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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1100 on: April 17, 2013, 09:52:13 AM »

Not only that, but it's made by many of the people who made Persona 4 The Animation, which is both the finest example of the silent protagonist our modern times have yet come up with and a great example of how to do a game based anime correctly.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1101 on: April 17, 2013, 03:01:55 PM »

so hey do you guys know dangan ronpa

no whats that
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1102 on: April 17, 2013, 03:05:48 PM »

Okay, first? Read this. Then read this.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1103 on: April 17, 2013, 03:27:44 PM »

Don't wanna.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1104 on: April 17, 2013, 03:35:10 PM »

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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1105 on: April 17, 2013, 03:42:04 PM »

it's anime battle royale with doraemon

it's fantastic
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1106 on: May 07, 2013, 09:09:54 AM »

welp, it finally happened

the unwatchable shitshow of Evangelion 3.0's second half finally got me to ragequit the series

anno you are worse than hitler
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1107 on: May 12, 2013, 02:35:39 PM »

So it's worse than the original?
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1108 on: May 12, 2013, 03:12:27 PM »

It's totally awesome, I don't know what movie he watched.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1109 on: May 13, 2013, 08:25:18 AM »

I dunno.  I found myself kinda wrapped up and interested in what's going on with Eva 3.0, and it left me wanting to watch Final.

Bonus hilarity: the subtitle of Evangelion Final is the musical notation for "repeat". 

Going further in to it, I liked how they had time to expand the relationship between Shinji and Kaworu.  In the series, the kid just shows up, says "I love you, Shinji", and gets fucked off.  In the movie, they had a chance to develop a bond, which is what I think Anno was going for originally, except it just came off as uncomfortable.

Also, between that whole "WE GOTTA DO THIS THING TO FIX EVERYTHING COME ON DUDE WHY ARE YOU STOPPING LET'S GO GO GOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO" and Shinji fixating on the off-hand compliment from his father, it just further pushes that theory of the Hedgehog's Dilemma that was mentioned in one of the earlier TV episodes.

Also, his reaction to discovering Rei's true nature is probably a lot more natural.

I kinda want to break down all the crazy stuff in 3.0.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1110 on: May 13, 2013, 08:46:33 AM »

It's totally awesome, I don't know what movie he watched.

Well, I didn't completely hate it, I guess, but it was a mess, and one that wasn't particularly fun or interesting to watch. I mean, I watched 2.22 like six times. I fucking love that movie. I can't imagine I'll watch 3.0 again, though. If 2.0 had all of my favorite aspects of Eva rolled into one movie, 3.0 has all my least favorite.

(Spoilers below)

Again, the first third's pretty promising. I like where all the characters ended up, the ragtag navy of survivors is sort of cool, and the eva redesigns are nice (the half-Angel Unit 00 in particular, but I also dug how the Unit 02 apparently can't get new limbs grown, now that they're divorced from Nerv, so she's been swapping out robotic ones). Gendo's army of half-grown evalings are a great element, too; I like the idea that by this point, he's gone past deterring the Angels and is now just growing his own. Misato running her own splinter group is great too, especially since they're probably the last humans on Earth at this point.

That said, the action scenes are flashy but few and blah overall. Things spin and flip and explode, but it's hard to follow and are weirdly low-stakes. You never get the sense they are in actual danger, really. The Willie flying ship is just... really, really out of place in this universe. It feels straight out of Eureka 7, or some Gainax show about air pirates they had half-developed. Besides that great scene where they boot up the S2 engine, gone are the vast modern-tech engineering feats they've had to pull off in the past to go toe to toe with the Angels. Here they point their flying ship at the thing, and fire a barrage of LASER CANNONS until it explodes. It feels like a joke, maybe? Like this is something some third-tier knockoff Eva series would try?

I can't fault it for being radically different, because I'd much rather that than something like 1.0, which was fairly dull until that last battle. But it feels like a completely different, weirdly generic anime, complete with standard bridge crew and non-strategies relying on raw bravado and luck to pull through. That fits for Gurren, but one of the things I love about Eva is that they've never left a single fucking thing to chance if they could help it. They have a plan for every concievable contingency, and they try everything they can before it comes down to the pilot. If Gendo had gotten the dummy plug to work like he'd hoped, they'd be out of the equation too. Granted, there's something cool about them no longer have the luxury of a nation's resources to stave off the end of the world, but it loses something grandiose in the process. You got the sense the entire planet and her resources were devoted to making sure the Eva project worked.

We get some decent answers after they visit Nerv, like the nature of Seele and the necessary backstory about Shinji's mother and Rei's clones, but it's all so empty and morbid and dark that it grinds the story to a halt as he takes in the various sights of Nerv's unguarded secrets and the ruined planet, one after the other. The new hellscape is cool, visually, the rows of crosses in particular, but it's almost too alien to be quite as unsettling as in the past. One thing I liked about Eva's setting was that there are all these things very, nightmarishly wrong with their world, but people still attempt to go about their day with some normalcy. The seas are red and empty of life, but there's still boats floating around and little plants devoted to cycling the dead water. There's huge sections of the original city left to decay, and unexplainable cornered off areas like this, but people still go to work every day. Their entire city sinks into the ground, because sometimes it has to be a battleground, and the next day cleanup crews roll out to scrub the monolithic walls of blood off of their building. The lengths mankind goes to in order to keep on living are unsettling and fascinating. Was sad to see that go in favor of wide, general devastation.

