Topic: The Magically Flawed World of Disney (Read 32755 times)

Arc · « **Reply #120 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:08:32 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL6FYxIuJlA&feature=player_embedded

MY LIFE IS A LIIIEEE!

Niku · « **Reply #121 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:30:44 AM »

Bal · « **Reply #122 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:38:39 AM »

Looks like they started doing it after Walt Disney died. The earliest film I saw in the copier category was Robin hood, which was released in '73.

Lady Duke · « **Reply #123 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:39:01 AM »

The only set of those I actually ever noticed on my own was the dancing of Maid Marian and Robin Hood vs dancing of Duchess and Thomas O' Mally. Oh, and also the snakes, because they're basically the same snakes anyway, so how could you not pick up them doing the exact same shit.

Rosencrantz · « **Reply #124 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »

Seeing that video, I can remember noticing some of the copied stuff as a very young kid, but at the time I think I was just confused about it.

Lady Duke · « **Reply #125 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:41:31 AM »

Funny how they got away with that. Maid Marian is cooler than Snow White, so I'll allow it.

Brentai · « **Reply #126 on:** April 12, 2009, 11:48:31 AM »

I noticed it sometimes, but then I also grew up watching He-Man and its ilk. You kind of learn to accept a lot of reused animation.

Rico · « **Reply #127 on:** April 12, 2009, 12:46:56 PM »

Reused choreography.

Brentai · « **Reply #128 on:** April 12, 2009, 01:17:41 PM »

Right, so it's not even half the shit you're used to.

Rico · « **Reply #129 on:** April 12, 2009, 02:37:08 PM »

Well I sure walked into that trap!

Kayma · « **Reply #130 on:** April 12, 2009, 07:36:03 PM »

Heh, saw this on the Neeyoh Gaffe today. It's pretty blatant, but I'm more pissed about the Lion King being a ripoff of Kimba and no one giving a fuck about it.

I guess Tezuka does owe his entire style to Disney.

Thad · « **Reply #131 on:** April 12, 2009, 08:49:12 PM »

Pointing out all the ways Robin Hood recycles stuff from earlier Disney movies is kinda fish-in-a-barrel, really. The snakes, Little John's design, the scene at the end where the heroes tearfully eulogize their fallen comrade who then turns out to be okay...

Royal☭ · « **Reply #132 on:** April 12, 2009, 08:51:10 PM »

You know, I don't rag Disney too hard on that recycled stuff mostly because at the time animation was becoming really expensive and Disney hadn't had a big hit in awhile.

Which is what makes the animation recycling in Beauty and the Beast the strangest one. Though, that can be reasoned as simply their homage to the one of the studio's most gorgeous works.

Bal · « **Reply #133 on:** April 13, 2009, 03:45:03 AM »

Yeah, I don't begrudge them that scene at all. Remember, that scene was a big deal at the time because it was their first major application of digital technique in one of their features. The floor and it's reflecting of the characters was all done digitally, so I imagine they used that dance because they could plug in the old version as a placeholder while they got the floor right.

Shinra · « **Reply #134 on:** April 13, 2009, 03:54:03 AM »

Quote from: Bal on April 13, 2009, 03:45:03 AM

Yeah, I don't begrudge them that scene at all. Remember, that scene was a big deal at the time because it was their first major application of digital technique in one of their features. The floor and it's reflecting of the characters was all done digitally, so I imagine they used that dance because they could plug in the old version as a placeholder while they got the floor right.

I'm pretty sure I saw a 'making of' back when Beauty and the Beast was running in theaters that explained the reuse was intentional. This could be my mind playing tricks on me, or just my memory failing as that was more than ten years ago.

Büge · « **Reply #135 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:28:36 AM »

Yeesh. I remember seeing all the recycled animations when I was a kid. Heck, they even reused animation within The Jungle Book in other scenes of The Jungle Book. I seem to recall that after Walt got his ticket punched (which occured during the production of the Jungle Book, coincidentally enough) and up to right before The Black Cauldron, the company tried to make movies "the way Walt would have wanted." This mandate may or may not have included tracing films that Walt had a hand in.

I think it's far more telling when I see the discrepancy between the smoothness of animation between Snow White and Robin Hood. I think it's because they started cuing animation on twos rather than ones.

Quote from: Rico on April 12, 2009, 02:37:08 PM

Well I sure walked into that trap!

:That's what he said!

Disposable Ninja · « **Reply #136 on:** April 13, 2009, 09:13:02 AM »

Quote from: Büge on April 13, 2009, 08:28:36 AM

That's what I said!

Arc · « **Reply #137 on:** April 13, 2009, 10:44:52 AM »

Quote from: Büge on April 13, 2009, 08:28:36 AM

cuing animation on twos rather than ones.

McDohl · « **Reply #138 on:** April 13, 2009, 01:19:30 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glDGAo9SIqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVjO5pPoNvI

"We are one, Snake!"

EDIT: I wonder, for the Kingdom Hearts 2 thing, did they just ape the original recordings from the movie wholesale, or did they hire a James Earl Jones soundalike to do the monologue?

EDIT EDIT: Oh, god, that still for the Lion King 2 video is thirty-four flavors of GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

Büge · « **Reply #139 on:** April 13, 2009, 01:51:04 PM »

Quote from: Arc on April 13, 2009, 10:44:52 AM

Quote from: Büge on April 13, 2009, 08:28:36 AM
cuing animation on twos rather than ones.

Film goes at 24 FPS, right? Snow White appears to make use of all 24 frames. Robin Hood on the other hand, looks like it goes at 12 FPS. So they cue the animation on two frames rather than one.

You can actually see this in action if you watch Titan A.E. Note how smooth the CG elements move in contrast to the hand-drawn pieces.

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