| Attacker | Target | Result |
| Werewolf | ordinary Vampire | Vampire dies |
| Werewolf | Master Vampire | both die |
| Vampire kill attempt | Werewolf | both die |
| Master Vampire turn attempt | Werewolf | both survive and know each other |
Sup dudes. Let's start by everyone who's a monster just go ahead and tell us now.
Reporting in.:|
My vampire knee is flarin' upAs in your knee that is infected with Vampirism?
Consuming a whole lot of alcohol is proof against vampires, right?
Consuming a whole lot of alcohol is proof against vampires, right?
Yes that is what the proof means it's like SPF for vamps
His post wasnt there when I started writing my post. Still... thats pretty funny :pSup dudes. Let's start by everyone who's a monster just go ahead and tell us now.Reporting in.:|
not dirty werewolf hair
Good morning everyone I hear there are some NOSFERATUS and LYCANTHROPES in our fair town and I am here to help you all root them out.
I'm present. Had a bout with food poisoning this morning. Still feel like shit. Ugh. Anyway, let's see...Good morning everyone I hear there are some NOSFERATUS and LYCANTHROPES in our fair town and I am here to help you all root them out.So you're a NEWCOMER? Do you have any proof to offer that you were not the one to bring this horrible disease to town?
I'm gonna vote for the next person to use a random number generator to decide their vote
...basically, there are certain factors that I'm convinced strongly indicate someone's on a non-innocent team. Unless and until one of those giveaway factors appears, I vote for people who contribute the most to certain voting and behavioral patterns that I feel reinforce a negative game atmosphere. However, the corrective impact of this voting methodology is blunted when the affected individuals can't tell whether I'm voting for them because I think they're evil or because I think want them to stop reinforcing negative trends... but letting people know why I'm voting for someone at any given moment would reveal the "giveaway factors" I'm on the lookout for.
I couldn't decide whether to be predictable or not. Thus: the vote.
I think it's a thought exercise. Like, if you vote to make him predictable than you're a fangy!!
But goddamn, I'm curious. :nyoro~n:
why would the spreadsheet make you suspicious? it isn't something he thought of and whipped up since he was given his role last night. it's just a wolf strategy that he is subjecting us to with our knowledge.
...basically, there are certain factors that I'm convinced strongly indicate someone's on a non-innocent team. Unless and until one of those giveaway factors appears, I vote for people who contribute the most to certain voting and behavioral patterns that I feel reinforce a negative game atmosphere. However, the corrective impact of this voting methodology is blunted when the affected individuals can't tell whether I'm voting for them because I think they're evil or because I think want them to stop reinforcing negative trends... but letting people know why I'm voting for someone at any given moment would reveal the "giveaway factors" I'm on the lookout for.
I couldn't decide whether to be predictable or not. Thus: the vote.
Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.
McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.
Likely pointless, but likely harmless as well, I think.
I'm gonna do the smart thing and continue randomly calling for zara's blood.
Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.
McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.
You are correct.
Bleck, dizzy, mcdohl, and syl have yet to check in.
That said, they may not have seen the thread yet. I'd vote people for being quiet but not for being unaware the game has even started yet.
why would the spreadsheet make you suspicious? it isn't something he thought of and whipped up since he was given his role last night. it's just a wolf strategy that he is subjecting us to with our knowledge.
It's not at all the spreadsheet that makes us nervous/suspicious/whatever; if it's done well, it's a fantastic idea and I'm surprised Destil hasn't written a program like this already.
now hear this
you youngin's don't have the TENACITY to fight PURE MISERY EVIL like the likes of the likes we be see'in round these parts in recent time.
why just the other day I saw a man using some kind of newfangled touchbox to talk to his misses! misses I says. more like LUCIFER. he says whats he gots is called an ipad but I knows better. The devil is at work here, and I don't mean no werewolf seer, no sir.
now get the heck off my porch! you scoundrels are worse than a pox!
Know what? I've thought about it. Announcing it could easily be just a bluff to make some wolves or vampires mess up.
McDohl -- I may have missed it, but he doesnt seem to have checked in yet. Lets get rid of someone who isnt showing up. I'll retract my vote when/if he checks in.
You are correct.
Bleck, dizzy, mcdohl, and syl have yet to check in.
That said, they may not have seen the thread yet. I'd vote people for being quiet but not for being unaware the game has even started yet.
I agree. We should have some grace period before we start lynching quiet people.
Since Lottel hasn't actually said anything besides "hello", I'm assuming Newbie's vote for him is based on reams and reams of sophisticated high-tech computer math data. That's the unspoken context in which I guess we're supposed to view his single-word, explanation-free post, because otherwise it would just look suspicious, and I have never known Newbie to do anything that might make him look suspicious
So Lottel it is! After all, who am I to argue with science?
Trying to mask an additional vote with no reasoning behind it by sarcastically pointing out Newbie's? That seems pretty suspicious to me, LaserBeing.
Trying to mask an additional vote with no reasoning behind it by sarcastically pointing out Newbie's? That seems pretty suspicious to me, LaserBeing.
The two people I am getting feelings from are Laser and Friday. Friday is only slightly more suspicious to me than Laser though.
That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.
That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.
I'm assuming you're talking about either me, for calling out your weird criteria for being weird, or dtsund for jumping up on the bandwagon so readily. If it's the former, well, screw you I'm totes innocent. If it's the latter, I totally agree.
dtsund
So is the theme of this game going to be that we've all got a team of mathematicians drumming up equations to point us in the right direction or what.
If you're suspicious of someone, call them the fuck out. Don't say "I'm suspicious of 5 people right now because of these factors I'm not telling anyone about." Not telling the town who is suspicious and why isn't a good way to help the town.
Envy still hasn't posted, and neither Envy, Friday, or McDohl have voted, unless I miscounted.Envy made one post, actually (page 2)
I have stopped attempting to track the "number of waffles" statistic as well as voting history, because 1. we have a ton of players, 2. my free time has dropped by an average of 6.5 hours per day over the last week, and 3. the thread itself serves as voting history, assuming no monkey business.
Meanwhile, Dizzy's vote-to-post ratio is looking a little high.
So while Newbie is all sorts of bad here
You really shouldn't vote along with someone without seeing WHY they are voting, unless you happen to know what they are thinking because you are on the same team.
And before you all get in a tizzy that I didn't vote for Newbie, I'm curious to see where he goes with this.
