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Activity Boards => Assorted Creations => Topic started by: Ziiro on August 30, 2011, 05:28:46 PM
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I've made a mistake.
I've been drawn back into 40k by a few friends who are going to get into playing it. Not doing this tau this time around, instead, completely custom Tzeentch chaos. I figure I'll make this thread to chart the progress of it all, because why not:
(http://i.imgur.com/X61Iz.jpg)
The current plan is to make my two squads like this. (Count as Thousand Sons rule wise). The one with the largest spikes is the sorcerer. There will be 3 with the Magus helms that will be like bodyguards visually. (Long curved horns) and the ones with hoods will be normal squad members.
My other army plans include (which I will update this thread with)
-Tzeentch Daemon prince. Take the base Daemon prince design, add more armor and large feathered wings.
-Scoripon Defiler(s)
-Sanguinary Guard (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m990169a_99120101085_BASanguinaryGuard1_873x627.jpg) based Raptors. Think I'm going to grab some normal Assault marines and give them a bit of a warped look rather than throwing the winged packs on normal Raptors. Haven't decided the final design yet.
Beyond this, I'm trying to figure out what I'd like to do with more units.
-Terminators.. I want to start with basic SM terminators I think. The chaos ones look too busy with the spikes and bullshit going on - plus the fact the weapons I'd like to use for them aren't represented on any chaos terminator.
-Dread? I'd have to start with this (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/Thousons7.jpg) due to the tzeentch designs and work out from there.
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You have a grand plan here that is going to cost a non-trival amount of money and digging around the web for bits and parts. What kind of experience do you already have in terms of working with models and painting? Do you have any prior examples of mini mod work?
I like the models you've put up here, I joined and quit 40k over a period of six months after I realized I love working on the models but hate actually attempting to play against the people I met. Without knowing your prior experience, I'm just going to attack what I see in the assembled models. Looks like your glue control is good, I'm not seeing excess on the bases or figure seams. Get a set of diamond files (Like these (http://www.garrettwade.com/5-micro-diamond-needle-files/p/10T01.07/)) and get rid of the sprue nub on your bolters. Then invest in a small hand drill (example (http://www.welburngourdfarm.com/microhanddrillwith6bits.aspx)) and give those bolters some depth by boring out the barrel and the muzzle brakes from the sides.
What have you been thinking about for color schemes? That may impact what color of primer you want to start with when painting time comes around.
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Color schemes are something I'm still tossing around. I'm having a bit of a mental lockdown on cloth/armor differences. I'd like to do Shades of Blue with accents of gold/silver. Purple/Pink/Blue for any daemonflesh. But I'm hung up on what to do with cloth vs armor. There's going to be some seams where they meet due to the customizing - my issue is, do I make them the same color? Different shades? I just don't know.
My actual experience with modeling/40k: I've built about 1000 points of Space Marines, 1500 of Tau and some various other models. I actually own a decent set of files and some x-acto knives to deal with mould lines and general touching up the models. I've actually got 90% of the bits lined up for these - I just need the bodies which I plan to get this weekend via these (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod900140a). I plan to work through it all very, very slow in general. When I have nothing to do with my hands I'm just going to shave off the lines, clean it up where I can, etc. I want to perfect my modeling on these before I move on to the painting - which cannot keep up at all with my visions of greatness.
Here's the plans (http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34218) for the defiler I'm going to make, by the way. It only actually requires 1 Kit + some bits purchased off ebay.
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I've decided to not use the hooded heads. They just seem.. Too close to the dark angels. I'll go with Magus heads on everything and the tall spiked heads on the sorcerers/squad leaders. However, my current issue I'm having with the chestpieces.
From the front, it looks great. (http://i.imgur.com/AuSdS.jpg) (See also the commander with the straight spikes on the head) But from the side, and admittedly, a very rare viewing angle: the belts don't match up. (http://i.imgur.com/r7txo.jpg) There is also a issue of a technical difference in materials from front to back. Cloth on the backside that turns to armor on the front? I could try to greenstuff the robe tapering off, but eh.. I'm just not sure if it would be visually worth it.
I really do like the end result of the magus helms + High collar however:
Link because the image is big. (http://i.imgur.com/N9feH.jpg)
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Color examples, but I worry these ones may look too much like the Thousand Sons.
Chestpiece and legs (http://imgur.com/SdJ98)
Side view (http://imgur.com/NLVCD)
Complete (http://imgur.com/d49eR)
Going to switch out some golds for silvers on mechanical components.
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>> Belts don't match up
Ever work with greenstuff? Two part plumbers putty. One strip is yellow, other is blue. Don't buy the shit in the GW tin, you can get a foot long roll of the stuff at a supply store for same price. Fill in the belts, use a an exacto blade to pat it flat, and trim the top and bottom flush with the smooth belt. Hardcore mode is filing off the flat belt and making your own rope belt out of greenstuff.
