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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2010, 09:11:32 PM »

you're never forced to take anyone. i think he's useful because eventually he can hit fire, pierce, slash and bludgeon type damage. ymmv.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2010, 10:23:25 PM »

I've rotated everyone throughout the game enough that they've all maintained the same level more or less, excepting MC of course.  Just about everyone's been useful at one point or another.

I'm kind of worried about what P3 Portable will do to the game's difficulty.  I mean, love it or hate it, the game was designed with the ai controlled party in mind.  Giving complete control to the player might really screw with the game's balance.  Of course, the only reason it might do that is because you don't have to worry about Mitsuru spamming Marin Karin any more.  I'm pretty okay with the ai-controlled party since it tends to do things right more often then wrong, but man sometimes my palberts make some boneheaded maneuvers.

(I would digress that that's possibly part of the point, completely intentional, and gives the game a certain immersion factor that it might not otherwise have, but... well, does anyone want to go down that road?)  :>_>:
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2010, 10:26:23 PM »

It'll make the game better overall. There's no charm to your friends being idiots, watching your MC die in a trip, or to blowing all your turns as MC being Sensible Bitch(items, healing, etc.) You can tell them to do stuff, sure, but a lot of them can't do basic math or think baby heals are OK when big heals are needed. Etc, Etc.

I'm using Koro, Yukari and Akihiko because they have the most basic, fool-proof move-sets. It also gives me a ridiculously good elemental spread (Fire, Wind, Lightning and I have two obnoxiously good Ice Personas, among others.)

This also works out wonderfully because Akihiko is my bro and I want to romance Yukari and Koro is the best character. But Junpei likes to miss. A lot. And Mitsuru is knocked out of the lead entirely for Marin Kari.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2010, 10:28:55 PM »

Yeah, I'm waiting for P3P, mostly for the retarded OKAY DON'T MIND ME GONNA TRY CHARMING THE ENEMY npcs.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2010, 10:29:41 PM »

There's really only one fight in the whole game that's unbeatable without something resembling a particular setup.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2010, 10:31:26 PM »

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There's really only one fight in the whole game that's unbeatable without something resembling a particular setup.

Is it the trio of Tatarus Magi who spam full-party ice spells? Toggles from unbeatable to unloseable as soon as I grab enough garbage personas off shadows to fuse King Frost.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2010, 10:38:05 PM »

But people in real life make mistakes, ect., and the game's design accurately reflects tha-
...or to blowing all your turns as MC being Sensible Bitch(items, healing, etc.)
Hm, now that you mention it, this is pretty much what I've had to do in the endgame.  Honestly, if my party could figure out what strength of heal I really need, then everything would be so much nicer.  I dunno, I'm still pretty ok with it, but I tend to roll with whatever a game throws at me.  No, what really irks me about P3P is not the changes to the formula, but rather it would mean starting over on a new platform and having to grind my Academics again.  I had finally unlocked the Empress S-Link a week or two before the endgame, and now I can't follow up on it.

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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2010, 05:47:25 PM »

I've totally got my perfect party down to the AI Quirks that are least destructive. Sometimes Koromaru spams useless Mudo spells, but sometimes they hit a neutral Minotaur Square'd who had 1000 health to chew through. Good boy!

Sometimes I gotta toggle Yukari to actually heal, or Akihiko to do something other than wait if a target is immune to his damage. They're still ridiculously effective. Turns out Akihiko naturally learns every debuff spell in the game(Defense, Attack, Evasion/Hit.)

Speaking of which, I've blitzed up to the end of Block 5.

[spoiler]10/4 NEVER FORGET ;_;[/SPOILER]

The bosses of Block Five were kinda hilarious. Trio of really tough things I have to power-level and use Lightning-Immune Personas for.

Trio of less tough things that die in six uses of Thunder Call(FUCK YEAH THOR!)

Status Effect Boss barely worth the effort I spent typing this sentence.

Phantom King.. he spams Hama and the occasional party-wide Megido. I thought I'd fucked up and needed to die to juggle my party and Personas, so with the Main Character and Koromaru up, I turned on RUSH! with a Light-Null Persona up. They get two crits, I use two all-outs and a single Bead Chain and they duo the fucker from 75% health. Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Reckoning Dice was just completely out-classed by my super pro strat I've been using for 30 levels of wearing +30% HP rings on every character. Megidoloan! Mediarama! Repeat x10.

So now I've set a new record of being 39 days ahead of Deadlines, though the next Moon is in 17.

Level 59. Got a ton of VIP Personas like Chernobog, Surt, Thor, Odin and Alice. My favorite is Throne. Hamamoan(AoE Light Instant-Kill, High odds) and Hama Boost. My grinding for the first boss of Block Five consisted of casting Hamamoan and collecting my card, or killing the one guy that survived. Pretty boss!
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #108 on: February 20, 2010, 02:21:03 PM »

[spoiler]Hey! The Bad Ending could have used an animated cut-scene of the Apocalypse. Otherwise the chats during it are pretty chilling.[/spoiler]

I guess I'm at the last month and the last block!
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2010, 04:48:51 PM »

Guess who just beat an hour-long boss fight!

Guess I'll hit up "The Answer" sometime later.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2010, 11:00:10 PM »

Nicely done.  I'm sure in the next year I'll finally gather up the patience for the final month.

