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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2008, 03:02:08 PM »

Reminder: The place where I grew up is Las Vegas.

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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2008, 04:55:29 PM »

Guess what? Losing fat doesn't necessarily mean it's good for your health.  You fight illness better with fat than muscle.  And being fat doesn't make you diseased, lack of exercise does.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2008, 04:57:48 PM »

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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2008, 05:59:24 PM »

Whatever, fatty.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2008, 06:41:21 PM »

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/consequences.htm

Correlation, not causality, but w/e.

Obesity, in our society, suggests the presence of a lot of chemicals that are the cause of ailments obesity alone may or may not.

Unless you ballooned to 400 lbs. by eating carrots.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2008, 07:13:42 PM »

I was mainly responding to "being fat doesn't make you diseased."

If obesity is itself considered a disease (rather than a symptom) all of this goes right out the fucking window, anyway.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2008, 07:43:32 PM »

Obesity is in the scope of eating disorders.  And has a sizeable genetic component.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2008, 07:47:10 PM »

Our society glazes over the lack of exercise and diet problems and jumps straight to blaming obesity.  They assume obesity is what's causing problems, when it's really the two former things.  You can be fit and obese, and there are studies on all the supposed obesity-causing diseases, and none of them actually point to obesity.  Of course, the only data people see is what the media wants you to see, which would be the studies that are poorly done with correlations and crap samples that say obesity is killing us.  And to that, I say a hearty "fuck you" to the media.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2008, 07:53:11 PM »

Um.  You can't be fit and obese, because obesity by definition means you're unfit.  You can be fit and overweight, but that's not the same as obese.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2008, 07:56:33 PM »

Obesity has to do with weight (such as the stupid BMI tables), not level of fitness.

Dictionary.com defines obesity as "very fat or overweight; corpulent."  Hmmmmmm.....I don't see unfit there.  Hmmmm.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2008, 10:02:14 PM »

Dictionary.com isn't exactly a medical dictionary.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #91 on: October 13, 2008, 06:01:40 AM »

WebMD - Obesity

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Being obese means having so much body fat that your health is in danger.

I think the confusion comes from the BMI scale, which is a height-weight comparison that has nothing to do with the actual amount of fat in your body.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #92 on: October 13, 2008, 06:07:59 AM »

WebMD - Obesity

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Being obese means having so much body fat that your health is in danger.

I think the confusion comes from the BMI scale, which is a height-weight comparison that has nothing to do with the actual amount of fat in your body.

Yeah, extremely buff people can be considered obese on the BMI chart because muscle is so heavy, but I don't think those people are actually obese.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #93 on: October 13, 2008, 06:21:58 AM »

That, and, you can be relatively short and light and still be a lump of fat.

How much fat you have in you is not the only axis of fitness.  Poor health comes in a variety of forms.  Having fat on you is not a bad thing, but having too much fat is (that's why it's "too much".)  How much is too much?  Let's draw the line at stretch marks, I guess.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #94 on: October 13, 2008, 07:13:47 AM »

LD, you do know that those BMI tables are lousy approximations, right?
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« Reply #95 on: October 13, 2008, 08:03:17 AM »

No shit, of course I know that.  That doesn't mean doctors and pediatricians don't use them somewhat still, and somebody who is full of muscle mass that makes them "obese" will still be considered "obese."  And obesity only became such a fucking huge problem because our culture perpetuates this ideal of thinness that most people cannot even hope to achieve, while showing commercials for BK and McDonalds and diet pills.  And then we have the insurance companies who came up with the fucking weight charts, and they are the ones who came up with stupid correlations to suggest that body fat = omg you're gonna die.

Body fat is a good thing, and it usually isn't gonna ENDANGER YOUR LIFE, even if you are obese by the standards of having a ton of body fat.  Body fat is there to protect you and it keeps you from getting diseases, you recover from cancers better, you are protected from some cancers as a woman, and the amount of body fat you have doesn't determine if you get high cholesterol or heart problems--your fucking shitty diet and lack of exercise does.  And if you changed those two things and still weighed enough to be obese, you could be as healthy as somebody who is lightweight and exercises regularly.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #96 on: October 13, 2008, 08:55:47 AM »

Too much body fat is basically as dangerous as too much glucose, testosterone, salt, iron, high fructose corn syrup or even oxygen.  Throwing off the normal parameters of the human body is never a good thing.  The main problem is that a lot of people who really ought to know better don't seem to realize that one person's normal parameters are going to be totally different from the next.  I get this a lot with my various chemicals (esp. the aggression causing shit - I've had well-meaning docs try to raise those with hilarious results.)
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #97 on: October 13, 2008, 08:56:38 AM »

Yeah, extremely buff people can be considered obese on the BMI chart because muscle is so heavy, but I don't think those people are actually obese.

True. I'm chubby, but I'm also very agile, and I run everywhere (especially now that the weather has cooled comfortably); my legs are muscular to a degree that you wouldn't expect if you just looked at my gut. Wii Fit puts me halfway up the obese category according to BMI, but I know for a fact that I'm actually just over the line between healthy and overweight.
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« Reply #98 on: October 13, 2008, 08:58:40 AM »

Wii Fit is actually the perfect case to my point: its BMI scale is for the almost universally ectomorphic Japanese people.  Anybody with a metabolism slower than Shaggy's is going to end up overweight on it.
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Re: Fatty Fatty Fat Fat
« Reply #99 on: October 13, 2008, 09:01:46 AM »

Actually my brother just got on this and he qualifies as normal. And he looks like it. He's nearly as tall as I am, and somewhat slimmer but nowhere near skinny. It appears that mileage will vary.

(In other words I basically agree.)
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