Topic: Wrath of the Lich King (Read 239938 times)

King Klown · « **Reply #4480 on:** January 02, 2010, 07:01:20 PM »

I generally chain pull without much problem in heroics. Occasionally I'll get a rogue doing 6k and pull aggro from a single mob during a transition, but he has evasion, he'll be fine.

DnD something down, one of each color left. Icy Touch, Plague Strike, Pestilence. Everything has a DoT, DnD has about 10 seconds left on CD. You can put your front towards the mobs and moon walk to the next group after DnD on the ground expires, and just pestilence one of your current mobs when you get near the new group. By the time that happens, DnD is off CD again.

Or get close to the next group and death grip one into your group, let them all come. Pestilence, Blood Boil, Blood Tap, Set down DnD again.

Though that's with Blood and Unholy. Frost? Uh. Howling Blast moar I guess.

A² · « **Reply #4481 on:** January 02, 2010, 07:11:58 PM »

The Rogue and Druid DPS were ICC10 Geared, which may have been part of the problem in reguards to nothing staying put.

King Klown · « **Reply #4482 on:** January 02, 2010, 07:20:28 PM »

If the rogue wasn't tricking and the druid wasn't swiping, they should go ride their MT's ass. I'd say they're in the wrong more so than you.

Cthulhu-chan · « **Reply #4483 on:** January 02, 2010, 08:10:02 PM »

Quote from: King Klown on January 02, 2010, 07:01:20 PM

Frost? Uh. Howling Blast moar I guess.

DnD, Howling Blast, BB, then regular aoe cycles, using HB and BB as necessary is working for me. I'm tempted to pull a point out of something to max out morbidity, having DnD down to 15 sec would be nice.

Rico · « **Reply #4484 on:** January 02, 2010, 08:20:10 PM »

Frost works either with or without D&D, really, if you can get people to hold off for the 0.5 more seconds you need to position for HB over D&D.

The trick with DK as opposed to other tank classes is to realize that if you have aggro and you think something may go wrong in the near future, there is no particular reason to burn all of your runes on CD.

Norondor · « **Reply #4485 on:** January 02, 2010, 08:45:24 PM »

I usually just do a bone-simple disease rotation and pull with HB as i approach packs. SHRUG.

King Klown · « **Reply #4486 on:** January 02, 2010, 08:55:58 PM »

Quote from: Cthulhu-chan on January 02, 2010, 08:10:02 PM

Quote from: King Klown on January 02, 2010, 07:01:20 PM
Frost? Uh. Howling Blast moar I guess.

DnD, Howling Blast, BB, then regular aoe cycles, using HB and BB as necessary is working for me. I'm tempted to pull a point out of something to max out morbidity, having DnD down to 15 sec would be nice.

Never, ever, ever had any AoE problems with frost. DnD + HB seems kinda overkill imho.

Hey, while we're on the subject of tanks...

Leveling a druid right now, with the intent of tanking and PvP healing. What do druid tanks look for in gear? Agility and stam only, with smattering of strength for rawrimabear?

A² · « **Reply #4487 on:** January 02, 2010, 10:03:58 PM »

On the flip side, I just saw a tank wearing greens and blues and with 23k HP tank Azjol-Nerub and not lose anyone, and not go below 90% health.

Godlike healer, savant tank, or both. Was pretty amazing.

Cthulhu-chan · « **Reply #4488 on:** January 02, 2010, 10:59:29 PM »

My tank gear is shite, I only consider it acceptable because I reached def cap. 22k hp unbuffed, so I know I owe a lot of my success to over geared healers.

Well, that and heroic 5-mans don't seem particularly hard.

Shinra · « **Reply #4489 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:01:26 PM »

Quote from: Sir Ken of Pachi III, Esq. on January 02, 2010, 10:03:58 PM

On the flip side, I just saw a tank wearing greens and blues and with 23k HP tank Azjol-Nerub and not lose anyone, and not go below 90% health.

Godlike healer, savant tank, or both. Was pretty amazing.

anything over 20k is fine for any of the launch heroics, seriously, I'm not sure where this illusion came from that heroics require gear to have success. HOR is pretty hard if you're not fully badged out, but the rest of them are really easy, this includes FOS and especially POS.

Shinra · « **Reply #4490 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:04:25 PM »

Quote from: Norondor on January 02, 2010, 06:13:43 PM

No, DK just isn't as awesome as some other classes in heroics. Runes + no shield (not even bearshield) = We'll keep an eye on DK performance in heroics.

They were still wrong to kick you, but.

This; DK have never been strong heroic tanks. Short fight times + rune cooldowns is a recipe for failure. I see a lot of DK tanks using corpse explosion in 5 mans because it's RP based, but obviously you need corpses for that. If you're just running for badges, you might enjoy queueing as DPS more until you get enough badges to be done with heroics. It'll take longer to get queued but you won't be shitting bricks as much trying to hold threat with dps who don't understand how the different tank classes work.

King Klown · « **Reply #4491 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:08:05 PM »

Glyph DnD

Farm Heroics

Rico · « **Reply #4492 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:09:21 PM »

Quote from: King Klown on January 02, 2010, 08:55:58 PM

Leveling a druid right now, with the intent of tanking and PvP healing. What do druid tanks look for in gear? Agility and stam only, with smattering of strength for rawrimabear?

