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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #140 on: November 14, 2008, 05:11:14 PM »

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #141 on: November 14, 2008, 05:27:15 PM »

Point taken.

I was strictly referring to the animated versions but yeah, I forgot that the Watchmen crew was originally meant to be the JLA
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #142 on: November 14, 2008, 06:40:10 PM »

Actually they were originally meant to be the Charleston Comics characters DC had just acquired.

Captain Atom (Dr. Manhattan)
Blue Beetle (The Owl)
Black Canary (Silk Spectre)
The Question (Rorschach)

and I totally forget who The Comedian or anyone else was supposed to be.

It's confusing because Rorschach was originally going to be The Question, but then later on modern versions of The Question were heavily influenced by Rorschach because Watchmen was such an amazing work.  It's kind of back-and-forth.

Martian Manhunter picking up a bit of Dr Manhattan sounds totally right though.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #143 on: November 14, 2008, 07:43:08 PM »

You got Rorschach and the Question backwards. The Comedian was based on Peacemaker, who is now a supporting character in the new Blue Beetle series. Ozymandias was based on Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #144 on: November 14, 2008, 07:49:43 PM »

Fixed.  Told you it was confusing.

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The original [team] we called the Minutemen, as per the graphic novel. We never exactly say whether or not in the more modern version we call them the Watchmen/Crimebusters. We loosely called them Watchmen as more of a the symbolic name, more than anything else.

http://io9.com/5087386/who-names-the-watchmen

Hard to follow but it sounds like the (probably few) times it's used, "Watchmen" is probably used by others and not the group itself.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #145 on: November 14, 2008, 08:17:11 PM »

Well, the only references in the comic is the graffiti on the walls.  And the explanation given is because of a Department of Defense memo cited at the very end.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #146 on: November 14, 2008, 08:23:09 PM »

Black Canary isn't a Charlton character, but yeah, Silk Spectre's partially based on her.

Rorschach's also based on Mr. A, though he and the Question are pretty similar characters.  According to something Alan Moore says in In Search of Steve Ditko, Ditko once described Rorschach as "like Mr. A, except he's insane."

It also bears noting that, while most of the characters in the book owe something to Ditko, Rorschach in particular is Moore's take on him.  I think that's why he turns out to be such a deep character when he could so easily have been the one-dimensional asshole that he appears in the first couple of issues -- Moore doesn't agree with Ditko's politics, but he respects him greatly as a man, and that comes through in his work.  In the end, there's something admirable about Rorschach as the only character who's willing to die rather than compromise his integrity.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #147 on: November 14, 2008, 09:50:00 PM »

I think what Moore wanted to show was that the only way to be completely pure to your ideals, as it were, is to be a total sociopath. Every day all of us make a dozen small concessions on our personal beliefs to keep the world freely spinning. Rors doesn't: all he had to do was to play along until he reached civilization, but he's unwilling to even do that.

Or maybe, by dying, he's accepting defeat. His way didn't work, and he's not going to change, so the world can go without him.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #148 on: November 14, 2008, 11:04:04 PM »

I think what Moore wanted to show was that the only way to be completely pure to your ideals, as it were, is to be a total sociopath. Every day all of us make a dozen small concessions on our personal beliefs to keep the world freely spinning. Rors doesn't: all he had to do was to play along until he reached civilization, but he's unwilling to even do that.

I think "sociopath" is a much stronger word than Moore would use.  Rorschach is a clearly flawed but ultimately sympathetic character, and again, an homage to Ditko.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2008, 11:08:10 PM »

But he's a textbook definition of a sociopath.  He hates society to a homicidal degree and acts on it.  It's even the quote they picked for the trailer.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2008, 11:14:17 PM »

Even the mass murderer is sympathetic in Watchmen. That's not the point.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #151 on: November 14, 2008, 11:16:19 PM »

Also, "Like Mr. A, but insane" is a great line because Mr. A comes across to the modern reader as pretty fucking insane.

There's no shades of gray...only black and white and me pushing people off rooftops!
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #152 on: November 14, 2008, 11:33:29 PM »

Rorshach calls themselves "The Watchmen" in it.

His voice is far too aggressive. Moore's interpretation is equally gravelly, but collected.

@ 4:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKebCtCTbCA
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #153 on: November 15, 2008, 12:20:32 AM »

Also, "Like Mr. A, but insane" is a great line because Mr. A comes across to the modern reader as pretty fucking insane.

...You're explaining the joke.

Rorshach calls themselves "The Watchmen" in it.

My recollection is that the word "Watchmen" was used at least three times in the trailer.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #154 on: November 23, 2008, 06:54:41 PM »

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #155 on: November 25, 2008, 10:32:01 AM »

Hi.  As someone incredibly late to the bus, I stayed up until 1am finishing the comic, reading it for the first time.  I had wondered why up until the middle of this year, why I had never even heard of the series.  Turns out by 1986, I had already left for Okinawa.  I was probably too young to enjoy it.  But now, having read it, this is excellent stuff.

The wiki article says at one point David Hayter was going to direct?  Tactical Rorshach Action?

Anyway, IT WAS AWESOME.  Kthx, want movie and games now.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #156 on: November 25, 2008, 10:33:12 AM »

Close, David Hayter did write the screenplay, though.  He also wrote X-Men 2 and The Scorpion King.

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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #157 on: November 27, 2008, 06:33:50 AM »



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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #158 on: November 27, 2008, 07:39:12 PM »

Scorpion King was awesome, you shut your emoticon hole
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #159 on: November 27, 2008, 08:23:13 PM »

He was facepalming this it didn't show for some reason, though.
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