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[Bongo Bill]

Computers in animation obviously aren't going away; personally, I'm excited to see what happens when animators develop the same proficiency with computers as they did with their more traditional tools. Right now they're using computers to do what they thought they wanted to do with their hands but didn't because it was expensive.

[Brentai]

John K's bottom line seems to be "anything successful is incompetent".  Darwin in his office smiles and nods.

[Romosome]

John K's bottom line seems to be "anything successful is incompetent".  Darwin in his office smiles and nods.

That's just what he tells himself to justify stuff like The Ripping Friends and the Ren and Stimpy relaunch.

[Thad]

Well, he loved the earlier Rocky & Bullwinkle, but was less-than-pleased with the later stuff.

Yes and no.  That second post is still about early eps; the first post is just about the FIRST ep.

[Detonator]

If we're talking about cold technical precision, you may be right, but your comments on CG ruining everything by being too perfect and not human enough pretty clearly indicate that you're not.

This comment rang a bell for me, and I couldn't quite place it until I realized that this is how I feel about The Simpsons.  There are many reasons the show went downhill, but the switch to computer animation over the hand-drawn cels makes the show visually displeasing to me.  It's hard to pinpoint an exact reason why, but "not human enough" is pretty close.

[Thad]

...So wait.  I'm probably a little in making this connection, but...

...the protege of Ralph motherfucking Rotoscoping King Bakshi spends all his time whining about animation that mimics human proportions and movements?

[Mongrel]

Anything involving Ralphie-boy is automatically comedic, just by sheer association.

[Büge]

John Kricfalusi studied under Ralph Bakshi?

[Kazz]

john k can bitch when he learns to write comedy.

thad: a lot of cartoons on CN are hilarious right now.  (sprinkled among them is Canadian Flash-animated tripe.)

[Büge]

There's no way you're referring to 6teen.

[Cthulhu-chan]

If you are somehow referring to 6teen as good, I'd have to ask what you were smoking.

[Kazz]

i'm also referring to Total Drama Island.

reality show parody is its own fucking genre now and it is stupid as hell.

[Brentai]

...So wait.  I'm probably a little in making this connection, but...

...the protege of Ralph motherfucking Rotoscoping King Bakshi spends all his time whining about animation that mimics human proportions and movements?

Bakshi was pretty self-effacing (though oddly enough out of hubris rather than modesty).  John K probably learned to hate everything that Bakshi ever did, because Bakshi did.

[Mongrel]

Maybe because it was terrible? Well, American Pop is actually 'good' but everything else... well, let's just say I dearly love Bakshi's other stuff, but not for any reason the man actually intended.

Or as one friend of mine put it long long ago: "Leave it to Ralph Bakshi to suggest that all it takes to make a cartoon woman real is one good lay."

[Thad]

John Kricfalusi studied under Ralph Bakshi?

This brings up a good point: does anyone know where I can find a torrent of Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures?

john k can bitch when he learns to write comedy.

His argument is that cartoons should not have writers, they should be driven entirely by artists.

For his particular genre, he's not wrong.  Tex Avery would have been utterly hobbled if he'd had people trying to assign structure to his work (and in fact that's why he left Termite Terrace -- I DARE you to watch The Heckling Hare and tell me it's anything but genius with an abrupt, bizarre ending).  And there's a reason every so goddamn many people, including Kricfalusi himself, have spent the last 15 years trying to duplicate the first two seasons of Ren & Stimpy.

thad: a lot of cartoons on CN are hilarious right now.  (sprinkled among them is Canadian Flash-animated tripe.)

1. Batman: The Brave and the Bold
2. ???

[Romosome]

Venture Bros.


(also I liked Superjail but wouldn't call it "hilarious")

[Thad]

I'm considering Adult Swim a separate entity from CN (as it technically is).

[Doom]

???

Chowder.

I have not seen Flapjack yet but I'm guessing it's in the same boat.

Speaking of CN Trash I can't actually watch Johnny Test without wanting to gouge my eyes out. Let's do Dexter's Lab but terribly... !

[Arc]

His argument is that cartoons should not have writers, they should be driven entirely by artists.

A writer is no artist! Merely a cog within the zionist machine!

And there's a reason every so goddamn many people, including Kricfalusi himself, have spent the last 15 years trying to duplicate the first two seasons of Ren & Stimpy.

Toy sales.

[Kazz]

Flapjack is brilliant, Foster's Home is funny, Gym Partner's a Monkey was great but isn't airing right now for whatever reason, Camp Lazlo is almost as good as Rocko was, and Chowder is amazing.

Talking almost entirely about the comedy here, the actual animation for most of those shows is pedestrian (Chowder does the most interesting things).