Topic: Wrath of the Lich King (Read 239929 times)

Hraedon · « **Reply #4500 on:** January 03, 2010, 10:42:05 AM »

Vigilance is funny, given how contentious it is in the warrior community. Many of the tanking warriors that care at all about the ability beyond simply its effectiveness (and it is effective, as it is a 15% threat transfer from your top performer) resent the fact that acceptable threat generation is largely contingent on a dps.

Doom · « **Reply #4501 on:** January 03, 2010, 11:49:39 AM »

List of Level 80 Raid Bosses a Warrior can defeat with himself and an infinite number of healers:

Heigan
Loatheb?

God Damn DPS

I consider "Find the Improperly Talented Warlock/Dick-Sure Elemental Shaman/Legitimately Good Death Knight" a worth-while mini-game with meaningful results.

Hraedon · « **Reply #4502 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:24:33 PM »

Quote from: Doom on January 03, 2010, 11:49:39 AM

List of Level 80 Raid Bosses a Warrior can defeat with himself and an infinite number of healers:

Heigan
Loatheb?

God Damn DPS

you're pretty good at missing the point. Let's see if I can play this game! List of tanks that do not require any dps contribution beyond tricks/FD in order to hold aggro at the end game:

Druid
DK
Paladin

List of raid guilds abandoned by doom in order to run heroics on a backwater:

order

wow, this is easy and fun!

Doom · « **Reply #4503 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:39:48 PM »

Huh. And I was just joking that it's hard for me to care about needing a DPS' help (here, hold a buff) to build extra aggro because it's basically impossible to not have a DPS. Sorry if that was seen as a misplaced barb!

Also not sure why you care how my altitis and general disinterest with the game manifests itself. I'm about ready to let my subscription lapse anyway.

Rico · « **Reply #4504 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:42:03 PM »

Probably because you took a bunch of gear and then disappeared completely without warning after we all said you were maybe an ok guy?

Doom · « **Reply #4505 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:44:40 PM »

I am basically guild slime. I was wondering about that, although the months of extended silence about it didn't say much. Is there something I could do to make amends? Or shall our paths never again cross?

Pacobird · « **Reply #4506 on:** January 03, 2010, 01:16:33 PM »

doom i love you bro and we arent dogging on you but seriously man you have been doing that shit repeatedly for years

Doom · « **Reply #4507 on:** January 03, 2010, 01:18:41 PM »

I should probably just keep to myself and not trouble my bros, then. Sorry about all my bum racket.

Shinra · « **Reply #4508 on:** January 03, 2010, 01:33:23 PM »

I think this is some rock solid irony coming from a bunch of dudes who cancel their accounts in six month stretches. He who is without sin, eh?

Rico · « **Reply #4509 on:** January 03, 2010, 01:59:46 PM »

I know if there's anything which defines LB as a collective, it's quitting within 2 weeks of being accepted to a guild.

It's certainly not cancelling one's account weeks after a guild falls apart and there is 0 content available.

Shinra · « **Reply #4510 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:07:11 PM »

as i recall the reason the lb fell apart in tbc and classic was because it wasn't progressing fast enough for some of it's upper level raid core. EG, not giving them what they wanted from a guild - so they jumped ship. Some of you felt it was appropriate to leave then. I don't see how that makes you vastly different.

Rico · « **Reply #4511 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:18:50 PM »

That is not even close to what happened, but okay.

It fell apart in classic because it was fucking retarded to have rotating guild pug du jour and completely gear out about 60 people to have them jump ship while we were strongarmed into sitting our own DPS in favor of green geared rogue 3978.

TBC fell apart because we did not have enough tanks to field the 2.5 Karazhan groups which were required to move into 25m content after Guntz forced me out of the guild, and we were unable to shuffle lineups enough to properly gear out and teach the awful half-pug prospects we had.

norn · « **Reply #4512 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:25:35 PM »

I was present for the single month of LB that existed in TBC and I don't remember you being there at all, nor was that the reason that we 'fell apart' in any case, so I'm unsure what position of authority or even information you are speaking from. Just kidding, I'm not unsure, you have none. As for classic, maybe—I won't run my mouth about something I'm not entirely sure about.