I was going to recommend black primer, but you've got yellow in there, which is usually a thin pigment and it's a BITCH to get an even layer of that with most brands. Privateer Press P3 paints claims to be superior by having triple the pigment count of other hobby paints, but I have never used P3 beyond their line of metallics. For yellow, I would recommend a gray base primer. If you use black (which lets you cheat a TON for shading), you will get thin areas where black shows under the yellow. I should correct that statement. *I* got thin areas with yellow paint. Mostly when I was working on Altioc craftworld eldar which use a similar color scheme. The only time I got it to work was when I was using Testors acrylics with an airbrush and copius amounts of airbrush thinner. I primarily worked with Game Colour from the Vallejo paint line.
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Hm. Actually the yellow represents burnished gold paint color. I was thinking of using black primer again for sure. I'm actually going to use the set of 5 I've got the pictures of so far to actually test paint schemes on actual figures. I have enough bits to create the remaining 20 for the 2 squads.
I'm going to make the horns a dirty bone color - drybrush on some brown over white. The tips/armor pieces will probably be silver.
As for the belts: I've worked with greenstuff in the past on a very large scale, using it as a support and moulding tool and less of a detail tool. I didn't find it particullary easy to shape, so I may have trouble making a belt out of it that doesn't look like crap.
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For smaller, more detailed work, I have heard good things about 'brownstuff' (http://www.thewarstore.com/brownaluminumepoxymodelingputty.html).
Apparently it's easier to work with for finer detail.
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Goddamnit.
I just placed my order this morning. I'll grab some greenstuff locally and learn to do minute detail. Do you know of any sites that detail the best ways to work with greenstuff? Looking specifically for tips on how to smooth it out.
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Looks like there was a blog that attempted to detail usage with it: http://www.greenstuffsculpting.com (http://www.greenstuffsculpting.com)
I gotta prep for a technical phone-screen, I'll dig into my resources later on and fish out more useful material.
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This reminds me that I actually went back and started painting and converting minis I'd meant to paint for like, ten years.
Greenstuff can be okay to work with, but it can be sticky and soft. If you want something a bit firmer, you might try Milliput.
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Yeah, working with kneadite or greenstuff, you will want to either have a separate jar of water to keep your fingers wet or some swear by using a tiny touch of Vaseline on your fingers.
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Is there a specific brand of tools you guys can suggest? Or would I be fine grabbing something like this hand drill (http://www.amazon.com/DURATOOL-KTDC-Micro-Hand-Drill/dp/B00470FYXC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315436025&sr=8-1) and this hobby saw? (http://www.amazon.com/Midwest-Products-Hobby-Craft-Deluxe/dp/B000BRFWNW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315436056&sr=8-1) I already have a set of diamond hobby files which work out great.
Speaking of - suggestions to smooth out sections I had to file on? More green stuff?
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Yeah, working with kneadite or greenstuff, you will want to either have a separate jar of water to keep your fingers wet or some swear by using a tiny touch of Vaseline on your fingers.
I always used hand sanitizer. Be sure to spread it on your tools too, so they don't stick.
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Is there a specific brand of tools you guys can suggest? Or would I be fine grabbing something like this hand drill (http://www.amazon.com/DURATOOL-KTDC-Micro-Hand-Drill/dp/B00470FYXC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315436025&sr=8-1) and this hobby saw? (http://www.amazon.com/Midwest-Products-Hobby-Craft-Deluxe/dp/B000BRFWNW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315436056&sr=8-1) I already have a set of diamond hobby files which work out great.
Speaking of - suggestions to smooth out sections I had to file on? More green stuff?
Some people use a slurry of greenstuff and water (this to taste), but that can be hard to manipulate. You may be able to get away with hiding it through the paint, but that depends on where and how deep the file marks are.
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Well I had intended to play some Space Marine when I got home today. But instead I got a big box from FedEx and another smaller box in my mail.
(http://i.imgur.com/1gOiL.jpg)
-5!(I only ordered 4) Dark Angels Chapter Upgrades grabbed mostly for the bodies
-A set of Veteran Space Marines to convert into jump troops
-Tzeentch Symbols for future vehicle use
And the box of bits on the right is my box of collected bits to actually make the custom units.
Time to superglue my fingers together.
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(http://i.imgur.com/abVgP.jpg)
Finished the "Raptors" yesterday, got the monument to my greed in the mail today.
However, I didn't get my fucking chestpiece bits for my marines though. Should get them tomorrow.
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Haha fuck yessssssssssssssssssss lazcannon chaos baneblade.
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It's actually a Stormblade. It has a plasma cannon which can straight up eliminate other titans/vehicles with the destroyer trait, or throw down templates to buttfuck mass infantry. The lascannon sponsons on the side are also there to kill vehicles.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/STORMBLADE-ARKURION-PATTERN.html (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/STORMBLADE-ARKURION-PATTERN.html)
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Well, in any case, you'll be chaos-ing it up, I assume?
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Tzeentch symbols and some very minor chaos-y spike bits, yep.
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Built my Daemon Prince. Must less conversion needed, only needed two bits to make it look real good for now. I just need to grab some nice feathered wings for it and it's done.
(http://i.imgur.com/yyJtX.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/3Mr2F.jpg)
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Well, in any case, you'll be chaos-ing it up, I assume?
