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Discussion Boards => Real Life => Topic started by: clutch on October 06, 2008, 04:12:23 PM
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im a new member here coud u telme wut ur all aboout????
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mostly it's roger posting pictures of transformers with boobs but sometimes it is fighting
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aw man cant beliv i mised that. so i mena i rly lik wut uve don with the place. gud use of negtiv spaec, ect.
also i lik ur emoticons :tears:
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o hai cluch
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Brentai/lecla-fisto-grill-newyear.jpg)
do u want 2 figtin?
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hei clutch i liek ur avatar CATS R AWESUM!!!!!
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lol mecnhi om nom nom nom
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Actually, newbies piss me off. I am going to ban you now!
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I remember Clutch. Apparently it was a 'bad thing' to talk to him rudely when I first joined the boards but I remember not caring
::D:
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Did it just get a little A Sound of Thunder in here
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gtfo noob
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This is the best thread.
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This is the best thread.
...Because I'm back, right?
Now I've gathered the Crash = Brentai, but who else is still around under a different name?
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Thad is Doom, and Detonater is Thad, and Doom is Detonater.
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Lyrai is eloH.
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Norondor is eloH.
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(we're both eloH)
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(Neither of us are eloH)
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Everybody's replying so fast! I'm running out of people to accuse of eloHism.
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I'M SPARTACUS
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(http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/XsFilms/SnelPlaatjes/ActDouglasSpartacus.jpg)
I'm eloH!
EDIT: Darn you, Norondor!
... actually, that works.
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Kazz made me stop being eloH.
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Rock is [spoiler]Arc[/spoiler]
...I think...
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Crash is Brentai
Rock is Arc
Flashman is, I think, sei
Airman is eloH after being exposed to the moon stone.
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Air is just a legitimate stupid. You'd like him, Clutch.
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Air/Soracross woulda been gone months ago if clutch were adminning here.
Yeah, we've lowered our standards.
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But he's like the only newbie we've HAD in like TWO YEARS. Clearly if we're going to stay up to Clutch's numbers, we HAVE to ban him a couple of times a month.
PS: Clutch, am I remembering correctly that your birthday was around this time of year? If so, happy birthday!
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PS: Clutch, am I remembering correctly that your birthday was around this time of year? If so, happy birthday!
I'm impressed, Thad; it's a week away.
As for the banning, I'm a different person now. Slowness to anger, forgiveness: these are traits I've cultivated since I was last on these boards. And that's why I think I should be given ABSOLUTE POWER TO GIVE LIFE AND TO TAKE IT AWAY, TO ELIMINATE FROM SOCIETY ALL THAT WOULD DO IT HARM.
You know, like old times.
VOTE CLUTCH FOR CHANGE!
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::D: 't ain't a pig no more!
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can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
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great now i have to be a socialist or some shit
wait i think sharkey's got that covered
i think that leaves the green party (pun intended) hi clutch you wanker
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can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
Just about all of those would be changed to read "meh," or something like that; this election has me feeling pretty jaded. Is it possible not to care about ANY of the candidates, third-party guys included? I'm going to vote for Bob Barr, but god dammit if I can't accept as a Libertarian a man who for twenty-plus years worked to build the War on Drugs into the rights-seizing juggernaut it is today. And now he's going to smack his forehead and act like he made a simple mistake? Bullshit.
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the conversation. Back to talking about me.
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Is it possible not to care about ANY of the candidates, third-party guys included?
I wasn't keeping careful tabs on political opinions at the time, but wasn't that '04? Or would you say that the majority of the board members here cared an awful lot about Bush being out of office?
Also, jaded, not caring, etc? That sounds like something about you!
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Just about all of those would be changed to read "meh," or something like that; this election has me feeling pretty jaded. Is it possible not to care about ANY of the candidates, third-party guys included?
I can see why someone wouldn't dig Obama, but I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't be filled with furious indignation at the idea that Sarah Palin should ever be in charge of anything bigger than a shopping cart.
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A shopping cart full of babies, each named after a food brand.
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I can see why someone wouldn't dig Obama
I can't. Do some thread splitting. Clue me in.
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I can see why someone wouldn't dig Obama, but I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't be filled with furious indignation at the idea that Sarah Palin should ever be in charge of anything bigger than a shopping cart.
There is no matter of any substance on which I agree with Sarah Palin, and the idea that she might finagle a term as the fucking president really does tweak my nipples. However, it's presidential candidates I'm talking about, and not a one of them has me fired up. I had Ron Paul for awhile to keep my outlook cheery, but all he can do now is go on CNN and go "nya-nya" over the bailout bill and tell us why we should be back on the gold standard.
