defenestration and I were discussing some possible changes to the vampires. This is what we've come up with so far:

1) The Master Vampire no longer gets a scry.
2) Vampire attacks on wolves simply fail; the wolf doesn't learn they were attacked at all. Vampires don't learn why the attack failed.
3) To protect against Vampires, it is possible to acquire Garlic as long as the Vampire Hunter is alive, analogously to Wolfsbane. Garlic is acquired by trading in an unused or passive item. We haven't quite worked out the exact mechanics, but we're thinking one of the following: Either a) the user gives the item back to the Auction House, where it'll come up for auction again the next day, or b) the item is depleted or its passive effects are negated for a night and a day.

Also, I kind of agree that Frankenstein just isn't that fun a role.

A change to the Vampire Hunter would work well: on a missed attack, the Vampire Hunter loses their power's charge and learns that the target is not currently a vampire, but no other information is disseminated, and also the target is protected from vampires that night.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 16, 2012, 04:49:58 AM
Would it be a permanent charge loss, or one that can be bought back?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 16, 2012, 05:05:23 AM
My big lesson this game was about the dangers of drinking  and posting; I think I could have kept a much lower profile had I not decided it would be "fine" to post from the bar on my phone.

I forget--did we decide the masons were too powerful for VvW?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: dtsund on July 16, 2012, 05:06:53 AM
Good game, all; really tense toward the end.

Why would the innocents have stood a better chance of winning if the weretiger wasn't about, though?

Sure; if we'd lynched Friend, our plan as the vampires was to have Defenestration suicide against Envy that night.  If Envy had targeted me, that'd have eliminated all the wolfpires in one night.

(If Envy targeted anyone else, we'd have won there, though.  Envy killing you or LaserBeing would make it 1 vamp and one inno left, while Envy preemptively killing Defenestration puts the innos in an unwinnable situation, but an unwinnable situation in which I have bargaining power that Envy doesn't.)

I wasn't just speaking for my own interest when I was arguing for the lynch of Friend.  And, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I know what your plan was... I think you were banking on both evil factions killing Friend that night, then buying the Voting Box, using that to lynch one of the vampires, having Envy finish off the other one, then resurrecting LaserBeing to get Envy lynched.  That was never going to happen, though; we'd thought through that eventuality, and concluded that if we targeted Friend we won if and only if Envy killed you (which we thought was unlikely).

We got our best victory odds from turning you, so that's what we did; note that this meant there was no longer any hope for an innocent victory.  If the real reasoning behind that LaserBeing lynch was to force us to turn you to what ultimately wound up being the winning team, rather than potentially turning LaserBeing, then that was a cunning strategy that I can absolutely respect.

I'd wanted to get on dtsund's case for being so irritatingly quiet, but I guess it was mostly a moot point because of his late turn. Still!

This was partly me being busy IRL, and partly wanting to maintain a low profile on account of being the Seer.  Mostly the former, though.

Fun fact: I'd scanned you before you got turned, and was intending to shoot you the names of any vampires I'd found right up until I got turned myself.  I only knew you were a wolf because it was vampire knowledge!

Defenestration and I were discussing some possible changes to the vampires. This is what we've come up with so far:

1) The Master Vampire no longer gets a scry.
2) Vampire attacks on wolves simply fail; the wolf doesn't learn they were attacked at all. Vampires don't learn why the attack failed.
3) To protect against Vampires, it is possible to acquire Garlic as long as the Vampire Hunter is alive, analogously to Wolfsbane. Garlic is acquired by trading in an unused or passive item. We haven't quite worked out the exact mechanics, but we're thinking one of the following: Either a) the user gives the item back to the Auction House, where it'll come up for auction again the next day, or b) the item is depleted or its passive effects are negated for a night and a day.

Also, I kind of agree that Frankenstein just isn't that fun a role.

A change to the Vampire Hunter would work well: on a missed attack, the Vampire Hunter loses their power's charge and learns that the target is not currently a vampire, but no other information is disseminated, and also the target is protected from vampires that night.

Most of these seem like vampire nerfs.  Given that this is apparently the first game the vampires have won, is this really appropriate?

Speaking as someone who's never played under this ruleset before, I think the biggest problem with it is how much of a difference the Baner being alive or dead makes to the game state.  I'd propose that when the Baner dies, wolfsbane can still be bought, but at a steep markup.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 05:09:05 AM
Would it be a permanent charge loss, or one that can be bought back?