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/262/7/0/Slaaneshi_Baneblade_by_Mr_Culexus.jpg)
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I like Buge's plan better. :lol:
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Slaanesh isn't my thing. I may make a Slaanesh Daemon prince eventually, but that would just be because they have the best daemon prince ability mechanically.
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(http://i.imgur.com/44brF.jpg)
At least the troops will be done soon. I've got all of the bits necessary now. Need to finish putting them together for a game tonight!
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Slaanesh isn't my thing. I may make a Slaanesh Daemon prince eventually, but that would just be because they have the best daemon prince ability mechanically.
(http://i.imgur.com/brpSp.jpg)
:perfect:
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Only two boobs? That's not Slaanesh.
And If I was worth a damn with greenstuff at all, I would aim to make that a Slaanesh Daemon Prince, yes. There were some on Ebay a week or two ago that were Daemonette looking Daemon Princes which I briefly considered, but one project at a time is the most important part of this kind of shit for me.
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both boobs? That's not Slaanesh.
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Who says they're boobs?
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(http://i.imgur.com/0J1GL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HSHTg.jpg)
My hands hurt.
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Looks good so far!
How did the game go?
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The game was actually cancelled because the other guys got busy. Looking at later in the week, however.
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The game was actually cancelled because the other guys got busy.
(http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2055/thumb_620x2000/Just_as_planned_tzeentch.jpg)
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Most likely true. I was not ready to fight Tyranids yesterday. I guess I'll work on a defiler next and slap together the
METAL BAWCKSES Rhinos to give my troops cover and transport.
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2v1 game with my friend. Chaos+Orks vs Tyranids. Turns out a half-ass Ork and Chaos army lacking it's designed mass infantry counters can't do well against tyranids. WHO KNEW.
Fuck feel no pain on genestealers. That shit is ridiculous. Actually, just fuck Tervigons in general. They seem really really good.
At least my Daemon prince has his badass wings, now:
(http://i.imgur.com/nCDBs.jpg)
Eagle wings.
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Sort of on pause due to finances at the moment, but I realized something wrong with this:
(http://i.imgur.com/NLVCD.jpg)
Even with the belts fixed, I'm not sure this elimiates the issue of material for the back of the upper torso. Should it be painted like armor? At which point does what they're wearing become some sort of dress? Should it be painted like the robe?
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Ever changing future plans:
Projects in Order:
-Scorpion Defiler (Parts acquired)
-Standard Chaos Rhinos (x2) [I really don't know what to do with these.]
-Terminator Lords as terminators with lightning claws (x2)
-Terminator Lords customized as Obliterators (x3) (Buying extra bits to attach to them to represent all weapons available to an obliterator. Maybe on mechanical arms from their back? Haven't figured that out yet.)
-Custom Khorne/Tzeentch Berserkers (Built like my other units. From $cratch to resemble the same thing)
-Custom Raptors. My current concept doesn't pan out and look chaos-y enough in the long run. Will probably make them look the same as my troops (Again, built from $cratch)
I've done some preliminary price checking and ideas for the raptors and berserkers.
(For Berserkers and Raptors.)
Heads (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31683.html)
Left Shoulders (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31675.html)
Right Shoulders (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31656.html)
Upper Torso front (http://www.thewarstore.com/product33972.html)
Hand Ranged weapon (http://www.thewarstore.com/product26718.html)
Bodies (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod900140a)
(RAPTOR SPECIFIC)
Special hand weapon (http://www.thewarstore.com/product53480.html)
Raptor Melee Weapon 1 (http://www.thewarstore.com/product27027.html)
Raptor Melee Weapon 2 (http://www.thewarstore.com/product27028.html)
Raptor Aspiring Champion Claws (http://www.thewarstore.com/product50313.html)
(BERZERKER SPECIFIC)
Berzerker Arms (http://www.thewarstore.com/product26721.html)
Backpacks for Berzerkers (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31654.html)
I have a very serious problem.
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Ever changing future plans:
:perfect:
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M. Bison "Yes Yes!" Widescreen HD reupload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws)
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(http://i.imgur.com/3vEld.jpg)
Thrown together from bits I had laying around as a sort of proof of concept for a new raptor design. I have 4 more bodies and a couple chest pieces I could try. They're not the same MK8, but they're close..
Those terminator claws aren't staying. Going to use Space Wolf Lightning Claws (http://www.thewarstore.com/product50313.html) for this guy actually.
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So in looking for unique hand weapons for my possible Khorne Berserkers and better done raptors, I found these:
Daemon Sword (http://www.thewarstore.com/product45386.html)
Daemon Sword 2 (http://www.thewarstore.com/product45387.html)
Chaos Knight Weapons (http://www.thewarstore.com/product45385.html)
I might use the Daemon Swords for the Raptors and the Knight weapons for the Berserkers. I also found some other cool things to use:
Champion Horned Head (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31685.html#31685) (For the normal Berserkers)
Chaos Terminator Lord Head (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31243.html#31243) (Skull Champion is the Berserker Leader)
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Basically, you just want this looking as much as possible like a Motorhead album cover.