As for Obama, as much as I'd love to love him, I'm very much underwhelmed by the hype. I'm in my mid-twenties, yet I seem to be the only one to recall that nearly every election in our country's history that followed the office of a termed-out president featured at least one reform candidate promising change, change, change. Obama has done nothing to indicate that he's anything more than just a politician like the rest, and his choice of Biden as a running mate indicated to me that that's exactly what he is ("Yes, we kids will change the world! ...but we'd better have Mom and Dad looking over our shoulders so we don't mess anything up too bad.") At this point in the campaign, though, I feel positive that he'll win, so I'm hopeful that I'm proven wrong about him.
EDIT: I should mention that it really doesn't matter who I vote for, being that I'm a Californian.
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Ron Paul was "Eh" for me.
Then all the college yuppie fucks wouldn't shut the god damn hell up about him.
THEN I learned he wanted to dismantle several government things that saved my life growing up.
It was at this point that I took great pleasure in making life miserable for said college yuppie fucks.
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I am so totally *not* a yuppie.
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I can see why someone wouldn't dig Obama
I can't. Do some thread splitting. Clue me in.
I love Obama so much that even if he were a kiddie pool full of snapping turtles, I would roll naked in him.
However, frankly, he also shares my views on a lot of stuff. Some people don't think like me.
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Kazz, I know you're lying, because you just claimed you thought correctly (i.e. like me) about a large number of things.
Just like Thad is always to blame, you must always be wrong.
A-Are you trying to create enough internal contradiction so tha- :scanners:
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PS: Clutch, am I remembering correctly that your birthday was around this time of year? If so, happy birthday!
I'm impressed, Thad; it's a week away.
Eh, don't be THAT impressed; mine was last week and I just remembered that they were close together.
can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
Clutch, whaddaya say?
I'm going to vote for Bob Barr, but god dammit if I can't accept as a Libertarian a man who for twenty-plus years worked to build the War on Drugs into the rights-seizing juggernaut it is today. And now he's going to smack his forehead and act like he made a simple mistake? Bullshit.
No shit.
Although I AM curious to hear a Libertarian perspective on the financial meltdown, given that most people seem to agree that deregulation and lack of oversight got us here. Except the ones who say it's the black people's fault, which brings us back to can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
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Although I AM curious to hear a Libertarian perspective on the financial meltdown, given that most people seem to agree that deregulation and lack of oversight got us here. Except the ones who say it's the black people's fault, which brings us back to can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
It's FDR's fault for creating a mortgage market.
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Eh, don't be THAT impressed; mine was last week and I just remembered that they were close together.
I'm still impressed. I can't keep track of what I've ordered from Amazon, and you're remembering the birthdays of faraway internet peoples. Also, happy birthday!
can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
Clutch, whaddaya say?
I guess I'll start writing.
I'm going to vote for Bob Barr, but god dammit if I can't accept as a Libertarian a man who for twenty-plus years worked to build the War on Drugs into the rights-seizing juggernaut it is today. And now he's going to smack his forehead and act like he made a simple mistake? Bullshit.
No shit.
Although I AM curious to hear a Libertarian perspective on the financial meltdown, given that most people seem to agree that deregulation and lack of oversight got us here. Except the ones who say it's the black people's fault, which brings us back to can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
It certainly was a lack of oversight that caused this, but it's really not as simple as that. The problem with our government is that it half-asses everything*. If the government puts into effect socialist-style policies like the ones that encouraged (forced?) lenders to extend mortgages to "low-income" families, it's then the government's responsibility to watch over the process and ensure that the loans are extended and handled responsibly. Either the country's socialist or it's not, and now after the bailouts (including those going all the way back to Amtrak and the airlines) it's pretty obvious that we are.
*See also the issue of illegal immigration: either you let everyone in and take away entitlements from everyone--citizens included--or you tighten the borders to keep everyone out. You can't have both.
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I'm in my mid-twenties, yet I seem to be the only one to recall that nearly every election in our country's history that followed the office of a termed-out president featured at least one reform candidate promising change, change, change
In all fairness no termed-out president has ever fucked things up as spectacularly as G.W. It is truly an amazing record of failure.
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can we go back and retroactively replace every one of Guild's Real World posts with a post by Clutch
Clutch, whaddaya say?
I guess I'll start writing.
I wouldn't wish that on the worst of the worst.
Edit: On second thought, this might elevate the content of the responses to hilarity.
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So Random-Guy is some jerk named Cannon who's been browsing more than he's been posting lately.
Nice to see you around, Clutch. Please stay.
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Clutch: Good answer. I could debate the semantics (I absolutely believe there are degrees of socialism and it's not an either-or prospect), but I find the content satisfactory even if I don't agree with it. (I think oversight is necessary even in the absence of social programs, and that those in power are always vulnerable to corruption. It wasn't social programs that set off the market crash in '29.)
Guild: Look at Clutch's post. That is what a good post looks like. Now look at yours. That is what a bad post looks like. And yet, the two of you are endorsing exactly the same point. Are you going to try and tell me I'm persecuting you for disagreeing with me again?
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yes because it's funny only to me
no
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It's FDR's fault for creating a mortgage market.
Oh, so now you've got something against the disabled?
