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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #200 on: June 19, 2009, 03:43:48 PM »

It wouldn't be a Pixar movie without senseless murder.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #201 on: June 19, 2009, 03:47:28 PM »

It wasn't murder.

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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #202 on: June 19, 2009, 05:00:10 PM »

He was still holding onto a few balloons.  I don't think he died at all.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #203 on: June 19, 2009, 10:54:13 PM »

I don't think a few balloons are going to save his brittle ass.

Then again an old man and a little boy dragged an old wood house around on a bunch of balloons, so what the fuck to I know?  :shrug:
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #204 on: June 23, 2009, 08:45:25 PM »

...and dogs can't tie knots.

Seriously, THIS is a movie where you're going to start picking apart plausibility?
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #205 on: June 23, 2009, 11:06:58 PM »

I'm just saying, given the height and speed of his fall, death is pretty strongly implied.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #206 on: September 13, 2009, 09:16:06 PM »

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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #207 on: October 07, 2009, 05:26:13 AM »

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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #208 on: October 07, 2009, 09:26:48 AM »

I like boys now!

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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #209 on: October 07, 2009, 09:40:43 AM »

That's all kinds of awesome.

Seeing as how 90% of all the Disney fanart I've ever seen was drawn by women, this is magnificently appropriate.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #210 on: October 07, 2009, 09:42:03 AM »

Shang has a look that's all, "Let's get down to business!"
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #211 on: October 07, 2009, 09:50:11 AM »

i bet parish is pretty embarassed that that picture of him leaked out
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #212 on: October 07, 2009, 10:16:08 AM »

step 1. draw muscular male torso

step 2. attach bracelets and/or belts randomly

step 3. trace a disney character's face
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #213 on: October 07, 2009, 10:33:20 AM »

I see no profit in this process.

THAT MEANS IT'S ART! :perfect:
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #214 on: October 07, 2009, 12:32:10 PM »

step 1. draw muscular male torso

step 2. attach bracelets and/or belts randomly

step 3. trace a disney character's face
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #215 on: October 07, 2009, 01:40:11 PM »

okay i'd go queer for any man who smoked two cigars at once AND had a hook for a hand, i admit it
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #216 on: October 07, 2009, 01:44:14 PM »

I would probably back a Disney Princes movement akin to the Princesses one.

In fact, KH3 should be you and the Princesses saving the Princes. Yes.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #217 on: October 07, 2009, 03:05:04 PM »

I would probably back a Disney Princes movement akin to the Princesses one.

In fact, KH3 should be you and the Princesses saving the Princes. Yes.

Oh my god I want this game.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #218 on: October 07, 2009, 07:21:40 PM »

I am okay with this.
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Re: The Magically Flawed World of Disney
« Reply #219 on: October 10, 2009, 11:52:20 PM »

Saw Toy Story 1 and 2 in 3D.

Thoughts:

The original: my God, this is a great damn movie.  It still holds up.  It's as important a movie in animation history as Snow White, and it's far more than its technical achievements; it was made by people who legitimately gave a fuck about what they were doing.

The animation still looks solid 14 years later (except the humans -- more on them in a bit).  There's some legitimately neat stuff with the lighting, particularly in the sequence in Sid's house when it's raining outside.  The toys' movements are gorgeous too; the Army Men and Sid's misfit toys really stand out.

The story's pure genre, but perfectly executed, the cast does its job well, and every single toy just oozes charm and personality.  This is a movie made by people who love animation and who understand animation, and who did something that had never been done before.

And let's talk script.  I didn't realize Joss Whedon co-wrote it, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense; I can pretty much guarantee "You are a sad, strange little man" is one of his.  (And really, Claire Saunders is pretty much going through the same identity crisis in Dollhouse that Buzz Lightyear went through in Toy Story.)

And the continuity.  I love the little bits that become important later -- Sid taking a magnifying glass to Woody, and leaving a match in his pocket.  And touches like the string of Christmas lights falling to the ground so you don't ask "Why didn't Woody just use them to climb down?"

This is the best use of 3D I've ever seen in a movie, and it just so happens to be in a movie that wasn't actually designed for it.  I think that's for a couple of reasons.  One is that the sense of scale is so vital to the mood of the movie; the other is that there are scenes where every corner is jam-packed with tiny details that are now much more eye-catching.

All in all: not a flawless movie, but there's no such thing.  It's a damn fine movie, and it's just as good from a 27-year-old's perspective as a 12-year-old's.

On to the sequel:

I'd never seen it in its entirety before tonight; I caught the last half hour on the Disney Channel once.

The technical improvements are clear from the get-go.  The textures are more detailed, everywhere from the rugs to Woody's pants to Slinky Dog's ears.  And the fur on Andy's dog looks a whole lot better than on Sid's dog in the first movie.  (And Jesus Christ, where did Andy get an SNES that can produce graphics like those?)

And the humans...well, most of them still aren't very good, but they're a whole lot more detailed than in the first movie.  Humans are hard to do, and in both movies on the whole they come out looking much more plastic than the toys.  I'd say there are two major exceptions: Sid's little sister is really the only expressive human in the first movie, and Wayne Knight's character in the sequel is just fantastic.  (And the cleaner isn't too bad either, I guess.  But all the other humans look like Sims.)

It's interesting watching the technological advances, but it's certainly evolutionary where the first movie was revolutionary.

The second movie has a weaker script but stronger themes; the idea that you grow up and things change, and the sense of love and loss, encapsulate the bittersweetness of life in a way that few children's cartoons dare (and most of the ones I can think of off the top of my head are ALSO Pixar movies).  Maybe "dare" is the wrong word -- most people making children's entertainment (and entertainment in general, but I think especially children's entertainment) just don't give a fuck.  There are so many kids' movies that are just cynical cash-ins.  And so many whose "comedy" relies on pop culture references.  The Toy Story movies have a timeless quality, and that's why they still hold up so well.  The only gag I can think of that's a reference to another movie is the Star Wars bit -- and that's a reference to a movie that is itself a timeless classic, so the joke still works 10 years later.

(Well, okay, there's a Home Improvement ref in the first movie, and I think I saw a Watchmen ref in the second, though IIRC the sign said Pyramid Travel, not Pyramid Deliveries.  But those are more Easter Eggs for eagle-eyed viewers than jokes that the movies actually rely on.)

All in all, I guess I'm not saying anything terribly original here; I'm just observing that Pixar makes pretty damn good movies, and that the reason they do is because they actually care about the quality of the product they're making.  But damn, the Toy Story movies are fun in 3D; go see them if you get a chance.  (I think they're only here for another week, then they're swapping out for Nightmare Before Christmas in 3D.  Which I would also like to see!)

Hoping Toy Story 3 comes out well -- Pixar hasn't really made a bad movie yet, and 2 did a pretty good job of creating a different tone and making itself distinct from the original.  We'll see what happens.
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