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Activity Boards => Forum Games => Topic started by: Caithness on November 18, 2011, 05:32:13 PM
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Are you ready for Episode 2 of Caithness's Experimental Werewolf Game?
The basic setup will be the same as in my first game (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6053.0), with the exception of the Oracle role. In fact, the Oracle is the exception to many rules.
The Oracle is the only player:
*whose role's existence is known by everyone at the beginning of the game.
*who has a Night 0 action.
*who must use his power every night.
*who is immune to being turned.
There will be some tom-foolery involved, of course, but it won't be the same tom-foolery as last time (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6053.280), because nobody would fall for that twice.
Once again, I make no guarantees that this game will be well-balanced or fun to play. But it should at least be interesting. I need nine players this time. Sign up in this thread if you're interested.
Players:
1. Nickasummers
2. NexAdruin
3. fullmooninu
4. Kayma
5. Envy
6. Kazz
7. Lottel
8. GuildensternII
9. Aerdan
The game has ended (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6161.msg227543#msg227543).
Day 1 (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6161.msg226439#msg226439)
Night 1 (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6161.msg227094#msg227094)
Day 2 (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6161.msg227180#msg227180)
Night 2 (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6161.msg227506#msg227506)
Ground rules and clarifications:
1. Paraphrasing your role PM is allowed, but please do not quote it directly.
2. Votes are only counted if the name is stated in bold, and any bolded name counts as a vote.
3. No deleting or editing of posts allowed.
4. If the thread goes over 24 hours with no posts in it, the player who posted least recently will automatically be lynched and the game will move on to the night phase.
5. You can talk in the thread at night if you want to.
6. Out-of-thread communication doesn't need to be restricted to forum PMs, as long as I get a full transcript of the chat.
7. Anonymous accounts are allowed, but not required.
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As long as there are no portals and there is some form of time constraint, I am in.
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Time constraint is the same as the one I implemented partway through last time: If nobody posts in the thread for 24 hours, the person whose most recent post is the oldest is automatically lynched.
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yep.
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!!!
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Aye aye.
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Yessssss
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EVERYONE DIES!
just kidding, *bump*
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If I made anonymous accounts required, would more people be interested in playing?
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I certainly hope not. I mean, I'd probably play an anonymous account game again, but I wouldn't really want to.
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I can see by the lack of responses that they wouldn't. So I won't do it.
I'll leave this game open for another month, but if there aren't enough players by February I'm scrapping it.
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Some of the other games are in postpone mode too, cause of vacations? I would wait a bit more ^_^
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Hmm, maybe you're right.
I was actually a bit ambivalent about having the game start this time, because I wan't sure my gimmick would work at all. But after thinking some more, I got excited about it again.
I'll keep this open at least until Guild finishes Closed Werewolf Iota. (Forever?)
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(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/11/skeleton-waiting3.jpg)
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Maybe edit the first post with big bold letters "still need X more players"
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I stickied this and also I'll sign up for it
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Guess I didn't sign up before?
Sign me up then, doc.
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I'LL YALP!
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Awesome. Now I only need one more player.
I don't think I want to start until after Vampires vs. Werewolves IX ends, though.
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GOOD CALL!
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startuuu!
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Still needs one more player. Also, I'd like to wait until this game (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6313.0) is over.
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Howdy from TT. Sign me up.
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After solving the Sphinx's riddle, you step into Thebes expecting to be crowned king. But there are no adoring crowds filling the streets. Only the other 8 players who also solved the riddle. Too bad that's the only one the Sphinx ever asks, and everyone knows the answer.
With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The first day's lynch will not occur until after everyone has checked in and the Oracle has performed his night 0 action.
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A robed figure, about average height and with unremarkable hair, eye, and face, looks around the group.
"Fancy seeing you here."
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Checking in
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Nicksummers, that checky bastard
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Kayma because I never got to participate in a lynch in VvWIX and revenge votes are fun
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The day you solved the Sphinx's riddle was important to you, but for me it was Tuesday.
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What the Hell's a sphinx? How did I get here? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?!
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Why hello there.
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Hi everybody, my name is Kazz. It's nice to meet all of you and thank you for coming to this pyramid. It is neat here, don't you think?
I'm going to do something rather untraditional for our forum, though it's common practice in other mafia-style games. I'm going to role-claim. Hopefully you won't consider this rude.
I am an Oracle. It's possible, I think, that there may be other Oracles, and it's also possible that there's a role that believes it's the Oracle but gets everything wrong. But for now, I believe myself to be a genuine Oracle, perhaps the only one.
I used my Night 0 scry on GuildensternII (how could I not?) and found him to be something known as the Shaman. The Shaman seems to be able to prevent his night target from killing or turning anybody, so he's sort of a power-blocker. That's not what's important, though. I found that GuildensternII is also a Wolf.
