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[King Klown]

Take Doom to Blood Harvest on Expert if I don't do it first. 

[Kazz]

Take Doom to the woods and shoot him. 

[King Klown]

Take Doom to the cornfield and use him as bait.  

[Kazz]

As zombie attractors go, the only difference between people and pipe-bombs is the source of the blood explosion.

[Kazz]

So I hear this story that Bal and Sieg rage-quit a Versus game because of closet-hiding on Map 4 of No Mercy, during the elevator sequence?

Everybody hides in that closet.  It's the best way past that elevator rush.  The special infected really just have to wait it out.  Yes, it's stupid, but it's part of the game.  Valve may fix it, but who knows.  And seriously, they go straight from there up to an extremely vulnerable area, in that scaffoldy bit toward the end.  You can't even claim it's unfair, because both teams can do it when they're survivors.

I'm disappointed that you guys aren't into Versus.  It is the most fun I've ever had in a videogame.  I hope you'll stop QQing and then we will play together.

[King Klown]

The transition from that closet to the elevator is pretty perilous too. I've seen that hiding a boomer inside the elevator and using the new swarming mass that he'll create to block the entrance is great. The hunters can then face fuck two survivors in addition to a smoker pulling a straggler in the back.




Oh yeah, add me to Steam anyone is interested in playing. Wiseman is the tag name.

[Niku]

I'm disappointed that you guys aren't into Versus.  It is the most fun I've ever had in a videogame.  I hope you'll stop QQing and then we will play together.

Who the fuck isn't into Versus?

If I didn't play WoW so much I would probably be playing Versus all the goddamn time.  I don't even know what the other two campaigns are like I love Versus so much.

[Kazz]

Some people get very frustrated in competitive environments.

[Doom]

I'm just using Campaign to learn.

Only thing I hated about initial forays into Vs was getting Hunter eight times in a row.

[Bal]

I love versus, but when you get the tank, and they just hide under the stairs from him, totally invulnerable, well fuck that, and them.

[MadMAxJr]

As a tank, always punch things that have tires.  They usually move.  No Mercy, stage one, apparently you can punch the car so that it blocks the alley, permanantly.

[Kazz]

A lot of people complain that the Hunter is useless.  While it's true that the Hunter isn't capable of much on his own, he is a really intended as a distraction and a deterrent.  The mere existence of the Hunter is enough to keep people from going off on their own.

[Catloaf]

Versus is the best mode.  But it was even better when you could have have the difficulty setting on EXTREME!!! so no one ever got to the safe points and you could easily see the difference in success in how far each team got before they died horribly.

[yyler]

I like versus a lot, but as far as I can tell the best strategy for the survivors is RUN REALLY FAST THROUGH EVERYTHING and unfortunately I am never on a team where everyone knows that. Against good Infected, you just can't sit around and wait for them to attack you. You have to sprint.

[Kazz]

I disagree.  Every team I've ever seen that has tried to run through the level has gotten their shit kicked in when they round a corner, get boomed on, hunters pop out, smoker isolates one, etc.

As long as everybody stays close the whole time, the specials are no threat at all.  People should be patient.

[Catloaf]

I like versus a lot, but as far as I can tell the best strategy for the survivors is RUN REALLY FAST THROUGH EVERYTHING and unfortunately I am never on a team where everyone knows that. Against good Infected, you just can't sit around and wait for them to attack you. You have to sprint.

Yep, Run like hell and stick together.  If one person is a slow idiot, either they're or you're fucked and suddenly I'm forced todouble back, pick you up, and get killed while you alone barely make it solely because you hoarded all the goddamn healing items and never helped the team you GODDAMN USELESS FUCKWAD!

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The problem with being slow and deliberate in my experience, it that the special zombies realize that you're doing this and all ambush you at once at a strategic point--wiping you all out in one fell swoop.  This is even more hilarious/frustrating when a Tank is involved

[Norondor]

I just plain hate versus. If you ever see me playing versus it's Meadowtron.

[King Klown]

There's a reason there are two hunter slots and only a single slot for Smoker/Boomer. But double pouncing two players with double hunters is fantastic fun.

[Saturn]

it doesn't help that the smoker is fucking useless right now.
also MELEE SPAM

I loved expert versus, the survivors would almost never make it so the game became some sort of zombie football thing.

[James Edward Smith]

I love versus, but when you get the tank, and they just hide under the stairs from him, totally invulnerable, well fuck that, and them.

I dunno why Bal and Seig got so pissed about that.

Bal, the thing about hiding under the stairs is that to do it, you have to hide under the stairs and the thing about hiding under the stairs is that you are under the stairs and not getting any closer to the safe room.

Yeah, the tank can't get you (which I'm not actually sure of because I think you can still throw rocks down there that will hit) but so what, you can still just stand at the top of the stairs with the survivors in sight, not losing any tank control since you can still see the survivors and not losing any health since they can't shoot you through the stairs.

If I'm wrong and they can shoot up through the stairs and hit you, then you can be damned sure that tank rocks will go clean through the same holes since they have a tendancy to not really clip on anything but straight up walls. You just have to be patient and smart enough to not run into the opposing team's out-stretched fist.

Of course all of this doesn't even mention the very valid point that Kazz brought up that both teams play the same level with the same tank spawn points, so both teams can do the same thing thus really removing any unfair aspect from the equation.

Malvado put it well when he told me, "It's really no different than finding a really good spot for a turret in TF2. It doesn't single handedly win you the game unless the other team is too impatient to think about how to logically counter it. It's like when TF2 first came out, people just ran around like idiots but after some time had gone by, people refined their playing styles."

I can't say I've yet to defeat it, but I think even the closet scam is counterable if you can just get coordinated with your fellow infected the same way you have to when you're the ones with the guns. There's enough waves of hordes that you can get a boomer, smoker, and two hunters up at the same time and really try to blind and separate the bastards in a consolidated manner that might get the job done if you can pull it off.

But then as mentioned before, they gotta come out of the closet some time. Even George Takei did finally and he was really in there.