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Author Topic: All watched over by machines of loving grace  (Read 1245 times)

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fullmooninu

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All watched over by machines of loving grace
« on: October 16, 2011, 02:05:00 PM »

All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace

A really good fresh documentary.
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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 02:34:51 PM »

Bottom line it for me mang
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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 02:40:17 PM »

Bottom line it for me mang

Terminator 2: Judgement Day

Didn't watch. Cheated. Read comments on reddit about it:

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I found this documentary to be really bad.
He conflates the notions of stability, equilibrium and stationary states throughout the documentary, misrepresenting the views of systems theorists. His criticism of the predator-prey models is totally invalid, they are well-known to display fluctuations, and are in fact paradigmatic for chaos (i don't know anything about these flimsy studies of his narrative though).
I used to like his work on psychology, but find his treatment of technology and science to be very superficial and politically dodgy given that we need to focus on the constructive use of science and tech to inform public policy more than ever.
This parody is fitting to my new feelings towards Adam Curtis:
The Loving Trap
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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 11:17:18 AM »

the thing is, his documentaries complement each other. They show you different faces of recent history and are parts in a portrait of a whole.

in this particular documentary, as a scientist, i enjoyed immensely the story of system theory, as i myself have used such electronic models to represent complex chemical reactions, and predict their behavior.


this ad hominis criticism, is just something made by those unable to cope with sustenance of disbelief for 4 hours, until a story comes full circle and closes itself in a nice package, which is Curtis's style.



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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 12:10:08 PM »

The level of pretentiousness coming from the previous post has now made me hate you forever.

sorry.

[spoiler]not really sorry, get fucked[/spoiler]
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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2011, 03:37:47 PM »

as a scientist, i
where I stopped reading.
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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 04:47:32 PM »

so i cant have a degree? funny.

i was referring specifically to my experience in simulating a solid-fluid corrosion interface with an electrical circuit, so you can actually study the thing, which is another application of the technique that they present in the documentary.

But fuck me, right? computers! anime! games! non-dawkin memetics!

anyway, irrelevant to the discussion. Im not going to defend something that's there to be seen. Enjoy it if you want to. That was the idea in teh first place.
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Re: All watched over by machines of loving grace
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 05:32:57 PM »

Apropos of nothing, Roast Beef recently went on a rant about heaps of experimenters and modelers who don't understand what information a more complex model tries to preserve and ignore those subtleties to get an easier algorithm. Clobbering the useful data with either bad coding or a straight up bad simplification.

He's gone on enough that I've started glazing over the details.

Maybe I'm a bad friend.
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