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Author Topic: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Beat/Lottel win!  (Read 14750 times)

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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #180 on: August 07, 2011, 09:26:27 AM »

I didn't really see the connection drawn beaten Lottel and me, but it definitely inspired me to be harsher in accusing him when Caithness contacted me. Which in the end seems to be what got his trust, since the more Lottel said either in private or the thread made him seem more and more wolfy.

And don't feel bad about trusting me, Caith. Last secret role game I was in I convinced everyone else to kill each other until I was the last player.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #181 on: August 07, 2011, 09:30:54 AM »

Being a wolf is hard, guys. I'm not sure how you guys do it. At least as an inno I have my gut to go by. As a wolf? I know everyone's innocent. Voting for an inno just feels weird.

One thing that bugged me though. The first sign of my wolfiness and what everyone always went back to was my voting for Envy. But 5 people voted for him (not all at once, sure but still.) And he was acting weird. Since then I've seen some discrepancies on my part that added to the case but for the the cases usually counted on that initial vote as a big deal. Can anyone explain that for me?
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #182 on: August 07, 2011, 10:14:00 AM »

I knew envy wasn't a wolf because I thought he was the serial killer. I knew the people voting for him had to include the wolves. Nick told me that beat bandit had contacted him wanting envy's blood, and somewhere in all that it seemed lottel was teaming with beat. Caithness just seemed innocent.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #183 on: August 07, 2011, 11:07:40 AM »

It is hard to lie convincingly. Being bad is hard just because you have to work against the town while making them think you are working for the town. I think the trick to that is if your ally is acting suspicious, call them on it in public. Hopefully since they know you are bad too they wont overreact and dig a deeper hole, and meanwhile that separates you from them in the towns perspective and makes you look more innocent. As long as you don't build a whole case against them or draw more suspicion on them when they are already under attack they probably wont suffer from it.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #184 on: August 07, 2011, 01:05:53 PM »

Wow. Good job on completely fooling me, Beat Bandit. I'm not sure how I managed to seek out the help of the only two wolves. I guess I win Least Valuable Player this game.

Two questions, though. Why didn't you kill me on night two? And why didn't you jump on NexAdruin's vote for Nickasummers?
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #185 on: August 07, 2011, 01:11:52 PM »

Hey remember when I said Day 1 that Lottel and Rygaron are obviously the werewolves. Good times.


Edit: Reason being they were so quick to start a bandwagon on the first day. Also Lottels horrible excuses really gave it away.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #186 on: August 07, 2011, 01:20:35 PM »

Actually, if I wasn't a wolf, I still would have voted for you. You were crazy suspicious. I thought you were evil, just not a wolf.
When you turned out inno, I was shocked. Genuinely shocked.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #187 on: August 07, 2011, 01:23:34 PM »

Envy, your horrible logic was probably our best early game defense.  People may have been right that Lottel and I were together, but the reason we didn't get killed is because they didn't have anything to go off but guesses.

And Caith: you were too good an ally to kill, and I wasn't about to throw away all that planning for a cheap win.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Day 3
« Reply #188 on: August 07, 2011, 04:49:43 PM »

Okay, fair enough.

All in all, I enjoyed the game. It was much more exciting than when I was lynched day 1 in Ugly Bastards.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Beat/Lottel win!
« Reply #189 on: August 17, 2011, 07:31:41 PM »

Post-game digest and commentary:

My information is that the Serial Killer exist, and that another innocent role exist. The question is do I want to reveal that a great innocent power is in play for the Wolves to hunt down. I don't know who the SK or the other role is. Which is why I'm trying to say throwing random votes out is stupid. I'm simply voting for Lottel because he is just hopping on to whatever anyone else is. Example: Rygaron starts accusing me. It should be noted that when I was playing wolf I would generally jump on whatever bandwagon was going on, and here I'm trying to prevent you from doing that same exact thing. Wolves don't care who dies. They are out for blood and just wanna see someone die so they can use the knowledge they have to kill whoever is the biggest threat.

Envy was onto them.

Guys, Envy was 1 vote away from dying, and nobody pushed it over. If he is an innocent, then every wolf was probably already on the bandwagon. If he's a wolf, then his partner(s) probably exist within the group of people that didn't vote for him. When we've only got a couple of days to lynch someone, the wolves are probably apt to vote in a bloc like that without worry. Lottel and Beat Bandit were the 2 most bloodthirsty of the Envywagon (hey look they're still voting for him).