(How many hours overall would you say you put in the final month?  Part of the reason I haven't done it is because I envision insane amounts of grinding and putting another 10-20 hours towards it.)
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2010, 08:56:09 AM »

Probably 7-10ish. There's a lot of story-time and even though I had almost no S-Links to pursue, I went to the Arcade 1-2 times every day to pump up my default every-situation Persona(Titania for life yo.) You also have a five boss Block 6 to cleave through. My last few hours were spend 1 hour losing to last boss, spend 2 hours gaining 5 levels, spend 1 hour winning game. Everything else was pretty matter-of-fact and leveling as I went.

The grinding isn't insane unless you've somehow squeezed through Tartarus.

In example: The 12th Shadow in October is Level 56. The Last Boss in January is Level 76. I always go to the limit of Tartarus the instant another block is open. I got to the top of Block 5 about 40 days in advance. I got to the top of Block 6(ready to beat the game) with 17 days to spare.

I got my ass kicked in the very last phase of the last boss at level 71.

I spent 2 hours getting to level 76 and thoroughly kicked the fucker's ass, although I also made sure to stack my HP to prevent the chance of accidental wipe. I died the first time at 71 due to a Critical + an AoE attack follow up.

So I used a crafted Balmung (+100 HP) and a +30% HP Ring(you can buy 'em at the mall halfway through the year, I've used them on every character since.)

Grinding is actually pretty painless in Persona 3 if you get good at it. Always get First or Neutral Strike, have a Persona with group elemental attacks. My most-used Persona was Titania, a level 45ish Queen of the Fairies. She learned Magarula and Mabufula and fused with Mazio. My last two levels were just dumping Mazio + All Out Attack on quartets of Lightning-Weak Final Dice. Obviously you want to win wands at the shuffle. I also compulsively save between levels, before and after every block boss, etc.

The last boss is cool but kinda boring due to the constraints of partner AI. At level 75, Yukari learns a party FULL HEAL, but even if set to Heal/Support, she favors using single target Full Heal to patch you up. So I spent most of the fight with Titania and her Mediarama shooting out 370 HP to my entire party every round. If every single party member got knocked to 40% health, Yukari's AI might wake up and cast the party full heal and give me a blessed chance to attack.

[spoiler]In the last phase of the last boss, I was using Koro, Akihiko and Yukari set to "Act Freely." This caused them to favor casting their best elemental attack. This was useful because their AI can't handle the Last Boss's "Moonless Gown", a permanent reflect effect. But they'd just cast their element, bounce it back to themselves and take no damage. If they actually hit it via "Conserve SP", they'll take 500 damage per reflect. Once you can change their AI, set it to "Heal/Support". At level 75, Koro would just give the party +Evasion/Hit and Akihiko would debuff the boss with -Defense and then -Attack. This also causes the Boss AI to break, in that he always attacks twice, but he always prioritizes debuffing. So he'd often give me a break during or after Moonless Gown phases.. like, "Cast Moonless Gown" + Group Attack, Rebuff Self + Debuff Party, "Uncast Moonless Gown", Rebuff Self, I reset my partner AI so that they hit the guy. My Titania could throw out a -Evasion to the boss or I'd use a +Defense Sutra to soften up the Group Damage from the boss and increase the odds I'd be allowed to attack.

At the last quarter of the last phase, he begins spamming an AoE with a chance for random debuffs. Your healer(my Yukari) should be set to Heal/Support permanently at this point and you just need to let your attackers slowly bring it home while not letting things get crazy.

No joke that it's an hour long boss fight and that's if you're killing him as fast as possible. You WILL need Somas to keep your entire party from running out of SP and to prevent the boss from killing you during a down-time. At least three of them.[/spoiler]
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2010, 09:14:39 AM »

Would recommend a final all-purpose Persona whose element complements the other preferred members of your party.  I mostly used Aigis, Akihiko and Mitsuru, so I defaulted to Surt at the end for Fire purposes.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2010, 09:17:16 AM »

I had a bunch of generically high-leveled but not all that practically impressive Personas hanging around (Baal Zebulb, Susan-O, Sandalphon, Cybelle) for the Lightning Spam phase and Mudo Spam phase.

Surt's a cool dude, he Fire Amps Ragnarok and doesn't afraid of anything. I'd say that Surt, Chernobog and Cybelle were my favorite end-game Personas.

I just ended up using Titania for the second half of the game for raw convenience and in the last boss by virtue of being shackled to the intelligent heal-bot role. I imagine that Persona 3 Portable will be a bit more enjoyable and vastly easier by virtue of four turns of human intelligence and item use vs one!
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2010, 04:49:32 PM »

Probably 7-10ish.

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As far as progression throughout the game goes, it sounds like we've played fairly similarly.  I totally don't remember what my level was though (PS2 not hooked up, too lazy to check).  I'll have to check it out.  I think I only played a few days worth of the endgame, and I plowed through two or three of the sixth block's bosses in that time.  If the sixth block has five bosses, then it sounds like I'm pretty ahead of the game.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #115 on: April 12, 2010, 06:41:28 PM »

Alright. JUST NOW beat Jin and Takaya. Jesus Christ. I have two save files. Before I grinded to beat them and after. There is a 14 hour difference.
I guess I need to spend more time in Tartarus
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #116 on: April 12, 2010, 09:31:43 PM »

I killed Death before taking on the final boss and grinded to level 99 in Monad. I ended up one-shotting Jin, Takaya, and the final boss's last form with Armageddon.

Hey, I beat Death (on hard!) before level 80 and without spamming thunder rage or whatever it was called, I earned my easy ending.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2010, 01:28:41 AM »

Way to just ruin one of the most satisfying end boss fights in a game in recent memory by using armageddon. Congratulations.
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Re: Persona 3
« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2010, 06:53:46 AM »

Good thing I stopped reading after the first few words!
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