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Well, I mean, that IS what chaos is based off of
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wpufZlUyNpE/TmOPM7PWfDI/AAAAAAAAALo/4hdJdHzgQlc/s320/lemmy.jpg)
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I have some Khorne Berserker bits lying around. You want 'em, Ziiro?
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Hm.. I think I'll pass. I only need one actual set of pieces from the Khorne Berserker box (Bolt pistol arms) to make my Khorne Berserkers. And I need them in such numbers it's not really viable to ask others. Thanks for the offer, though!
My current concern is how the Chaos Knight Weapons and Daemon swords are going to fit a shoulder pad. Probably fixable with creative scalpel work, in any case.
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Weapon holding arms for obliterator count-as, I have this idea in mind:
First, I want to list for the unaware, all the weapons an Obliterator has available:
Lascannon
Multi-melta
Plasma Cannon
Twin-Linked Plasma gun
Twin-linked Melta gun
Twin-Linked Flamer
Powerfist
Obviously I can't represent all of these in their very specific forms, but I want to give the impression these are Chaos weapon masters of some kind.
The base terminators themselves would be running with a power fist (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31240.html) on the left arm and a Combi-melta (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31252.html) on the left arm. These come with the Terminator Lord kits.
Plasma Cannon (http://www.thewarstore.com/product47416.html) (Maybe with a Chaos Plasma gun (http://www.thewarstore.com/product31690.html) on the same arm next to it) coming over the shoulders or coming from the sides of the torso.
Lascannon (http://www.thewarstore.com/product26940.html) same as above.
Flamer (http://www.thewarstore.com/product27089.html) under the power fist on the left arm, or attached to the top of it.* (Once I actually see the model I might go with something smaller like a hand flamer. (http://www.thewarstore.com/product53480.html) )
Plasma pistol (http://www.thewarstore.com/product26716.html) attached to the combi-melta on the right arm in some way
Possibilities for mounting the Plasma cannon and Lascannons: With the blades removed from Tyranid Warrior arms (http://www.thewarstore.com/product27220.html) and them attached? Greenstuff a slightly more organic attachment? This just strikes me as a bit of a stretch and I need something more mechanical, but nothing is coming to mind at all. TIME TO CHECK THE TOY STORE FOR SOMETHING I CAN BUTCHER.
Edit: I browsed cool mini or not and found this (http://www.coolminiornot.com/275362?browseid=619669) and this (http://www.coolminiornot.com/247925?browseid=619669) but neither have the exact look I'm looking for. Hmm.
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Serious dedication to how your models look. You must be breathing money onto these things. Any luck figuring out what you wanted to do with the mismatching front/back bodies?
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Serious dedication to how your models look. You must be breathing money onto these things.
The look of them is everything to me. I want to create something that is truly unique in design and feel. As far as money? I haven't spent anything yet since I bought the Daemon prince. This is all just planning and planning to make sure I get exactly what I need in the numbers I need to make them look how I want. In the end however, I'd like to have a flexible, well-rounded army to field that keeps this consistent look and feel.
As far as the armor colors go? I'm going to paint one of each and see what looks better. One with the white back and one with a blue back. I will probably go with blue on both sides, however. My concern is that it will look something like a dress instead of a robe if I do that, but I suppose it'll still look plenty sorcerous, looking at this for an example: Sorcerer (http://www.coolminiornot.com/270447?browseid=620229)
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Bits order came in. Took a bit to properly sort and make sure it was all there, but they're all clipped and bagged and ready to be used when I get the rest of the parts/units over the next couple of days.
small problem: Dark Souls comes out tomorrow. I probably won't get this stuff done for a while, yet.
Raptor Aspiring Champion proper:
(http://i.imgur.com/98QMV.jpg)
Note: Going through so many different bits has show me the different generations of plastics that GW has used gives a very interesting picture of the degradation of their quality and material. Some of the older, lighter plastic had no flashing or bad cuts at all. The more recent, darker plastic had so much to clean off it was ridiculous.
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Is that the 'finecast' stuff you're referring to?
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No, I mean this:
(http://i.imgur.com/fWKui.jpg)
The one on the far right probably needs to be in the middle actually. But you get the idea
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Turned the head of the raptor. Now included: Terminator lord (Not sure about the arms/shoulders yet) and my "Khorne" Berzerker skull champion.
(http://i.imgur.com/Wfngn.jpg)
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SPARE CHANGE! SPARE CHANGE FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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He's even got a cup and everything.
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SPARE CHANGE! SPARE CHANGE FOR THE BLOOD RAVEN GOD!
Close enough.
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(http://i.imgur.com/r8JqJ.jpg)
Rank and File Raptor and Berzerker. I have to greenstuff the necks of the 'zerkers, because the head is too large to fit behind the high collar.
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Building the Rhinos. I'll have pictures later. But I just thought I'd mention that putting together Imperial vehicles is a bitch. They're incredibly angular and boxy and it's hard to get it to look perfect because if you mess up one angle by a degree, the whole thing is thrown off and it looks tacky.
