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[Doom]

The problem here is that any meaningful plague scientists and cult of the damned/necromancers are completely neutered. They're not even a factor and at worst we have a rogue mage ala Arugal rising up and making a small, local problem of himself.

We literally killed the others that mattered, which is actually pretty meaningful when you recognize that a shaker like Kel'Thuzad is not getting back up again after that cinematic.

The "Bolvar's a Secret" will be a big deal, especially since there are blue posts along the lines of "Ner'Zhul's story has not been told yet", but at best you can be optimistic that something really cool will happen in the future but we're gonna eat some bad logic and writing pie until Cataclysm actually hits.

[Shinra]

Well, to be fair, they did need to have the quests in icecrown actually make sense when Cataclysm hit. The burning legion and blood elves had plenty of people to fill the leadership void when their leaders got knocked off - mindless undead on the other hand?

[Shinra]

so there's videos of the lich king encounter up on MMO-Champion. The less complex 10 man version is a twenty minute encounter, wearing full 25 man gear. Ha ha, oh wow.

If wrath had a guild killer, this is it. Fitting, I guess?

[Doom]

Apparently Ensidia was able to beat the 25 man version.

You know, with their usual heaping helping of exploit.

But yeah dang what an encounter. I caught that earlier X-Fire stream on Tuesday. Comedy abounds when they first saw that Val'kyr.

Ret Paladin: "Oh guys the Val'kyr has me, help!"

Ret Paladin: "Well ok I guess I'm going over here now, goodbye guys!"

[Doom]

3 day ban on Ensidia, some of them rage-quit over it?

Haha, I love drama.

Count-down to hasty reactivation of account when rage-quitters remember that Heroic Modes exist.

[Rico]

To be fair, it is a really stupid ban, as it occurred while doing a normal rotation and there were GMs watching the fight who presumably did not tell them to stop given that they got him on like attempt #10.

[Shinra]

I laughed until I realized Blizzard took away their drops and achievement. That's some serious bullshit right there. Pretty much every engineer uses saronite bombs in their rotation - it makes the profession viable for dps classes to take over the others.

Having said that, they should have stopped and examined what was going on when the platform rebuilt. It's not Ensidia's fault the encounter is bugged, but this wouldn't have been their first exploited world first kill.

[Rico]

I wholeheartedly believe that they assumed it was a bug apart from anything they were doing, because it doesn't happen on 10-man and I'm sure their Rogues were Sbombing there too, as it's been common practice since June or July.  Considering they received no punishment for any of their intentional exploiting kills, this is some pretty big egg on Blizzard's face.  At least Exodus' mob Evade-bugging was super-obvious ban material.

Well, a medium-sized egg, because even after MMO-champ banned all the anti-Ensidia trolls, every other post is still, "Who uses Saronite Bombs in a rotation I've never seen it in a parse on WMO they must have done it just to exploit."

And man, just another example of how Blizzard has no idea how people are actually playing their game, if this didn't show up in internal testing.

(P.S. holy shit MMO-champ and Ensidia's sites are getting fucking hammered today)

[A²]

Taking away gains for an exploit kill goes all the way back to wall-walking to C'thun in AQ40 because 'you're tired of trash'

Also I -think- "Ekyu"'s blog on Ensidia's site is admitting that they knew something was wrong, and knowingly went ahead anyway. It's hard to tell, the site loads halfway at best for me.

[Doom]

I'm mostly confused at how they'd "accidentally" discover it. Saronite bombs had a wide radius, sure, but are they tanking Arthas next to the edge with Comedy Val'kyr Drop? I find it odd that the bomb would be hitting this empty air and causing a platform chunk to snap back into place.

Also wondering if checking their armories with the fancy new HYPER ARMORY FEATURES would reveal recent profession swaps.

[A²]

I braved the MMO-champ thread about it, where there's plenty of Ensidia members posting. One of them claimed encounter mechanics and an aura by Arthas forced it.

[Doom]

You're reading a Main Site Forum War? You really are the bravest little gnome.

[Pacobird]

Saronite Bomb Rogues are the new Kraken Club Dark Knights.

[A²]

No. You fight adds on the edge of the platform because his aura makes you move or you die. You dont tank Arthas there, you kill adds that spawn. Do you understand this?

