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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2008, 08:40:50 PM »

Heh, I just got steamrolled on Versus. The other guys obviously had it going on, and comms on my team were basically nonexistent for some reason, unfortunately. Plus it turns out I'm a terrible infected, though that was my first time.

That said, I did learn that the barn at the end of Blood Harvest seems ridiculously easy to defend, at least compared to the farm house. You can only get in through the ladder or the hole in the roof, and there's an ammo pile. The only way we ever got someone out of there was with a lucky smoker grab; even the tanks couldn't crack the place. There's probably something I'm missing...
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #101 on: November 20, 2008, 06:24:38 PM »

There might not always be an ammo pile up there.  The AI Director is funky with that stuff.

Does anybody prefer the tier 1 shotgun?  The autoshotgun is awesome, but the first one is really not as good as the uzi.  The uzi has better range, better fire rate (obviously), a nice big clip, and is easier to reload and continue firing.  I don't even think the pump shotgun has a vast damage improvement over the uzi, at least for normal zombies.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2008, 06:32:41 PM »

It does however have spread.  I've taken out groups of zombies in one shot with the shotgun, and it one hit kills everything if you're smart enough to aim above the wasteline, sunshine.

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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2008, 06:55:32 PM »

Pump shotgun over Uzi, Assault rifle over Auto shotty for me. Sure, the auto shotty is superior when you're getting clawed from every side, but I prefer not to let myself be put in that situation. And you can totally squeeze off single shots and pop some heads from medium distance, as well with the obvious benefits of a spray of bullets. But if two other people take the rifle, I take the auto-shotty. It's good to have variety.

As for the first tier... Shotgun, totally. I'd rather kill three zombies with a single shell than 3/4 of a clip of the Uzi in the same situation. I always run out of ammo with the Uzi, and the pump shotgun is totally more effective.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2008, 07:26:36 PM »

I'm a bit confused from what I've heard.  Is there some crazy mode where the Director is a player, or is it always AI?
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2008, 08:01:13 PM »

The Director is always AI, but in Versus mode, you decide where you spawn.  The Director guides us and loves us.  The Director giveth and the Director taketh away.  All Hail the Director.

Anyway, the pump shotgun kills zombies in one hit at close range.  You know, in the Danger Zone.  The Uzi has a decent chance to kill them in under three bullets at medium range.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2008, 08:13:12 PM »

I like the tier 1 shotgun because I got my pistol for mid-to-long range. The uzi is okay but I often run out of ammo for it, plus it's terrible at long range; I usually only get it if no one else does.

And as far as I'm concerned the only tier 2 weapon is the hunting rifle. The autoshotgun and the assault rifle are in a strange, alien "tier 1.5". (Though they usually are better in finales.)
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2008, 08:25:19 PM »

One major hint that most people don't seem to know is that if a hunter leaps at you before you can grease him and he's for sure going to hit you, it's a better idea to try and melee him just before he makes contact than to try and blast him. Even the shotguns have a big chance to not kill him with one shot while he's leaping and they don't stop the leap, so he'll still incapacitate you. Where as, if you land a melee swat on him as he closes, you'll cancel the leap and leave him stumbling around as confused dogmeat for a few seconds and can easily pop him with more than enough shots from anything to kill him.

If he's actually an other player, feel free to finish him off with more melee hits for extra showboating purposes.

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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2008, 08:37:09 PM »

Zed has an awesome accent  :wuv:
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2008, 08:47:32 PM »

That's... good to hear!  ::D:

In my head I speak perfect, unaccented English, but when it comes out my mouth, I'm like, what the hell is that? At least I seem to be understandable, which is somewhat surprising to me because I basically never get to speak any English to anyone, ever.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2008, 09:50:43 PM »

Perfectly understandable, and perfectly adorable.

The reason I dislike the tier 1 shotgun is that I don't like having to take a second between shots.  Often, you don't have that kind of time on your hands.  I need something faster than the pistol if I'm going to get horded.

The tier 1 shotgun is probably a bit better for the bosses, but I refuse to believe it's better for the tank.  You need to be close to your target to get the shotgun's full potential, and being close to the tank is Inadvisable.  Plus, the shots are infrequent and the reload time is enormous.  Spraying it with a constant stream of uzi bullets makes more sense to me.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2008, 09:54:14 PM »

In defiance of the logic learned during my thousands of plays of Zombie Quest 4: Leon's Big Adventure, the shotgun is not for mobs of zombies, but rather for big ones. The pump shotgun is good enough to kill hunters and smokers at medium/close range before they can do real damage and, more to the point, the auto shotgun actually does appreciable damage to the tank, unlike the assault rifle, which takes way, way, way too long. At the end-of-level "tankbuster" rankings it's always the ones with the auto shotgun who have over 2k damage done.

That said, i really like the sniper rifle. It's probably the worst weapon for late-game hordes and i never take it in the finale -- though if you get a long hallway where the horde's coming straight at you, the amazing damage and material penetration of the rifle can let you take out 5-6 enemies in one shot -- but it is a fantastic solution to groups of distant enemies, allows assault rifle-wielders to save their ammo on generic zombies in parking lots and such, and lets you deal with smokers, hunters (assuming you can see them before they pounce) and, most importantly, poorly-placed witches. Without a sniper rifle, a witch in front of the safehouse door is some serious shit, and someone basically will have to draw the short straw and just get stomped; WITH a sniper rifle in the group, witches don't usually get to do any damage at all.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2008, 09:59:48 PM »

So what's the best tier 2 mix?

I'd say two ARs, an autoshotgun, and a sniper, and then when you get to the finale, switch the sniper for another shotty.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2008, 10:14:39 PM »

Yeah, that's probably the best. Snipers are almost completely redundant with one another; there's not much two snipers can do that one really good sniper can't.

In the finale, one of the shotgun guys needs to man the minigun (if minigun there is), because he only has to let go of the artillery when he's got to literally knock zombies off his back.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2008, 10:21:30 PM »

One thing I was curious about. Anyone get the achievement for 1 shotting a witch yet? I came up from a good distance with the sniper rifle and got a nice clean headshot while she was crying, but she only got up and charged and then died.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2008, 10:27:13 PM »

You need to finish her with a headshot, not necessarily 1-shot her. I got it earlier today; I ran up right next to one, lined up my crosshairs while she was getting up to stare at me, and shot her twice in the head with... I think it was the autoshotgun. Might have been the hunter rifle, I can't remember. Either one should do it, though it might take a few tries.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2008, 10:49:14 PM »

In the finale, one of the shotgun guys needs to man the minigun (if minigun there is), because he only has to let go of the artillery when he's got to literally knock zombies off his back.

I actually think an AR guy should use the minigun, because the shotguns are better at knocking away groups from him.

The minigun is overrated, in my opinion.  Especially at the end of No Mercy; very few zombies come from the helipad.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2008, 11:11:46 PM »

AR Is The Better Anti-Horde Weapon

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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #118 on: November 20, 2008, 11:15:23 PM »

Frankly, I think the hunting rifle is the best anti-zombie weapon!  When you used it and when ZedPower used it, each of you racked up 50% more zombie kills than the next guy on the list.
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Re: Left 4 Dead
« Reply #119 on: November 20, 2008, 11:18:40 PM »

Pure luck. I was on the minigun one time and took out two gas cans at the church, and at the church i swapped the rifle for the AR!
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