Regardless, we didn't invite Doom to LB, but an actual (semi-)functioning raid guild, getting him a spot in 25s despite his relative lack of gear (then repairing that lack pretty quickly), bringing him to Ulduar 10 for a Rusted Proto-Drake despite there being other interested parties, et cetera, but he peaced pretty shortly thereafter. However, rather than people who think they are without sin—I want you to know I rolled my eyes just typing this—casting stones at Doom, it's more like resigned musing that we all knew what was going to happen and we helped it along anyway. I don't think anyone holds a grudge. It's just the way Doom is.

Pacobird · « **Reply #4513 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:53:57 PM »

Quote from: Doom on January 03, 2010, 01:18:41 PM

I should probably just keep to myself and not trouble my bros, then. Sorry about all my bum racket.

I'm not trying to get you to QUIT THE INTERNET FOREVER here; in fact, I sympathize and often do the same thing, but the difference is I've been trying to avoid being put in a position where I am actually relied upon/indebted since about March of 2007.

Doom · « **Reply #4514 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:55:49 PM »

I more meant Dethecus which coincides nicely with my desire to never play on Dethecus if I can help it. But uh yeah seconding the idea that I should show up to any gathering of people wearing a sign that reads "I will bolt the second I lose interest."

King Klown · « **Reply #4515 on:** January 03, 2010, 06:50:57 PM »

Known Doom for about a year and a half.

Played WoW with him for even less.

The dude does what he wants, when he wants.

There is no

from him. He comes, goes, fucks your wife, gets his loot, proves his penis and moves on to 'The Thing' for PS2 and trounces that mother fucker.

But in the end, really, he's a rascal and look at how cute he is.

sei · « **Reply #4516 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:28:50 PM »

Quote from: King Klown on January 03, 2010, 08:21:09 AM

Mentioned earlier about moon walking from group to group

You can strafe while still TPSing* and not giving the mobs your back. Backpedaling will show people that you are not an experienced tank.

*EDIT: Threat, not damage.

Quote from: Doom on January 03, 2010, 11:49:39 AM

I consider "Find the Improperly Talented Warlock/Dick-Sure Elemental Shaman/Legitimately Good Death Knight" a worth-while mini-game with meaningful results.

Given that all three DPS trees still grab Subversion (yielding 25% threat reduction) now, that DK is a shitty option.

Norondor · « **Reply #4517 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:40:22 PM »

Quote from: sei on January 04, 2010, 01:28:50 PM

Quote from: King Klown on January 03, 2010, 08:21:09 AM
Mentioned earlier about moon walking from group to group
You can strafe while still DPSing and not giving the mobs your back. Backpedaling will show people that you are not an experienced tank.

Going to the next pack faster isn't always the point. As far as i am concerned the ideal situation is if my party DPSes packs down just before i grab the next one rather than just chaining 2-3 back-to-back and risking an inopportune kick/silence/blind/knockdown that gets me or someone else killed; but then it is not without reason that i am called slowrondor.

Pacobird · « **Reply #4518 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:56:11 PM »

As a general rule, I set about pacing so that I always have Conc Blow ready for the last mob standing in a given pull; once the penultimate one's down, I'll stun the last one and move to the next pull; even if it survives the stun it'll die before it catches up with me. The 30 second cooldown is also a reasonable upper bound on time spent on a given pull these days, as well.

King Klown · « **Reply #4519 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:14:10 PM »

Quote from: Norondor on January 04, 2010, 01:40:22 PM

Quote from: sei on January 04, 2010, 01:28:50 PM
Quote from: King Klown on January 03, 2010, 08:21:09 AM
Mentioned earlier about moon walking from group to group
You can strafe while still DPSing and not giving the mobs your back. Backpedaling will show people that you are not an experienced tank.

Going to the next pack faster isn't always the point. As far as i am concerned the ideal situation is if my party DPSes packs down just before i grab the next one rather than just chaining 2-3 back-to-back and risking an inopportune kick/silence/blind/knockdown that gets me or someone else killed; but then it is not without reason that i am called slowrondor.

What Norondor said. What you suggest Sei is better suited on something like Onyxia. But here's something for trying.

Quote from: P. Birdy on January 04, 2010, 01:56:11 PM

As a general rule, I set about pacing so that I always have Conc Blow ready for the last mob standing in a given pull; once the penultimate one's down, I'll stun the last one and move to the next pull; even if it survives the stun it'll die before it catches up with me. The 30 second cooldown is also a reasonable upper bound on time spent on a given pull these days, as well.

I generally do something similar. Last mob I'll Chains of Ice, turn around and sprint to the next group with a DnD pull to get 'em closer.

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