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[Classic]

At home he would salve, if not close, the ugly racial wound left by America’s history and lessen the tendency of American blacks to blame all their problems on racism.

Yes, The Economist. Because that is exactly what those filthy blacks do.

[A²]

At home he would salve, if not close, the ugly racial wound left by America’s history and lessen the tendency of American blacks to blame all their problems on racism.

Yes, The Economist. Because that is exactly what those filthy blacks do.

I've seen more black people who claim that the reason they can't get ahead in life is racism (It's not, they're just lazy know-nothing fuckheads) than those who actually make an effort.

[Brentai]

Yes, well, I also hear he might lessen the tendency of white people to become serial killers.

[Fredward]

I've seen more black people who claim that the reason they can't get ahead in life is racism (It's not, they're just lazy know-nothing fuckheads) than those who actually make an effort.

But they're lazy know-nothing fuckheads because of racism. That'd be called stereotype internalization.

[Classic]

I dunno. I will say, that while I haven't met more white lazy know-nothing fuckheads complaining that they didn't get a job due to reverse-racism than I have those who actually make an effort, but I suspect this is also because I've met more lazy know-nothing fuckheads with jobs.

[Kazz]

I can't claim to know anything about racism, because I know very few black people and can identify very few racists.  (Everyone around me could be racist, but lacking the requisite races, I'd have no idea.)

The only thing I can say is that the concept of "affirmative action" ticks me off.  Filling a company's black-people quota seems like a superficial patch on a serious economic problem.  People from poor neighborhoods have trouble getting into school and going on to good jobs, which keeps the neighborhood poor and renews the cycle of poverty.  It's easy to feel helpless in that situation, and it isn't unfair for people there to blame their problems on racism, when all they see is successful whites and unsuccessful blacks.  I don't think actual racial prejudice enters the equation very much (notably excepting the actions of cops, thank you Spike Lee, you can put your hand down).  It doesn't have to.  Poverty is colorblind.

It doesn't help that many rap stars are immature kids with diamond-encrusted pistols shouting "nigga shit nigga fuck nigga kill nigga die."  oh shit i'm racist.

[Classic]

"Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes"

...
Where did that come from?



I try my best to just be hilariously racist.

[TA]

In its defense, affirmative action has absolutely nothing to do with quotas.  It's kind of a nebulous concept, but there's a litany of Supreme Court cases finding anything having to do with quotas, or a scoring system for applicants, or anything else that quantifiable to be unconstitutional on Equal Protection grounds.

And while poverty might be colorblind, there's an undeniable correlation between race and class.

[Kazz]

And while poverty might be colorblind, there's an undeniable correlation between race and class.

Yeah.  And affirmative action won't fix it the way that curing the economic crises that cause said poverty would.  Not saying that'd be easy, but spending billions in Iraq isn't helping.

[Brentai]

I don't think there's a single sane person out there who thinks affirmative action is any sort of actual solution.  As a relief measure, though, it gives people in that unfortunate situation half a chance to succeed while society slowly un-fucks itself, and as grating as it is to us innocent whiteys you have to kind of tone down the hate when you realize it's that or shrugging and saying, "Oh, too bad about them poor spic niggers, but hey that's social darwinism for you."

Besides, in every valid case where a less qualified minority nudges a honky out of a job spot, I'll bet you that at least one other spot's being taken by a completely unqualified white guy.

We have now ventured into the wrong topic, and probably one that few of us are qualified to discuss.  Discuss.

[Kazz]

Well, I don't think I'm unqualified to say that tuitions are prohibitively expensive, even for those of us who aren't struggling.

btw, split

[Mongrel]

In spite of my rather diverse heritage, I am one of the whitest guys I know.

I look like the sterotype of a really white jew (causes no end of hilarious confusion in strangers), I can't jump, have an actual negative rythm quotient*, and actually like Bing Crosby songs. Persians are also the whitest major middle eastern ethnic group. In fact, given the nominal Swedish blood in me (my last name is Swedish anyway), I have a running gag about how I am technically Aryan no matter which definition you use**.

But one of my all-time favourite comedy moments was the time a long-ago girlfriend's parents called me a 'dirty running sand-nigger' when they thought I couldn't hear them.

Represent!