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That's what vices are for, my good man.
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We'll just call the mediocre construction chaos' fault.
uh, yeah. that's it. Pictures to come. Putting together the last one. Second one was easier because I figured a better order to put them in, but there's still a spot that isn't flush that is driving me insane to look at.
Fuck these things. I don't have a hobby vice. Visually I'm not 100% sure what to do with them either, so I'm making them pretty generic chaos. Maybe far far down the road I'll make new ones when I'm more experienced, but these will do for now. The need is mostly gameplay and mechanical.
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My current Workbench.
(http://i.imgur.com/07Oet.jpg)
The boxes in the top right there are for the bags, my random bits box, and my selected bits box. Shown are all the models I built yesterday and today. To go: 1 Rhino. 4 Terminator Lords, 3 "Obliterators" and my defiler.
Not pictured: The rest of my army. I'll have a complete picture eventually.
Completed Raptor squad (http://i.imgur.com/WfsHl.jpg) (still needs mold line detailing) and Berserkers (http://i.imgur.com/EvKJf.jpg) (Same treatment, and I hate the fact that those front two look alike. That's the problem with two sets of legs and only three sets of arms that are hard to mod.)
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You still continue to amaze me in that you're actually buying boatloads of figures, cleaning them up, and assembling them.... Next you'll tell me you actually /play/ this game.. /TG/ would say you've missed the point but I think you're on to something here.
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I've got the drive to finish the models because I love building them. I'm pretty eager to play it as well - couple friends and I are building up our armies and setting up for some games. My one issue however is I have little to no drive to actually paint these (because I could not do them justice) and I'm trying to find a solution to that.
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Oh, just go ahead and use them bare. It will surely irk the hell out of some tourney neckbeard.
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My friend did the body up for me per the guide I linked him. He used a dremmel or something - but it turned out PERFECT. I was excited to put it together tonight. This is what I've got so far: It needs a tail. But I had to get a face on it. I've been stressing over it for a while, and I just decided "fuck it, lets glue stuff together and see what we come up with
(http://i.imgur.com/2wDL6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wUuk1.jpg)
IT HAS A MISSILE LAUNCHER FOR A FACE, YES. C H A O S
Fuck it. Those are compound eyes. Time to get another missile launcher.
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(http://i.imgur.com/fhPYD.jpg)
Grabbed the bonesaw. Built the tail. However, because I'm using the havoc launcher for the eyes I'm going to need a new weapon sprue to get another one on the tail. But then it would be asymmetrical. hmm.
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Split it into two packs of three missile each with a fine S-shaped cut, then mount them on the sides?
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The changed plan: Lascannon is going on one side, Havoc launcher on the other. This way I have every weapon possible to the model represented and I have the ability to count it as anything.
(http://i.imgur.com/uPxwG.jpg)
The Standing army.
Incomplete:
Defiler
Thousand sons Rhino
Unbuilt:
3 "Obliterators"
4 Terminator Lords
1 Rhino
In transit
-Thousand Sons Forgeworld Dreadnought. Expected around the first of November
-Bits to finish Defiler and Base for above mentioned dreadnought
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(http://i.imgur.com/rPSVd.jpg)
Obliterators completed. With these (and Terminators I finish but have not pictured yet) I have completed my 2k+ Army point project* and I have learned one very important thing from it all. Fuck building rhinos. Those are the most unpleasant things in the world to build. Everything else was a blast.
*(building phase. Still need to clean up each model and paint and base. But hey, I'm glad one step is over with.)
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needs more dakka
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Obliterators have more dakka than any other unit on the battlefield in all of 40k! It's a fact.
And although the core of my army is done I'm waiting for a few more things to come in. Namely:
-Bits to finish the Defiler
-Forgeworld Contemptor Dreadnought + Dual CCW arms
-Forgeworld Thousand Sons Dreadnought + Detailed Base
-Watching another Forgeworld Thousand Sons Dreadnought on ebay to maybe snatch it up for cheap.
In the mean time? Time to clean up mold lines, clipping marks, etc.
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(http://i.imgur.com/XH1I3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MrMgb.jpg)
It's a little crooked, but fuck it. :perfect:
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It's crooked because Chaos
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It's crooked because Hey baby!
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Okay, I am very curious about proposed paint schemes for laser-death-scorpion there. Tzeentch, right? So deep blues with a black ink wash with gold highlights?
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Blue as the primary armor color. Dark silver/gunmetal for any exposed machinery and highlights on the plates themselves. I may work in some purple for the detailings and pipings, but mostly blue/silver actually.
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2k Points + A Stormblade.
(http://i.imgur.com/tySUB.jpg)
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Stormblade is the one with the plasma destroyer right? Can you even field that in a conventional game?
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Apoc only. However between me and my friends I've come up with some experimental rules I'd like to run by them to try it in a normal game.
Base Stormblade has 3 structure points and uses Apoc templates for the plasma cannon - it's a 450 point unit.
