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Author Topic: EA = Killdozer  (Read 7934 times)

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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #100 on: January 04, 2012, 06:03:58 PM »
 :tldr: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #101 on: January 04, 2012, 06:20:37 PM »
Well, and keep the people who are inherently neither the very closest.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #102 on: January 04, 2012, 07:42:51 PM »
What I don't understand is anyone framing this as him being purely exploitative. A lot of the utilities he made were things which were universally considered useful and which he distributed for free.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #103 on: January 04, 2012, 08:24:46 PM »
The problem with people like him is that their natural inquisitiveness and desire to skirt the rules of the system have impaired his ability to have judgement towards the long term consequences of their actions to themselves and other people.

His nature and ability may have helped him create a lot of very useful tools for the community, but they are also responsible for him being such a damaging asshole. By his own admission, he ruined TF2 twice.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #104 on: January 04, 2012, 08:58:55 PM »
He's a liar. He made TF2 a better place both times. By basically doing away with unlocks and by taking away dumb things from crazy people. He's all wins in my book.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2012, 09:54:10 PM »
Remember, this is Kayin (of I Wanna be the Guy fame) he counts as "crazy people" vis-a-vis videogames.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2012, 11:33:06 PM »
Hey, I laughed at that, but remember, -Valve hired him-. Also will anyone actually say that TF2 was ruined by the idler program? Is anyone going to make that dumb claim? In fact, that probably helped expedite more reasonable drop rates. Also, is anyone also going to claim that him gaming some golden wrenches ruined anything for any of you? You know, an item that you had virtually no chance of getting to begin with and just convinced people to scrap and combined items because they're hilariously easy to manipulate with farmville style bullshit?  Lts be honest here, no one was negatively effected by the idler program  (I mean, you can text-mode idle now, can't you?) and the effect Drunken Fool could have had on the bullshit Golden Wrench contest was statistically insignificant. Compare that to things like the backpack examiner and the guy has clearly done more good than bad and the 'bad' he's done sorta makes him a desirable employee, especially considering he probably passed some other tests.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #107 on: January 04, 2012, 11:38:05 PM »
Everything he did was indicative of curiosity, initiative, interest, and talent. Employment is a very reasonable response.

But it's also very different from this thread, which is about MMO exploits and disproportionate responses thereto.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #108 on: January 04, 2012, 11:40:58 PM »
There are only so many ways to say "BioWare is too lazy to patch things and EA is more than happy to cover for it if it means screwing over customers".
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #109 on: January 04, 2012, 11:49:21 PM »
I want to clarify a few things about DF:

Both the idler program and the script to combine and smelt metal were outside things attached to TF2.

After the idler program, F00l was told directly by Valve to not make third party programs that directly messed with TF2 like that.

The golden wrench thing involved a third party program, and subsequently he was banned for that.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #110 on: January 04, 2012, 11:56:53 PM »
I can't speak for others but that bit of information does not actually invalidate anything I've said.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #111 on: January 04, 2012, 11:59:29 PM »
I think this is a hazy line too because like, one thing is something that emulates a client and another is something that can be done using autohotkey.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2012, 12:01:32 AM »
Quote from: Brentai on January 04, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
I can't speak for others but that bit of information does not actually invalidate anything I've said.

Oh I fully agree with hiring him in a "friends close enemies closer" sort of way.

Just saying, it's not that he was banned just for exploiting the system, but also because he was outright warned to never exploit it again using third party things.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2012, 06:38:20 AM »
Oh I get it now! EA's gonna hire all the players they banned. They've been planning it all along, right?

right? :nyoro~n:
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #114 on: January 05, 2012, 08:22:43 AM »
Speaking of Golden Wrenches... does bleck still play at all?
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2012, 03:13:33 PM »
Quote from: Mongrel on January 05, 2012, 08:22:43 AM
Speaking of Golden Wrenches... does bleck still play at all?
I don't see the relation between those two topics, unless it's some sort of obscure zing that I don't get. dtsund was the one with the Golden Wrench, and he still plays.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #116 on: January 05, 2012, 04:12:18 PM »
No there was no relation. I just misremembered who it was that had it.
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Re: EA = Killdozer
« Reply #117 on: September 18, 2012, 11:53:35 AM »
BioWare founders announce retirement, which kinda just confirms what we already knew: BioWare's totally subsumed at this point.

A pity.  I still like BioWare.
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