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« on: October 17, 2008, 12:04:03 PM »

So, why the fuck are they releasing Cave Story on the Wii now? I can't think of a stupider release for a console at the moment.

Hey guys, lets take a really charming little game that one really talented and compassionate Japanese guy made, change the graphics a little for no reason and call it an "update", change the cool sounding chiptune music to really generic sounding garbage that doesn't share the tempo or over all feeling of the old game and then charge for this abomination when anyone with a 56k modem and a pentium 2 can download the superior original for free. Who the fuck thought there was any reason to do this?

You know what made Cave Story cool, the fact that a guy made it out of nowhere, by himself and then you downloaded and it felt really cool and polished and you were like, "Hey, this game is sweet. I wish this had existed for the NES back when I was a kid or that there was some way I could go back and play this then, cause it's a lot cooler than a lot of the shit that came out back then when people didn't give a shit about videogames."

The characters were awesome and the graphic style was awesome. The game was fun to play just to dive in and see how deep Pixel had actually made it. When you finally beat it, it turned out it wasn't really THAT long or THAT deep, but it was a lot of fun figuring that out. More importantly, it still delivered way more than you expected.

To release this now, for money, with no added value and all the charm of the original playing experience completely missing... I just don't get it. Why didn't they just hire Pixel to make a new game, something worthy of anyone's money. It would have been a huge success and Pixel would have made all the money he deserves for his hard work. To instead release this for five people to buy and probably not even think much of though, it's such a fucking waste of time and money.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 12:12:22 PM »

Er, I was under the impression that the original pixel/chiptune shit was there in full.  And that Pixel was making his cut off it.

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Cave Story for Wii will feature 480p, a widescreen mode, and also some updated visuals and audio offerings, though reports say it'll also allow you to roll back and play the original as well, something we didn't have a chance to do.

Double Edit: Also a lot of news sites are hinting at extra content for the Wii version, so yeah, value added, original charm intact, go take your grumpy uninformed opinions elsewhere kthx.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 12:48:06 PM »

It's also possible that Pixel would like to reach a larger audience than just the few people who know about it on computers.

I'm not sure where Geo's rage is directed at.  Is he mad at Pixel for having the audacity to sell his work?  Does he think some suits cooked this scheme up to soullessly capitalize on some imaginary Cave Story mania?

Cave Story may be a labor of love for Pixel, but he's still entitled to port it to the other platforms and sell it if he wants.   The free, PC version of Cave Story will still be around, just now Pixel was given an opportunity to reach more people and even make a little cash on his creation, and he's perfectly within his right to do so.  Good for him, really.

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 12:52:18 PM »

No, I knew the original music and graphics were included in the game as an option, Brent. I also knew that Pixel was involved. I don't know why you would think I thought otherwise. I mean, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they just stole the game from Pixel.

My beef is... what I said my beef was. Why are they releasing this with new graphics and music that suck and add nothing, with negligible extras, when the game is already available for free to anyone with a PC. Plus that other stuff I said.

They should have gotten Pixel to make a new game, they would have made a lot of money as would have Pixel. Instead they will probably make next nothing from this and I don't think anyone who plays the game in this format will really be that impressed.

My point stands, Brent you are dumb and assume dumb things.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 12:53:15 PM »

My point stands, Brent you are dumb and assume dumb things.

Oh, ClassicGeo!  That is knee-slappingly funny.  You the man now, dog!

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 12:56:33 PM »

you're geo is dumb.

i tried to get cave story and all i see are moon language sites and i don't know up from down on them and i'm pretty sure i needed to find a translation patch or something and i never bothered.

so i'll probably get it on wii.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 12:57:18 PM »

Whatever, I just think it's really weak sauce. As a person who already played the original though, I guess I'm not the target audience.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 12:58:22 PM »

Geo's dumbI'm dumb and have my mittens pinned to my jacket.

I am the target audience.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 01:00:03 PM »

go find me a translated copy of the game where the download link is not IRUWIPUTERIPAFDSPJBGJSLHVLCYGJYLRUTLIASU and i'll play it ok
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 01:00:53 PM »

Geez, Geo.  You were seeming like you'd reformed into a smart man recently, but now the cup has tipped over and you've reverted back to a powder keg of stupid once again.  Way to go.



Unless... wait a second... SoraCross banned for good... Geo soundly coming down with a raging case of the stupid...
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 02:00:17 PM »

No, I knew the original music and graphics were included in the game as an option, Brent.

all the charm of the original playing experience completely missing


I also knew that Pixel was involved. I don't know why you would think I thought otherwise.

It would have been a huge success and Pixel would have made all the money he deserves for his hard work.


I beef is... what I said my beef was.

A website dedicated to trashing people's badly written opinions on internet video game forums.


add nothing, with negligible extras,

 :scanners:


they will probably make next nothing from this

Okay, show of hands: who here is buying this just on this forum?  And why do I see nothing but comments to the effect of "I'm definitely buying this"?  Hell, I'm seeing comments to the effect of "I'm buying a Wii so I can play this" when I look it up.  And considering the low development cost of the thing, they're pretty much looking at most of their income being profit here.