Pretty much. Agi and Stam are king, no point at all in going out of your way for strength. Armor is still good even if bonus and jewelry armor doesn't multiply. Gems are 2% armor meta, Solid for blue, Shifting and Enduring for red and yellow if bonuses are meaningful.

There's been some discussion about gearing more heavily towards agi for ICC, but no one really cares either way.

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anything over 20k is fine for any of the launch heroics, seriously, I'm not sure where this illusion came from that heroics require gear to have success.

I was in a regular Nexus earlier and the 73 healer completely flipped his shit because the tank-specced 71 Paladin had less HP than he did. A non-tankspecced DK with higher health tried to fake it to mollify him but it went predictably horribly.

A² · « **Reply #4493 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:44:01 AM »

Ehhhhhh.

Yeah, I'm just going to grab Ironsoul and queue as DPS. Not like I skipped two thirds of the NR quests while shooting for 80, so I have plenty of things to do in the meantime. Plus being obscenely overgeared means I can solo every quest

I dunno, it just annoys me how...weak a DK is in reguards to chain-pulling. Which is ironic because I've always been told to operate on the menality of "Prep for Bosses, not for Trash". I had no problem dealing with Jaraxxus, or Razorscale, but I see my friend Elas (WAR) just charging and pulling everything and mobs refused to pull off of him, and I compare it to Ixyral who I keep having to Dark Command and Death Grip shit.

Maybe I should level my Paladin and have him tank.

A² · « **Reply #4494 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:47:33 AM »

Quote from: Shinra on January 02, 2010, 11:01:26 PM

Quote from: Sir Ken of Pachi III, Esq. on January 02, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
On the flip side, I just saw a tank wearing greens and blues and with 23k HP tank Azjol-Nerub and not lose anyone, and not go below 90% health.

Godlike healer, savant tank, or both. Was pretty amazing.

anything over 20k is fine for any of the launch heroics, seriously, I'm not sure where this illusion came from that heroics require gear to have success. HOR is pretty hard if you're not fully badged out, but the rest of them are really easy, this includes FOS and especially POS.

I just mostly have horrible memories of Heroic Azjol and Heroic Gundrak being hellholes at launch.

Norondor · « **Reply #4495 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:53:41 AM »

Quote from: Sir Ken of Pachi III, Esq. on January 03, 2010, 02:44:01 AM

Maybe I should level my Paladin and have him tank.

Paladin and Warrior are easy in heroics. DK isn't. This is entirely (or nearly entirely) because of shield block value being a flat damage reduction, which is why they are changing it in Cataclysm. I can tank entire instances without a single un-blocked/dodged/parried hit, and it's glorious (i still tend not to actually chain pull though... part force of habit and part not quiiite trusting people not to let things get totally out of hand if i do. safer, easier, steadier).

King Klown · « **Reply #4496 on:** January 03, 2010, 08:21:09 AM »

Quote from: Sir Ken of Pachi III, Esq. on January 03, 2010, 02:44:01 AM

I dunno, it just annoys me how...weak a DK is in regards to chain-pulling.

Oh, DK's are very weak in regards to chain pulling vs the paladin and warrior, so you've got to be EVEN MOAR CLEVERER!

For instance. Can you mount up? GOOD. Now run past four packs of mobs and lay down DnD.

Is there groups of mobs around corners? GOOD. Now run into one, death grip one mob from one group and dark command from another. Lay down DnD.

Mentioned earlier about moon walking from group to group and using pestilence to spread diseases from a mob already on you to the new ones. Now replace DnD with Blood Boil and keep moon walking. (Sure to piss off those whoring DPS.

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I realized I was shield envious as I was tanking with my paladin the other night for his latter dungeons. "Wow, why am I not taking any dam--- Ooh, Parry, Dodge, Block, BLock, Block, Dodge..."

Hraedon · « **Reply #4497 on:** January 03, 2010, 08:57:07 AM »

I have over 3k sbv in my block set, so in this content shield block is basically a full physical damage immunity on a 30s cooldown. As a bonus, I regularly get 12k shield slam crits, and a hit for my full block value returns 1200 damage to whatever is hitting me.

Unfortunately, Warrior and DK are significantly worse options than druid (and comically worse than paladin) for content that matters, and this shows no sign of changing until cata.

Rico · « **Reply #4498 on:** January 03, 2010, 09:45:52 AM »

Quote from: Sir Ken of Pachi III, Esq. on January 03, 2010, 02:44:01 AM

but I see my friend Elas (WAR) just charging and pulling everything and mobs refused to pull off of him, and I compare it to Ixyral who I keep having to Dark Command and Death Grip shit.

DKs are in a bad place due to worse scaling of damage mitigation and inability to deal with "panic" situations without thinking ahead.

If you are having trouble keeping threat while moving at a brisk pace, it is entirely your fault because DK AoE threat is considerably stronger than Warrior, and both are cooldown reliant.

Having investigated further, you really may want to drop Rune Tap and Lichborne for 2h Weapon specialization.

Doom · « **Reply #4499 on:** January 03, 2010, 09:59:25 AM »

To be fair, Warbringer is the best damn Heroic Ring-Leader talent in the game. A lot of time I can keep people from peeling away adds by sheer virtue of they can't hit them until I Shockwave the entire circus.

[spoiler]Vigilance is also the greatest threat talent in the game.[/spoiler]

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