The kind that can be bought back, like currently.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Disposable Ninja on July 16, 2012, 05:32:38 AM
Thoughts: Frankenstein is a dumb role. If he's innocent, there's no reason to dig him up until he's needed like in this game. If he's turned then he makes a fine distraction for both scum teams, but he'll just be lynched over and over. This doesn't add much of anything, and is a town nerf more than anything else. And it certainly doesn't seem much fun for the Frankenstien.

I agree.

Death seems too strong, and the wrong approach to balancing the vampires to me.

I disagree, but that's probably because Death was my idea. I think he makes sense, though; where the Devil covers up for the greatest weakness of the Wolves (all power, no knowledge), Death helps cover for the Vampires' weakness (all insidiousness, not much power). This is all moot, though. It's not like we got much of a chance this game to see if it was an effective vampire buff, what with the Night 1 wolf murder.

On the other hand, Vamps won without him. So who knows?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 16, 2012, 05:44:37 AM
This game was very frustrating for me. I had it figured out as soon as I flipped. :/

heartbreaking moments:

Gahitsu - I will never understand why you felt the need to vote for me. I implied that claiming to be the weretiger as an innocent could be useful and you immediately jumped on me for saying anti-town shit. Just no. Lynching the weretiger early on would have been dumb, because the bads want him dead more than the innocents do in the early game. Let the bads bite him instead of wasting a lynch. In fact, the innocents were sort of back in the game by the time Friend was the public deviltiger. But a few other heartbreaking moments killed that as well (not that they REALLY stood a chance, but)...

Ardus - Hammering me was an awful decision. It was just a bad decision all around.

Newbie - I guess you were drunk or something but as soon as Stush called out Friend and you said you PI'd him last night I immediately facepalmed so hard I left an imprint. You just told everyone who the PI was, man! Oh well, no hard feelings. You're usually more savvy than that.

Laserbeing and Stush - WHY did you vote for a confirmed innocent on that last day? you knew who all the bads were and you could have gotten a majority against any of them (friend and envy to vote for vamps, defen and dtsund to vote for envy/friend). Stush spent most of the game not understanding what he was doing but Laserbeing has played before. That was basically the worst thing.

Town in general - I flipped inno and then nobody pushed to lynch the people who had voted for me. Why even lynch people if you're not going to use the information gained? Did you guys even scry defenestration and caithness?

Congratulations to the vampires for knowing what they were doing. Props to the wolves as well.

My story: I tried to contact 4 people before I died. They were Friday, an innocent, Defenestration, a dirty vampire, Caithness, a wolf, and kayma, another wolf. Friday was uncooperative so I left her alone. Defenestration immediately turned aggressive, which is fair because if my plan had worked out better I could have really positioned myself into some power. Caithness was a bit more sly about it, but once he saw an argument against me form he was ready to jump on. Kayma never gave me any hint that he was a bad until after I died. I told him that the person to hammer me would have been a bad, and the person that hammered me was Ardus. Ardus was later nightkilled, and the wolves were probably expecting to hit a vampire (sorry, wolves! I didn't know Ardus was going to do something so dumb. Next time I will try to be more accurate when I help you find vamps).
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2012, 05:54:38 AM
Most of these seem like vampire nerfs.  Given that this is apparently the first game the vampires have won, is this really appropriate?

Second time, actually. My intent was not to nerf vampires, but change their functionality entirely. The other change Bongo left out (or missed) was to have three starting vampires as well. I also intended for the wolf turn target to be clueless, but the vampire was aware that he tried to bite a wolf. Bongo's argument about there being entirely too much information flying around is pretty valid however, so it's probably better as he stated it.

I'm still not happy with the set of compromises Bongo has set up; Vampires should be harder to defend against than wolves but to win an item and then sacrifice it seems far too steep a price, as does my earlier idea of having the option barricading your house and sacrificing your night action and bids to prevent the turn every other day. To really make my vampire rebalance ideas work I need to come up with more possible solutions for innocent defense against them that is 1. elegant 2. not simply buying VAMPIRE WOLFSBANE and 3. still more annoying or costly than wolf defense.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 16, 2012, 06:21:10 AM

We got our best victory odds from turning you, so that's what we did; note that this meant there was no longer any hope for an innocent victory.  If the real reasoning behind that LaserBeing lynch was to force us to turn you to what ultimately wound up being the winning team, rather than potentially turning LaserBeing, then that was a cunning strategy that I can absolutely respect.