I'm not. Newbie.I wish to clarify, for the sake of outsiders who may not know, that Newbie is jsnlxndrlv and jsnlxndrlv is Newbie and they are the same person who goes by jsnlxndrlv but used to go by Newbie and some people still call him Newbie because that's a much easier name to deal with than jsnlxndrlv.
I've made two posts, actually. Three with this one. I never have anything to go off of in Day 1 unless it's handed it to me like last time. I'm just watching and chillin'.So you did! My bad. I shall update my records.
There's more then enough people to vote for a lynch without me voting, which I then use to determine if they voted for him and he turns up inno there's more than likely a chance one of those people is a bat or dog. If they end up being evil then they are more than likely innocent.
I've seen innocent people (read: envy) get lynched for saying something that they intended one way but was seen as suspicious by others. He may well be bad, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am not going to jump on him for one post right now simply because I have been looking at things I normally don't and they are pointing a bit more at Friday. That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.
Envy still hasn't posted, and neither Envy, Friday, or McDohl have voted, unless I miscounted.Envy made one post, actually (page 2)
I have stopped attempting to track the "number of waffles" statistic as well as voting history, because 1. we have a ton of players, 2. my free time has dropped by an average of 6.5 hours per day over the last week, and 3. the thread itself serves as voting history, assuming no monkey business.
Meanwhile, Dizzy's vote-to-post ratio is looking a little high.
Unless I missed their vote when going through the thread, the people who have not yet voted are as follows:
Bleck
Envy
Friday
McDohl
You didnt ask, but the following people have made only one post thus far(again, unless i missed it. I am not perfect):
Bleck
Defenestration
Dizzy
Envy
Syl
Anything else you want to know?
Lets all lynch envy day 1 for saying something silly but not inherently wolfy. I mean, this happens almost every single game, but this time i bet he really is a wolf!
Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.
I am not defending Envy. I am merely pointing out that there have been multiple games where someone other than envy has had multiple votes, and then someone calls envy on being quiet, he makes a post, and then suddenly everyone switches votes to him and lynches him. Sometimes he is, in fact bad. Sometimes he isnt. The post people lynch him for virtually never has anything actually wolfy in it. That is all I am saying.
If we had nobody else to vote for, I would agree that voting for him because he isn't helping us find bads is a good idea. The thing is, unless my memory is bad, he is acting precisely the way he normally does, which is pretty much the definition of "unsuspicious". I am actually okay with you voting for envy for the reason you just stated if you really believe he is going to be a problem, it is a valid reason to vote. But I can just feel the bandwagon getting ready to pounce on him because "hey its envy why not"
Sure. Whatever. Show us your Introduction to Microsoft Office project.
Newbie's behavior does not fit my data.
I'm not. Newbie.
dtsund got onto my list for similar reasons, and also for bandwagoning
on day 1 most everything is pure conjecture
Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?
No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.
Anyway, from what I understand, Dizzy is TT's version of Guild when it comes to wolf. Take what he says the same way you would take Guild.I have no fucking clue what this post means.
And keep in mind that Guild, despite the meme, is actually a pretty damn good wolf player, when town. I don't know about Dizzy, but he can't have a reputation over there for nothing.
Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?
What is TT? Who/what is Guild? When you say "town" are you talking about someone without powers or a particular situation?
I would be interested to know how, exactly, we're supposed to get anyone lynched on Day 1 without "bandwagoning". As you say,
Short of someone with a Night 0 power coming forward with a scry result, most of today's accusations and counter-accusations and whatnot are going to be wild speculation. In this climate, lynches don't happen without "bandwagoning".
Since you seem to regard bandwagoning as a bad thing, does this mean you'd prefer a No Lynch vote?
Yeah. You can have all this crazy math or follow your guts or whatever but just posting a bold name is the wrong way to go.This is a good vote. The person making it shows that they are thinking, and have a clear reason for voting.
So while Newbie is all sorts of bad here, I'm throwing my vote for LaserBeing. You really shouldn't vote along with someone without seeing WHY they are voting, unless you happen to know what they are thinking because you are on the same team.
In that case Dizzy on the suspicions of being a weretiger.This vote would be an okay vote, if it were the actual vote. The person has a reason for making the vote. Whether or not the reason is good is something that can be debated, but he has a reason even if he seems somewhat unconfident
In that case Dizzy on the suspicions of being a weretiger. That vote is as good as anyone else's right?This, the actual full quote, is a bad vote. By saying "hey this vote is as good as any other vote" you basically tell everyone "I have no confidence in my vote I am just voting for the sake of voting.
I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both).
I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.
I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both).
I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.
I think that we need to be worried about the best players. Inevitably, bad players will make a mistake and tip their hand in some big way. If they are the oracle, evidence will come out. If they are a bad, they will be suspicious and will slip up when writing some replies. It may not be the first day... but it will be before it is too late. The great players tend to be a lot better at hiding, scheming, and making game-changing decisions as baddies (wolves/vamps both).
I've been getting a very bad feeling about Friday. I consider Friday to be a great player. She doesnt seem to be helping the town much with logic and seems to be hiding in the background. If she were a townswoman, I think she would be more likely to point out and hammer on some of the suspicious activity.
I think we need to step back and reconsider the logic of lynching the players they admit are good because of a lack of participation on *day one.* This day one is fairly active, but it is still a day one. It is not uncommon for someone to use it as a data collection period before stepping into the game proper. You could argue that removing infamously strong players from the game removes the threat of a dangerous scum "supergroup" but mathematically at this moment it is much more likely, two thirds more likely if Bongo uses the traditional method of divvying up roles, for any one specific person to be innocent. The chance of losing strong allies for the town is much more likely right now and I can't very well abide it or self defeating logic of that sort.
Ardus.
For fuck's sake let's just kill LaserBeing.. Voting for someone "just to move on" is stupid.
Voting for someone "just to move on" is stupid.
We are up to 7 (?) pages. There is a TON of data.
[20:00:19] <gahitsu> you gonna drop out of bronto mafia, dizzy?
[20:00:24] <Nodal> spineshark: So. like, a bear
[20:00:24] <gahitsu> ahahaha spine
[20:00:25] <vorpal> [22:59:38] <Dizzy> they're boring and tedious with no explicit nudity
[20:00:31] <vorpal> well, the nudity part could probably be fixed
[20:00:45] <spineshark> in wow, yeah
[20:00:48] <Dizzy> holy crap
[20:00:54] <Dizzy> i forgot about bronto mafia
[20:01:01] <gahitsu> ahahaha
[20:01:02] <spineshark> same thing happened to me!
