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[Rico]

It's an act, I've seen him talk normally in another video, but it's a very good act and his script is probably just quotes from forums.

Disappointed at Boub for outing AVRE.

[Doom]

10 and 25 man raids will drop the exact same loot in Cataclysm.

If you could actually harness the bitching from the official forums as energy...

"We of course recognize the logistical realities of organizing larger groups of people, so while the loot quality will not change, 25-player versions will drop a higher quantity of loot per player (items, but also badges, and even gold), making it a more efficient route if you're able to gather the people."

I wonder if they mean dramatically more. In ICC25, Saurfang farts two random T10 Badge Tokens out. Your entire raid needs four of them each. Good luck!

Also "and even gold" 

[Doom]

"It makes me sick to my #@%!ing stomach when I think of how much time, effort and money I've spent on this game over the last 5 years only to be forcefully sodomized as a top-end raider with each and every God damned expansion. Once again, here we are, catering to the lowest common denominator of droolcup retards (otherwise known as "the majority"). Terrible. "

Quoted as this reflects my views as well. As a player in one of the better (World top 200) guilds I feel exactly the same way here. Fuck you killing off half my content

I'M NOT OBLIGATED TO RAID TWICE AS MUCH EVERY WEEK FOR SOME SUPPLEMENTARY LOOT IN THE EXACT SAME DUNGEON 

Never change WoW players.

[Shinra]

10 and 25 man raids will drop the exact same loot in Cataclysm.

If you could actually harness the bitching from the official forums as energy...

"We of course recognize the logistical realities of organizing larger groups of people, so while the loot quality will not change, 25-player versions will drop a higher quantity of loot per player (items, but also badges, and even gold), making it a more efficient route if you're able to gather the people."

I wonder if they mean dramatically more. In ICC25, Saurfang farts two random T10 Badge Tokens out. Your entire raid needs four of them each. Good luck!

Also "and even gold" 

I never thought they'd do something like this, but I have to say, bravo Blizzard. At least running a guild isn't going to be such a God Damn Joke anymore.

With them shrinking us back down to one lockout per dungeon, though, I really hope they make gear actually useful across tiers. The gap between the tiers was too wide after ulduar - there really was no reason to go back and do these instances after TOC25 came out.

[Niku]

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[Büge]

Oh, God.  He's still going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE7FcJqiti0#t=3m31s

I can't decide what's the best part about that video. I guess it would be the mattress without sheets and/or the magic cards mounted under the cheesecake poster.

[Pacobird]

Would anyone actually take more drops per boss over less competition for the drops you actually want if the loot pools in both examples were the same?

[Rico]

Depending on how they design the badge system, the bonus badges for 25 may well be a tipping point at the beginning of every content tier.

[Doom]

Would anyone actually take more drops per boss over less competition for the drops you actually want if the loot pools in both examples were the same?

It's all a bunch of bitching about RNG in either case(item didn't drop OR lost roll against 3 others.) I'd be cool with the current state of things if they just fleshed out Badge Vendors. All badge trinkets kinda suck for Caster DPS, no Shields past ilevel 200, random BoE items(dem wrists) and so on. Just flesh the vendor out a bit and I'm cool with eventually cherry-picking an item for whatever reason I can't beat a RNG.

But hey, I'm just a very patient man who has never seen Muradin's Spyglass drop.

[Shinra]

In all honesty, I'd prefer to see all trinkets come from badges from here on out. From my experience, there's usually only one trinket every caster wants and usually only one trinket every melee wants in any given tier, and depending on your guild, you're looking at either losing it eight times to some fuckstain, or never getting it because you're a hybrid/don't do as much dps as a rogue/aren't the highest dps rogue/etc. (see: Dragonspine Trophy, Reign of the Unliving, Fury of the Five Flights and every other trinket that ever caused someone to ragequit)

I know Blizzard likes to put these trinkets in as 'incentive' to keep raiding in an instance, but the only way I can read that is "We put these hard to get trinkets in so you wouldn't notice as easily that we only release a new raid once every four to six months"

To make matters worse, the trinkets are such high DPS upgrades that not having them when entering a new tier of content can gimp your damage. Whoops!

[Doom]

In all honesty, I'd prefer to see all trinkets come from badges from here on out. From my experience, there's usually only one trinket every caster wants and usually only one trinket every melee wants in any given tier, and depending on your guild, you're looking at either losing it eight times to some fuckstain, or never getting it because you're a hybrid/don't do as much dps as a rogue/aren't the highest dps rogue/etc. (see: Dragonspine Trophy, Reign of the Unliving, Fury of the Five Flights and every other trinket that ever caused someone to ragequit)

I don't even care about getting my ONE TRUE ABSOLUTE BEST DPS TRINKET OPTION. My complaint is that often, the current vendor stuff is absolute garbage or too esoteric.

My Badge Trinket options as Caster DPS are currently: +Hit with +SP Use, +Intellect with +SP use, +Hit with +Haste Use, and +SP with a Resto Proc that I'll probably grudgingly get after 4p T10.

All I have to do to get a trinket that isn't from Tier 7 content is to Kill Anub'Arak on 25 Man and beat Every Caster In The Game on the roll, see Muradin's Spyglass drop(sup RNG) or I dunno, convince people to care about Ulduar 25. Derp-a-doo.

And hey, you're right that it could be worse. Nothing says "Melee DPS Class" like needing certain trinkets.

[A²]

God I love the QQ the hardcores put out thinking that Blizzard should always cater to their 1%.

<3

>Never seen Muradin's Spyglass drop.

Do we have some kind of "I feel your pain" emote?