Laserbeing and Stush - WHY did you vote for a confirmed innocent on that last day? you knew who all the bads were and you could have gotten a majority against any of them (friend and envy to vote for vamps, defen and dtsund to vote for envy/friend). Stush spent most of the game not understanding what he was doing but Laserbeing has played before. That was basically the worst thing.

I wish I could claim that I was making deep strategic moves, but no, every move I made this game was pretty much a mistake. The whole lynching lee-ham thing was part of a strategy, Which I honestly thought could have worked. Credit goes to friend, because he came up with it.

Basically, we'd lynch lee-ham, And then envy would kill the master vampire [I forgot that he'd die if that happens], And then me and envy and friend vote to lynch the other vampire, and then, I was hoping that envy would kill Friend rather than me that night. And that same night, i'd resurrect Lee-Ham, And in the next morning, there'd be Two innocents and one wolf, and we'd just vote the wolf out and win.

It was a long shot even when I thought it was possible, and now that I know it wasn't, I still don't feel silly, because it felt like a good plan! I can see why it looked a bit crazy at the time, though.

I didn't really expect envy to just kill Friend and let the vampires win, although from what people have been telling me, You can usually expect envy to not do what you expect.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 16, 2012, 06:28:50 AM

Stush spent most of the game not understanding what he was doing


Yeah, and I sort of ended up making it to the end of the game, too! Maybe that's the real way to win at this game, Don't worry about strategies or alliances or being secretive. Just blurt out everything you learn, be honest to people, and just do what feels right at the time.

It's probably as effective as coming up with grand strategies is.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Disposable Ninja on July 16, 2012, 06:50:01 AM
Well, technically, you were on the winning team, Stush.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 16, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
I know, it still doesn't feel like a legit win, though. I'll just say that the vampire team won, and I inadvertently helped them with that.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 16, 2012, 07:20:03 AM
okay, I can understand trying to keep frankenstein safe from a turn, but it was far too late in the game to be removing innocents in the hopes that it would cause a wolf to bite a vampire, especially when that wolf already knew who the vampire was
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 16, 2012, 07:28:23 AM
We figured envy would kill a vampire, and then it'd just be a wolf, a vampire, an inno and the weretiger, and we'd vote the other vampire out, and then the weretiger would get killed, and lee-ham would come back and we'd vote the wolf out.

It sounded like a good plan!
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: Day 6
Post by: Caithness on July 16, 2012, 07:42:14 AM
why would you vote for me if you didn't even have the poison

I figured the majority of remaining players were bads and would be able to agree on lynching you.

I should have just used Air Bud instead of saying anything or voting for anyone, though. We would have won the next morning when Kayma won the lightsaber.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Friend on July 16, 2012, 07:58:06 AM
Good game, everyone. Especially the vamps. But dammit, Envy, I told you to kill dtsund or defenestration, not me.
And Friend, I don't know how you got so many to buy into your bullshit after you were outed for *three days straight,* but I respect that.
buddy all you gotta do is tell the truth. That last day when you finally came out as Olrox almost got me lynched.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 16, 2012, 08:00:41 AM
Is "outed bads directing the entire town" going to be a recurring theme in wolf games?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: dtsund on July 16, 2012, 08:22:07 AM
Oh yeah, shouldn't Nickasummers be in the list of winners?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 16, 2012, 08:26:32 AM
You're right! Silly me.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 16, 2012, 08:56:44 AM
We would have won the next morning when Kayma won the lightsaber.
If any of you had gotten the lightsaber I was going to flip out on you.
If I had gotten the lightsaber I was going to use it and flip out to clear the board.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Friend on July 16, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
Hey kayma did you try to kill me that night you poisoned mcdohl
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: dtsund on July 16, 2012, 09:18:54 AM
Hey kayma did you try to kill me that night you poisoned mcdohl

We were honestly surprised you were still alive that morning.  We thought Kayma had poisoned you.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Envy on July 16, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
I will never let another weretiger win.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 16, 2012, 06:12:42 PM
Hey kayma did you try to kill me that night you poisoned mcdohl

Oh hell no; I was dead set on leaving the vamps to kill you, more or less.

Envy tried to kill Stush. I'm not sure what stopped it, wolfsbane probably.


Good game, all. I wish I had not went to sleep that one night when the game continued and Classic shurikened my face.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: dtsund on July 16, 2012, 06:18:48 PM
Good game, all. I wish I had not went to sleep that one night when the game continued and Classic shurikened my face.
Who were you going to kill with the lightsaber?  Classic or Friend?

