JESUS CHRIST. How does a four-page thread manage to explode on the day my power goes out?
PETA's philosophies are backwards. you shouldn't bring animals up to human level, you should bring humans down. we're not special, we're fucking awful. we're capable of greater evil than animals ever could be. for that reason, they don't deserve to be butchered.
But directly insulting the reader for eating meat is going to push people away before they ever consider their point; they're probably more likely to just run out and eat steaks just to spite them.
So, um. Insulting people for eating meat is a losing strategy, but if you start telling them that the human race is pure evil =
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All the vegans I personally know have been very mellow about their decision. It's the meat eaters that are beginning to itch my shit. Their persecution complexes are starting to rival that of evangelicals.
Seriously. There's "PETA is tasteless and counterproductive" (true) and then there's "GODDAMN TINY PERCENT OF POPULATION IS OPPRESSING MY MAJORITY" crap.
all the chickens and turkeys would probably be eaten by foxes and stray dogs.
You do understand that there are untamed populations of both that thrive throughout the world, correct?
You DO understand that you're trying to explain the obvious to Drethelin, correct?
I don't know who took up the reins of translating this ship captain
...it DOES say "Brentai" right under his display name.
But I have no problem with what people do with their own diet, as long as they don't try and pawn it off on me. Can't expect everyone to have my world view, and in a way, I can admire dedication. I just think it's a waste of time(See: animal deaths associated to farming blahblahblah) and money.
The problem is that the way the meat industry is being run is not sustainable. I don't evangelize about the fact that I don't eat mammals, but truth be told, it's NOT just my problem. We've got cows destroying the ozone, pigs generating swamps of shit, and in general a culture of excess that needs to be curbed.
If I see someone driving a Hummer, I immediately assume that person is an asshole. I don't have the same rush-to-judgement reaction when I see someone eating a burger, but I DO think people should probably spend more time thinking about where their food comes from. (And of course this doesn't just apply to meat. If you're eating produce that's out of season, you're wasting energy.)
Personally I'll stop killing animals for food around the same time as mostly everything else.
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Also, why can't anyone else appreciate Geo's reasonable stance on the subject? Environmentalists generally don't go "OH MY GOD I MUST HAVE ZERO ENVIROMENTAL IMPACT". They minimize their impact. Which is a more reasonable, more appealing and ultimately more useful stance that doesn't scare people away and make you look like (as much as) a shitbag.
...You sort of just presented a false choice and then in the next paragraph explained why it's a false choice.
You know that meat in the grocery store? The animal it came from is dead. Refusing to eat that meat will not bring it back. And unless you somehow convinced everybody in the store to avoid it, the butcher is going to keep right on meeting his quota.
This reasoning is completely asinine. Carried to its logical conclusion, you're saying you should buy everything, everywhere; otherwise you're being wasteful.
GUILD.
Fear of traffic accidents and lung cancer is not the same as a moral stance against animal cruelty. The meat industry is not dangerous to humans, therefore it is unlikely to cause a public outcry.
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...You are saying that consumption of meat cannot cause health problems?