 

<sub>*If I dance with a partner, I can't lead, so I give up control... and even then my lack of rythm is so appalling I still kill the whole thing. When left to my own devices, I am the living stereotype of the funky-robot-chicken-whitebread dance.

**I am also a failed artist with a loud voice.</sub> 

[Classic]

To some people, if you can be in the sun and not burn you're not white.

[Kashan]

The only real problem I see with affirmative action is that's it's just too controversial to be worth it. In practice the only place somebody will really get screwed by it is if they would have made it into the school at the very lost spot available.

[Büge]

Isn't affirmative action racism anyway? You're choosing somebody to work at your company because they're a person of a certain colour.

Until I took an anthropology class, I never realized the subtle undercurrents racism had on the real estate market. It's like weather currents or something. White people move into a nonwhite neighborhood and eventually the gentrification reaches a critical point where the prices become too high for the poor nonwhite folk to live, and they have to relocate to another poor neighborhood.

Apparently the cycle began in the 50's when suburbs were the new thing, and nice white folk didn't want to rub elbows with dirty black people, but still be able to work in the city. As more and more suburbs were built, the prices went down, allowing black people into the neighborhoods, and thus white people left, causing the property prices to plummet and stuff. Repeat until dead.

I look like an Israeli Clark Kent

Seriously man, lose the glasses. Menachem Begin died years ago. The look is dead.

[Shinra]

Isn't affirmative action racism anyway? You're choosing somebody to work at your company because they're a person of a certain colour.

Until I took an anthropology class, I never realized the subtle undercurrents racism had on the real estate market. It's like weather currents or something. White people move into a nonwhite neighborhood and eventually the gentrification reaches a critical point where the prices become too high for the poor nonwhite folk to live, and they have to relocate to another poor neighborhood.

Apparently the cycle began in the 50's when suburbs were the new thing, and nice white folk didn't want to rub elbows with dirty black people, but still be able to work in the city. As more and more suburbs were built, the prices went down, allowing black people into the neighborhoods, and thus white people left, causing the property prices to plummet and stuff. Repeat until dead.

I look like an Israeli Clark Kent

Seriously man, lose the glasses. Menachem Begin died years ago. The look is dead.

Affirmative action is very racist. And, ironically, in some parts of the country it's not helping the people it was intended to help get jobs anyway. Which, as I understand it, is the reason it was overwhelmingly voted against in detroit a couple of years ago.

[TA]

Affirmative action is racist in as much as it's attempting to counteract societal racism and privilege.  So I guess if leveling a playing field so whites have less of their pre-existing advantage is racism, then yeah.

[James Edward Smith]

I've told Mongrel to get new glasses before, but he told me he's too attached to the amount of peripheral vision they provide. I can't really argue with that other than to say I'm pretty sure he could find an other pair of huge glasses with better looking frames but I admit it probably won't be easy. I guess he's cursed to always look like Richard Dreyfus in Jaws, if Jaws had the bizare power to make people's glasses huge.

I love his loud voice though, because he honestly can't control it, at all. I have a loud voice myself, but I seem to have a lot more control over it. Regardless though, I am always sympathetic to other people with loud voices. You do annoy my dad sometimes though, Matt. Though, that's not some great feat, this is the same guy who is forced to change the channel whenever half the commercials that play during primetime here air because they bother him too much.

Also, my Dad has a really loud voice too, so he doesn't have much ground to stand on there.

[JDigital]

Affirmative action's kinda dumb, but you won't hear minorities complaining about it.

We have a similar situation here (Northern Ireland) where they accept a disproportionate number of Catholic recruits into the predominantly Protestant police force. In this case it's for the people rather than the employees, as it's important for public order that everyone trusts the police to be fair and balanced.

[Shinra]

Affirmative action is racist in as much as it's attempting to counteract societal racism and privilege.  So I guess if leveling a playing field so whites have less of their pre-existing advantage is racism, then yeah.

Except A: in many parts of the country that advantage is purely imagined, and B: in some cities in the united states, such as, say, Detroit and Flint, whites make up the minority, and actually get favored by affirmative action. This isn't the 60s anymore. And besides, what does it tell minorities if we have to have a law to insure equality? If anything, it encourages the racial divide, and the mistaken assumption that everyone with white skin is out to get the black man.