I suppose the Eva redesigns you see along the way are cool - in general, all the designs are as well-done as ever - but I got the sense they were just pumping out variations to sell figures or whatever. You'd only see each kind of design for a bit before it morphed into something else, or left, or exploded. The Mark 09 from the moon is never shown in action, for all the buildup to its lunar excavation and outfitting. In its place are several new Evas I struggle to remember, considering how erratic they were and how briefly they remained.

The last battle is bizarre, too. Everyone spins around and shoots at each other in a frenzy of desperation, things explode, and Seele's incomprehensible plan is foiled. By the end, nothing has really changed but that they got the three pilots together again. That would've been fine if the fight had been particularly good, but it was dark, confusing, and sort of low-stakes? You knew they weren't going to cause the Third Impact, so why did they make that the centerpiece of the finale?

I'll see the last part, of course, because I've come this far, but going off the preview, I really hope they're not going to stick around Tokyo-03. The location is dead and I don't really see what they could find exploring it. Likely, they'll go to the big moon screw thingie, and we'll get some more details about the Angels, which are this point aren't quite as mysterious now that everything they might have tried, they already have.

That said, I talked to feem about it online a couple days ago, and he mentioned that it's possible this all could still fit into the repeating-universe theory. Kaworu's plan seemed different this time than in the show, where instead triggering the Third Impact, he just wanted to help out Shinji. When he got there, things weren't as he expected, and the plan collapsed, telling Shinji he'd see him again before he saved his life. Consider how he keeps mentioning that he'll get it right "this time", he might show up again during the next iteration of the world. That might be cool, but I'm not holding my breath that the finale will be anywhere near that well-planned.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1111 on: May 13, 2013, 09:30:48 AM »

Yeah, I'm there with you in thinking that the Kaworu from each of the spinoff universes is actually the same Kaworu.

However, since he's the Angel of Free Will, does it really make sense that he seems to be forced to do this in each of these alternate realities?  Or maybe he's somehow doing this all on his own.  I don't think we'll ever get an answer about Kaworu ever.  Not while MERCHANDISING is still a thing.

I think the one from the moon was actually the Mark 06.  Sometime during the 14 year timeskip, Mark 06 fused with Lillith, and I'm guessing that the Lances of Longinus were shoved in Lillith to stop the process.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1112 on: May 13, 2013, 09:49:03 AM »

However, since he's the Angel of Free Will, does it really make sense that he seems to be forced to do this in each of these alternate realities?  Or maybe he's somehow doing this all on his own.

I was thinking it was something he was doing on his own, with his goal for some reason being Shinji's happiness. I know he technically takes orders from Seele, but in this movie, it didn't seem that way. I think Seele expected him to take orders to a point, then when he served his purpose in getting the spears out, they turned over control to the last Angel, that weird ball of spines thingy that showed up for half a second, then was eaten by the 08. Maybe that was the giant from the moon, and it just changed form? It's annoyingly unclear.

In this movie, Kaworu planned to ignore Seele's plan and go with his own, to help out Shinji, which means he has is own agenda. I guess they predicted this far in advance, planned around it, and like in the old show, Kaworu failed.

I think the one from the moon was actually the Mark 06.  Sometime during the 14 year timeskip, Mark 06 fused with Lillith, and I'm guessing that the Lances of Longinus were shoved in Lillith to stop the process.

There's a lot of things implied that I would've liked to have seen, even briefly. I think we're meant to assume that everything that they showed in the 2.0 preview for 3.0 actually happened, so Kaworu went down the shaft by himself in the Mark 06, with the spear, and used both it and the one down there to stop the rising Lilith dead in her tracks. Again, it's unclear why Seele would want Kaworu to do this, considering that they're both Angels, and they've been trying to make this happen for the entire show, but yeah. It's a mess.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1113 on: May 13, 2013, 05:40:08 PM »

yeah, I have to say that them powering up their stupid spaceship for the first time in 14 years made no sense, when they're already all so good at piloting it somehow. Kaworu is awesome, so I have no problem with anything he does, even if he was NERV's janitor. And the beginning is so confusing that I was sure that battle was supposed to take place at some point after the movie when Shinji was already back with them or something.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1114 on: May 13, 2013, 09:48:36 PM »

THey had to get Unit 01 to power the stupid spaceship.  Shinji was stuck inside Unit 01 just like it happened when he went all PILOT VANISHED, and when they scooped him out, he couldn't activate 01 anymore.  Since 01 has the S2 engine, WILLE is using 01 as the primary power source for their stupid spaceship.  I found it hilarious that the pilot rig goes in to an entry plug and they're swimming in LCL like it's an Eva, and that's how they have that huge heads up display.
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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1115 on: May 14, 2013, 12:49:17 AM »

When the flying ship lifted off and the bridge crew sank into the giant plug I was all bracing myself against my chair, silently chanting, "Oh no, no, oh no no no, don't do this..."

"Arm the anti-AT laser cannons!"

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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1116 on: May 14, 2013, 02:14:45 AM »

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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1117 on: May 20, 2013, 04:30:50 PM »

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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1118 on: May 22, 2013, 05:42:49 AM »

corgis are literally the best

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Re: Jap Cartoons
« Reply #1119 on: May 22, 2013, 09:03:18 AM »

I used to think otherwise but luckily this video and cowboy bebop have shown me the error of my ways
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