Sayeth "Tun"

People are saying that any world first attempt will have GM's in Inviso-Mode watching...I wonder why one didn't go "Hey guys hold everything"...then another voice in my head pops up and says "Red tape which means they have to fill out five hundred forms and submit a blood test before they can do anything other than say 'It's a top priority right now"

[Doom]

Reading suggestions that the platform exploit occurs earlier than a super death aura, like it actually prevents Comedy Val'kyr from killing you(they drop you on the part that should've crumbled, letting you casually walk back while no DPS breaks off Arthas.)

The highlight thus far is:

One week.

HEH, BLIZZARD, YOU'VE GOT ONE WEEK. oh man cata screenshots oh wait this is actually my job whoops re-upping 

[Doom]

OHHH SNAP SON

INTERNET DETECTIVE'D

[Shinra]

hahaha, oh wow.

I guess that answers that. Ban deserved! when you really think about it, it is awfully suspicious how pretty much every world first Ensidia gets just happens to involve serious fight mechanic bugs.

[Rico]

A lot of the Internet detectiving makes 0 sense whatsoever, or is people just feeling overly clever about the one conclusion they came to.

Before I start in, I would like to SICK BURN Doom for doing half-assed Internet detectivery and missing that the last portion of Mugg's blograge is directly lifted from Tigole's Everquest rants a la C'thunrage years ago.  Step up the game, son.

The biggest evidence here is that they gave Boub 150MB of log files, and he's posting in support of them.  This is the guy who sifted through all the Cata rumors and basically posted a totally accurate Blizzcon preview weeks beforehand, and runs the biggest WoW news site out there.  No reason for him to stick his neck out unless he's pretty sure.

The "blurred chatlog so they must have been talking about cheating/Blizz must have gone through chatlogs and found them saying "HAHA WE ARE EXPLOITING" is fucking retarded.  No one who's seriously trying to game an encounter with full knowledge of it is going to type it in fucking Blizzard chat.

The likeliest explanation is that the platform got tagged and respawned while the DPS was dogpiling a Valkyr on the way out, it happened a few more times.  What are they going to do, stop raiding for 48 hours to wait for their GM ticket to be serviced?  "Well, hey, none of the GMs we know are invisibly watching the fight right now have said anything for five attempts, so let's keep going."

"Well hey, might as well just cleave down LK and both Valkyrs."

"5 more attempts and they haven't said anything, let's just stop for 2 days and let some other guild beat the boss, we hate playing this game anyway ME 2 4 lyfe"

"Oh, cool, we all just got banned.  Cool of anyone to say anything."

[Rico]

t Shinra: Literally every high-end guild doing this encounter would be likely to encounter this bug at least once.  I would be very, very doubtful that had Ensidia not gotten the world-first already that the next guild would not have killed him before the hotfix went live.

[Doom]

Woah now, I actively chose not to comment on the direct Tigole spoof. "One Week" is hilarious and the rest of his "I'm so glad I'm quitting on Feb 21st" post is pretty straight shooting nerd rage. Call me sick burned either way.

And I was just linking an interesting little break. I'll readily admit that I am just thoroughly enjoying some juicy drama and a bit of schadenfreude, I'm not here to actually crack the case myself. Enisida has a history of exploitin' and it's a dirty pleasure to chuckle a bit now.

I think the only real screw-up on Blizzard's part is that they would not test a Profession-Unique thing. But I have no accurate or remotely reliable way of knowing how Blizzard does stuff, so all I can do is scratch my head and say "They don't assume Engineers will try wacky Engineering stuff out? Or even rote DPS boost stuff?" It'd be no less goofy than if you could spawn infinite orbs on Heroic Anub'Arak if you get the last hit with Wrist-Mounted Rocket. It's goofy, improbable, probably a poor example, etc.. but you'd think they'd take everything a PC could do and throw it at it to see!

Also agreed on Boub being pretty up and up.

I just thought I'd post that it's kinda wicked to see such a giant glaring hole like "didn't DPS the Val'Kyr." Now, as for the ethics and the desire to get those world firsts conflicting with whether or not to keep going and risk that world first?

I dunno, man. But uh, why not submit a ticket report? If invisible GMs are watching it, I think, when you submit a ticket that such GMs answer to, they'd notice it. If invisible GMs aren't watching it, 25 tickets regarding a pressing issue on hot content might get a slightly faster and better answer than the usual ticket garbage.

I think Ensidia generally conducts themselves in poor form and surprise, they got burned. Maybe a bit of extra karmic burn for giving us the slip earlier, but I don't trust them all that much. I totally believe that a GCDless profession attack would be in a world-first Rogue's rotation because he'd think that extra 50 DPS matters. But that's about as far as I can believe Ensidia.

And I went to the store after posting last time so maybe more has broken!