[20:01:03] <Dizzy> yeah i'll just uh... post a vote and shimmy away there...
[20:01:06] <Nodal> Bears ARE pretty big
[20:01:11] <gahitsu> :
[20:01:13] <gahitsu> : /
[20:01:17] <Dizzy> i'm just in the game as an extra body anyways
Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.
In fact, in my experience, it is usually the BADS that make sure their day 1 votes have "reasons" in order to avoid being dog-piled.
I am the Weretiger.
A new role has been added: Death. Analogous to the Devil, Death wins with the Vampires and has the powers of the Vigilante.
So, Lee was franky, and frank has to start off innocent.
What I'm saying is, we should probably bring him back at some point. Maybe a few more days in, so he doesn't just get turned because we all think he's inno.
random.org tell me to vote for Friday.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2qnmux3.gif)
Also I had a roleplay persona planned but it's been so long I just don't care anymore.
If Dracula tries to turn a wolf, neither of them die, but they both know each other.This could still be the headache talking, but what exactly keeps the bads from teaming up?
If im not mistaken, only one team can win? One small bit of deception or "forgotten" information and suddenly, you screw over the people who helped you win 5 minutes ago. I assume they 'can' team up, but I think itd be too risky.If Dracula tries to turn a wolf, neither of them die, but they both know each other.This could still be the headache talking, but what exactly keeps the bads from teaming up?
random.org tell me to vote for Friday.
[NOPE]
Also I had a roleplay persona planned but it's been so long I just don't care anymore.
Why were you so reluctant to vote for Friday? Is it because we waited so long for her to join and it would feel like a waste to just lynch her on the first day? I can sort of understand that, but it's not really optimal play. The fact that we waited for her has no affect on her probability of being a badguy.
You know, I'm sorry. I was specifically talking to you (Friend), but I was thinking of Newbie/dsfkhsdfjhsf. I was thinking of avatars when I was typing that (white with some blob on it), and just got the two of you mixed. My bad!
So anyhow. Newbie/dsfkhsdfjhsf, what's your magic Microsoft Office Eightball say?
I'm gonna vote for the next person to use a random number generator to decide their vote
Don't piss off the Random Number God! He'll just make tomorrow's items the Fog Machine, Cloak of Invisibility, and Air Bud.
Idr if this has been said... but keep in mind that the chances that Nick knew who his teamies were is low to say the least. I would not take his voting and suspicions as evidence for who is and who isnt a baddie.
You guys voting for Gahitsu based on a song is odd, do you have any other reasons for such?
Killing quiet people is generally how you don't get information, because if they are quiet then they are hiding something. Put the pressure on them and see if they crack and leak some intel. If they go for a immediate vote, press them further for more information on why they are being so quick to the gun.
I'm voting for Gahitsu Because I am about to go have a nap and now that darn song is stuck in my head.Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way.
Idr if this has been said... but keep in mind that the chances that Nick knew who his teamies were is low to say the least. I would not take his voting and suspicions as evidence for who is and who isnt a baddie.I didnt think of this originally, but you are right.
I understand why you're saying this but I disagree. Although he didn't know who his teammates were, he knew to direct votes away from the people he thought were suspicious instead of toward them.
no. telling everyone you're the weretiger so that they will get distracted from suspicious folks and bandwagon you is not helpful. it would maybe be helpful mid-game with the wolves looking for the weretiger and the town population starting to dwindle a bit, but this is day 1 and we have actual suspects.
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way.
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way.
Goddamn, this is frustrating. In TT Mafia we'd have 50 pages of text bombs to comb through by now.
I was thinking about how irritating that Dizzy seemed like he'd be participating in playing this game again but hasn't said anything at all today and then I foundQuoteno. telling everyone you're the weretiger so that they will get distracted from suspicious folks and bandwagon you is not helpful. it would maybe be helpful mid-game with the wolves looking for the weretiger and the town population starting to dwindle a bit, but this is day 1 and we have actual suspects.
from Nex in response to Dizzy claiming Weretigger, and since I don't see how anyone joking about being the 'tigger would be a good idea at any point in the game, and with lots of people putting bullshit votes without anything behind it - too many to vote for, in fact - I'll just cast my stone along with the rest for NexAdruin.
Voting for someone because you have a song in your head is no different than rolling a die or using a random number gen. You put no thought into it and have absolutely no reason to vote that way.
I don't have any reason to vote for anyone! If it was a choice, i'd just vote for nobody until I had some kind of idea for who to vote for.
Now this is just crazy talk. Assuming there was a vote to lynch no one, every day we chose that option would be another night of kills and turns. Besides a select few situations, the no lynch isn't very useful. The fact that you're in favor of a no lynch makes you very suspicious.
So is the theme of this game going to be that we've all got a team of mathematicians drumming up equations to point us in the right direction or what.
If you're suspicious of someone, call them the fuck out. Don't say "I'm suspicious of 5 people right now because of these factors I'm not telling anyone about." Not telling the town who is suspicious and why isn't a good way to help the town.
okay whatever Ardus let's go
I think it's pretty suspicious that you think it's suspicious that I'd rather avoid lynching people if I could!
No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.
Just because someone says that they vote for someone for a certain reason doesn't mean they're actually voting for that person for that reason. Plus, this is Envy you're talking about. Whatever his reputation elsewhere, in werewolf around these parts it is generally understood that Envy is a dangerous and powerful player. His seemingly innocuous facade hides a ruthless talent for this game, and he's won the game seemingly out of nowhere on more than one occasion. So we listen to Envy, and we watch Envy, but neither do we believe Envy or let him get too far out of our sight, lest he stab us in the back again.
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power.>Hoping to be power player
I'm also suspicious of Envy, who is really quiet compared to his usual self and I think that might be a tell.Envy is always quiet. He gets lynched or gets a LOT of votes during day 1 due to lack of posting.
If it isn't too late I'd like to use my hammertime right now but in 3 more votes i'm dead anyway and the day is over so whatevs.The last 3 votes havent come yet. I was up to 4 for a time and havent been lynched yet. At 6 or 7, the wolves/vamps could hammer the vote and kill you off without drawing much attention. I am going to wait and decide If I want to vote for you later tonight.
