Topic: GOP Will Eat Itself (Read 64285 times)

Shinra · « **Reply #560 on:** December 23, 2012, 05:47:28 PM »

GOP: Obama wants to go over the cliff

You know what?

Military spending slashed, revenues back up to pre-bush levels, a field ripe for entitlement increases in 2 years when the republicans getting the blame for the cliff all get voted out of office?

Sure. If I believed for a second that the Democratic party was this smart, or didn't know that Obama was basically offering them social security and capital gains slashes on a silver platter and having it thrown back in his face. But if this is the way we're going, sure.

Disposable Ninja · « **Reply #561 on:** January 02, 2013, 04:26:50 PM »

Hey, remember the Violence Against Women Act?

I mean, back when it existed?

Bal · « **Reply #562 on:** January 02, 2013, 08:30:02 PM »

If you didn't read the article, it didn't even make the floor. The House leadership just shut it down without a vote. They did the same thing about a day earlier with Sandy relief funds for NY and NJ. Governor Christie was not best pleased:

Governor Christie: Natural Disasters Don't Happen In Red States Or Blue States

Thad · « **Reply #563 on:** January 03, 2013, 10:50:48 PM »

Decided to move the conversation over here.

I feel it's worth reiterating at this point: I no longer believe the Tea Partiers even think that losing elections means they just weren't far enough right -- I believe that they legitimately do not give a fuck about getting reelected and they just want to wreck up the place as best they can while they have a chance.

I have to admit there's a part of me that wishes the Democrats had a major faction that cared so damn little about electoral consequences for themselves or their party.

On a simple, raw humanity note: I've been to Jersey City. I liked it. Downtown seemed maybe a bit sleepy and run-down -- but it was all local business. It had character. The family friend I was staying with took me out for Cuban food, and to a science-fiction double feature of Tron and

at a recently-restored 1920's movie theater. (I think it was the Loew's.)

Not that New Jersey deserves disaster relief any more or any less than any other place in such straits. Not like my personal fuzzy memories of the place have any bearing on this tragedy. But damn it I'm just heartsick thinking about the places I went and thinking of destroyed homes and businesses and displaced families.

Nothing but disgust for anyone who would deny relief to the victims. Just as surely as I've nothing but disgust for anyone who would deny protection for victims of domestic violence. It's not a matter of politics. It's not about liberal or conservative. It's about being able to look your goddamn reflection in the eye.

Bal · « **Reply #564 on:** January 04, 2013, 02:09:55 AM »

If the GOP had any sense, they'd be grooming Christie for 2016. Of course, that's impossible now, because you can't be critical of your own party without being a secret muslim anymore.

Doom · « **Reply #565 on:** January 04, 2013, 07:48:48 AM »

4 years is an eternity in politics and if Christie runs for the biggest office in the land after Romney's incredible failure he can make damn near anything that happens outside of the GOP norm into a strength.

Chris Christie: Not Beholden To Billionaires, But To The People!

Chris Christie: An Honest Politician!?

Chris Christie: Telling It Like It Is!

Chris Christie: AGAINST Blocking Relief To Disaster Victims!

Between the possibility of a GOP civil war, the desperate need to rebrand and the proven failures of everything in 2012, all dude really needs to do is get a personal trainer to deal with the most superficial image problems. Romney proved that a hollow corporate suit propped up by money and no positions can't become President(yet.) He can still get 47% of the vote.

Thad · « **Reply #566 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:47:48 AM »

Christie getting the nomination would require GOP primary voters to decide that civil unions and amnesty aren't deal-breakers.

I think that's going to happen someday, and I won't rule out the possibility of it happening in four years. But I must admit I'm skeptical.

Doom · « **Reply #567 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:22:59 AM »

Romney sort of got a pass on the first. DOMA should go before the Supreme Court this year, not that either result will stop bigots from being bigots. However, the GOP will probably have to budge on Amnesty. Not that I'd complain if they wanted to keep forfeiting entire voter blocks!

Thad · « **Reply #568 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:42:29 AM »

Romney got a pass partly on the virtue of backing away from all his previous policy positions. Christie is a politician, and he might be the kind of guy to do that, but I don't think so.

And of course the other thing was that Romney was the least offensive of a crop of really terrible candidates, and subject to a primary season where the base spent six months desperately searching for some candidate, ANY candidate, who would be a better choice.

Now, that could potentially happen with Christie. But recent history tells us that even 9/11 didn't make Republican primary voters forget Rudy Giuliani's less-than-perfect alignment with party doctrine.