What I'm suggesting to them is I'll ditch the structure points and use normal templates (The gun has two attacks at different ranges using different templates. Shorter range has a bigger template.) for -100 points, so 350 for what is basically a big multi-weapon tank. I might cut the ranges in half as well, as they are currently kind of ridiculous. I think there's something to be said about movement and number of weapons fired, as well, but we'll see about that when I get a chance to playtest the rules.
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Oh god you're using HOMEBREW. To have FUN. Your Tzeentchness is impressive. Somwhere a neckbeard is squirming under his own neckfat because JESUS CHRIST SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR FUN.
I hope that works out for you. Homebrew tends to lead to fun fluff to describe why your army is different and to make it unique. I'd even go as far as to try making a custom scenario. Also if your rules for the tank are too effective, consider tacking rules on where it gives your opponent a slight advantage (If in play, one enemy troop or heavy unit may take an anti-tank wargear option free)
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Got my first Thousand Sons Dread. Got it off Ebay, and it came with 3 arms. (Autocannon and Chainfist, with bonus plasma cannon! I didn't expect that - it wasn't in the description)
Cost of parts including shipping:
From Forgeworld:$88.65
From China: $61
Just won another one of the exact same thing for $40 shipped, too. (Here's to hoping this one comes with a plasma cannon too. It's still a steal, even if it didn't)
:perfect:
However, looking at the pieces? This thing is going to take a lot of work. There's a decent amount of excess resin and flashing to deal with, but it shouldn't be too difficult. Just time consuming. I'll have pictures once I get home.
Oh, and I'm going to spend the money to get some nice bases as well. Looking at the "Straight from Hell" sets from Scribor.
40mm (http://www.thewarstore.com/product59247.html)
60mm (http://www.thewarstore.com/product59248.html)
25mm (http://www.thewarstore.com/product59249.html)
With the red painted as chaos-y teal and purple of course.
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Those bases look really good, so long as they're cast well and don't have a fuckton of excess you have to trim.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Y1lXt.jpg)
Resin is REALLY weird to work with after having only fucked around with plastic before now.
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Ouch. There are some serious mould shift lines on those weapons.
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Yeah. I'm doing my best to scrape and even that out. But again, resin is weird.
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Best you can do is file that down (For the love of god wear a dust mask if you sand resin), or do your best to even the shift with an exacto blade. The split along the chainsaw teeth doesn't make it look too bad, might make it look more like serrated blades Chaos would use. The alternative would be a mix of filing and using green stuff/brown stuff to even out the seams. There's not much you can do about the shift short of cutting the entire piece perfectly down the seam and lining it up. And if you can do that, I would like to commission you for some work.
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Played my first 1500 point game with the complete army! :8D:
Got annihilated. Every unit I had was dead [spoiler]in an objective game.[/spoiler] ::(:
I needed to learn how all my units worked anyway. What was effective, what was useless, etc. I knew the theory but I needed to see how it actually worked. Which I did! So I have adjusted my list accordingly. I also had some incredibly bad luck.
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Project is on hold again due to other issues.
In the meantime, I have this to report: I received my other dread from China today! They sent the wrong one. I have an Alpha Legion Dreadnought with no head. I've contacted the seller and based on their history it seems like they'll fix this fairly quick, hopefully.
The ever changing plan:
-Receive final Thousand Sons Dread And Contemptor
-Order all the fancy bases I need from TheWarStore for every unit in my army
-Move from one base to the other, and in the process perform a final visual check for flashing/imperfections errors on every model.
-Fix up vehicle seams and imperfections (It'll be a good time to try that Liquid Green stuff (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1380020a))
Then we can move on to modding my Stormblade. I'd really like to make it look something kind of like this one (http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/12/146922_md-Apocalypse%2C%20Chaos%2C%20Chaos%20Space%20Marines%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Forge%20World%2C%20Lost%20And%20The%20Damned.jpg)
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Soooo they're sending me the right one and told me to keep the one I got.
I now have a Forgeworld Alpha Legion Dreadnought... without a head. It has an autocannon arm and a chainfist arm and all other pieces are accounted for. (Legs, feet, engine on the back are all there)
Any ideas? Was thinking laying it flat to make an objective.
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So someone was showing us pictures of old-school Chaos Dwarves they'd painted and one the onlookers had the best comment "Man, they're like garden gnomes on E".
:lol:
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Ended up selling it to a friend.
[spoiler]He plays Orks.[/spoiler]
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:glee:
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YESSSSSSSSSS
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So. contemptor dreadnought. Good god damn that's a lot of parts.
Not my photo, but exactly what I have currently in my posession:
(http://tentakelgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Contemptor1.jpg)
Can't really put any of it together because this thing is so posable and I don't have a base for it yet. Tragedy.
I'm going to have to build this thing from feet up in order to pose it properly. However there is an.. Option I'm considering. [spoiler]Sorcerer Dreadnought, anyone? I have a strange feeling they're going to be in the next codex anyway.
[/spoiler]
The reason the project is on hold: saving up the money to buy the bases for all the units at once. Getting really nice Scibor bases with individual ones for each unit types.
-Troops will have "Straight from hell"
-Berserkers will have Snow-covered Shael
-Haven't decided of the distrubition of the 40mm, but I'm ordering a few options.