If it isn't too late I'd like to use my hammertime right now but in 3 more votes i'm dead anyway and the day is over so whatevs.The time limit has been extended by 24 hours. If, however, any player reaches the requisite number of votes (8) before that time, the day will still end.
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power.>Hoping to be power player
>Has no power
What?
What's that put me at, 5? I don't really know what I could be saying to make myself seem like the innocent that I am, which kinda sucks because I was hoping to be a power player in this game despite my lack of power.>Hoping to be power player
>Has no power
What?
I think he means he wanted to be a significant force in Mafia, sledgehammering the other teams, but wasn't given the power role means to do so.
Quiet ass motherfuckers better get in here soon.
at this point I think his death will give us the most information, since quite a few people have been both pushing for and pushing against his lynch.
Allowing someone to PI you or check you would probably be a waste. It would also allow your input into whatever night action you may or may not be able to do.
What's a good reason I shouldn't change my vote to you Nex? I'm pretty ready for this day to end and I feel you have a 66% chance of having a power at the moment.
NexAdruin may or may not be innocent, but at this point I think his death will give us the most information...Id have to agree.
Ardus is suspicious of me because I wanted to res Lee-Ham ...I removed the rest because frankly, you are not quite correct. Read day 1 again. I was suspicious of you BEFORE Night 1. Your posts afterward just reaffirmed my beliefs. I cant tell if you are trying to twist my words, just arent attentive, or if its an honest mistake.
I don't know Ardus very well, so it's hard for me to read him.With luck, we will get to play together again.
We're getting pretty good at this lynching thing! If we keep killing the innocents at least it'll be easier to hit the werewolves and vampires later on!
*Golf clap*
Will somebody just put me out of my misery?What?
Voting for me would be pretty silly! Unless you're not on our side, of course!
I will kill anybody who tells me that they don't want to play any more, or who goes a full day and night without interacting with the game (including privately). All players are expected to try to win; if you don't want to win, then say so and I will kill you. Anybody I kill in this way will lose, regardless of their stated victory condition.
There are no secret roles.
If Defenestration doesn't want to be the first person to cast a vote for Stush, then I'll do it for him.
This Dizzy thing is absurd. I will never knowingly vote for him. Enjoy your long life, Dizzy.
If Defenestration doesn't want to be the first person to cast a vote for Stush, then I'll do it for him.
I was waiting for his reply to explain his inevitably shitty logic as a gesture of goodwill. Since he just out and ignored me, I will definately vote for Stush.
Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.
I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.
Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.No, I saw this Stush. You didn't explain anything, and thus ignored me. That's nice that you don't want to hurt innocents, but you didn't give an alternate explanation as to your strategy to avoid doing this or explain any logic behind it. Good feelings and camaraderie don't kill wolfpires, logic, strategy, and cunning do.
I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.
We're getting pretty good at this lynching thing! If we keep killing the innocents at least it'll be easier to hit the werewolves and vampires later on!
*Golf clap*
Hey, just because I'm not a fan of lynching innocent people doesn't mean I won't try to help avoid us all becoming meals for monsters. It's just that there doesn't really seem to be any patterns or anything behind who gets lynched or who doesn't. This early on, you may as well just be throwing dice, it seems.
I agree with you that the silent people might be a problem, but their silence might be a lack of enthusiasm, as well.
Secondly, what logic was there to explain? I just don't like lynching innocent people, I'm sorry if I was supposed to just be all "Hell yeah, let's lynch all of the innocents!", But that's not really my style.
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.
Stush is being Crazy, but so is Defenestration.
Today, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.
Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.
The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.
Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.
The first three to vote for Nex (who, in case you forgot, was human) were Zara, Lottel, and then gahitsu. Zara's vote can easily be seen as an attempt to pressure Nex. Lottel's vote is suspicious because of the same reason he claimed Nex was suspicious - if Lottel thought it was suspicious to cast a second vote onto a person when the first post was supposedly an innocuous attempt at pressure, why would he then do the same to Nex?
And then we have gahitsu. The third vote was supposedly cast because Nex was 'joking about being the Weretiger', when he was actually posting about how claiming to be the Weretiger on the first day isn't productive. So... it's apparently super suspicious when somebody points out what would be a bad idea when playing? I guess that makes a lot of sense, seeing as Nex was a werew- no, wait, he was a fucking human!
I'd say Lottel's vote is pretty suspicious, but gahitsu's vote is way moreso. Seeing as though, again, Nex was a human, I think it would be in our best interest to, you know, actually put pressure on people who decided to lynch a human. Because there are, like, lycanthropires and such lurking about, and I'm pretty damn sure that it's pretty damn likely that they're going to be working together to do this exact thing that they're doing right now.
How can you type so much when you can't fucking read?
My complaint with Nex is that he was arguing that it is okay for a townie to claim Weretiger later during the game but not at the beginning.
But he also said stupid anti-town shit and I'm not going to feel bad about lynching a player for saying stupid anti-town shit, even if it turns out he's just a crappy vanilla.
Even if you aren't a bad, saying that you're justified about lynching a human for any reason is a good reason to lynch you anyways. The humans don't need players who are going lead bandwagons on their own kind.:hurr:
For shits and giggles, I'm going to point this out.
QuoteToday, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)
OK, Newbie. I'm willing to put up with your super secret "I am using google docs spreadsheet" voting strategy, but this seems like an incredibly arbitrary fucking reason to vote for someone. I'm not gonna vote for you because I've been wrong about your weird playstyle in the past, but please do us a favor and explain WHY POSTING FIRST is indicative of being a wolfpire.
This is a strawman. None of us (well, most of us) aren't trying to lynch innocents. No one said we wanted to kill innocents. We have, however, admitted that there will be innocent casualties when using the lynch. This is mostly unavoidable as a result of the uninformed nature of the town. We've brought this up already. You're either missing the point, or just being intentionally obtuse. Stush.
Well, Stush. It's time to say goodbye...
(http://i.imgur.com/CRxMr.jpg)
...to your tush.
If I was a badguy, why would I draw attention onto myself with posts that accomplish nothing?
I'm just saying this stuff because I just think it's funny that people act like they have a strategy, but it just seems like they either vote at random, or at the first person who catches their attention.
But yeah, is there any way I can change my vote to Dizzy? There's no reason for Dizzy to want to be lynched unless it's reverse psychology. If he wants out of the game, he can get out without us lynching him.
...Suffice to say, you don't want me dead. Unless you've scried me and are a bad. I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that....Mcdohl, I think i'm more confused by this post compared to anyone. It's wonderful that you believe I shouldn't die, I just wish I had a clue why you felt so strongly about this.