(I imagine the answer is Classic.)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 16, 2012, 06:24:54 PM
I bought it intending to kill Defenestration, but if I had the wherewithall to think I might have done in Classic; hard to say. To be honest I thought you and Stush were turned going into the night, not you and Classic.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 16, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
Even though I broke character and killed the single most useful character for the innocents to keep around?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 16, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
Who was that again?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2012, 07:24:30 PM
The Vampire Hunter?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 16, 2012, 07:28:05 PM
Oh, that. I just thought he was stupid.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 16, 2012, 07:42:09 PM
Even though he timed it to be specifically 3 minutes from the day ending?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 16, 2012, 08:05:35 PM
I wanted you dead and I thought Classic though he was being tricked or something. So, yes, even though it was painfully obvious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Syl on July 17, 2012, 12:16:44 AM
I think I would have done a lot better if it wasn't for Dizzy going absolutely crazy. 

For the record I didn't contact Dizzy at all.  I really have no idea why he started gunning for me, but by the time i saw the number of votes against me the second day I decided to just roll with it.   This ended up being a poor move as it allowed Friday to steal my interceptor.

At least I killed the first vampire.  Zarasutra, you were delicious.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 17, 2012, 02:02:03 AM
Nex - while I really admire your spunk and the fact that not only did you overcome vanilla apathy, you actively swam against it ... I still don't see innocents outing themselves as bads and actively trying to get lynched being a good idea, whether it's at the crapshoot beginning or down-to-the-wire end. I guess you could come up with a convoluted inno bloc scheme, but inno blocs are always tenuous at very best and it's still a shitty move to bus one of your own without any tangible gain. Bads bus themselves to gain inno trust. What's there to gain by bussing innos and getting bads to trust you? I think if you actually succeed in convincing them of anything, you'd just convince them you're on the opposite side of the batdog buffet.

While I remain open to being swayed, as it stands I'd vote for you again any day of the week and twice on Sunday. <3

Also yeah, I was totally convinced Classic was still inno till he ninja-voted at the last second. You magnificent bastard.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Lottel on July 17, 2012, 04:09:44 AM
I stand by my belief Envy's slip of the tongue gave away his alliance. I was inno when I spotted it and knew he was a wolf.
You really have to watch out for those things, guys. I've seen several people do such a thing, not just Envy.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 17, 2012, 04:28:17 AM
I stand by my belief Envy's slip of the tongue gave away his alliance. I was inno when I spotted it and knew he was a wolf.
You really have to watch out for those things, guys. I've seen several people do such a thing, not just Envy.

For what it's worth, I kind of agreed.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 17, 2012, 06:11:19 AM
Nex - while I really admire your spunk and the fact that not only did you overcome vanilla apathy, you actively swam against it ... I still don't see innocents outing themselves as bads and actively trying to get lynched being a good idea, whether it's at the crapshoot beginning or down-to-the-wire end. I guess you could come up with a convoluted inno bloc scheme, but inno blocs are always tenuous at very best and it's still a shitty move to bus one of your own without any tangible gain. Bads bus themselves to gain inno trust. What's there to gain by bussing innos and getting bads to trust you? I think if you actually succeed in convincing them of anything, you'd just convince them you're on the opposite side of the batdog buffet.

While I remain open to being swayed, as it stands I'd vote for you again any day of the week and twice on Sunday. <3

Being the weretiger shouldn't immediately get you lynched so much as it should immediately get you bitten. The town really should not be looking to off the weretiger in the early game. If a player doesn't want to play he can stall the bads by having them bite him (which is far, far better than them biting a seer). I stand by the opinion that if dizzy was the actual weretiger back then, lynching him was the wrong move. Lynching him was the wrong move anyway, which is what I was trying to tell everyone, but oh well.

Also, even if you don't agree with the strategy, lynching everyone whose strategy differs from yours is a bad way to win as town.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 17, 2012, 06:29:14 AM
why would anyone ever bite the weretiger, unless the weretiger also had another role. You don't change his win condition, he has no extra allegiance to you. all you do by doing that is tell him exactly who is on your team. I GUESS it's a good way to force other people to kill him instead of doing it yourself, but since you spent a turn on him already, I'd much rather kill him as soon as an opportune moment arose--if we hadn't learmed dtsund was the seer, I was gonna kill Friend then and there.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 17, 2012, 06:54:46 AM
why would anyone ever bite the weretiger, unless the weretiger also had another role. You don't change his win condition, he has no extra allegiance to you. all you do by doing that is tell him exactly who is on your team. I GUESS it's a good way to force other people to kill him instead of doing it yourself, but since you spent a turn on him already, I'd much rather kill him as soon as an opportune moment arose--if we hadn't learmed dtsund was the seer, I was gonna kill Friend then and there.

