Topic: Fallout 3 (Read 37416 times)

The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji · « **Reply #400 on:** January 06, 2009, 03:02:40 PM »

Six months or something late to the party again, but whatever.

Looks like no matter how nice I try to be, I'm getting into trouble. Instead of going down the deranged sociopath road and siding with Burke, I sick the sheriff on him being the goody two-shoes I am. And... get both him and the sheriff killed.

I'd only known the guy for like, 15 minutes, but I felt like I lost my only friend in the Wastelands.

But hey! At least I've got this awesome Chinese 5.56 rifle! And these swank tortoise shell glasses!

Metal Slime · « **Reply #401 on:** January 06, 2009, 03:20:03 PM »

Quote from: Yoji on January 06, 2009, 03:02:40 PM

Six months or something late to the party again, but whatever.

Looks like no matter how nice I try to be, I'm getting into trouble. Instead of going down the deranged sociopath road and siding with Burke, I sick the sheriff on him being the goody two-shoes I am. And... get both him and the sheriff killed.

I'd only known the guy for like, 15 minutes, but I felt like I lost my only friend in the Wastelands.

But hey! At least I've got this awesome Chinese 5.56 rifle! And these swank tortoise shell glasses!

You know, if you're fast enough you can kill Burke before he pops the sheriff and he'll thank you for saving him. But I guess someone who hates having friends wouldn't know that.

James Edward Smith · « **Reply #402 on:** January 06, 2009, 06:29:28 PM »

That's bullshit, I've killed burke before he even draws his weapon and the sheriff still died. I'm pretty sure it's coded in to just treat him as dead after he talks to Burke.

Burrito Al Pastor · « **Reply #403 on:** January 06, 2009, 06:38:55 PM »

No, but it does seem to be a bit buggy; there is coding for him to die, but it's not instant. I think it might be triggered by Simms going outside, since I killed Burke before he left the building, went outside, and found Simms dead on the ground.

It's also worth nothing that the first time I did it, Burke tried to shoot something on the top of the wall opposite Simms, and when I did kill Burke before he got Simms, Simms made no mention of it, which implies to me that I did it too early. Or something.

Brentai · « **Reply #404 on:** January 06, 2009, 07:05:10 PM »

It took me a few restarts to even get that scene. The first time I talked to Burke I decided to just blow up his head, and upon realizing that you could just asplode a guy who's sitting there in public not doing anything overt and the town would ignore it, I made a point of doing it every time.

François · « **Reply #405 on:** January 06, 2009, 09:09:51 PM »

Once you realize that the NPCs work on the same "faction" system that Oblivion used, a lot of crazy things like that start making a slight amount of sense*. Burke isn't part of the Megaton resident faction, so they wouldn't give a shit if you raped him in broad daylight.

*: Like how Liches, members of the Lich faction, get along well with Undead, but will attack Necromancers, Vampires and other Liches on sight (because they can't stand these factions, including their own). That said, Nether Liches are affiliated with regular Undead rather than the Lich faction for some reason, and therefore you shouldn't count on them being stomped into paste by full Liches in the unlikely case you run into both at the same time. It's kind of... yeah.

PhoenixUltima · « **Reply #406 on:** January 07, 2009, 05:51:31 AM »

I've saved the sheriff before. The trick is to go into vats the second burke pulls his gun. He fires like a split second later, so you have to be quick. The sheriff will thank you for saving his ass if you pull it off.

Catloaf · « **Reply #407 on:** January 07, 2009, 06:14:32 AM »

The thing is it's kinda hard to kill the guy entirely in vats at that point in the game.

Brentai · « **Reply #408 on:** January 07, 2009, 09:05:29 AM »

Erm, that's gotta be your character setup then. I've never not killed him with a single VATS. Unless you're melee and VATS is useless.

It's not like your character ever gets any more stronger than "more perks and some better equipment" anyway.

Metal Slime · « **Reply #409 on:** January 07, 2009, 11:02:21 AM »

I just clubbed Burke to death with a bat before he even pulled the gun and still got thanked. No one in Megaton cares if you whoop his ass.

Burrito Al Pastor · « **Reply #410 on:** January 07, 2009, 11:15:40 AM »

Quote from: Brentai on January 07, 2009, 09:05:29 AM

Erm, that's gotta be your character setup then. I've never not killed him with a single VATS. Unless you're melee and VATS is useless.

It's not like your character ever gets any more stronger than "more perks and some better equipment" anyway.