You keep mentioning that you don't want to kill innocents.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not trying to kill innocents, but it's inevitable if we're going to get rid of the other teams. So stop saying it. The lynch is necessary. But for now I'll retract my vote.
Yeah, I want to apologize for the inactivity. Some shit in my life got sorta hectic, and this thread was one of the last things to cross my mind.
Anyway, back to wolf.
Newbie, I can't really defend myself from your vote against me. Suffice to say, you don't want me dead. Unless you've scried me and are a bad. I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that.
I still say it's WAY too early for someone to be claiming weretiger. I never felt comfortable at all a few games back when I was the weretiger ninja. Now there's a weird dilemma, lemme tell you.
It might look retaliatory, but I feel that Newbie has something to hide.
Quote from: mcdohl...Suffice to say, you don't want me dead. Unless you've scried me and are a bad. I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that....Mcdohl, I think i'm more confused by this post compared to anyone. It's wonderful that you believe I shouldn't die, I just wish I had a clue why you felt so strongly about this.
And now I'm voting for you, Syl. Most of your posts so far have been entirely without content.Sadly i'm finding very little content to work with. I need to pay more attention to voting patterns and such, i simply haven't had the resources to comb the entire thread over. I'm quite worried about Friend as well, but that may just be the mastermind scheming s/he's doing.
If dizzy isn't the weretiger and is just a wolf or a vamp, then lynching him would be for the greater good, yes?
Dizzy knows how to play the game, he came out SAYING he was the weretiger in hopes that it would make people not vote for him. It's pretty damn obvious.
Sadly i'm finding very little content to work with. I need to pay more attention to voting patterns and such, i simply haven't had the resources to comb the entire thread over. I'm quite worried about Friend as well, but that may just be the mastermind scheming s/he's doing.
The fact that so many people are all brazenly "DON'T VOTE FOR DIZZY" is intriguing, at least. Curious if any of them are on the same side as dizzy.
This is what happened: I was contacted by a vampire early on. In exchange for posing as the Weretiger and distracting all other parties, I was told I would be granted eternal life and a place among the New Vampire Order after the rest of you were dead. I thought it was a good deal so I accepted it.
I have a hard time believing that a player who knew nobody on these boards (Syl) would randomly contact Dizzy with a plan to "take the heat off of the vampires" when no such heat existed.
My vote remains firmly on Dizzy. If he's innocent, then we can kill Syl.
Now, this is just my intuition, but I feel that Dizzy's just playing with you guys. He seems like the type to enjoy tricking people, because it amuses him. It's interesting because the first time he raised attention to himself, we ignored his cries for attention so he had to escalate the situation.notice how he escalated the situation even further by indicting syl as a vampire. If Syl turns out to be innocent, then I applaud you, Dizzy. You are a master of your craft and deserve the utmost respect and my admiration.
But really Dizzy's shit STILL makes no sense even if you are a vamp. Like. Why would you even contact him with the most ridiculous plan ever of having him claim tiger to distract the innocents from NOTHING DAY 1
The most hilarious thing would be if Dizzy was making everything up 100% completely, but you happened to be Dracula anyway.
If that is the case, I will fucking laugh till I cry.
Also Bongers Friday's still in your living list o' buddies.Fixed it.
Maybe getting lynched has its uses for the good guys. You never know.
I know Defenestration is a very canny player from his performance in the last game. I don't think he would overlook something as crucial as the number of votes the leading candidate for lynch has.
I am withdrawing my vote for Stush.
Envy's slip of the tongue yesterday that Lottel observed is probably very telling.
Welp, looks like there was less to discuss than I thought. Stush is still our best candidate.
I'm fine voting for Stush too.
Hm... anyone else think it's weird that Dizzy claimed Syl was a vampire when he actually turned out to be a werewolf?
Yes. If Dizzy had any sort of salient thoughts in his head, I couldn't figure them out.
Voting Stush because I have nothing better.
Um, unless my count is off, that was already 7 votes. We can still discuss who we want to lynch tomorrow, though, if you want.
I think that Stush is our best lead so far, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear more about what other people think about the Defenestration and Envy votes. If we just all pile on a single player each day, we'll rapidly find ourselves in the endgame with insufficient information to ferret out where the alliances were all along. Let's take our time with this; speeding the vote through without sufficient discussion benefits the evil teams more than the good.When, you know, the lead you're talking about is this:
Well, Dizzy put us onto Syl, who turned out to be a baddie, and syl said that Friend was a ninja weretiger, which sounds pretty scary.Which is like, an un-lead. The inverse of a lead. Unless you've got some pressing reason to think his shot in the dark (like, that you're colluding to kill innocents, for example) there's no reason to vote then unvote for him unless you've got new, serious suspicions.
I know it's pretty flimsy, but I mean, it worked before!
Yeah, you're right, I was a bit hasty... you also said this:I think that Stush is our best lead so far, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear more about what other people think about the Defenestration and Envy votes. If we just all pile on a single player each day, we'll rapidly find ourselves in the endgame with insufficient information to ferret out where the alliances were all along. Let's take our time with this; speeding the vote through without sufficient discussion benefits the evil teams more than the good.When, you know, the lead you're talking about is this:Well, Dizzy put us onto Syl, who turned out to be a baddie, and syl said that Friend was a ninja weretiger, which sounds pretty scary.Which is like, an un-lead. The inverse of a lead. Unless you've got some pressing reason to think his apparent shot in the dark (like, that you're colluding to kill innocents, for example) is anything but that, there's no reason to vote then unvote for him unless you've got new, serious suspicions.
I know it's pretty flimsy, but I mean, it worked before!
I buy what Friend is saying about the numbers of bads because, he and Stush are probably both bads. Just on different teams.
The nosferatus still have their master and backup master. They will likely turn more people.Keeping the weretiger around might be the only thing stalling a bad victory.
Total players: 13
Total baddies: 5-9.
Worst case scenario, innos are already outnumbered.
My belief that Stush wasn't the PI was based around the fact that he didn't say anything about Friend's second role as the Devil—I assumed the PI would have no reason to conceal that, as long as he was still aligned with the innocents, and so I didn't want to tip my hand to Stush (who I honestly thought was evil at the time) by showing that I knew Friend was the Devil.
Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.