"It makes me sick to my #@%!ing stomach when I think of how much time, effort and money I've spent on this game over the last 5 years only to be forcefully sodomized as a top-end raider with each and every God damned expansion. Once again, here we are, catering to the lowest common denominator of droolcup retards (otherwise known as "the majority"). Terrible. "

Quoted as this reflects my views as well. As a player in one of the better (World top 200) guilds I feel exactly the same way here. Fuck you killing off half my content

I'M NOT OBLIGATED TO RAID TWICE AS MUCH EVERY WEEK FOR SOME SUPPLEMENTARY LOOT IN THE EXACT SAME DUNGEON  

Never change WoW players.

Sodomized?

What an interesting choice of words. Because he sounds awfully...

Butthurt.

[A²]

<+T> "It makes me sick to my stomach when I see all these fucks on their new harvesting combines. Good job fucking over all the farmers who did things the hard way with every new piece of farming equipment they come out it to make things better for the majority."

I have the coolest friends.

[Shinra]

My father in law ran a high end raid guild on ysera; up until late icecrown, they were something like #2 or #3 on the entire server. So, they lost a couple of people - mostly due to officer incompetence - and due to elitism and impossibly high standards (This 6k gearscore warlock with world top 100 parses does not have a long enough application, denied!) they haven't been able to get more recruits to fill the spots.

So, the ex-gm, who quit and transferred servers 11 months ago after he ran the guild into the ground, coupled with the recruiting officer who is the primary reason the guild is now in the shitter, decided to team up and tell him if he didn't hand off the GM position they were going to leave the guild and take enough people with them to keep them from raiding for the rest of the expansion.

They failed to remember that my father in law, through auction house farming and careful monitoring of market trends, had kept the guild in potions, flasks, enchants and gear upgrades for the last year. So, before he passed off the guild leadership, he went into the guild bank and completely emptied it out.

All 280,000 gold worth.

 

[Rico]

and impossibly high standards (This 6k gearscore warlock with world top 100 parses does not have a long enough application, denied!)

Though given the rest of the story it sounds like this particular case was incorrect, denying people who can't put an application together is almost always the correct choice, regardless of gear or past performance.

[Pacobird]

And hey, you're right that it could be worse. Nothing says "Melee DPS Class" like needing certain trinkets.

I agree but I have to admit I do kind of like the idea of trinkets, being conceptually different from other pieces of gear, coming from different sources.  Personally, I'd have preferred they run with the DMC: Greatness model where a really good trinket is the semi-random Holy Grail of a craft, so that a dedicated crafter can make a lot of money via luck and pluck and everybody else has the option to drop a decent chunk of change on something more useful than vanity mounts.

[Shinra]

and impossibly high standards (This 6k gearscore warlock with world top 100 parses does not have a long enough application, denied!)

Though given the rest of the story it sounds like this particular case was incorrect, denying people who can't put an application together is almost always the correct choice, regardless of gear or past performance.

It wasn't that he couldn't put an application together -he put the app together just fine. He just was to the point with his answers.

Though normally yes, I would agree.

[Pacobird]

the tranny porn is not optional

[Shinra]

My father in law ran a high end raid guild on ysera; up until late icecrown, they were something like #2 or #3 on the entire server. So, they lost a couple of people - mostly due to officer incompetence - and due to elitism and impossibly high standards (This 6k gearscore warlock with world top 100 parses does not have a long enough application, denied!) they haven't been able to get more recruits to fill the spots.

So, the ex-gm, who quit and transferred servers 11 months ago after he ran the guild into the ground, coupled with the recruiting officer who is the primary reason the guild is now in the shitter, decided to team up and tell him if he didn't hand off the GM position they were going to leave the guild and take enough people with them to keep them from raiding for the rest of the expansion.

They failed to remember that my father in law, through auction house farming and careful monitoring of market trends, had kept the guild in potions, flasks, enchants and gear upgrades for the last year. So, before he passed off the guild leadership, he went into the guild bank and completely emptied it out.

All 280,000 gold worth.

 

So, update to this: The faggots who took over the guild bailed immediately the next day and formed a new guild. Then filed a petition, saying that Melira (my father in law) 'stole the guild bank' to 'hinder the progress of the guild'. (which was a dead guild, that was no longer raiding, that was abandoned even by the new owners) Despite him offering to pass out and divvy up the gold among the raid core and return gold/items to people who put them in the bank. (he just didn't want his hard work being taken from him by someone who had literally been in the guild for six weeks)

So some GM who didn't actually feel like doing his job and researching the situation banned my father in law for 72 hours on the grounds of 'scamming/phishing' and 'guild bank robbery', and rather than, you know, actually taking the items out of the guild bank and putting them back in the other guild's bank, said GM just withdrew 220,000 gold from Melira's bank guild and dumped it into the old guild's gbank.

Nevermind that Melira has hundreds of pages of logs to back up who the shit actually belongs to, and an GM who reviews the situation in depth would have understood this wasn't just a matter of guild bank robbery or some GM taking all the shit out and ragequitting. The guild was hamstrung at this point and wasn't going to recover.

I keep telling him to post to the customer service forums to get the ban undone - he's upset because now he has a 'final warning' on his account over something that he actually didn't do, not so much over the gold that was taken because the 20 primordial saronite he has alone will nearly be enough to cover what the GM took.

Oh, by the way? Immediately after the gold got transferred back to the old bank, the guy who filed the petition removed it all from the old guild's bank and dumped it into his new guild. Great job, there, GM team.

[Doom]

Yeah the GMs are pretty RNG these days.

But tell him to take everything he can and post it to a higher authority. If you have the GM's name at all, raise a holy shit-fit.

If Melira just gives up, they win and that's his decision, but if you push the right buttons you can probably get somebody with authority.

Also what magical backwater server are you on that Primordial Saronite goes for 10k gold per.