Now, I'd like for us to lynch him, both to verify my claim and to rid the pyramid of a dastardly villain. If he turns out to be something other than what I believe him to be, I wholeheartedly apologize for the error, but I am sure that it means that I am merely a false Oracle and I want you to know that I bear no ill will toward any of you.
I'd like to request a protective role to target me tonight, so that I don't get immediately fucking splattered all over the walls.
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Voting Guild is a smart practice usually anyway and if it gives us an oracle as well, I'm for it.
I'll wait for everyone to check in before I officially vote, though.
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I'm gonna pick on fullmooninu, cos he sounds like he might be a weeaboo and as someone who isn't Japanese but was given a Japanese given name when he was born, I cannot abide weeaboos.
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GuildensternII. Kazz can't be an evil liar every game, right?
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I think everybody has checked in, so I'm going to post to keep the 24-hour rule from activating.
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Not sure if kazz is being honest or an evil genius right now. Because I can definitely see evil genius in the current scenario.
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Well, uh, since Guild isn't around a lot anymore, I wonder if it's even a good idea waiting for him to check in if we're just probably going to vote for him anyway.
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Oh, he hasn't checked in, has he. For some reason I thought he had.
Wanna string him up?
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Might as well; it's his fault he's not been checking in, after all. :p
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fullmooninu hasn't checked in either. Once one of them does, the other will be vulnerable to lynching and to the 24-hour rule. Until then, we'll all just have to wait. :\
Vote Count:
Kayma - 1 (Nickasummers)
GuildensternII - 2 (Kazz, Kayma)
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Oh shoot is my vote still on Kayma? that was silly and if we believe kazz then we are beyond silly votes unvote I will probably hop on this bandwagon but i want to wait for last checkin first.
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SO IS GUILD JUST LIKE BOMBARDING YOU ALL WITH CAPITALIZED PARAGRAPH -LONG SCREEDS VIA PM OR IS THIS LIKE A FOR REAL THING
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checking in.
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Yay. modkill guild.
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didn't fullmooninu check in at the top of page 2? whatever. yeah modkilling Guild is probably a decent idea since he's so flaky.
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#occupywerewolf
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I'mma switch my vote to GuildensternII. Things will maybe move faster that way?
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Not if you don't put it in bold.
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NexAdruin
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hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
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hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
i know exactly what you mean
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...Derp. GuildensternII, then.
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If he isnt going to post, and Kayma might actually be the oracle, then fine. GuildensternII
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I don't think Kayma's the oracle, unless you know something I don't.
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Probably just got confused with K names.
And again, I want to vote for Guild but we should wait for him to say something at least.
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Waiting for Guild to say something could literally take months, and I'd rather get this game going before everyone loses interest.
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Lottel and fullmooninu are the other two wolves.
This game was really easy.
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I propose that Guild can not join any more wolf games until he pays his outstanding fines re: iota and oedipus
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Hey now, Kazz. A few minutes after you said "Let's all kill Guild" I said it sounded good to me. It's not my fault it's taken him a few days to materialize.
I would however like to hear foolmooninu explain the vote for Nex.
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hhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
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Vote count:
GuildensternII - 4 (Kazz, Kayma, Aerdan, Nickasummers)
NexAdruin - 1 (fullmooninu)
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GuildensternII
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You briefly consider letting him have his day in court, but then think better of it. You can guess what it probably would have been like, anyway.
GuildensternII is lynched for the high crime of failing to show up and play the game. He was the Shaman, and he was a wolf.
It is now Night 1. Please send me your night actions as soon as possible.
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Hmm... Well, Kazz may have been correct about GuildensternII, but who's to say he'll be right again? I pulled together some intel I'd been waiting on, and it seems he's neither human nor wolf... What's his game, I wonder? Maybe we shouldn't listen to him again.
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Caithness sent me my scry result, but we haven't moved to Day 2 yet... I honestly don't know if I'm supposed to reveal my result or not, because he specifically said we're allowed to speak during the night. It seems unfair.
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Since Guild was a wolf, and Kazz oracled him as such, that probably means, this being a Caithness game, that Kazz is the double secret wolf.
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I'll hold my comments on that til the start of the day.
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Since Guild was a wolf, and Kazz oracled him as such, that probably means, this being a Caithness game, that Kazz is the double secret wolf.
Well, I can tell you he's not a wolf. Got no proof to show you, but then again his proof was in the pudding as well, so.
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Are Kazz and Aerdan claiming to be seers?
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Looks like it.
:popcorn:
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It is now Day 2. Nobody died in the night.
With 8 alive it still takes 5 votes to lynch.
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K. Whatcha got for us, dudes who know things?
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First things first, I got a result on Lottel. He's the Prophet. He can find out the name of someone's role, but not their power or their allegiance.