The fact that Stush wants to kill Friend intrigues me, because I know for a fact that Friend is the weretiger: the PI accepted my bid to scry him last night. I wouldn't be admitting this right now, but since Friend is getting votes, that's enough reason to suspect at least one evil team is aware of his felinity.
I don't think we should vote Friend, since the wolfpires will be falling all over each other to kill him now.
Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.
The devil may count as an innocent, but just leaving a found weretiger seems like an incredibly poor idea at first glance.
The only thing that seems certain is that Stush is telling the truth if Friend outed himself as a weretiger.
I have no idea which way is up right now.
Remember the last time we killed somebody when everything was all batshit insane? Turns out they were a human and just fucking with everybody for some reason.
Maybe we should shelve the scenario presented to us and use the extra time to examine some other players who've said suspicious things. Like Lottel or gahitsu, for instance.
Yeah, I didn't say that Friend was the devil because I was trying to do it without letting out that I was the PI. But then I figured it was either out myself or get lynched. I was originally just gonna let myself get lynched just because I felt so dumb about it. But then I realised that was sort of selfish and a waste of a lynch.
I wish I could help you guys by telling you the results of my PI scries, but all of them were innocent and they're dead now.
My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.Since you're being mad bold, you should probably make sure to bold the name of the dude you're voting for so that BB can skim for bold font if he's in a hurry.
In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!
What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?
What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?
You wanted me to scry caithness, but the Fog machine was deployed.
My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.
In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!
If Bleck's betting his life on Lottel being a baddie, I see no reason not to test his hypothesis.
What about night 0?
Fffffine. I hate roll claiming but I'm the oracle and I want to make sure my scries aren't wasted like last time I was a seer role. I scried a Wolfy Kayma first night, human Friday second night, then a vamp Zara, and last was a wolf Envy.
I was HOPING to be able to collect more evidence against the two remaining alive on my list before trying to rally against them but there you have it. Kayma and Envy are wolf buddies
And why Friend?
I can put in 3 gold to the reconstitute Laser-fund.
And Caithness wants to do the bad's dirty work for them.
And Caithness wants to do the bad's dirty work for them.
Would you prefer to let the Weretiger win? Today could very well be the last of the game.
Lottel is definately scum. There is no question of that. But I'm still not convinced that leaving Friend alive is good idea for *anyone.* Hypothetical scenario; Vampires turn and win and use the Assassin's Blade up for bid up tonight. If lottel turns out to be a wolf, vamps just fufilled a winning condition, winning the game for Friend. We can kill Lottel tommorrow, and I encourage it in fact.
I mean, c'mon. Do you really think I'm going to win due to the bads all deciding to fuck up simultaneously?
I mean, c'mon. Do you really think I'm going to win due to the bads all deciding to fuck up simultaneously?
I believe you're counting on it. The wolves and vampires could both lose at a game of chicken: each one wants the other to be the one to kill you, and they keep putting it off until it's too late.
You've misinterpreted me; intentionally or not, I'm not really sure, but I wasn't comparing the competence of this game's bads to last game's bads. And I wouldn't say they've avoided killing each other, since I'm assuming the wolves must have killed dracula. Anyways, I'm sure they've likely decided to pull the trigger on killing me; for all I know, you've probably dug up zaratustra's grave to poison me.
But you're right. Our set of bads this time does seem to at least be more competent than the ones in the last game. They've at least managed to avoid killing themselves on each other. Perhaps one of them will be more likely to pull away and pull the trigger on you tonight. Vote rescinded.
I've still got plenty of reason to suspect Defenestration of being a bad, but McDohl's sitting on a scry instead of using it also seems very nefarious to me. You didn't happen to peek at either of them with your devil powers last night, did you?
Since today is probably the final day and because I'm not going to win, let me print my final list of suspects:I'm a little miffed you told everyone I'm the ninja, but whatever.
Caithness - Vampire
Classic - Ninja
Defenestration - Vampire
dtsund - Seer
Envy - Wolf
Friend - deviltiger
gahitsu - Wolfh
Kayma - Wolf
McDohl - ???
Stush - Pi/turned PI
You innocents need to figure out who to kill carefully.
I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.
I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.
Who were you thinking of picking?
I say that today we pick a "known" wolf, and let the bads kill Friend.
Who were you thinking of picking?
I didn't have an opinion between the two players that Lottel put forward (Kayma or Envy). The Devil/Weretiger friend corroborated on both, but I can't think of a reason for the vampires to mislead us about who the wolves are. Also, Lottel thinks pretty highly of Kayma's wolf abilities, so it'd fit his MO to scry Kayma, which is why I always lump them together.
So the question is, do we want to test these calls on the known strong player who's participating (Kayma) or the player of questionable ability who's currently being quiet, ostensibly due to work (Envy). I'm out of my hammertime to wait for Envy to pop in and defend himself.
And now that I can't use the poison to take out Friend, you're going to have to forego your turn tonight and kill him, Defenestration. He's sure to buy Wolfsbane to prevent a wolf-kill, after all.
Well, his goal is to win, obviously. That's why he wanted me so desperately to flip out and screw the innocents over.
I haven't really thought it through but after killing Caithness, the timing doesn't really seem right.I don't understand what you mean by this.
I voted for Envy as part of that big block of text.
tomorrow we find out stush mcdohl and defenestration are all vampires
How are you so goddamn certain that I am a vampire *specifically* anyway, might I ask? Certain I'm not a wolf? And if you are, why are you not targeting wolves? I understand if it will be difficult for you to see things from a town perspective now but I ask you to *try.* Compare how many vampire deaths there have been to wolf deaths. How many nights have the vampires scried instead of turning? There certainly can't be that many left, but somewhere around 4-5 wolves. We need to have wolves die, not vampires. It's ideal to even out the numbers of both sides for town, letting them pick each other off. The fact that you're so dead set on hunting vampires when we have not one but *two* wolf leads calls your allegiance into question. Wolf.
Do you refute this logic, Stush? If so explain why, like Friend did.
Here's why I didn't want to vote for a wolf (though I did one anyways due to petty revenge voting): I can't determine how many vampires are still in this game... I would feel more comfortable killing vampires than wolves is the wolves are a known entity to me.As a scrier, you goddamned idiot, the more time passes the more known entities you have. Getting rid of wolves means that we're not risking innocents on the lynch.