-4 different 60mm bases, but the one for the other 1k sons Dread will be similar style to the one I posted above. The others are going for my Daemon prince and contemptor. Haven't decided which for which yet though.
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Outlook for finishing the army this year is not looking good. It's a bit of a downer actually. I've been juggling my finances a lot and holidays are coming up. It I didn't want to go big with the bases I could get to priming and painting.. But.. I refuse to compromise on my vision.
On the brighter side: Here's what he's done with the dread:
(http://i.imgur.com/3aqbZ.jpg)
He's got to mod the legs next and add more bitz, I tells him!
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Needs some space for gretchins!
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Got my other Thousand Sons dread today, finally. And outlook is seemingly better to finish it this year. Getting next couple weeks finances in order to see if I can work in ordering all the bases. We'll see.
I now have in my possession every chaos unit I could possibly ever want. 3k Points worth.
Well.. Maybe a Land Raider next...
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This now appears to be the only active tabletop 40k-related thread, so uh, here:
(http://coolminiornot.com/pics/pics15/img4ee0d2bbc1d49.jpg)
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The pose is kind of awkward. It looks like the terminator is about to fall forward.
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Goddamn Ultrasmurfs.
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If you mailed them to me, it would only take five thousand years.
Out of curiosity, how many pieces were in your army, and what was the colour scheme you were going for?
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/csmp.php (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/csmp.php) <- This could be useful for determining colour schemes.
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-Daemon Prince
-18 Marines
-2 Aspiring Sorcerers
-4 Raptors
-1 Raptor Aspiring Champion
-9 "Khorne Berserkers"
-1 Skull Champion
-3 Rhinos
-3 Obliterators
-5 Chaos Terminator Lords
-Defiler
-2 Tzeentch Dreadnoughts
-1 Contemptor Dreadnought
-5 Elite Chosen
Basics
-Dark Blue Armor plates
-Metallic Silver trim, few gold accents
-White Cloth with a black stripe down the middle front
-Demonflesh is a Wash of Purple/bright blue splotches (Daemon princes exposed skin, the claws on some backpacks
-Horns and bone bits would be white with a light wash of devlin mud. (Hm, but maybe they should be pristine white ivory)
-Red Eyes/Glow
A bolter and chainsword link, but I'm not entirely sold on it yet. (http://bolterandchainsword.com/csms.php?bpe=A8A7A7&bpj=0D0000&bp=2D2D96&bpc=2D2D96&bpn=EDE76B&hdt=2D2D96&hrn=A39465&hdm=2D2D96&hdl=2D2D96&ey=F50529&er=2D2D96&pi=EDE76B&nk=A8A7A7&ch=2D2D96&abs=2D2D96&bt=0A0000&btd=EDE76B&cod=2D2D96&ull=2D2D96&lll=2D2D96&lft=2D2D96&url=2D2D96&lrl=2D2D96&rft=2D2D96&slt=A8A7A7&sli=2D2D96&srt=A8A7A7&sri=2D2D96&ula=2D2D96&lel=2D2D96&lla=2D2D96&lh=2D2D96&ura=2D2D96&rel=2D2D96&rla=2D2D96&rh=2D2D96&ri=A8A7A7&tr=A8A7A7&bg=FFFFFF&rb=050500&gr=A8A7A7&grid=TRUE)
Upon posting this I'm realizing what an insane task this is going to be, so nevermind about outsourcing it. Goddamn.
Sidenote: I may be able to buy my bases I've been wanting come friday depending how the paycheck pans out.
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"Hey I can totally buy those bases now!"
Out of stock, out of stock, out of stock.
::(:
Time to look for some different ones I guess. Or at least a different composition.
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Thanks to a friendly reminder from Büge...
25mm Bases for: 1k Sons/Sorcs/Chosen (http://www.thewarstore.com/product47989.html)
25mm Bases for: Berserkers (http://www.thewarstore.com/product59249.html)
25mm Bases for: Raptors (http://www.thewarstore.com/product59238.html)
40mm Bases for: Terminators (http://www.thewarstore.com/product47990.html)
40mm Bases for: Obliterators (http://www.thewarstore.com/product59224.html)
60mm Base for: Tzeentch Dread #2 (http://www.thewarstore.com/product47927.html)
60mm Base for: Contemptor Dread (http://www.thewarstore.com/product47993.html)
60mm Base for: Daemon Prince (http://www.thewarstore.com/product69764.html)
This is more for my own personal reference. Subject to change as always. This is what's needed to finish my army, at this point. I could order them all - the Straight from Hell will be back in stock shortly.
Tossing the idea in my head of making all the bases uniform, or keeping them different. I have a fluff in my head for it all and it could work either way. The appearance of different units on different bases is.. eh. I don't know.
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Bought the bases. They'll get here when they get here due to the ones for the berserkers being "Special order" but I'm in no real rush. The next step after I receive the bases will be to go figure by figure, tear them off the old base, perform a final perfection cleaning and inspection, then put them on their new base. After that, I will be able to prime them all.