And: he's also a wolf. However...
Two things have occurred to me since the last day.
Number one: I don't know my victory condition. I've been assuming that I'm innocent, and that I'll win when the wolves are all dead. But I've never received a message to that effect, and the rules don't state that that's the case. If Aerdan is correct, I'm some kind of third-party role. I have an ulterior motive, of which I am not even aware.
Number two: Both of my scries have been wolves. A small sample, but Lottel was a shot-in-the-dark. If Guild had been around to fight back, we might have realized something that I think I realized today. I can't be sure that this is the case, but:
I think my ability is turning people into wolves.
One reason that I think this is that I'm evidently neither innocent nor wolf, and, per the rules, I can't be turned by either side. This would mean it's not (necessarily) counterproductive for me to pop wolves out every night.
Another reason is that I am required to use my ability every night. This is very uncommon for a seer-type ability, and it hints that my role is central to the mechanics.
If I'm right, then for the innocents to win, I have to be killed. If I'm wrong, though, killing me could be a disaster for them. I honestly don't know.
If I knew my victory condition, I might not have said any of this (probably I shouldn't have!), but since I'm unaware of what I need to be doing, I'm just going to tell everybody the truth of what I believe. Do what you will.
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Could it possibly be that one of the scry is a complete fake or a random chance of telling you right or wrong?
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Could it possibly be that one of the scry is a complete fake or a random chance of telling you right or wrong?
I know it's not 100% inaccurate, cause it worked on Guildenstern. But you're right, I could have a chance of being wrong. I don't know.
Anyway, I've been contacted by someone who's willing to verify my theory. Actually it should also address Envy's concern. Don't lynch me just yet.
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Oh, and, uh. Lottel. Sorry!
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Alright, let's figure out what's going on. Lottel
Also Aerdan it's your turn to tell us whatever you were going to tell us.
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Very sorry to do this too, Lottel
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Sorry, but I gotta do this. I just know Kazz's victory is tied to the wolves'. His death may not complete the game, but I feel it would be an important first step.
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Wait wait wait.
Look, Kazz can scry me again. If Kazz is unwilling to make wolves, wolves can't win. So keep me alive, Kazz scries me, innocents win, and all we lost was Guild. And losing Guild is like it's own victory anyway.
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Vote count:
Lottel - 3 (Kazz, NexAdruin, Envy)
Kazz - 1 (Aerdan)
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Lottel, you've been tainted by my black magicks. You're not to be trusted anymore. I really am sorry. Unless someone comes forward who knows how to turn wolves back into humans, you have to die.
Aerdan, you gotta believe me, there's a way to get out of this without further bloodshed. I am not gonna make more wolves. I have several ideas to prevent it happening again.
Even if my victory condition is tied to the wolves, it doesn't matter, because I don't know my victory condition. In fact, if you hadn't come forward and said that I'm neither human nor wolf, I would have probably kept on happily making and lynching wolves until we lost. It made me stop and think about what's going on.
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In any other game I'd be down with stringing up Kazz, but with Caithness, man, fool me once, etc etc. There's something to this.
Lottel. I think until I see the trick, it's best to lynch wolves.
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Something weird is going on and I'm not voting until we have some semblance of understanding. However, I am going to ask that everyone take a second look at their role pm and see if their victory condition is actually listed. You don't have to say out loud, but if you want to go ahead.
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I'd like to request everybody (who hasn't already) to PM me with their role's name and power... I have kind of stretched your trust out a lot, so, don't feel that you have to. I'll feel a lot worse about a receiving a lie than receiving nothing, so if you don't want to tell me, don't send me anything. I'd like to solve this puzzle just as much as all of you.
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Since posting that message, I have received the following number of claims: zero.
c'est la vie
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Where is that fullmooninu? what is that dude hiding?
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Kayma
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This guy is a maverick.
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Can we just lynch lottel and get this over with
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yes
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I dont see this going anywhere. As much as I hate doing things for the sake of moving the game along, nothing is happening.
Lottel
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The gridlock is resolved, and Lottel is lynched. He was the Prophet, and he was a wolf.
It is now Night 2. Please send me your night actions as soon as possible.
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Game Over. Humans Win.
Kazz was killed in the night.
Condolences to Guild and Lottel.
Kazz, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Oracle. You choose one person to scry each night, and their role, powers, and alignment are all revealed to you. You must use your scry every night. The game will begin after you get the results of your Night 0 scry. The game has probably started already.
What I didn't tell him was that his scry turned the target into a wolf, and that he needed to die in order for his team to win. If he had scried himself he would have found this out.
NexAdruin, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Seer. You choose one person to scry each night, and their alignment (human or wolf) is revealed. You have the option of not using your power.
Aerdan, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Seer. You choose one person to scry each night, and their alignment (human or wolf) is revealed. You have the option of not using your power.