But, you know, predicting that a game will fail miserably despite the considerable support, just because you personally don't want to buy it... there's a way to describe that, but it's just not coming to mind...

you are dumb and assume dumb things.

Ah!  That's it!
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 02:06:50 PM »

I'm buying the hell out of this game. Even though I have the freeware versions on PC and PSP. I might even buy gifts of it for my some of my most broke friends.

Most people don't know about this game. More people know about Wiiware than know about Cave Story. Anything that means more people know about Cave Story and have an opportunity to play it is good in my book.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 02:08:50 PM »

I dunno if Thad cares, but I'll buy this one for him too.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 02:10:29 PM »

If I had a Wii, I would.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 02:11:56 PM »

I'd buy the fuck out of it if I had a Wii, and it might also have become the #1 reason for why I would want a Wii.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 03:02:50 PM »

I'm buying the fuck out of Cave Story. Did they have any strong reason to port this game with negligible enhancements to the another system? Only the same reason they have to port games at all; get the game into more people's hands. I guarantee that WiiWare will give more people the opportunity to play this game than nerdy internet word of mouth did, and that's saying something.

The fact that Pixel will be getting a cut of the Spacebux is more than enough reason to moonspend them. And if the attention this thing gets prompts Pixel to make another game of comparable quality? Rad.

tl;dr what Bongo said.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 03:13:52 PM »

go find me a translated copy of the game where the download link is not IRUWIPUTERIPAFDSPJBGJSLHVLCYGJYLRUTLIASU and i'll play it ok

Meanwhile, on the first page of a google search on Geo's computer.

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Yeah, well I slept with your wife!

No, I knew the original music and graphics were included in the game as an option, Brent.

all the charm of the original playing experience completely missing

Yeah, I was refering to the charm of the original experience. I realize that to someone who still hasn't played this or even heard of it before may still get the same thing from the game that I did back whenever I first played this the first time, but it just felt to me like they really wouldn't when I wrote that. So whatever I conceed tha thet feeling I had and statement I then made weren`t really based on anything concrete. I was just being a big indie game fag.

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I also knew that Pixel was involved. I don't know why you would think I thought otherwise.

It would have been a huge success and Pixel would have made all the money he deserves for his hard work.

I don't see your point. I was saying that if they had gotten him to work on a new game for them, he would have gotten a bunch of money when it was successful. I was NOT saying that he wasn't making money off of this venture as well. You just read it that way because you thought I didn't know he was involved.

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I beef is... what I said my beef was.

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Oops, I typoed. I guess you die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.

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add nothing, with negligible extras,

 :scanners:

This right here is really the only reason I replied to this rather than just dropping the whole thing and accepting that I stated a sort of dumb opinion on this and that you guys landed on me like a sumo wrestler because you're a bunch of nerds and that's what you do.

What the hell, Brent. Way to quote me completely out of context to make me look like I contradict myself.

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Why are they releasing this with new graphics and music that suck and add nothing, with negligible extras, when the game is already available for free to anyone with a PC.

Oh that's strange, it looks like I said the game has NEW GRAPHICS AND MUSIC that add nothing AND ON TOP OF THAT, IT ALSO HAS some negligible extras.

Is that clear enough now?

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they will probably make next nothing from this

Okay, show of hands: who here is buying this just on this forum?  And why do I see nothing but comments to the effect of "I'm definitely buying this"?  Hell, I'm seeing comments to the effect of "I'm buying a Wii so I can play this" when I look it up.  And considering the low development cost of the thing, they're pretty much looking at most of their income being profit here.

I don't consider asking the Worst Nostagia-Indie Gamer forums if they want to buy Cave Story to be solid evidence that it will be a hit.

For the record, I was being an asshole and I admit it. Really the only thing I should have had to say to anyone, if I had any sense, was that I personally have no interest in this rerelease and that in my opinion the new graphics and music they've made for it are stupid.

If Pixel and the other guy that seems to be taking the lead on this (I forget his name) want to release this for admittedly very little work on their part, then that's their perogative and it is probably worth a shot. I'm just saying, if it had been me, I just would have made an other game, maybe in the same vein but something new and fresh and then used my notoriety in the indiegame press to try and create a hype train that led to sales. But whatever, releasing Cave Story again before doing that, to suckers who don't know how to get it or to people who didn't play it to death already and would like to play it with a console controller, is a good way to gain notoriety too.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 03:41:56 PM »

Really the only thing I should have had to say to anyone, if I had any sense, was that I personally have no interest in this rerelease and that in my opinion the new graphics and music they've made for it are stupid.

Fair enough.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 03:47:28 PM »

D'aww. That fight was too short. Where's my Lyrai icon?
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 05:00:46 PM »

I'd buy the fuck out of it if I had a Wii, and it might also have become the #1 reason for why I would want a Wii.
Not SECRET OF MOTHERFUCKING MANA?
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