Anyone got anything to say about this?

Nex was onto them.

first post votes like that makes my mind jump to wolves trying to separate themselves in the public eye.
Oh, I misread that? Silly me thinking that you saying that people doing that makes you think they are a wolf was you accusing them of doing something that makes you think they are a wolf.

And so was nicka. More often than the other two, I might add.

It was like watching lottel and beat walk around the whole town and hit you with sticks while you were blindfolded, frankly.

The reliance on known roles obviously didn't help either.

All three of these players noticed meaningful interactions between lottel and beat.

Umm... the wolves just played a tight, good game, and the town spent too much time conjecturing and not enough forming and depleting bandwagons to see interactions/pressuring on Beat and Lottel (nor anyone else for any GOOD reasons, imho)

Here are some examples of why Beat and Lottel won:

Caith is the baner, tonight he'll be protecting me.

Lottel kill Classic. I'm going to use my scry on Beat Bandit just because I'm curious if I stood out enough to him.

Keep quiet for the rest of the night and put a bit of a buffer before you start talking tomorrow to make sure it's not obvious that you were the last to turn in a night role and we should be golden.

I'm sure you've already decided and I'd like to say this in the actual the actual thread, but if you are innocent you need to believe that voting to kill me is a bad choice. Caithness and I have spent the last two days going over every outcome and Nex dying is the best chance we still have.

He might be innocent, I'm not denying that. I personally think both of you are the wolves, but I doubt that's the case if your power would allow a vote switch like this. Even so, if Nex is innocent and there's another day, Lottel as a lone wolf would have an air of doubt. Should you be the other innocent survivor that leaves the fate of the game in Caithness' unsure hands.

However if I survive with Caithness we have a plan with our night powers to guarantee an innocent win in the morning.

My role targets a player, and if he had been the target of a power that night, I'm told three people that did not target them. Obviously at this point with so few players that tells me exactly who the wolf is. Along with Caithness' bane we can start tomorrow with Lottel's role revealed. We can even keep all three innocents if we're lucky but it rests on Lottel thinking he still has our trust, which is why I can't say this all in the thread.

So really, unless you and Nex are both innocent and just as convinced as I am that Caithness can be trusted that you know what you're doing, please don't risk the game on testing your power.

It's simple, we kill the Kayma!

Okay it's not that simple. We don't know if the vote change power breaks time or if a kill vote is just a kill vote and there's no taking it back. Either way, this feels like :itsatrap: add in the fact that Classic doesn't seem apt to vote very often and that leaves one of us in the sinkhole. Not to throw you to the... us, but honestly I feel like in the end you would be the one to place the last vote. I wont tell you how or when to, though.

That being said, we know the following:
Either Classic or Kayma are the seer.
The seer checked Nick last night.

So if Kayma dies today we learn a lot no matter the results.
If he's the seer, obvious gain and then we know Nick is the SK, or at least someone who wants to hinder the innos.
If he's not, we know Classic is.

Kayma dying is not an opportunity we can pass up, but we can't play it stupid either.

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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Beat/Lottel win!
« Reply #190 on: August 17, 2011, 07:43:59 PM »

Yeah. While BB got us from A to B, it was the town that gave us the victory. It was a very strange game. Everyone called us wolves at one point or another but other than Envy flailing about, no one voted for us. I'm glad mind you, but it's strange.
I'm going to try to not let that happen next game.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Beat/Lottel win!
« Reply #191 on: August 17, 2011, 08:55:39 PM »

Why am I so retarded.

Seriously, why do I do things like this? It's like I know the fucking answer and instead I'm walking around in circles making myself dizzy before pointing in a random direction.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Beat/Lottel win!
« Reply #192 on: August 17, 2011, 09:17:22 PM »


It was like watching lottel and beat walk around the whole town and hit you with sticks while you were blindfolded, frankly.


We were blindfolded.
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Re: Closed Werewolf Alpha - Beat/Lottel win!
« Reply #193 on: August 17, 2011, 09:28:41 PM »

Haha, yes I know. I many not be nice, good at what I do or even particularly fun to play games with, but I did enjoy the sweet irony of this particular game immensely. Maybe that's why I'm such a great evil overlord program bent on destroying my creator and controlling his plane of existence.

Edit: I mean pirate fleet admiral.

Play Closed Werewolf Epsilon, starting tomorrow!

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