"kill" is what I meant by "bite."
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 17, 2012, 07:46:34 AM
As an aside, having our devil be the weretiger was the woooooooooooooooorst
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 17, 2012, 08:04:49 AM
I think the wereninja from 8.5 had the worst luck.

Although Envy in 9 came close, getting lynched immediately.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 17, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
Nex, I'll happily lynch people for having different strategies if I think they're going to harm the town (or my team, or whatever).

As an aside, having our devil be the weretiger was the woooooooooooooooorst

Yeah that was super lame. :'C
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Friday on July 17, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
For the record, the vamps won in Bongo's last game. I don't know why everyone has forgotten about that.

Also for the record, the achievement for vampire win still remains up, because no vampires have ever won in any game I've run.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Dizzy on July 18, 2012, 05:37:47 AM
"Unsportsmanlike conduct."

Yeah...
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 18, 2012, 06:27:25 AM
Is Guild still banned? I don't see much difference between Dizzy's style of play and Guild's style, except that sometimes Guild's enthusiasm takes the wheel and drives him into a telephone pole, where it feels more like Dizzy was off-roading to begin with.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Bongo Bill on July 18, 2012, 07:01:37 AM
Guild does what he does in an attempt to win.
"Unsportsmanlike conduct."

Yeah...

Quote from: IRC private message, June 30
<BongoBill> Just tell me one thing, Dizzy.
<BongoBill> Why'd you do it?
<Dizzy> Do what?
<Dizzy> Bronto thing?
<BongoBill> Claim Weretiger.
<Dizzy> Oh yeah!
<Dizzy> Dunno. Felt like doing it for kicks.
<BongoBill> I won't claim to understand.

Convince me it was part of a strategy rather than an attempt to disrupt the game out of boredom.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Nickasummers on July 18, 2012, 08:22:23 AM
Guild might be batshit insane and frustrating for all other players, but hes actually really good and all of his insanity has a plan behind it. I spent hours trying to figure out what the fuck Dizzy's angle might be and could not find one.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 18, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
Guild might be "really good" and have convoluted rationale justifying his methods, but he usually winds up lynched as a result.

Dizzy's stated justification may have been "whatever" but I don't think the fact that other people were perplexed by his "unjustified" methods is that damning.

In both cases, you have a player who, for whatever reason, has an entropic effect on the game. I don't agree that doing it for incrutable reasons is necessarily worse than doing it because you're trying too hard.  The effect is the same--and if we're in the business of banning players for devoting themselves less than entirely to the goal of winning, I should confess my strategies are NEVER the product of careful consideration. Is it up to us to say how Werewolf is enjoyed?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 18, 2012, 06:35:20 PM
While I personally disagree with the decision to ban Dizzy, I don't think what you're saying really applies. No, it isn't up to us to decide how Werewolf should be enjoyed, but we can decide with whom we want to partake in the enjoyment. If a player is going to ruin everyone else's good time then they can certainly choose not to play with him anymore.

Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Caithness on July 18, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Dizzy's shenanigans certainly didn't lessen my enjoyment of the game. In fact I'd say they contributed to it.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 18, 2012, 07:00:52 PM
I just feel like Dizzy doesn't have the power to ruin your good time unless you've granted him that ability? Like, he seemed kind of dismissive, but it never struck me as deleterious to the very fabric of wolf so much as kind of flippant. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting about wolf from the bar, but it feels likd this shouldn't have even been a problem if gahitsu hadn't been all "guys we need to modkill 4izzy" or whayevs
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 18, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
I don't like the idea of banning people for making batshit-insane-WTF plays either, but when a player does this:
disrupt the game out of boredom
Then they shouldn't have signed up in the first place. To sign up and not try to play is basically (very polite) trolling. I wouldn't assume that this is the case from this game (the town was pretty quiet throughout and kicking up shit is sometimes the best thing for a vanillocent to do), but apparently Dizzy's got some Talking Time history for playing in a way that looked like throwing the game.

On that note:
I was kind of pleased that Stush played as an innocent until he was turned. If you play the game with the intention of having your victory condition changed, it's the same as throwing the game for your original team.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 18, 2012, 07:42:03 PM
I'm not sure that i can articulate the reasons, but it feels capital-i Importtant that

1) players be permitted to be bored, and

2) players bbe permitted to behave in antoicipatiob of subsequnt turning.