Granted, it's getting to where public opinion can shift a surprising amount in just a few years -- gay rights is one example, acceptance of marijuana is another -- but the Republican Party isn't the most nimble apparatus for dealing with those changes. I expect the leadership is in meltdown mode about now, wishing the Tea Partiers would play ball -- but the Tea Partiers got elected, and in many cases reelected, and as I said I think they're more than willing to go down with the ship over their stupid, evil principles.

Mongrel · « **Reply #569 on:** January 29, 2013, 02:41:21 PM »

I'm sure we were all wondering what the Republicans are telling themselves in this time of crisis

Brentai · « **Reply #570 on:** February 04, 2013, 01:37:06 PM »

Rove declares war on the Tea Party.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/02/04/karl-roves-new-conservative-victory-project-earns-conservative-ire/

I think we can officially say the autophagia has begun. Pull up a chair.

Mongrel · « **Reply #571 on:** February 04, 2013, 02:06:33 PM »

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. This is indeed awesome.

Classic · « **Reply #572 on:** February 04, 2013, 02:13:25 PM »

Unless we quit a 2 party system this is just going to wind up making democrats more conservative though?

NexAdruin · « **Reply #573 on:** February 04, 2013, 02:30:33 PM »

I don't understand how this will make democrats more conservative. Conservatives are eating each other because they can't elect anyone. To whom does this send a message, "let's get conservative?"

Classic · « **Reply #574 on:** February 04, 2013, 02:39:22 PM »

Basically, it's the idea that elections are already a "Price is Right" game. i.e., a game where the winning strategy is to be generally close to your opponent's overall position. Coupled with the fact that the Republican establishment isn't going to be dis-established. They're either going to be absorbed into the Democrats, or Democrats will start catering to the loonies for votes on critical issues.

Basically, no matter what, these loonies having their loony voice shouting out rationality is going to sway politics more toward the loony even if no one (except the loonies) actually wants that.

...
Maybe I'm just feeling extra mopey and cynical today.
Maybe I need a Mars Confection-Like Product.

Brentai · « **Reply #575 on:** February 04, 2013, 03:46:11 PM »

I think what you're trying to say is that the corporate enslavement Kzer-Za subrace of the GOP will quickly tire of their doctrinal war with their fanatically destructive Kohr-Ah brethren, and start forming limited partnerships with the more unsavory, corporate-friendly members of the Alliance like the Druugen RIAA and keep moving their influence up until the entire Alliance is suddenly all corrupt plutocrats communicating entirely via armed drones.

...eight years and I'm still making GOP=Ur-Quan comparisons, and it still fucking works.

Thad · « **Reply #576 on:** February 04, 2013, 07:09:21 PM »

Rove's as cynical and opportunistic as they come; his weakness, as with most of the Bush Administration, is a tendency to eat his own dog food and refuse to grant any credence to facts that contradict his bought-and-paid-for research ("permanent Republican majority", "I'm entitled to THE math", his frantic hand-clapping attempts to resuscitate the Romney campaign last Election Day). He never gave a fuck about the fundamentalists except insofar as he could manipulate them into voting Republican. He was bound to cut them loose as soon as they became a liability; it just took him awhile to notice.

Curious if the Kochs and Adelson have reached the same conclusion. They don't give a goddamn about social conservatism either (Adelson's a casino magnate, for God's sake), they just want people in office who'll vote against increasing their taxes and regulations.

The Tea Party's a pretty good example of a movement that was, briefly, actual grassroots, which was almost immediately coopted by Republican Establishment money, and then became a mouthpiece for the Christian Right.

I'm just going to link the Clown cartoon again.

Anyhow, would be nice to see Rove, Adelson, and the Kochs investing heaps of money trying to fight each other. But you know once the primary's over they're all going to be on the same side regardless.

Büge · « **Reply #577 on:** March 16, 2013, 07:32:00 AM »

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/tea-party-event-on-racial-tolerance-turns-to-chaos-as-white-supremacists-arrive.php

Smiler · « **Reply #578 on:** March 16, 2013, 08:43:23 AM »

CPAC slavery

Watch this and be amazed.

TA · « **Reply #579 on:** March 16, 2013, 10:12:58 AM »

Quote from: Büge on March 16, 2013, 07:32:00 AM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/tea-party-event-on-racial-tolerance-turns-to-chaos-as-white-supremacists-arrive.php

Teabagger event on racial tolerance unfolds predictable, as Teabaggers attend.

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