Topic: The TF2 Thread (Read 255906 times)

Bongo Bill · « **Reply #2160 on:** May 02, 2009, 12:44:26 AM »

Quote from: Burrito Al Pastor on May 02, 2009, 12:40:28 AM

Valve is engaging in the greatest trolling of their userbase since... shit, I dunno.

Brentai · « **Reply #2161 on:** May 02, 2009, 02:09:39 AM »

I can't wait to stick an Perfect Emerald in Sasha.

A² · « **Reply #2162 on:** May 02, 2009, 04:41:05 AM »

Quote from: sei

Quote from: Shinra
until 6.20 Damage was almost unusable
wat

OK, unusable is a harsh word. 'DPS capped a lot earlier than many loadouts and classes' is a better phrasing. They improved sandman damage and scaling and gave scout a lot more options for their rotations than Pst/FaN/Sand/Fan or 6x Scatter.

I won't deny that Scouts had and have it better than others, but that does not change that there are some fundamental problems with talents and abilities, and until they added the Double-Jump glyph, Speed had a pretty colossal leg up over the other two specs. I'm not including Bonk! in this, as I simply don't feel it was intended to be a real Scout spec (as evidenced by them making it completely terrible in 6.20.) at launch.

Friday · « **Reply #2163 on:** May 02, 2009, 04:57:47 AM »

I just saw a Pyro beat a Heavy in a 1v1 fight outside the first cap point of dustbowl part 2.

Nerf Spies.

Brentai · « **Reply #2164 on:** May 02, 2009, 05:55:58 AM »

Yeah, I'm quitting this game guys. I just can't muster up the free time that seems to be required to get anywhere in it.

JDigital · « **Reply #2165 on:** May 02, 2009, 10:34:49 AM »

wotc are turning tf2 into pokemon

François · « **Reply #2166 on:** May 02, 2009, 11:01:42 AM »

i have hired two korean kids to play my medic 24/7

you can tell which is which because kim chin-hwa uses the regular medigun and choi dong-sun likes the kritz better

Misha · « **Reply #2167 on:** May 02, 2009, 11:02:57 AM »

Quote from: JDigital on May 02, 2009, 10:34:49 AM

wotc are turning tf2 into pokemon

I catch ALL tiny animals!

Kazz · « **Reply #2168 on:** May 02, 2009, 12:14:27 PM »

hey guys, sorry I made everybody register on that terrible server

too bad you can't play on any others anymore

Arc · « **Reply #2169 on:** May 02, 2009, 01:54:59 PM »

Quote from: JDigital on May 02, 2009, 10:34:49 AM

pokemon

BARBARIC.

Doom · « **Reply #2170 on:** May 02, 2009, 07:03:38 PM »

NO LONGER SATISFIED WITH MERELY KILLING HIS FOES, DOOM BEGINS HUNTING... THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME

PUFF OF FIRE + AXTINGUISHER FINISH ONLY

FINAL DESTINATION

Mongrel · « **Reply #2171 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:29:52 AM »

Jesus Christ doom.

Brentai · « **Reply #2172 on:** May 03, 2009, 10:43:36 AM »

Man, I just cannot play Heavy any more. It feels like every single thing in the game is designed to kill him nowadays. You may as well wear a giant sign on your back that says "Please headshot/critnade/bonk/backstab me."

Misha · « **Reply #2173 on:** May 03, 2009, 10:46:39 AM »

I wouldn't mind all of that as much if it didn't also take twice as long to get to do anything as the other classes

Mongrel · « **Reply #2174 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Brentai on May 03, 2009, 10:43:36 AM

Man, I just cannot play Heavy any more. It feels like every single thing in the game is designed to kill him nowadays. You may as well wear a giant sign on your back that says "Please headshot/critnade/bonk/backstab me."

Quote from: drethelin on May 03, 2009, 10:46:39 AM

I wouldn't mind all of that as much if it didn't also take twice as long to get to do anything as the other classes

Been feelin' that for a while now. I figure Heavy has became nigh-unplayable on his own. Pretty much the class can only be used with good teamwork with a medic.

God help the fat boy when the sniper update hits.

Saturn · « **Reply #2175 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:47:58 PM »

The heavy update, which was SUPPOSED to lessen his reliance on a medic, didn't help that at all

Maybe giving sandvich a secondary "EAT WHILE MOVING" thing would help

Brentai · « **Reply #2176 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:58:15 PM »

The worst part of it is that even as Medic I don't want glom onto Heavies like I'm supposed to any more. That extra time it takes to get from Point A to Point B is just more time for Spies and Snipers to aim for me, and if that gun isn't already spinning then I am mou shinderu if a Pyro gets within 50 feet of us.

It doesn't quite help that most of the decent players seem to be of the same mind. Yes, Bal and Friday, there are occasional unstoppable killing dispensers every once in a while, but more often than not the really talented players seem to want to grind points as the more or less self-sufficient Demoman.

Mongrel · « **Reply #2177 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:23:45 PM »

One of the things I find really hurts the Heavy more and more these days is just how short his clip is. I'm not sure if increasing it to 250 or 300 would be fair, broken, or irrelevant, but it's one idea anyway. At the very least, it's the #1 reason the Sandvich doesn't see more use, since the shotgun is desperately needed as ammo backup.

I mean, it's more than enough to hold a point, but it's hard to really get a good long offensive push with a Heavy anymore, unless you're pushing a cart on a payload map.

Other ideas, such as changing the spinup time of the gun, decreasing it's random spread by a tiny margin, or making the Heavy faster might be a little too unbalancing. But I don't really know. What do you guys think?

patito · « **Reply #2178 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:41:17 PM »

The shotgun isn't ammo backup, the shotgun is there so you can kill people while you're on the move. But anyway, playing heavy has always been about being one step ahead of your team, and then retreating a bit to replenish ammo or health; I don't think this has ever changed.

Mobility is only really an issue if there's no teleporters.

They also did reduce the spread of the minigun a tiny bit in some update, I'm not sure if they broke that in later updates though.

And I don't really see the problem with pyros if you're not spinning your gun, you can use your shotgun on them easily or punch them if they get too close and aren't poofing you away.

Crouton · « **Reply #2179 on:** May 03, 2009, 06:25:38 PM »

You can also camp dispensers to be a self-healing turret. Works wonders on PL defense, and your engis won't complain about you watching their stuff.

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