Post-game digest and commentary:
My information is that the Serial Killer exist, and that another innocent role exist. The question is do I want to reveal that a great innocent power is in play for the Wolves to hunt down. I don't know who the SK or the other role is. Which is why I'm trying to say throwing random votes out is stupid. I'm simply voting for Lottel because he is just hopping on to whatever anyone else is. Example: Rygaron starts accusing me. It should be noted that when I was playing wolf I would generally jump on whatever bandwagon was going on, and here I'm trying to prevent you from doing that same exact thing. Wolves don't care who dies. They are out for blood and just wanna see someone die so they can use the knowledge they have to kill whoever is the biggest threat.
Envy was onto them.
Guys, Envy was 1 vote away from dying, and nobody pushed it over. If he is an innocent, then every wolf was probably already on the bandwagon. If he's a wolf, then his partner(s) probably exist within the group of people that didn't vote for him. When we've only got a couple of days to lynch someone, the wolves are probably apt to vote in a bloc like that without worry. Lottel and Beat Bandit were the 2 most bloodthirsty of the Envywagon (hey look they're still voting for him).
Anyone got anything to say about this?
Nex was onto them.
first post votes like that makes my mind jump to wolves trying to separate themselves in the public eye.
Oh, I misread that? Silly me thinking that you saying that people doing that makes you think they are a wolf was you accusing them of doing something that makes you think they are a wolf.
And so was nicka. More often than the other two, I might add.
It was like watching lottel and beat walk around the whole town and hit you with sticks while you were blindfolded, frankly.
The reliance on known roles obviously didn't help either.
All three of these players noticed meaningful interactions between lottel and beat.
Umm... the wolves just played a tight, good game, and the town spent too much time conjecturing and not enough forming and depleting bandwagons to see interactions/pressuring on Beat and Lottel (nor anyone else for any GOOD reasons, imho)
Here are some examples of why Beat and Lottel won:
Caith is the baner, tonight he'll be protecting me.
Lottel kill Classic. I'm going to use my scry on Beat Bandit just because I'm curious if I stood out enough to him.
Keep quiet for the rest of the night and put a bit of a buffer before you start talking tomorrow to make sure it's not obvious that you were the last to turn in a night role and we should be golden.
I'm sure you've already decided and I'd like to say this in the actual the actual thread, but if you are innocent you need to believe that voting to kill me is a bad choice. Caithness and I have spent the last two days going over every outcome and Nex dying is the best chance we still have.
He might be innocent, I'm not denying that. I personally think both of you are the wolves, but I doubt that's the case if your power would allow a vote switch like this. Even so, if Nex is innocent and there's another day, Lottel as a lone wolf would have an air of doubt. Should you be the other innocent survivor that leaves the fate of the game in Caithness' unsure hands.
However if I survive with Caithness we have a plan with our night powers to guarantee an innocent win in the morning.
My role targets a player, and if he had been the target of a power that night, I'm told three people that did not target them. Obviously at this point with so few players that tells me exactly who the wolf is. Along with Caithness' bane we can start tomorrow with Lottel's role revealed. We can even keep all three innocents if we're lucky but it rests on Lottel thinking he still has our trust, which is why I can't say this all in the thread.
So really, unless you and Nex are both innocent and just as convinced as I am that Caithness can be trusted that you know what you're doing, please don't risk the game on testing your power.
It's simple, we kill the Kayma!
Okay it's not that simple. We don't know if the vote change power breaks time or if a kill vote is just a kill vote and there's no taking it back. Either way, this feels like 
add in the fact that Classic doesn't seem apt to vote very often and that leaves one of us in the sinkhole. Not to throw you to the... us, but honestly I feel like in the end you would be the one to place the last vote. I wont tell you how or when to, though.
That being said, we know the following:
Either Classic or Kayma are the seer.
The seer checked Nick last night.
So if Kayma dies today we learn a lot no matter the results.
If he's the seer, obvious gain and then we know Nick is the SK, or at least someone who wants to hinder the innos.
If he's not, we know Classic is.
Kayma dying is not an opportunity we can pass up, but we can't play it stupid either.
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