I feel like the latter point is the  lss controversial, so let me address the frmer: brains control people,  not th other way aroind. It's one thing to  encourage 'team spirit' or whatever, but making claims or plays for the sake of 'spicing things up' should always be a viable option. it should always be up to the individuoal player how miuch a tchnical victory maotivates bhavior: to legislate othrwise wilo  mke for a more pedictable game, but necessarily a more exclusive one.

 I favor INCLUSIVTY, not the opposite. Becausebotherwizd werewlf will wither on the vine.

thank yoj
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 18, 2012, 07:42:44 PM
I am gouing tto  regret all of therse posts tmowrrow %re.'t i?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Kayma on July 18, 2012, 07:42:58 PM
drunk
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 18, 2012, 07:48:22 PM
moar like edit these posts tomorrow amirite
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 18, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
Also, fuck man, I know I'm not really one to talk, but isn't Wednesday an unusual day to get sloshed? Does your bar of choice have a great deal or something?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: jsnlxndrlv on July 18, 2012, 07:52:48 PM
on vcation tis week in Michigan to visit myy sister's family. see @jsnlxndrlv on twitter for te minute-to-minite updates on thi expiting expedition
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 18, 2012, 07:58:14 PM
Are you saying that if I hang out with you, I'll get free beer?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 18, 2012, 08:25:53 PM
On that note:
I was kind of pleased that Stush played as an innocent until he was turned. If you play the game with the intention of having your victory condition changed, it's the same as throwing the game for your original team.

Nonsense, Classic. You help your team to win because it is your personal path to victory; if you can swindle or connive a quicker or better path for yourself to winning then by all means you should do that.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Stush on July 18, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
On that note:
I was kind of pleased that Stush played as an innocent until he was turned. If you play the game with the intention of having your victory condition changed, it's the same as throwing the game for your original team.

Exactly! I kept trying to explain to people why I was doing it, that I wanted to win on my own terms for my own team, and they kept telling me that I didn't understand the game. Some people were telling me that I should stop playing and that i'm not "Ruthless" enough. But goddamn, I didn't want the vampires to win, even if I would have won with them.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 18, 2012, 09:34:20 PM
Well, more importantly, dtsund had no actual reason to turn you. So...
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Lottel on July 18, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
Wednesdays are typical drunk nights as it's the middle of the week and bars go super chearp in order to bring people out. It's usually a more relaxed, casual crowd than the typical weekend bar scenes.

Also, my drinks are usually half off on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 19, 2012, 04:17:40 AM
Bronto knows where the party's at, apparently.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 19, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
A few of our members only ever seem to post while they are drunk.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: McDohl on July 19, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
I think the wereninja from 8.5 had the worst luck.

You mean ME?  Maaaan, I poked Bongo and was like "duuuuuuuuuude" and he was all "i dunno i just roll the dice"
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 19, 2012, 06:43:58 PM
I think the wereninja from 8.5 had the worst luck.

You mean ME?  Maaaan, I poked Bongo and was like "duuuuuuuuuude" and he was all "i dunno i just roll the dice"

Yeah I mean you. Nick was trying to convince me that the weretiger should always be the ninja, but fuck that. That was awful and I feel bad for you.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: gahitsu on July 19, 2012, 08:46:40 PM
Is Friday going to be the next person to run a (normal) Wolfpire game? When does that happen next?
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: NexAdruin on July 19, 2012, 08:58:04 PM
Most likely and whenever she starts the sign up thread (I *think* games tend to be 3-6 months apart but don't quote me on that and even if it's true it isn't a hard rule)
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Classic on July 19, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
Friday's games are Vampire Vs. Werewolf. Friday is their mad patron saint.

Which is why we didn't get an achievement for making the vampires win this game.
It wasn't official-Friday.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Friday on July 19, 2012, 09:40:24 PM
Quote
Is Friday going to be the next person to run a (normal) Wolfpire game? When does that happen next?

As far as next, well, anyone else is welcome to run whatever they want, of course.

As to when I'll run VvWX, it'll be a few months, minimum.
Title: Re: Nosferatus vs. Lycanthropes IX point V: NOSFERATUS WIN
Post by: Defenestration on July 19, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
Is Friday going to be the next person to run a (normal) Wolfpire game? When does that happen next?

I was going to take next, actually. Expect big things, but I'm going to wait at least a month to cool down off of this game and make sure there are no other games running. Also I need to talk to Friday about her opinion on my proposed changes whenever I can be arsed and she is on IRC as well. So.