My concern with the bases however are the ones that are at angles. I may have to re-pose a few figures. I ordered more than the exact number of bases due to the random nature - I want to have options.
This also means I finally get to build the Contemptor and second Tzeentch dread. I'm very interested in finishing the Contemptor due to the sheer number of pieces and poses of the figure. I may have to craft a staff and make him Sorcerer-looking, but we'll see.
Hmm. Upon checking my links again, the ones for the Raptors and the Obliterators have been marked out of stock now. I hope they were able to fill my order and I was the person to push them into out of stock. :/
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I think they'll look fantastic. Have you started painting your dudes yet?
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No. There's mold lines and shit to get rid of still, so doing any painting before transferring bases and giving it a final once over would be kind of pointless. At least in my process.
The Alien bases for the obliterators were kind of spur of the moment, but they look mechanical without any fleshy bits - antithesis of normal obliterators really. So those bases will make them look chaos-y enough, assembled by chaos perhaps.
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Everything else shipped, except for:
Ordered: 3 Shipped: 2 SMM BRAL0012 Scibor: Aliens 40mm round bases
Ordered: 1 Shipped: 0 MAS B00423 Spooky Bases, Round 60mm(1)
I'm okay with this. It eliminates some options for my Obliterators, but there's a chance I'll like what I get anyway. And the base for my Daemon prince can definitely wait - I've already done a lot of the finalizing work on him as far as mold lines go.
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I am co-opting your thread again Ziiro
LEGO Space Marines Stage 3 - Land Raider (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEx2LQY_1W0#ws)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerac/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerac/)
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(http://i.imgur.com/1FBxr.jpg)
Now if I could just find my glue.
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(http://i.imgur.com/XpMxy.jpg)
Fuck building contemptors without pinning. For serious. Not doing another one.
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(http://i.imgur.com/WhZ7Ph.jpg)
Album (http://imgur.com/a/Gy6Ve)
To-do:
-Chaos decorate the other two rhinos, as well as the Contemptor and Stormblade
-Clean models. Still.
Then on to paint!
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That is a LOTTA spikey bits.
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Played a game last night and had a defiler survive 6 assualt phases locked in combat with two separate Genestealer squads before he finally went down.
At this point I'm working on Chaos-ing up my Stormblade, and I'm having a really hard time working on it. I want to replace the barrels on the Lascannons and bolters but I can't figure out how to cut that flat so I can get the chaos barrel attachments on. And I feel like I want to get a model to stand next to it like the repair chief or something. Maybe one of those Techmarines that come with the Thunderfire cannon (http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics13/img4a5074bc9b260.jpg). Or maybe one of the Iron warriors Warsmith (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1241089_99060102066_Col40kIronWarriorsWarsmithMain_445x319.jpg)?
Current plan:
-Chaos up Stormblade
-Chaos up Contemptor
-Clean models
-devise paint scheme
-prolong painting by buying new models/vehicles
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So hey, idea. I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with Air Brushes/Sprayers?
Basically I want to use this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00397RN3S) on my whole army as a base coat then paint in the other details later. I know I'd need that paint + thinner + sprayer, but I was wondering how far I'd really have to go or if it's common that someone at my LGS could do it?
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New chaos codex is out next month. As well as the 6th edition starter box set: Dark Angels vs Chaos.
I'm not entirely sold on the new models, but they look nice at least
(http://i.imgur.com/WbBxk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dXKeO.jpg)
I think instead of cultists I'm just going to run Imperial Guard units.
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Those cultists would be pretty sweet as villains in some kinda Mad Max or other post-apocalyptic game.
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Oh, absolutely. I just don't like them as chaos cultists. I only like one of them (The style of row 1, #4.) , but most of them.. No thanks.
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I saw in an old issue of White Dwarf that one of their designers had converted a company of Imperial Guard into chaos cultists, complete with nicked-up armour, autoguns and skull helmets. It still baffles me that they can go from "custom army" to "chapter approved" for something like chaos cultists, yet they drag their feet on Sisters of Battle because apparently they can't get the robes and hair to look right. :rolleyes:
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I saw in an old issue of White Dwarf that one of their designers had converted a company of Imperial Guard into chaos cultists, complete with nicked-up armour, autoguns and skull helmets. It still baffles me that they can go from "custom army" to "chapter approved" for something like chaos cultists, yet they drag their feet on Sisters of Battle because apparently they can't get the robes and hair to look right. :rolleyes:
That's because the average GW staffer doesn't actually know what a woman looks like DOHOHOHOHOHOHO!
[/canned laughter]
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(http://i.imgur.com/FGzz3.jpg)
Primered! Still trying to figure out colours.
(http://i.imgur.com/vfoPO.jpg)
FUCK! I'm sure I can shade this to make it less obvious, but I really fucked up the superglue here. Jesus.
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Okay, so it turns out all vehicles don't suck. Valkyries are actually pretty fun to build. Any METAL BOXES suck though. Land Raiders and Rhinos are just awful. All my future transports are going to be air vehicles*
:8D:
[spoiler]*Not really, chaos can't do that.[/spoiler]