I haven't scried a single vampire this whole game. I really don't want to leave this night down to an unknown entity like that. Lastly, You've said there can only be 2 possible vamp turns, and 1 original vampire. The thing is, how do we know Newbie didn't turn someone the night he died?That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn. Unless the rules have changed, vamps don't get night 0 actions. Only the oracle does. If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.
You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves.No, you're wrong again. I keep mentioning the danger you represent TO the wolves. Because I want them, Envy, Kayma and Gahitsu, to work on killing you and the remaining vamps rather than trying to rush a victory by killing innocents and giving you a win.
Remember to use the PI tonight, guys. Even if you think i'm turned. I still can't give you inaccurate information.
it looks like you just got poisoned by Kayma.
As a scrier, you goddamned idiot, the more time passes the more known entities you have. Getting rid of wolves means that we're not risking innocents on the lynch.
That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn. Unless the rules have changed, vamps don't get night 0 actions. Only the oracle does. If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.
Dracula has a Night 0 scry.
You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves.No, you're wrong again. I keep mentioning the danger you represent TO the wolves. Because I want them, Envy, Kayma and Gahitsu, to work on killing you and the remaining vamps rather than trying to rush a victory by killing innocents and giving you a win.
If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.
Dtsund is the seer though he could be turned. dtsund, you might as well tell us who you scribed at this point because you're not helping anybody by being this quiet.Yep. Sorry, been busy lately, didn't have time to respond to this until now.
I feel if you're not turned already, then tonight is a great night to turn you because turning you simultaneously neuters the innocents of their only active player and you can be used as a weapon to take out the wolves. Especially if we kill another wolf, then with two wolves left, a ninja flip leaves the wolf team with one player and a vampire win.
That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn... If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.
Classic, I'm not sure what you're talking about. 5 nights, 5 turns, means a possible 7 vampires. We've killed 3 vampires, leaving a possible 4.
But seriously, it's pretty obvious that defenestration is a vampire, we know it and the wolves know it, so let the wolves deal with him for us, especially since they already have Gahitsu.
But seriously, it's pretty obvious that defenestration is a vampire, we know it and the wolves know it, so let the wolves deal with him for us, especially since they already have Gahitsu.
Are you sure you want to take a chance on it, though? Gahitsu could get killed, or just decide not to do it. And then one of us will probably be a vampire, which would not be a good situation.
Something I realized while brushing my teeth this morning - the Vampire Hunter's abilities count as a human power, which is almost dead last in priority. It certainly goes before anything the vampires want to do.
If I'm a wolf (cough), the vamps are going to have to either sacrifice one of their own or waste an item. If they push to hang me, they don't need to do that. Seriously, lynching me is the worst move Town could make right now. Innos are fucked anyway it seems, Friend is actively pushing for a vamp win, but if any of you aren't fangies, move the fuck off me k.
Wait what
I thought we needed 5 to lynch
Shut up. It's after curfew.Ah, osorry. I forgot about the time limit.Wait what
I thought we needed 5 to lynch
The day expired. Per the rules, the lynch is the first to reach an absolute majority or whoever has the most votes when the day expires.
And you're not worried about the *confirmed wolf with a lightsaber*?
You're going to have to explain to me why you're so eager to listen to Friend's every bit of advice. Friend is not your friend. He seeks only to kill off the weaker of the two factions so he can win the game for himself. The weretiger *is a bad* Stush.
Gosh darn it, I guess I fell for it. Classic is such a Tricksy little gosh darned Vampire Ninja, He's got the scry sucking crystal ball, too. And 10 delicious golds.
I guess I know who i'm voting for today. Classic
Also, a quick question. Doesn't someone need to vote for the target at some point to use the poison? Because i've been looking and I don't see any votes for Mcdohl in the last day.Try Post #467, by Kayma.
...Is this some sort of reverse vampire ploy to kill classic or something?
I would not have allowed the poisoning to proceed had its user not cast a vote for the victim as instructed.
yeah, killing a vampire and a wolf in one fell swoop was a terrible outcome and I deeply apologise for my part in it
A wolf with a lightsaber, sure, but his sure next act would be to off Friend, who helps *everybody*.
And killing the holder of a lightsaber whose next immediate goal would be to use it on Friend after Classic was lynched is not a bad outcome how?
I mean, shit, I admit I'm not certain that Stush is turned. I have literally no gold left. But I can't see *how he is not.*
[00:37] <Lee-Ham> so... I'm still cleaning grave dirt out of my ears but uh, Defenestration is 100% a badguy, right?
[00:38] <Defenestration> Don't give into this bullshit, Laser.
[00:38] <+BongoBill> I know the answer, but I'm not telling.
[00:38] <Lee-Ham> hey all I can see is that we're down to the wire and you're telling us to kill the PI because it's so obvious that he's probably turned
[00:39] <Defenestration> For one, I've never been scried. Or at least, noone has said they scried me. For two, we know Envy is the last wolf. Lottel was a turned oracle that was lynched before, and he outed Kayma and Envy as wolves.
[00:40] <+BongoBill> Incidentally, since you're having this conversation here, it will not be necessary for you to send me a log.
[00:40] <Defenestration> :V
[00:40] <Lee-Ham> do we know how many vamps are left? how many wolves?
[00:41] <Defenestration> There has to be one wolf if you do the math, and that wolf is probably Envy. I see no reason that Lottel would have lied about that in context.
[00:41] <Defenestration> We can kill Envy if you want. I'm for that. WE don't know about any vampires, other than this suspicion on myself.
[00:41] <Defenestration> I mean, have I been scried? Noone told me anything.
[00:43] <Lee-Ham> if there WERE any vampires though, killing the last wolf would be really great for them, especially if they then nightkilled the weretiger devil aka the human seer
[00:43] <Stush> I don't really like doing this stuff in here, it denies the other players a chance to see it.
[00:43] <Defenestration> Then paste it to the thread after we're done Stush, don't be dumb
[00:44] <Lee-Ham> that's what logs are for, Stooshers!
[00:44] <Defenestration> <3 Stush (vampire)
One of the remaining vampires is olrox, who can make more vampires, if i'm not mistaken.
The only way I can see it working is to hopefully take out the vampire today, then Friend tomorrow, and then the werewolf on the day after that.
Of course, if I get turned, and the vampires win, I'm on the winning team. But then I've also lost! Because I become the thing I've been fighting this whole time!
I'm not the kind of dude who switches sides just to get to hold the winner's trophy! And i'm not gonna listen to either you or Friend, If I can stop the vampires from being able to make more vampires, that's what i'm gonna do.