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I think oversight is necessary even in the absence of social programs, and that those in power are always vulnerable to corruption. It wasn't social programs that set off the market crash in '29.
Though the two events are lumped together so often as to be indistiguishable, I don't believe the 1929 Crash caused the Depression. Shortly after the Crash, Congress passed several reactionary bills, the most notable being the Smoot-Hawley Act, which sharply increased tariffs on imports and led to a series of similar bills being passed by other countries. This all had the effect of squelching overseas trade and the doubling of the US unemployment rate within a year.
Another primary cause was intentional inflation that the US government pushed by printing more and more money in the years after WWI. The reasons for this were many--mainly they wanted to restore solvency to Britain--but it had the effect of producing an unrealistic and unsustainable boom in the US.
Forgive me if I'm being overly pedantic here, Thad, but I just reread America's Great Depression (http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf), a book written in the 60s which talks about exactly what we're going through now: the low ebb of a "credit cycle" caused by the Federal Reserve (a government-controlled bank) setting the interest rate too low for too long, discouraging savings and spurring speculation in risky markets (stock exchanges and mortgage-backed securities, for example). As much as I would like to feel that those irresponsible investors back in '29 were getting their comeuppance--it's a very strong and important market factor in a laissez faire economy--I truly feel that the blame lies in government intervention in the financial sector.
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Though the two events are lumped together so often as to be indistiguishable, I don't believe the 1929 Crash caused the Depression.
It certainly wasn't the SOLE cause, but I don't think it can be dismissed as A cause. Similarly, the New Deal was less important in stabilizing the economy than WWII, but it's generally accepted that it helped.
At any rate, whether or not the market crash caused the Depression, I think we can agree it was very bad financial news.
Shortly after the Crash, Congress passed several reactionary bills, the most notable being the Smoot-Hawley Act, which sharply increased tariffs on imports and led to a series of similar bills being passed by other countries. This all had the effect of squelching overseas trade and the doubling of the US unemployment rate within a year.
The dilemmas of global trade are enough to warrant an entirely different thread (or several -- we've already got China is Fucking Scary) -- as you say, raising barriers to imports can hurt American jobs, but obviously lowering them can too.
Another primary cause was intentional inflation that the US government pushed by printing more and more money in the years after WWI. The reasons for this were many--mainly they wanted to restore solvency to Britain--but it had the effect of producing an unrealistic and unsustainable boom in the US.
We've had more than one bubble in the past decade, between dotcoms and housing.
Forgive me if I'm being overly pedantic here, Thad, but I just reread America's Great Depression (http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf), a book written in the 60s which talks about exactly what we're going through now: the low ebb of a "credit cycle" caused by the Federal Reserve (a government-controlled bank) setting the interest rate too low for too long, discouraging savings and spurring speculation in risky markets (stock exchanges and mortgage-backed securities, for example). As much as I would like to feel that those irresponsible investors back in '29 were getting their comeuppance--it's a very strong and important market factor in a laissez faire economy--I truly feel that the blame lies in government intervention in the financial sector.
Not mutex. Government meddling and irresponsible business practices can and do exist side-by-side.
The problem with the notion of "investor comeuppance" is that when the investors go down, they take everyone else with them. If this happened in a vacuum and only the guilty were punished, hey, great, but that's not the way it ends up working out.
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I'm more than a little tipsy and I don't know what mutex means. I'll read this again tomorrow.
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Mutually exclusive.
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Ain't that CS jargon?
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Yeahuh. Sorry.
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Don't apologize. Mutex Hi5!
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Don't apologize. Mutex Hi5!
:fukit: :fukit:
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Clutch so amazing sometimes Clutch no can stand Clutch.
I still have a Christmas card from Clutch from 2003 where he mailed me a dollar.
True story.
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Clutch so amazing sometimes Clutch no can stand Clutch.
I still have a Christmas card from Clutch from 2003 where he mailed me a dollar.
True story.
I really am a sweetheart. Also, I think you misquoted me.
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SHOE'S BACK TOO
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IT'S A HALLOWEEN MIRACLE! ::D:
Admittedly early, but welcome!
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I figured it would be better to dig this old thread up rather than make a new one every time I reappear. So, I guess I'm a shark-torpedo now?
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I thought you were some kind of brewmaster-of-ceremonies.
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HI CLUTCH!!
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sup thou dog
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Hi Clutch! How ya been, you old dog?
I anticipate Mongrel will be asking about his Christmas card.
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I had actually forgotten... until you mentioned it. :slow:
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Wait, did one of my throwaway jokes bring Clutch back? I'm gonna go show my comics to some sick orphans and see what happens.
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Hi Clutch.
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Wait, did one of my throwaway jokes bring Clutch back?
I was mostly shocked someone even remembered me. I got a bit misty-eyed.
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We never forget Clutch!
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Heck, by our standards you're basically a Great Old One.
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A man of the old times, when people posted in sepia.