Aerdan was actually the Fool, and would have been told the opposite alignment for anyone he scried, but he only ever scried the Oracle. Since the Oracle can't be turned, he's neither human nor wolf. But since Aerdan was the Fool, I told him the wrong win condition for Kazz.
Lottel, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Prophet. You choose one person to scry each night, and their role is revealed. Just the name, though, not what their powers are, or their alignment (human or wolf). You have the option of not using your power.
He was turned into a wolf by Kazz's scry on night 1.
Nickasummers, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Soothsayer. You choose one person to scry each night, and their powers are revealed. You don't see the name of their role or their alignment (human or wolf), though. You have the option of not using your power.
fullmooninu, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Vigilante. Once in the game, you may choose someone to kill at night. Choose wisely.
He chose very wisely, taking out the Oracle on night 2.
Envy, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Turner. Once in the game, you may choose someone to turn into a wolf. Your target does not find out who the other wolves are. You may use your power on yourself.
This was a buff for the wolves, to counter the fact that the Oracle knew who all of them were. It never came into play, though, because Envy tried to turn Kazz both nights. I'm not sure why he thought that would work, or why he even wanted to do it in the first place.
Kayma, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Baner. Each night you choose one person to protect from being killed and from being turned. You have the option of not using your power. You may use your power on yourself.
The thought had actually not occurred to me that the Oracle and the Baner would team up to prevent the Oracles scries from turning, but that's what Kayma and Kazz planned to do on night 2. It would have been very interesting to see how that played out, I think.
GuildensternII, welcome to Oedipus Wolf. You are the Shaman. Each night you choose one person and prevent them from killing anyone and from turning anyone. You have the option of not using your power.
Guild was turned into a wolf by Kazz's scry on night 0. I'm not sure whether to feel relieved or disappointed that he never showed up for this game.
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Thanks for playing, everyone! It wasn't quite as much of a success as Backwards Wolf was, but I still think it ended up being interesting to watch.
I'm not at all unsatisfied with the way Kazz figured out what was going on, even though it was partially due to my own sloppiness in handing out scry results on the first night. I was kind of disappointed when not even the Fool realized the real rules in my first game, so I made a lot more opportunities for that to happen this time.
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Huh.
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Expecting a few more layers, were you?
Edit: oh yeah, I forgot the message that I sent to Guild and Lottel when they were turned:
The Oracle has scried you, and through the power of self-fulfilling prophecy, he has thereby turned you into a wolf. He doesn't know that his scries do this.
It might be in your interest to find out who the oracle is and kill him, because he knows who all the wolves are. But it might not be, because he's the only one who can add numbers to your team. The Oracle wins with the humans, and they can't win until he is dead.
Now that you're a wolf, you get one kill per night in addition to your existing powers. When the Oracle turns someone else into a wolf, you'll be introduced to each other. If you live that long.
The game was named Oedipus Wolf because the theme was self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Shrug.
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I like the concept. I think there should probably be some sort of fallback plan for if the Oracle is railroaded on day or night one.
Also, I'm glad the fool wasn't some crazy devil thing. In the last game, I strongly disliked the formula "This player was told he was x, but was really y, but appears as z". I might have figured it out if that shit were binary.
Good times, though.
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so was envy a wolf? why would a human want to turn wolves? why isn't the game still going even though envy can make wolves?
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I think no wolves + Kazz death just happened to be the win condition.
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Yeah. I dunno. I didn't actually think that "scry yourself to win" would be the key in Caithness's last game and this one. I mighta done it if I'd survived. But I died! I died AND won! Woo
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Also, Envy didn't read the rules, because it says right there that I can't be turned.
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Envy doing something that doesn't make sense in a wolf game?
Hold on, I don't think my heart can take the shock.
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I was also wondering why you didn't kill Kayma after you scried him as the Baner, Lottel. Although I suppose it wouldn't have helped you with how things ultimately turned out.
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This may have been crazy amounts of fun behind the scenes, but disappointing to see such a good one-off idea with such horribly unlucky roles.
Kazz was the only person (maybe Kayma) that would've caught on to the power so quick and been as fast to reveal it to everyone.
Envy, of course, never seems to know what the fuck is going on.
Man if those two got reversed this could've been hell on wheels.
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I was also wondering why you didn't kill Kayma after you scried him as the Baner, Lottel. Although I suppose it wouldn't have helped you with how things ultimately turned out.
I had three plans going on at once (You and Kazz saw plan three. Plan one failed and Plan two failed when Kazz died). And most of them involved the idea that wolves wouldn't kill and would help keep them (me) under the radar.Since this was a Caithness game, I kind of expected the fact there was no wolf kill to throw people into a tizzy trying to figure out just what was going on, but that was apparently lost on everyone with the whole Kazz revelation thing.
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victoly for inu!