I lived and fought as a human, And I'll die as a human!
I'm voting for Defenestration.
Yes, by all means, let's take the advice of the goddamn weretiger
It's what he's been doing all game, why would he stop now? Logic is not his strong suit apparently. Or acting. Worst vampire ever, should have pressed the issue and had Newbie turn McDohl then like I was saying.
Why would the innocents have stood a better chance of winning if the weretiger wasn't about, though?
and Dizzy's pointless gambit (n.b. I asked him why he claimed weretiger and he said for no particular reason; apparently he found some way to be bored in a game like this)
Why would the innocents have stood a better chance of winning if the weretiger wasn't about, though?
I'd wanted to get on dtsund's case for being so irritatingly quiet, but I guess it was mostly a moot point because of his late turn. Still!
Defenestration and I were discussing some possible changes to the vampires. This is what we've come up with so far:
1) The Master Vampire no longer gets a scry.
2) Vampire attacks on wolves simply fail; the wolf doesn't learn they were attacked at all. Vampires don't learn why the attack failed.
3) To protect against Vampires, it is possible to acquire Garlic as long as the Vampire Hunter is alive, analogously to Wolfsbane. Garlic is acquired by trading in an unused or passive item. We haven't quite worked out the exact mechanics, but we're thinking one of the following: Either a) the user gives the item back to the Auction House, where it'll come up for auction again the next day, or b) the item is depleted or its passive effects are negated for a night and a day.
Also, I kind of agree that Frankenstein just isn't that fun a role.
A change to the Vampire Hunter would work well: on a missed attack, the Vampire Hunter loses their power's charge and learns that the target is not currently a vampire, but no other information is disseminated, and also the target is protected from vampires that night.
Would it be a permanent charge loss, or one that can be bought back?
Thoughts: Frankenstein is a dumb role. If he's innocent, there's no reason to dig him up until he's needed like in this game. If he's turned then he makes a fine distraction for both scum teams, but he'll just be lynched over and over. This doesn't add much of anything, and is a town nerf more than anything else. And it certainly doesn't seem much fun for the Frankenstien.
Death seems too strong, and the wrong approach to balancing the vampires to me.
Most of these seem like vampire nerfs. Given that this is apparently the first game the vampires have won, is this really appropriate?
We got our best victory odds from turning you, so that's what we did; note that this meant there was no longer any hope for an innocent victory. If the real reasoning behind that LaserBeing lynch was to force us to turn you to what ultimately wound up being the winning team, rather than potentially turning LaserBeing, then that was a cunning strategy that I can absolutely respect.
Laserbeing and Stush - WHY did you vote for a confirmed innocent on that last day? you knew who all the bads were and you could have gotten a majority against any of them (friend and envy to vote for vamps, defen and dtsund to vote for envy/friend). Stush spent most of the game not understanding what he was doing but Laserbeing has played before. That was basically the worst thing.
Stush spent most of the game not understanding what he was doing
why would you vote for me if you didn't even have the poison
And Friend, I don't know how you got so many to buy into your bullshit after you were outed for *three days straight,* but I respect that.buddy all you gotta do is tell the truth. That last day when you finally came out as Olrox almost got me lynched.
We would have won the next morning when Kayma won the lightsaber.If any of you had gotten the lightsaber I was going to flip out on you.
Hey kayma did you try to kill me that night you poisoned mcdohl
Hey kayma did you try to kill me that night you poisoned mcdohl
Good game, all. I wish I had not went to sleep that one night when the game continued and Classic shurikened my face.Who were you going to kill with the lightsaber? Classic or Friend?
I stand by my belief Envy's slip of the tongue gave away his alliance. I was inno when I spotted it and knew he was a wolf.
You really have to watch out for those things, guys. I've seen several people do such a thing, not just Envy.
Nex - while I really admire your spunk and the fact that not only did you overcome vanilla apathy, you actively swam against it ... I still don't see innocents outing themselves as bads and actively trying to get lynched being a good idea, whether it's at the crapshoot beginning or down-to-the-wire end. I guess you could come up with a convoluted inno bloc scheme, but inno blocs are always tenuous at very best and it's still a shitty move to bus one of your own without any tangible gain. Bads bus themselves to gain inno trust. What's there to gain by bussing innos and getting bads to trust you? I think if you actually succeed in convincing them of anything, you'd just convince them you're on the opposite side of the batdog buffet.
While I remain open to being swayed, as it stands I'd vote for you again any day of the week and twice on Sunday. <3
why would anyone ever bite the weretiger, unless the weretiger also had another role. You don't change his win condition, he has no extra allegiance to you. all you do by doing that is tell him exactly who is on your team. I GUESS it's a good way to force other people to kill him instead of doing it yourself, but since you spent a turn on him already, I'd much rather kill him as soon as an opportune moment arose--if we hadn't learmed dtsund was the seer, I was gonna kill Friend then and there.
As an aside, having our devil be the weretiger was the woooooooooooooooorst
"Unsportsmanlike conduct."
Yeah...
<BongoBill> Just tell me one thing, Dizzy.
<BongoBill> Why'd you do it?
<Dizzy> Do what?
<Dizzy> Bronto thing?
<BongoBill> Claim Weretiger.
<Dizzy> Oh yeah!
<Dizzy> Dunno. Felt like doing it for kicks.
<BongoBill> I won't claim to understand.
disrupt the game out of boredomThen they shouldn't have signed up in the first place. To sign up and not try to play is basically (very polite) trolling. I wouldn't assume that this is the case from this game (the town was pretty quiet throughout and kicking up shit is sometimes the best thing for a vanillocent to do), but apparently Dizzy's got some Talking Time history for playing in a way that looked like throwing the game.
On that note:
I was kind of pleased that Stush played as an innocent until he was turned. If you play the game with the intention of having your victory condition changed, it's the same as throwing the game for your original team.
On that note:
I was kind of pleased that Stush played as an innocent until he was turned. If you play the game with the intention of having your victory condition changed, it's the same as throwing the game for your original team.
I think the wereninja from 8.5 had the worst luck.
I think the wereninja from 8.5 had the worst luck.
You mean ME? Maaaan, I poked Bongo and was like "duuuuuuuuuude" and he was all "i dunno i just roll the dice"
Is Friday going to be the next person to run a (normal) Wolfpire game? When does that happen next?
Is Friday going to be the next person to run a (normal) Wolfpire game? When does that happen next?