At the kind of range Burke is at, VATS accuracy doesn't help much, but weapon damage scales based on your skill with that weapon type. (Averaged over the full 0-100 skill spectrum, increasing your Small Guns by 5 points increases your damage by about three and a half percent.) So if you turn him in on your first trip to Megaton right out of the vault and take a few potshots at his head with your 10mm and a Small Guns skill of 35, you aren't going to do a tenth as much damage as you will with a Small Guns of 80 and a Chinese Assault Rifle.

Also, you're invulnerable while taking your VATS firing action, but Simms doesn't share that invulnerability, so depending on how quick you were, Burke might have time between your second and third shot to nail Simms. (Of course, shooting him might disrupt that script.)

Norondor · « **Reply #411 on:** January 07, 2009, 05:21:53 PM »

On my Kenshiro playthrough i VATS-punched him, but he did not die as i had no unarmed weapon and was just tomato-fisting him at level two, but after my first blow he turned on me instead of Simms, so that worked out (besides me having to use a stimpak because he shot me :()

stump sock · « **Reply #412 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:24:47 AM »

Yeah after I found out about the Burke thing I saved the sheriff first try.

Like I said earlier though, the humor of his sadsack orphan son is almost worth letting him die.

Brentai · « **Reply #413 on:** January 08, 2009, 11:53:19 AM »

So I've been thinking about the ending. Again.

[spoiler]It seems to me that the whole "It's either you or Sarah" thing was thrown in at the last minute. If you pay attention throughout the game, it looks like they're building up to Sarah being the one to get blown up. I mean, think about some of the things she and her friends say (from memory but)...

"She died well. In the end, that's all that matters."
"We're all willing to give up our lives for the people of this wasteland, if it comes to that."
"We in the Brotherhood believe that how one dies is just as important as how one lives."

So yeah, Sarah Lyons is totally fatalistic and at that point should be jumping happily into the reactor saying, "Hells yeah! Gimme that code! This one's for you, Morf! AH-CHOOOOO!!!!!"

EDIT: Well huh. While I was Googling around, I actually found a confirmation of this, straight from the horse's mouth.

(quote from rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6130) (quotes and spoiler tags don't like each other, sorry) (and neither do spoiler tags and proper URLS!)
We'd only ever planned for you sending Sarah Lyons into the purifier, because we knew, from a story standpoint, that she'd definitely be in there with you.
(/quote)

And I guess at the last minute they decided, "Hey, just to add some drama, let's completely change Sarah's personality so that she suddenly places her own life above yours (despite you being both a 19-year-old innocent Vault kid and single-handedly accomplishing more in the fight against the Super Mutants in a few months than the Brotherhood has ever) and make it so that the narrator chews you out at the end if you decide to preserve your own life like you've being doing throughout the entire game."

This is why moral dilemmas and interactive mediums don't work, people. It seems like the perfect use for the format, but inevitably you're going to corner people into a false choice at best and a stupid false choice at worst.[/spoiler]

François · « **Reply #414 on:** January 08, 2009, 12:26:06 PM »

[spoiler]I sent Sarah in my place because you don't fight damn Super Mutants every damn hour of every damn day if you're not ready to put your damn life down for the damn cause. I was a frikkin' civilian; they made me an honorary BoS member but frankly I was almost shanghaied into it.

Also I didn't wanna die, so there's that. You give me an out, don't be mad at me when I take it.

Plus it's kind of retarded, I had well over 100% rad resistance with my advanced suit and pills, and I all but swam in radioactive waste disposal sites; I don't know what else that room could have done to me, but I knew the game wouldn't have cared. I just pretend we both lived.[/spoiler]

The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji · « **Reply #415 on:** January 08, 2009, 01:00:55 PM »

I'm not sure about other Raiders, but the ones at Springdale Elementary should learn what a shotgun is and how dangerous they are in close quarters combat.

: Fuck yeah! We're gonna have fun with thi-

Metal Slime · « **Reply #416 on:** January 08, 2009, 01:37:51 PM »

Quote from: Yoji on January 08, 2009, 01:00:55 PM

I'm not sure about other Raiders, but the ones at Springdale Elementary should learn what a shotgun is and how dangerous they are in close quarters combat.

: Fuck yeah! We're gonna have fun with thi-

BTW sometimes they may have missile launchers.

Burrito Al Pastor · « **Reply #417 on:** January 08, 2009, 08:49:06 PM »

Holy fuck deathclaws.

We don't go to Old Olney anymore.

Bal · « **Reply #418 on:** January 09, 2009, 05:58:11 AM »

Aim for the legs.

Norondor · « **Reply #419 on:** January 09, 2009, 05:59:45 AM »

Get a dart gun.

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